Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Philip Williamson]

"Bart Handle" cracked me up. New official name. 
Bill, your bike looks great. That vintage blue bottle color and rocket 
headbadge are a great combination. Put a Geiger counter on it, it's hot! 

Philip
biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Man, that Roscoe McCarthy is a cool bike like no other. The shade of blue 
is spot-on. The head badge iconically retro. The lower horz tube, which 
looked weird on the test mule olive color, looks totally natural in the 
blue. I've been hauling bikes of all types up to my (thankfully only) 
second floor condo. The lower horz tube is a no brainer, as in "why did no 
one think of this before?". Well, maybe someone did, but if the cycling 
community didn't know about it, the point is moot. 

As for the fender issue with horz dropouts (ala my old Bstone and Trek, but 
the Trek has adjuster screws), I co-opted someone's idea on iBob from 8-10 
years ago for rear fender fit issues. To wit, long carriage bolt through 
chain stay, with spring mounted between chain stay and fender - adjust 
nut/bolt until fender is equi-distant from tire. I'm sure you're familiar 
with that type setup as a few iBob/RBW members have used a similar setup - 
otherwise I wouldn't have a clue! 

When I need to remove the rear wheel on the Bridgestone, which has SKS 
fenders, I just push it forward and the fender moves forward via spring 
just enough that I can drop the wheel out "gracefully". 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Haha Rod, I was thinking about writing a short treatise in defense of the 
> long dropouts.  I think a wheel, when installed, should have a 'right' 
> position.  That's the main reason I like vertical dropouts.  The weight of 
> the bike on the axle guarantees the rear wheel registers against the 
> dropout in exactly the right, repeatable position.  With horizontals, you 
> pull it back until something stops it, or you decide to position it 
> manually before you lock it into place.  With adjustable horizontals you 
> adjust the stops to the desired position and then wheel installation is 
> unambiguous.  With non-adjustible horizontals like this you get nothing 
> except pull it all the way back, which is what I've done.  It maximizes the 
> long chainstay effect and I think there it no downside to long chainstays.  
>
> But.all the way back in horizontals requires you to make an unsightly 
> large gap at the front of the rear fender to allow you to get the wheel 
> out.  It's ugly, but I'll get over it:
>
> BIG gap 
>
> The key is to be casually deliberate about it.  I meant to do that.  
>
> In my first few rides on the bike, I'm astonished how silent my drivetrain 
> has turned out.  When I shift, I can't even hear it shift.  It's 
> incredible.  I'm now starting to suspect that I'm getting benefits from 
> having the extremely large chain wrap having the axle way behind the rear 
> der.  It starts to look like the massive chain wrap you see on Cyclo and 
> Nivex rear ends:
>
> Nivex Example 
>
> By wrapping the chain 180 degrees around the cogset, there is no chain 
> tension at the links that are actually shifting.  With some of these 1x 
> setups, the chain wrap is closer to 90 degrees.  So, my working strategy is 
> to slam the wheel all the way back and call it a modern version of an old 
> french rear der setup.  In other words:  APPROVE.  The fender issue is 
> something I can defend.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:41:21 AM UTC-8, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> It's beautiful. Any further thoughts about the drop-outs, now that you've 
>> laid hands on them?
>>
>> rod
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

[ctifusion]

Deacon,

Thanks for both posts. Sitting at home on a cold day reading about riding when 
I should have just suited up and went out!

This post inspires me to write up a similar retrospective on my Quickbeam. I've 
had mine for 10 years and it is the most beautiful, fun, and inspiring bike 
I've ever owned. Always makes me happy. This year I put those Barlow Pass tires 
on  it and was transformed again by the ride. 

I hate to admit after all the interesting gear discussion that, being in 
Indianapolis, I just run mine single speed. Can't tell you the ratio, just a 
little harder than it should be so I can cruise the flats here.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[ctifusion]

A1 Cyclery in Indianapolis had a tall Black one this fall, not sure if it's 
still there. Beautiful and so classy. I tried to get my buddy to buy the big 
Clem they had in stock after his first bike got stolen after his first year 
riding. He wasn't ready to spend the $ and we got lucky and found a tall 
late-80s GT mountain bike on Craigslist. With some help from A1 we built it up 
in budget Riv style. He'll be back for a Riv in a couple years. I could see it 
in his eyes!

Brynnar

 

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Ely Ruth Rodriguez]

I have a pair of grey waxed with brown leather, demo panniers for sale $200 
plus shipping.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Ely Ruth Rodriguez]

I made a pair of waxed canvas panniers today. Doing another set next week.




On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Thumbs up! 

Bill in Roswell, GA

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:02:46 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Chris commented on how I had plenty of nice bits to pull together a build 
>
> That's kind of my secret. Buy stuff when great deals present themselves. 
>  Buy stuff when something irresistibly cool presents itself. Stock up on 
> mundane consumables.  That way, whenever a wheelset shakes itself free, I'm 
> just a frameset away from new bike day. On new bike day, the whole bike 
> "cost" the price of a frameset.  All that internal inventory was "free". 

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[RBW] Re: Mounting a mountain bike shifter to drop handlebars

['Mike Schiller' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Paul Comp makes a bracket for that purpose.  
https://paulcomp.com/shop/components/sram-shifter-adaptor/

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting 
system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way 
any road.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>
> I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked 
> up from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel 
> pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to 
> my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution 
> and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look 
> right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock 
> the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took 
> when he offered them up last year: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I 
>> fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, 
>> even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of 
>> Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the 
>> toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full 
>> Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in 
>> life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. 
>> What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the 
>> time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.
>>
>> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly 
>> abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and 
>> bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category 
>> (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field 
>> and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time 
>> will tell!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if 
>>> you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real 
>>> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
>>> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
>>> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, 
>>> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
>>> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>>>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted 
>>> to put in another good word for these bags!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
 relates to: 
 — ease of access 
 — weatherproof 
 — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
 — other issues that stand out? 

 After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
 there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
 to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
 Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof 
 enough 
 and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
 and that just on the MUPS. 

 Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
 Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
 when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
 preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
 bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 

 Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
 experience with them? 

 With abandon, 
 Patrick 

 www.OurHolyConception.org 
 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked up
from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel
pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to
my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution
and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look
right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock
the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took
when he offered them up last year:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I
> fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse,
> even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of
> Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the
> toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full
> Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in
> life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin.
> What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the
> time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.
>
> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly
> abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and
> bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category
> (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field
> and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time
> will tell!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if
>> you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real
>> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know
>> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be
>> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water,
>> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid:
>> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted
>> to put in another good word for these bags!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it
>>> relates to:
>>> — ease of access
>>> — weatherproof
>>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
>>> — other issues that stand out?
>>>
>>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play
>>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored
>>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s
>>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough
>>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush
>>> and that just on the MUPS.
>>>
>>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new
>>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly,
>>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design,
>>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go
>>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.
>>>
>>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your
>>> experience with them?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Surlyprof]

Bill,

I was wondering about those BonJonPass tires.  How do you like them in 
comparison to Barlow Pass?  They came out after I bought my Barlow Pass tires 
(on your recommendation) so I've since been curious.

McCarthy looks fantastic.  Love the bart handle.

John

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I 
fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, 
even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of 
Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the 
toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full 
Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in 
life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. 
What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the 
time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.

I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly 
abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and 
bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category 
(as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field 
and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time 
will tell!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if 
> you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real 
> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, 
> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted 
> to put in another good word for these bags!
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
>> relates to: 
>> — ease of access 
>> — weatherproof 
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
>> — other issues that stand out? 
>>
>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
>> and that just on the MUPS. 
>>
>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>>
>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
>> experience with them? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if 
you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real 
pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, 
though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
https://vimeo.com/123971564
 I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted to 
put in another good word for these bags!


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bought a Riv

[Bill Lindsay]

Interesting!  It seemed too coincidental otherwise.  Thanks for posting the 
sequel!

Bill

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Sequel of story was that I emailed Mark yesterday asking if those lugs on 
> the holiday special custom  were going to be the lugs on my mixte. He 
> replied this morning saying that, yes, that was my bike.. but .they hadn't 
> made the headtube long enough. I appreciate that they didn't want to 
> compromise on Grant's design, but it is  too bad for them and I hope this 
> lovely bike will be just right for someone else
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 9:28:07 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Sequel of the story 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 1:43:23 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Ryan said he ordered a custom Riv mixte 11+ months ago and is still 
>>> waiting for it
>>>
>>> Do you have any connection to the custom mixte on the Web Specials page?
>>>
>>> Custom Mixte 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Just curious.  That thing is gorgeous, but it makes me a little sick to 
>>> my stomach for Riv and for Mark Nobillette and for the customer that a 
>>> detail was forgotten that required another frameset to be built.  Damn this 
>>> ex-retail guilt!  I hate it when a LOONG transaction like that hits a 
>>> speedbump.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddle bags - Nigel Smythe x2, Ostrich + Carradice Bagman support

[Joe Bernard]

Whatever happened to Nigel Smythe, anyways? They had that momentary splash with 
RBW, then seem to have disappeared. 

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Deacon Patrick]

Good thing Christmas begins on Christmas day and goes through Epiphany, 
January 6th! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:23:32 PM UTC-7, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> I wish! They are still waiting for the Choko handlebar to arrive and it 
> should be shipped out soon afterward. 
>

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Bill Lindsay]

"Les The Enabler" should have a battle-royale versus "Vlad The Impaler"

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 3:23:32 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> I wish! They are still waiting for the Choko handlebar to arrive and it 
> should be shipped out soon afterward. With an estimated 5 day shipping time 
> from LA to Central Florida, I'm not expecting it until next week. In the 
> meantime, I've been the https://www.traillink.com/ site looking for 
> trails to take the bike on. I'm hoping to get that enabler Les to meet up 
> with me on his Riv!  :)
>
> Dan
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:15:37 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> If it gets there before Christmas, you'll know you've been good this 
>> year.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 2:16:38 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>>
>>> Well I'm that guy that ordered the frame. To be quite exact, I went 
>>> ahead and had it built out for me and am waiting for them to ship it out. 
>>> I'll make sure to post a pic once it arrives but I don't expect it will 
>>> arrive til next week as I'm in Central Florida. I can't wait!!
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Les Lammers wrote:
>>>
 A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's 
 been thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
 Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
 Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
 dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube 
 Sam 
 frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
 planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Bill Lindsay]

That's perfecto.  I like keeping the internal inventory for the next 
opportunity, anyway.  

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 3:38:51 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Thanks for the offer, Bill, but I'm going to use Riv Gift Certificate my 
> daughter got me for Christmas. That's how this project got started, she 
> bought me the certificate and I started thinking, "What shall I get?" :-)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddle bags - Nigel Smythe x2, Ostrich + Carradice Bagman support

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Sorry. I've taken this off group now. My apologies.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:59:00 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I'll take the tweed please. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, Steve wrote:
>>
>> For sale:
>>
>> 1 x Nigel Smythe/Rivendell saddle bag in green tweed - used but in 
>> excellent condition -$110/shipped
>>
>> 1 x Nigel Smythe/Rivendell saddle bag in tan canvas - new, but missing 
>> one of the side leather "flaps" for securing the side pouch flap - 
>> $110/shipped
>>
>> 1 x Ostrich saddle bag - new with used but in excellent condition 
>> Carradice Bagman support - $150/shipped
>>
>> Buy all three bags for $325/shipped
>>
>> Photos here:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/60750099@N02/suWtj9
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddle bags - Nigel Smythe x2, Ostrich + Carradice Bagman support

[Deacon Patrick]

Steve,

I'll take the tweed please. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, Steve wrote:
>
> For sale:
>
> 1 x Nigel Smythe/Rivendell saddle bag in green tweed - used but in 
> excellent condition -$110/shipped
>
> 1 x Nigel Smythe/Rivendell saddle bag in tan canvas - new, but missing one 
> of the side leather "flaps" for securing the side pouch flap - $110/shipped
>
> 1 x Ostrich saddle bag - new with used but in excellent condition 
> Carradice Bagman support - $150/shipped
>
> Buy all three bags for $325/shipped
>
> Photos here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/60750099@N02/suWtj9
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Sizing Help

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Igor, Mitch made a beautiful 11cm stem for the MAP.

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks for the offer, Bill, but I'm going to use Riv Gift Certificate my 
daughter got me for Christmas. That's how this project got started, she bought 
me the certificate and I started thinking, "What shall I get?" :-)

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Daniel Betancourt]

I wish! They are still waiting for the Choko handlebar to arrive and it 
should be shipped out soon afterward. With an estimated 5 day shipping time 
from LA to Central Florida, I'm not expecting it until next week. In the 
meantime, I've been the https://www.traillink.com/ site looking for trails 
to take the bike on. I'm hoping to get that enabler Les to meet up with me 
on his Riv!  :)

Dan

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:15:37 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> If it gets there before Christmas, you'll know you've been good this 
> year.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 2:16:38 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> Well I'm that guy that ordered the frame. To be quite exact, I went ahead 
>> and had it built out for me and am waiting for them to ship it out. I'll 
>> make sure to post a pic once it arrives but I don't expect it will arrive 
>> til next week as I'm in Central Florida. I can't wait!!
>>
>> Dan
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>>> A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's 
>>> been thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
>>> Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
>>> Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
>>> dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
>>> frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
>>> planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Daniel Betancourt]

A little late on my reply, but nice looking bike Bill! I looked at several 
Rosco frames before settling on the Sam Hillborne and if I didn't go with 
the Sam I would most likely have gone with a Rosco.

Dan

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 6:37:22 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NEW BIKE DAY!

[Daniel Betancourt]

Kellie,

Nice looking bike. Those are the bars I have going on my Sam. Congrats!

Dan

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 5:59:52 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> Two months in the queue at Waterford; just finished the build.
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to crash by yourself

[Ryan Fleming]

kind of neat that it's a Canadian companyassumed it was USA...thanks 
for the info

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 3:31:46 PM UTC-6, ericf3 wrote:
>
> Nice the healing is coming along and the bike is back...they are based in 
> Calgary, just west of me  
>
> Eric Floden
> New Edinburgh Ont
>
>
> http://www.cyclestoussaint.com/pages/about-us
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Rod Holland]

Thank, Bill. That's helpful.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/20/2016 01:42 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it relates to:
— ease of access
— weatherproof
— bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
— other issues that stand out?

After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play there is 
with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored to the fabric 
top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s Back-a-Bike bags). 
But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough and the wooden chord 
closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush and that just on the MUPS.

Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 61 
look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I talked it 
over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, preferring ease of 
access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go bashing through brush the 
same way I do. Grin.

Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your experience 
with them?



Gilles Berthoud, Loyal & Waxwing all do traditional "Sologne style" 
canvas & leather panniers.


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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks guys! Great to see so many options are still out there. I was 
concerned when Swift and Carsick stopped waxed canvas. I'm betting a canvas 
canoe company has a grasp of the kind of abuse (and a forever warrantee to 
boot) I put these though vs a more randonneuring mindset, which is what the 
other bags look like.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:42:17 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to crash by yourself

[Eric Floden]

Nice the healing is coming along and the bike is back...they are based in
Calgary, just west of me

Eric Floden
New Edinburgh Ont


http://www.cyclestoussaint.com/pages/about-us

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[RBW] Re: How to crash by yourself

[Ian A]

Fantastic news! Make sure to keep up with the PT exercises for the neck, you 
want to make sure no chronic complaint sets in. 

Someone or something was looking out for you that day - barbed wire and 
brambles are not things to mess with. 

IanA. 

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[RBW] Re: How to crash by yourself

[Ryan Fleming]

Oh man...that's great that you got your bike back.Thank goodness there are 
still a lot of good hearts in the world. I hoped someone would do this for 
you. I'm also glad you are healing well!

I thought Toussaint was US?

Anyway it is good to see the story had a happy ending...

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:54:14 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
>
> I am healing up nicely - no scars from the brambles.  The neck is still 
> sore and crackly, but i have most of my range of motion back.  Still doing 
> the daily PT stretches - probably for a few more weeks.  
>
>
> On the bike front, things are great!  I went and picked it up yesterday, 
> in fact.  On Saturday, I received a call by a woman saying "I have your 
> bike".  I took down her number and address and went up yesterday to get it. 
>  I talked with her brother, who had evidently "found it laying on the side 
> of the road".  He said that he thought someone had stolen it and ditched 
> it.  When he got home, he noticed some blood on the helmet and bike, and 
> said he called the hospital to see if anyone had come in from a bike crash. 
>  No reports, so he put it in the back shed.  This last weekend, my "drew's 
> list" ad in the lost and found paid off, as his sister noticed it there and 
> asked her brother about that white bike he had found.  They had the helmet, 
> too - good as I wanted to see what it looked like, and it looks like it 
> took a good bit of impact from what I'm betting was barbed wire fence, or a 
> viciously strong blackberry branch.  The bike also still had my water 
> bottle on it:)
>
> The bike is in good shape - a bit rusty from being outside (chain and 
> bolts, only), and it looks like he tried to take the valve stem off the 
> back, but it's a tubeless setup, and he couldn't get the lock ring off the 
> stem (scarred up the stem with a pliers a bit).  I have a feeling that if 
> he would have been able to pump up the back wheel, I may not have gotten 
> the bike back.  Tubeless saves the day??
>
> I'm really happy to get the bike back, as it has some nice parts on it 
> (Son Deluxe, Berthoud fenders, Nitto bars, stem, seatpost, Selle Anatomica 
> saddle, my beloved Suntour XC Pro FD and XT RD, and of course the amazing 
> Rene Herse crankset).  The added bonus is I had purchased a replacement 
> Toussaint in the new rev from the boys in Canada for a reduced price!  I 
> just told them about the return of the original, but they said they are 
> happy I'm ok with 2 frames (I am!), so it's still on the way.  I may make 
> that into the town porter/commuter, a la Bill's Rosco - it's about the same 
> color, and I have plenty of parts in the bin.  Always wanted a low-trail 
> porteur town bike.  Now i just need a 650B wheelset.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Brian Hanson
>
> Seattle, WA
>
> www.stonehog.com
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:51:15 AM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Wondering how the healing is going (have you been looking after the 
>> cuts?) and if your bike was recovered by you?  
>>
>> IanA/Canada
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 1:59:54 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an off-road excursion into the ditch Friday night and spent a few 
>>> hours in the ER getting my neck checked out.  All ok, but will be sore for 
>>> a week or two.  Bike left in the ditch was taken before I was able to 
>>> return - thank goodness it wasn't my Homer or Hunqa.  Small price to pay 
>>> for a bit of bad judgement.  
>>>
>>> Wrote it up in my blog below, but to save a click: 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[David Banzer]

I stand corrected - the Frost River bags are waxed canvas.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:56:48 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> For weatherproofing, the rolltop closure is probably your best bet if 
> you're aiming to keep water/elements out. 
> I don't think there's production panniers in waxed canvas right now. 
> Ironweed makes canvas bags, but not waxed. You could wax them yourself of 
> course!
> IMO, Swift makes the best designed panniers, but alas they don't use waxed 
> canvas anymore.
> I've toyed around with pannier ideas, making a pair for myself and opting 
> not to go with a rolltop and deciding to use waterproof bags inside for 
> items that absolutely can't get wet.
> Here's a pair I made for a Tubus Ergo front rack: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BI3CcDVjlVl/?taken-by=treetopdesigns
> I ended up using the Riv HAR trick and made a sleeve that slips into the 
> rack - the bags are attached with 2 leather straps each and no stiffeners 
> and the attachment is solid.
>
> Your best bet is custom and Ely of Ruthworks fame would make some awesome 
> panniers.
>
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:42:17 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
>> relates to: 
>> — ease of access 
>> — weatherproof 
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
>> — other issues that stand out? 
>>
>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
>> and that just on the MUPS. 
>>
>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>>
>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
>> experience with them? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Anton Tutter]

David Cain in Vermont (same state that brings us Ibex and Darn Tough Socks) 
creates beautiful functional canvas panniers through his one-man operation, 
Waxwing Bag Co. He's a randonneur and all around bikey person, and I'm 
dying to have him make me a bag sometime soon.

http://www.waxwingbagco.com/

Anton
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On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How to crash by yourself

[Ron Mc]

thanks for the update !!

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:54:14 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
>
> I am healing up nicely - no scars from the brambles.  The neck is still 
> sore and crackly, but i have most of my range of motion back.  Still doing 
> the daily PT stretches - probably for a few more weeks.  
>
>
> On the bike front, things are great!  I went and picked it up yesterday, 
> in fact.  On Saturday, I received a call by a woman saying "I have your 
> bike".  I took down her number and address and went up yesterday to get it. 
>  I talked with her brother, who had evidently "found it laying on the side 
> of the road".  He said that he thought someone had stolen it and ditched 
> it.  When he got home, he noticed some blood on the helmet and bike, and 
> said he called the hospital to see if anyone had come in from a bike crash. 
>  No reports, so he put it in the back shed.  This last weekend, my "drew's 
> list" ad in the lost and found paid off, as his sister noticed it there and 
> asked her brother about that white bike he had found.  They had the helmet, 
> too - good as I wanted to see what it looked like, and it looks like it 
> took a good bit of impact from what I'm betting was barbed wire fence, or a 
> viciously strong blackberry branch.  The bike also still had my water 
> bottle on it:)
>
> The bike is in good shape - a bit rusty from being outside (chain and 
> bolts, only), and it looks like he tried to take the valve stem off the 
> back, but it's a tubeless setup, and he couldn't get the lock ring off the 
> stem (scarred up the stem with a pliers a bit).  I have a feeling that if 
> he would have been able to pump up the back wheel, I may not have gotten 
> the bike back.  Tubeless saves the day??
>
> I'm really happy to get the bike back, as it has some nice parts on it 
> (Son Deluxe, Berthoud fenders, Nitto bars, stem, seatpost, Selle Anatomica 
> saddle, my beloved Suntour XC Pro FD and XT RD, and of course the amazing 
> Rene Herse crankset).  The added bonus is I had purchased a replacement 
> Toussaint in the new rev from the boys in Canada for a reduced price!  I 
> just told them about the return of the original, but they said they are 
> happy I'm ok with 2 frames (I am!), so it's still on the way.  I may make 
> that into the town porter/commuter, a la Bill's Rosco - it's about the same 
> color, and I have plenty of parts in the bin.  Always wanted a low-trail 
> porteur town bike.  Now i just need a 650B wheelset.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Brian Hanson
>
> Seattle, WA
>
> www.stonehog.com
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:51:15 AM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Wondering how the healing is going (have you been looking after the 
>> cuts?) and if your bike was recovered by you?  
>>
>> IanA/Canada
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 1:59:54 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an off-road excursion into the ditch Friday night and spent a few 
>>> hours in the ER getting my neck checked out.  All ok, but will be sore for 
>>> a week or two.  Bike left in the ditch was taken before I was able to 
>>> return - thank goodness it wasn't my Homer or Hunqa.  Small price to pay 
>>> for a bit of bad judgement.  
>>>
>>> Wrote it up in my blog below, but to save a click: 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[David Banzer]

For weatherproofing, the rolltop closure is probably your best bet if 
you're aiming to keep water/elements out. 
I don't think there's production panniers in waxed canvas right now. 
Ironweed makes canvas bags, but not waxed. You could wax them yourself of 
course!
IMO, Swift makes the best designed panniers, but alas they don't use waxed 
canvas anymore.
I've toyed around with pannier ideas, making a pair for myself and opting 
not to go with a rolltop and deciding to use waterproof bags inside for 
items that absolutely can't get wet.
Here's a pair I made for a Tubus Ergo front rack: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BI3CcDVjlVl/?taken-by=treetopdesigns
I ended up using the Riv HAR trick and made a sleeve that slips into the 
rack - the bags are attached with 2 leather straps each and no stiffeners 
and the attachment is solid.

Your best bet is custom and Ely of Ruthworks fame would make some awesome 
panniers.

David
River Grove, IL


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:42:17 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Shawn Granton]

North St is GREAT, and I have/had several pairs of panniers of theirs over
the years. However, they don't do canvas, and their look is a bit more on
the modern side.
-Shawn

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On Dec 20, 2016 12:28 PM, "Jack Barnes"  wrote:

> North St bags are pretty sharp, made here in Portland.
> http://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers
>
> No experience with these myself, but my office mate rides with a pair of
> them every day, and they are holding up well. They have been helpful about
> repairs and such.
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it
>> relates to:
>> — ease of access
>> — weatherproof
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
>> — other issues that stand out?
>>
>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play
>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored
>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s
>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough
>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush
>> and that just on the MUPS.
>>
>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new
>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly,
>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design,
>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go
>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.
>>
>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your
>> experience with them?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

These are an updated 
version: https://www.frostriver.com/shop/what-s-new/highway-61-rolltop-panniers/

They do look superior.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
>
> Frost Rivers actually ARE the old Riv Baggins panniers.
>
> I think they look the best too, that's my vote.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
>> relates to:
>> — ease of access
>> — weatherproof
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
>> — other issues that stand out?
>>
>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
>> and that just on the MUPS.
>>
>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.
>>
>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
>> experience with them?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
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Re: [RBW] Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Scott Henry]

Frost Rivers actually ARE the old Riv Baggins panniers.

I think they look the best too, that's my vote.






On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it
> relates to:
> — ease of access
> — weatherproof
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
> — other issues that stand out?
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush
> and that just on the MUPS.
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design,
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your
> experience with them?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
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[RBW] FS: Saddle bags - Nigel Smythe x2, Ostrich + Carradice Bagman support

['Steve' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For sale:

1 x Nigel Smythe/Rivendell saddle bag in green tweed - used but in 
excellent condition -$110/shipped

1 x Nigel Smythe/Rivendell saddle bag in tan canvas - new, but missing one 
of the side leather "flaps" for securing the side pouch flap - $110/shipped

1 x Ostrich saddle bag - new with used but in excellent condition Carradice 
Bagman support - $150/shipped

Buy all three bags for $325/shipped

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Jack Barnes]

North St bags are pretty sharp, made here in Portland.
http://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers

No experience with these myself, but my office mate rides with a pair of 
them every day, and they are holding up well. They have been helpful about 
repairs and such.


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Haha Rod, I was thinking about writing a short treatise in defense of the 
long dropouts.  I think a wheel, when installed, should have a 'right' 
position.  That's the main reason I like vertical dropouts.  The weight of 
the bike on the axle guarantees the rear wheel registers against the 
dropout in exactly the right, repeatable position.  With horizontals, you 
pull it back until something stops it, or you decide to position it 
manually before you lock it into place.  With adjustable horizontals you 
adjust the stops to the desired position and then wheel installation is 
unambiguous.  With non-adjustible horizontals like this you get nothing 
except pull it all the way back, which is what I've done.  It maximizes the 
long chainstay effect and I think there it no downside to long chainstays.  

But.all the way back in horizontals requires you to make an unsightly 
large gap at the front of the rear fender to allow you to get the wheel 
out.  It's ugly, but I'll get over it:

BIG gap 

The key is to be casually deliberate about it.  I meant to do that.  

In my first few rides on the bike, I'm astonished how silent my drivetrain 
has turned out.  When I shift, I can't even hear it shift.  It's 
incredible.  I'm now starting to suspect that I'm getting benefits from 
having the extremely large chain wrap having the axle way behind the rear 
der.  It starts to look like the massive chain wrap you see on Cyclo and 
Nivex rear ends:

Nivex Example 

By wrapping the chain 180 degrees around the cogset, there is no chain 
tension at the links that are actually shifting.  With some of these 1x 
setups, the chain wrap is closer to 90 degrees.  So, my working strategy is 
to slam the wheel all the way back and call it a modern version of an old 
french rear der setup.  In other words:  APPROVE.  The fender issue is 
something I can defend.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:41:21 AM UTC-8, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> It's beautiful. Any further thoughts about the drop-outs, now that you've 
> laid hands on them?
>
> rod
>
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[RBW] Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[M D Smith]

Check out Carradice Super C panniers. I love mine.

Cheers- Mike 

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[RBW] Re: How to crash by yourself

[stonehog]

I am healing up nicely - no scars from the brambles.  The neck is still 
sore and crackly, but i have most of my range of motion back.  Still doing 
the daily PT stretches - probably for a few more weeks.  


On the bike front, things are great!  I went and picked it up yesterday, in 
fact.  On Saturday, I received a call by a woman saying "I have your bike". 
 I took down her number and address and went up yesterday to get it.  I 
talked with her brother, who had evidently "found it laying on the side of 
the road".  He said that he thought someone had stolen it and ditched it. 
 When he got home, he noticed some blood on the helmet and bike, and said 
he called the hospital to see if anyone had come in from a bike crash.  No 
reports, so he put it in the back shed.  This last weekend, my "drew's 
list" ad in the lost and found paid off, as his sister noticed it there and 
asked her brother about that white bike he had found.  They had the helmet, 
too - good as I wanted to see what it looked like, and it looks like it 
took a good bit of impact from what I'm betting was barbed wire fence, or a 
viciously strong blackberry branch.  The bike also still had my water 
bottle on it:)

The bike is in good shape - a bit rusty from being outside (chain and 
bolts, only), and it looks like he tried to take the valve stem off the 
back, but it's a tubeless setup, and he couldn't get the lock ring off the 
stem (scarred up the stem with a pliers a bit).  I have a feeling that if 
he would have been able to pump up the back wheel, I may not have gotten 
the bike back.  Tubeless saves the day??

I'm really happy to get the bike back, as it has some nice parts on it (Son 
Deluxe, Berthoud fenders, Nitto bars, stem, seatpost, Selle Anatomica 
saddle, my beloved Suntour XC Pro FD and XT RD, and of course the amazing 
Rene Herse crankset).  The added bonus is I had purchased a replacement 
Toussaint in the new rev from the boys in Canada for a reduced price!  I 
just told them about the return of the original, but they said they are 
happy I'm ok with 2 frames (I am!), so it's still on the way.  I may make 
that into the town porter/commuter, a la Bill's Rosco - it's about the same 
color, and I have plenty of parts in the bin.  Always wanted a low-trail 
porteur town bike.  Now i just need a 650B wheelset.






Brian Hanson

Seattle, WA

www.stonehog.com


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:51:15 AM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Wondering how the healing is going (have you been looking after the cuts?) 
> and if your bike was recovered by you?  
>
> IanA/Canada
>
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 1:59:54 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I had an off-road excursion into the ditch Friday night and spent a few 
>> hours in the ER getting my neck checked out.  All ok, but will be sore for 
>> a week or two.  Bike left in the ditch was taken before I was able to 
>> return - thank goodness it wasn't my Homer or Hunqa.  Small price to pay 
>> for a bit of bad judgement.  
>>
>> Wrote it up in my blog below, but to save a click: 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Philip Kim]

http://anhaicabagworks.com/

waxed canvas! Very well made IME.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Rod Holland]

Bill,

It's beautiful. Any further thoughts about the drop-outs, now that you've laid 
hands on them?

rod

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Shawn Granton]

I haven't used them yet, but I have been looking at Ironweed's offerings:
http://www.ironweedbp.com/panniers.html

And of course, there's always Carradice.

The Anhaica bags Garth mentions look good, too.

yours,
Shawn

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Garth]

I saw these on Etsy , waxed canvas and all. I know nothing of actually 
using them though.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/anhaicabagworks?order=price_desc
http://anhaicabagworks.com/shop/23438
http://anhaicabagworks.com/shop/234776226


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Bill Lindsay]

Let me know if you need help with it.  My Big Front is currently not on a 
bike, so I guess let me know if you want to acquire mine.  I can guarantee 
it fit my Appaloosa.  

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:26:47 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ah, that's interesting about the Big Front Rack. The how-to video at 
> Rivbike.com shows Mark using P-clamps instead of the mid mounts, but he may 
> have just felt it was a more direct mounting point than fiddling with 
> struts. I think I'm going to go that way. Thanks, Bill!

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[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

[Bill Lindsay]

The thing about Black and Cream, which is true of every handlebar tape 
color choice on EVERY bike, is covered thoroughly by RULE #80 


Rule #80 says: Always be casually deliberate.  No matter what color(s) you 
choose, if you casually and confidently convey the aura of MEANING to do 
that, and that you knew exactly what you were doing, you will pull it off.  

Flat Grey frame--> purple and hot pink harlequin?  SURE! 


Matte Sage frame-> lime / grass / orange tri-color?  WHATEVER! 


Metallic blue frame--> burnt orange?  ABSOLUTELY! 


Patrick Moore is the shining example of casual deliberateness.  He strolls 
through the grocery store aisles walking his bike, something most of us 
have never done.  He pulls it off because he is casually deliberate.  If 
you pick a colorway, any colorway, and deliver it casually and 
deliberately, it will be fine.  It doesn't have to be the same color(s) on 
each side.  There is no 'right', and no wrong.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 9:34:05 AM UTC-8, adam leibow wrote:
>
> the great thing about black (& cream) is that they are relatively quite 
> neutral, and give you much more freedom in selecting a color. the only 
> thing that would look truly bad IMO is brown or yellow cloth tape, but 
> that's more of a personal qualm & less of a design faux pas. but orange, 
> cyan, grey, green, eggplant, or any other color would truly POP. I wouldn't 
> use black though.. . . 
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:15:36 PM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> What color bar tape would you use on a lugged black bike with cream head 
>> tube, silver components and tan sidewall shoes?
>
>

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[RBW] Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it relates to:
— ease of access
— weatherproof
— bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
— other issues that stand out?

After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play there is 
with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored to the fabric 
top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s Back-a-Bike bags). 
But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough and the wooden chord 
closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush and that just on the MUPS.

Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 61 
look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I talked it 
over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, preferring ease of 
access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go bashing through brush the 
same way I do. Grin.

Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your experience 
with them?

With abandon,
Patrick

www.OurHolyConception.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, that's interesting about the Big Front Rack. The how-to video at 
Rivbike.com shows Mark using P-clamps instead of the mid mounts, but he may 
have just felt it was a more direct mounting point than fiddling with struts. I 
think I'm going to go that way. Thanks, Bill!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Chris Halasz]

>
> We first saw Bromptons in Paris seven or eight years ago. Returning home, 
> my wife reluctantly agreed to an n+1 used 'new' Brompton via Craigslist, 
> to go alongside our fairly new matching 650b bikes and my recently 
> purchased Tikit. 
>

I never got to ride the Brompton. My wife wrestled it away from me. 

I picked up another from a kind and patient seller on the BOB list. It was 
a P model, and I converted the bars over to an 'M' type, which makes it 
something like an 'H'. 

Seven + years later, the two Bromptons are our only bikes. I have had the 
pleasure of owning five Rivendell bikes, she has owned one, and we've each 
owned an RB-1 at one time or another. 

I commute and ride on mine about five days per week; she on hers about 
twice a week. 

She, and the dog, on hers: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/20202169152/

We rarely do more than 20km on a ride, but that's only because there are 
parks and coffee shops and bakeries and etc. to stop at along the way. 

Cheers, 

Chris (in Tucson) 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Docena Swift bag and B17 Special saddle

[Ryan Thompson]

PM'd about the bag.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> I have a camo Docena bag I picked up from Ocean Air Cycles this summer and 
> is like new, used on 2 short rides. I prefer the basket and shopsack and 
> just don't generally find I have that much stuff to carry. $285 new plus 
> shipping and wait time. $225 shipped?
>
> Also a B17 Special saddle I bought for my Riv and used for about 1.5 years 
> on weekly 10-20 mile rides. Has a nice honey color to it now. Looks and 
> feels barely broken in if at all. Can send some pictures if interested. 
> $190 new on amazon, though looks like Brooks doesn't carry this any more. 
> $120 shipped?
>
> Local pickup in the bay area.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Bill Lindsay]

Nothing wrong with wanting everything.  On my recent Rosco Bubbe build, I 
experienced the benefit of that.  I had thought of it as a stripped down 
minimalist build for my daily commute with a backpack, so I hadn't given 
much thought to a front rack.  When I finished the build, I remembered that 
I needed something to attach the dynamo lamp onto, and realized that my 
dynamo lamp was a hanging model, so I needed a front rack.  I went shopping 
in my own internal inventory.  Turns out I had four different front racks 
to choose from off the shelf, and one more that I could have easily swapped 
from another bike.  The rack that I ended up putting on the Rosco Bubbe was 
a rack I bought off the list when it presented itself.  I had no particular 
bike that needed this rack, but the rack itself was undeniably cool and 
useful.  So I picked it up and turns out voila!  I've found a use for it.  

I had great success using the Nitto Big Front rack on my Appaloosa to 
support a large Wald basket plus a set of Sackville Backabike rear 
panniers.  That mounts at the dropout and at the mid fork braze ons

I am also a huge fan of the Nitto Campee 27F, which is more of a Frenchie 
front rack with a smaller platform, but with very stylish splayed  out 
removable lowriders.  The lowriders don't fit every conceivable pannier, 
and they are "made to fit" only Ostrich DLX (inexpensive) or Berthoud GB 
something or other (very expensive).  That rack also mounts at the dropout 
and at the canti-boss if you use the hardware it comes with.  Many of us 
swap out the struts to go to the mid fork braze ons instead.  I'm running 
two of those on bikes right now.   

Bill

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:54:42 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Bill: I started out looking for a Wald basket support, but the search 
> kinda morphed into 'all of the above' as people chimed in with different 
> ideas. As with bags, I tend to like every dang rack I see, so I'm 
> constantly changing my mind! I even stumbled across the (out of stock) 
> Sackville BarSack for the Nitto F15 bar mount last night, and started 
> thinking THAT would be nice ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

[adam leibow]

the great thing about black (& cream) is that they are relatively quite 
neutral, and give you much more freedom in selecting a color. the only 
thing that would look truly bad IMO is brown or yellow cloth tape, but 
that's more of a personal qualm & less of a design faux pas. but orange, 
cyan, grey, green, eggplant, or any other color would truly POP. I wouldn't 
use black though.. . . 

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:15:36 PM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> What color bar tape would you use on a lugged black bike with cream head 
> tube, silver components and tan sidewall shoes?

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[RBW] Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Joe Bernard]

Bill: I started out looking for a Wald basket support, but the search kinda 
morphed into 'all of the above' as people chimed in with different ideas. As 
with bags, I tend to like every dang rack I see, so I'm constantly changing my 
mind! I even stumbled across the (out of stock) Sackville BarSack for the Nitto 
F15 bar mount last night, and started thinking THAT would be nice ;-)

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[RBW] Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Bill Lindsay]

Not using the center crown hole is a reasonable constraint. What kind of rack 
do you want?  A tiny rando rack?  A Wald basket support?  A pannier rack?  A 
French bread delivery porteur rack?  

Or are you just trying to compile the list of all possible racks that can be 
modified to fit your crown braze ons?

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Re: [RBW] FS: Docena Swift bag and B17 Special saddle

[Max Bergen]

Interested in saddle, pls send pics. Thx! 

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[RBW] Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Joe Bernard]

Of course you're right, Bill, I'm just trying to avoid using the center 
fork-crown hole because my canti brakes straddle wire blocks it. I had the same 
issue with a Nitto 32f and v-brakes on my Clem, and I don't feel like dealing 
with it again. 

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[RBW] Re: Bought a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Sequel of story was that I emailed Mark yesterday asking if those lugs on 
the holiday special custom  were going to be the lugs on my mixte. He 
replied this morning saying that, yes, that was my bike.. but .they hadn't 
made the headtube long enough. I appreciate that they didn't want to 
compromise on Grant's design, but it is  too bad for them and I hope this 
lovely bike will be just right for someone else

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 9:28:07 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Sequel of the story 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 1:43:23 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Ryan said he ordered a custom Riv mixte 11+ months ago and is still 
>> waiting for it
>>
>> Do you have any connection to the custom mixte on the Web Specials page?
>>
>> Custom Mixte 
>> 
>>
>> Just curious.  That thing is gorgeous, but it makes me a little sick to 
>> my stomach for Riv and for Mark Nobillette and for the customer that a 
>> detail was forgotten that required another frameset to be built.  Damn this 
>> ex-retail guilt!  I hate it when a LOONG transaction like that hits a 
>> speedbump.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

[Takashi]

Another sample of Black & Black Sam 

. 
(Not mine)

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: Bought a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Sequel of the story 

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 1:43:23 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ryan said he ordered a custom Riv mixte 11+ months ago and is still 
> waiting for it
>
> Do you have any connection to the custom mixte on the Web Specials page?
>
> Custom Mixte 
> 
>
> Just curious.  That thing is gorgeous, but it makes me a little sick to my 
> stomach for Riv and for Mark Nobillette and for the customer that a detail 
> was forgotten that required another frameset to be built.  Damn this 
> ex-retail guilt!  I hate it when a LOONG transaction like that hits a 
> speedbump.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Snow powder and pack tires

[Takashi]

I bought a pair of Continental Race King 
.
There are many versions (cheap ones and expensive ones); the pair I bought 
was expensive ones which says "Black Chili Compound."
Rode it only short distances, but it feels grippy yet fast enough. Felt a 
bit buzzy on paved road, but I felt it was acceptable.
I haven't tried it on slippery road. Maybe I will test it when there's snow.
If you want more knobby ones, there are "X-King" and "Mountain King", which 
I haven't tried.

It seems that Conti's "2.0 inch" tires are a bit wider than Schwalbe's "2.0 
inch" tires.

Takashi

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[RBW] Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Bill Lindsay]

I know that the braze ones on top of the Appaloosa fork crown are cool, and I 
know it very tempting to use them. That said, there are lots of fantastic racks 
out there that don't use them and instead use the other equally cool braze on 
son you Appaloosa fork. My advice is to pick a rack that suits your needs even 
if it doesn't utilize the fork crown bolts.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Shoji Takahashi]

Rob at Ocean Air Cycles also shows how to use Surly hardware to secure a 
Soma Porteur to the upper fork mounts.
http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/10/18/upper-porteur-mounting/

This could probably be used with Pass and Stow, and many other racks. 

shoji


On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 3:13:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hmm. I wasn't planning on such a big front rack, but the Pass and Stow is 
> built just down the highway from me. I like it! 

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[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

[Marc Irwin]

Here in Michigan we have been working with negative windchill indices and 
daily snow for 10 days.  It's an interesting change.  The MUP's ride like a 
frozen MTB trail, but there are no dog walkers or baby strollers to dodge. 
 I don't get the big deal, I wear my ski parka, a baklava type thing, 
hunting gloves and am perfectly comfortable.  People constantly express 
concern for my "having" to ride my bike.  They just stare when I tell them 
I could drive my car whenever I'd like.

Marc

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 5:19:49 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Today's ride was positively balmy at 32˚F. A good ol' boy bundled to the 
> hilt (more than I work at -5˚F) coming toward me in his pickup unrolls his 
> window and hollers "It's way too cold for that!" I doubt he heard me, but I 
> hollered back, "Good thing you're in a truck then!" waving and grinning the 
> whole time.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 9:43:43 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Minus five, with the winter clothing details finally coming together in 
>> the little details. What a blast! 
>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/winter-ramble 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mix 'n match gearing

[Dave Johnston]

Hey that is pretty cool. I have 2 old XC-pro mid cage in a box somewhere 
and plenty of 8 speed cassettes, and a sunrace 9s thumbie (for shimano). so 
might give it a try. I was just about to put an 8s wheel with a 7s cassette 
and spacer on my old MTB to be compatible with the 7s DX thumbies on it now.

-Dave

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 11:02:12 PM UTC-5, RonaTD wrote:
>
> I found on the 'net some interesting (in a nerdy, arithmetic sort of way) 
> info on shifter cable pull, derailer actuation ratios, and cog spacing. 
> Naturally, I loaded it all into a spreadsheet for fun. After looking at 
> many different permutations, I came upon one that seemed fairly useful. If 
> you have a nice SunTour rear derailer and you'd really like to use it with 
> more modern, indexed shifting, it works perfectly with a Shimano 9-speed 
> shifter and a Shimano/SRAM 8-speed cassette. I just tried it out on my Riv 
> ATB and, sure enough, the spacing is exactly right. Since I'm a big fan of 
> Shimano 9-speed bar-end shifters, and my ATB has a nice XC Pro rear 
> derailer, it's a very happy coincidence for me.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA - wicked cold 'n snowy here at the moment
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Sizing Help

[Belopsky]

Tim what size stem do you use on the MAP?

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 7:03:47 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> I'm 5'10 with a PBH of 87.5 cm. In 2011 before I bought my Hilsen I 
> measured and I got 89.5 cm. Grant suggested a 63 Hilsen, which I got. Later 
> when talking to Keven he said either 61 or 63. I bought a used 63 Roadeo in 
> 2013. I run a 10 cm Tallux and Technomic on the bikes. They fit great, no 
> issues. I ride with the bars (bot drops) level with the seat. That being 
> said, if I were to do it over (which I have no desire to) I would get the 
> 61 in both bikes, more for aesthetics than anything. I'd prefer a fistful 
> of seat post or even a little more. I have less than that now. And it would 
> be easy to get the bars up high enough. My MAP custom randonneur, which 
> Mitch built from my measurements on my Hilsen, and my "new" PBH, has a 59 
> seat tube and 59.5 TT. It fits swell as well. When I get an Atlantis I'll 
> go 61. 

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[RBW] Roadeo Sizing Help

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm 5'10 with a PBH of 87.5 cm. In 2011 before I bought my Hilsen I measured 
and I got 89.5 cm. Grant suggested a 63 Hilsen, which I got. Later when talking 
to Keven he said either 61 or 63. I bought a used 63 Roadeo in 2013. I run a 10 
cm Tallux and Technomic on the bikes. They fit great, no issues. I ride with 
the bars (bot drops) level with the seat. That being said, if I were to do it 
over (which I have no desire to) I would get the 61 in both bikes, more for 
aesthetics than anything. I'd prefer a fistful of seat post or even a little 
more. I have less than that now. And it would be easy to get the bars up high 
enough. My MAP custom randonneur, which Mitch built from my measurements on my 
Hilsen, and my "new" PBH, has a 59 seat tube and 59.5 TT. It fits swell as 
well. When I get an Atlantis I'll go 61. 

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[RBW] Mix 'n match gearing

[iamkeith]

Confirmed.  I do this on several bikes.  The 8-speed suntour thumb shifters can 
be encouraged to give you one extra "click," or hidden index position, at the 
high end, so it works perfect.  

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[RBW] Re: How to crash by yourself

[Ian A]

Brian,

Wondering how the healing is going (have you been looking after the cuts?) 
and if your bike was recovered by you?  

IanA/Canada


On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 1:59:54 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> I had an off-road excursion into the ditch Friday night and spent a few 
> hours in the ER getting my neck checked out.  All ok, but will be sore for 
> a week or two.  Bike left in the ditch was taken before I was able to 
> return - thank goodness it wasn't my Homer or Hunqa.  Small price to pay 
> for a bit of bad judgement.  
>
> Wrote it up in my blog below, but to save a click: 
>
>
>

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