Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[David B]

Didn’t realize they made 23t freewheels. If you’re up for a freewheel gear, in 
the general range would be 34/15 fixed and 26/23 freewheel. 
Theoretically the chain length would be the same. But still, not a fixed gear 
for the bailout. 
David 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, and 
the Potenza group as well.
Veloce, for 
instance: 
https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en=USD

Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 which 
was a great deal IMO

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[RBW] Best Rack for a large saddlesack on a large frame?

[Birdman]

Hey bunch,

I'm building up a 65cm Double TT Atlantis (yay, dream bike!).  I'd like to 
use a large saddlesack for short tours and wonder what rack support might 
be best for a large frame.  I was planning to use a 33R large rear rack 
before I decided on a saddlesack, but now I wonder how well it will work 
with the large frame, my 95 pbh, and subsequent saddle height. From 
pictures, it looks like the saddlesack will need to attach to the saddle 
with a rack high enough and close enough to the seat tube to support the 
bag.  Maybe there's more wiggle room and adjustability with the R14 rack?  
Anyway, I thought I'd tap the collective wisdom here before calling Riv 
HQ.  Any thoughts? Am I over thinking this?

Isaac

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Justin August]

Just get a White industries. I think they sell huge free wheels.

-J

On Nov 28, 2017, 5:40 PM -0800, David B , wrote:
> That’s what I was thinking. Dismantle a multi speed freewheel and make a 
> single cog freewheel with a large cog. Could likely figure gearing without 
> having to mess with chain length.
> David
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
> > I wonder if it makes more sense to have the 30” gear as a freewheel in the 
> > other side. If you’re going to bail why not bail hard?
> >
> >
> > -J
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[David B]

That’s what I was thinking. Dismantle a multi speed freewheel and make a single 
cog freewheel with a large cog. Could likely figure gearing without having to 
mess with chain length. 
David 



On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
> I wonder if it makes more sense to have the 30” gear as a freewheel in the 
> other side. If you’re going to bail why not bail hard?
> 
> 
> -J

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Justin, Oakland]

I wonder if it makes more sense to have the 30” gear as a freewheel in the 
other side. If you’re going to bail why not bail hard?


-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris:

I also have a San Marcos and have long lusted after the Roadeo (which 
doesn't come in my size). The Roadini seemed very similar to my current 
bike and I would be interested to know the differences. Please post how 
they compare once your new bike gets in.

Ann

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 5:07:11 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I am getting a Roadini and the San Marcos is currently my 
> favorite fast bike

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[RBW] Carrying Sackville Off-Bike

[scott]

I attach my small pump to the saddle straps and carry it kind of like a 
briefcase. Works great for me.

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[RBW] Re: FS 51 Joe Appaloosa silver

[Andrew Huston]

How many bumps is too much?  I want this thing to be in someone else’s garage. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Interesting.  I am getting a Roadini and the San Marcos is currently my 
favorite fast bike

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[RBW] Re: My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[Bob B]

Thank you, Bill. You have sufficiently answered my questions.

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[RBW] Re: My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

Bob B asked about the 'white things'.  

It is a stack of four pale-grey foam spacers.  There are two straps to go 
around your handlebar.  Each strap is webbing that threads through those 
spacers and it has a nice locking buckle.  That entire assembly can be 
taken apart.  Here's a photo of the carcass of the bag with one 
strap+spacer-stack assembled, and one stack disassembled:



Is it just padding?  I think of it more as spacers.  I imagine a bike with 
straight bars and trigger shifters hanging below the bars might need more 
spacers.  I imagine my own bikes with drop bars will not necessarily need 
as many.  I presume the more spacers you use, the more room there may be 
for your fingers to wrap around the tops of your drop bars.  

Are they necessary?  We will see.  I think that using at least one will 
allow you to really pull the strap tight, compressing the foam.  Zero might 
work just as well.  We'll see.  If it's just the color that's bugging you, 
it would be easy to go at them with a sharpie and make them black.  Haha.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:54:09 PM UTC-8, Bob B wrote:
>
> Hey Bill... I saw this bag and love the design in general, but my eye goes 
> to the white things threaded through the loops that secure the bag onto 
> handlebars/saddles. May be too early to ask if you haven't mounted it yet, 
> but... is that just padding? Is it necessary?
>
> Bob B
> Brooklyn, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[Bob B]

Hey Bill... I saw this bag and love the design in general, but my eye goes 
to the white things threaded through the loops that secure the bag onto 
handlebars/saddles. May be too early to ask if you haven't mounted it yet, 
but... is that just padding? Is it necessary?

Bob B
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] FS - Carradice Bagman Expedition w/ Quick Release

[ant ritchey]

iBob croos post

LIKE THIS'N 


Only saw light use and in very good condition. 

$50 + shipping.

Ant Ritchey in 97217

724 757 9358 for text

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[RBW] Re: My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[David B]

+1 to this practice. I found out recently that my LBS is a Compass dealer, 
so I'll be buying my tires from them now, and puts a little coin in their 
pocket.
David

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 3:28:41 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Igor asked if there was a reason I did not order my bag direct from Blue 
> Lug.  
>
> Yes, there are several reasons.  The main one is that it always works out 
> better for me to spend money at Rivendell Bicycle Works if I can.  If I 
> need something they don't sell, of course I go buy it wherever I need to.  
> In this case, I had picked the bag, and I could have ordered from Blue Lug 
> for the same price.  Buying it from Rivendell allowed them to make a few 
> bucks.  That policy always works out in my best interest.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:06:52 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill, Any reason you did not order it direct from Blue Lug?
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Will did me a solid and ordered me a Fairweather handlebar bag from the 
>>> folks at Blue Lug.  
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the handlebar bag I ordered:  
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-sah-harness-black.html
>>>
>>> I'm not attaching a photo of the bag because it's just a shapeless blob 
>>> with nothing in it and not on a bike.  What I will photograph is the little 
>>> freebie that Blue Lug included in the package.  It's a little reflective 
>>> smiley face zipper pull piece of bag-bling.  They went to great expense 
>>> making this zipper pull completely custom, just for me, by emblazoning MY 
>>> initials on it:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Bill 'call me BL' Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[Doug H.]

The initialed smiley face is a nice touch. Does it have grumpy face on the 
flipside? That would suit me!

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Will did me a solid and ordered me a Fairweather handlebar bag from the 
> folks at Blue Lug.  
>
> Here's a link to the handlebar bag I ordered:  
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-sah-harness-black.html
>
> I'm not attaching a photo of the bag because it's just a shapeless blob 
> with nothing in it and not on a bike.  What I will photograph is the little 
> freebie that Blue Lug included in the package.  It's a little reflective 
> smiley face zipper pull piece of bag-bling.  They went to great expense 
> making this zipper pull completely custom, just for me, by emblazoning MY 
> initials on it:
>
>
> 
>
> Bill 'call me BL' Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

Igor asked if there was a reason I did not order my bag direct from Blue 
Lug.  

Yes, there are several reasons.  The main one is that it always works out 
better for me to spend money at Rivendell Bicycle Works if I can.  If I 
need something they don't sell, of course I go buy it wherever I need to.  
In this case, I had picked the bag, and I could have ordered from Blue Lug 
for the same price.  Buying it from Rivendell allowed them to make a few 
bucks.  That policy always works out in my best interest.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:06:52 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Hi Bill, Any reason you did not order it direct from Blue Lug?
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Will did me a solid and ordered me a Fairweather handlebar bag from the 
>> folks at Blue Lug.  
>>
>> Here's a link to the handlebar bag I ordered:  
>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-sah-harness-black.html
>>
>> I'm not attaching a photo of the bag because it's just a shapeless blob 
>> with nothing in it and not on a bike.  What I will photograph is the little 
>> freebie that Blue Lug included in the package.  It's a little reflective 
>> smiley face zipper pull piece of bag-bling.  They went to great expense 
>> making this zipper pull completely custom, just for me, by emblazoning MY 
>> initials on it:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Bill 'call me BL' Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Carrying Sackville Off-Bike

[Max S]

I do wish there were D-loops on the sides or bottom for portaging... maybe a 
DIY project?.. maybe a new-and-improved v.3 of the SaddleSack line?.. 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Max S]

Also, re. finding oddball cog combos, reusing cassette sprockets may be the 
best way, provided the hub has a splined body that’s fixed. King I believe has 
its own version, but also there used to be a replacement freehub body that 
didn’t ratchet. I can’t seem to locate an example on the web, but remember 
seeing it at some point. If that were in existence / procured, might not even 
need to get a different wheel! 

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[RBW] Re: My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[Belopsky]

Hi Bill, Any reason you did not order it direct from Blue Lug?

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Will did me a solid and ordered me a Fairweather handlebar bag from the 
> folks at Blue Lug.  
>
> Here's a link to the handlebar bag I ordered:  
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-sah-harness-black.html
>
> I'm not attaching a photo of the bag because it's just a shapeless blob 
> with nothing in it and not on a bike.  What I will photograph is the little 
> freebie that Blue Lug included in the package.  It's a little reflective 
> smiley face zipper pull piece of bag-bling.  They went to great expense 
> making this zipper pull completely custom, just for me, by emblazoning MY 
> initials on it:
>
>
> 
>
> Bill 'call me BL' Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] My new Fairweather handlebar bag via Blue Lug via Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

Will did me a solid and ordered me a Fairweather handlebar bag from the 
folks at Blue Lug.  

Here's a link to the handlebar bag I ordered:  
https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-sah-harness-black.html

I'm not attaching a photo of the bag because it's just a shapeless blob 
with nothing in it and not on a bike.  What I will photograph is the little 
freebie that Blue Lug included in the package.  It's a little reflective 
smiley face zipper pull piece of bag-bling.  They went to great expense 
making this zipper pull completely custom, just for me, by emblazoning MY 
initials on it:



Bill 'call me BL' Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

[Jim S.]

Thanks for the responses. By the way, the internet is really neat. How 
would a person find an answer to a relatively obscure, perhaps trivial 
question like mine before the internet? I guess you'd go to the bike shop, 
and the guy there would either tell you the right thing, or the wrong 
thing, and that was all the information you'd ever get.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:17:56 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> What an awesome name for a bicycle handlebar.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:07:20 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>
>> Also just saw a newish bar called the Genetic Digest
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

Great point, Eric. The idea would be to ride the 60” gear as my “always” gear, 
with the 30” as a bailout to make me more comfortable trying fixed bikepacking. 
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if I get out there and delight to find I ride 
95% of the ridable stuff on 60”, so no need for a bail out gear. Grin.

Part of what I need to learn is does riding fixed make it easier to gear up vs. 
SS, even on sustained climbs because of the fly wheel effect pushing the pedals 
through the “dead zone”?

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] FS: MUSA Splats, plus VO bottle cage and li'l bag

[Shawn Granton]

Hello folks!

The neverending cleaning and purging of bicycle parts and accessories 
continues! Here are a few things I don’t need anymore. Interested?

   - Prices do not include shipping. If you are interested in something, 
   please include your zip code.
   - For those outside of Portland OR, I will accept Paypal and Square Cash 
   for payment methods.
   - For those inside Portland OR, I will definitely do in-person 
   transactions. This must be carried out either in Woodlawn (NE) or on SE 
   Hawthorne Blvd. Of course you can pay cash, and there won’t be any shipping 
   cost!
   - And I will definitely cut you a deal if you buy multiple items. 
   Otherwise, I feel these prices are pretty reasonable!
   

Okay, what’s up this time?

   - Velo Orange “Moderniste” stainless steel water bottle cage. $10 (Only 
   one available.)
   - MUSA (Rivendell) “Splats”, size “C” (fits men’s shoe size 9 to 15?) 
   Waxed cotton waterproof shoe covers. Apparently Rivendell doesn’t even have 
   this size in stock right now. $20 for the pair
   - Jandd stem bag. Fits on top tube and stem. $5
   

Please direct message me if you are interested in any (or all!) of these 
items, or if you have questions.

Oh yes, photos here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/albums/72157690205841665 


yours,
Shawn


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[RBW] Carrying Sackville Off-Bike

[Tony DeFilippo]

The Nitto quick release makes a decent handle and facilitates the easy on-off 
solution in my experience.

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[RBW] PSA: 62cm RIVENDELL RAMBOUILLET

[tc]

I don't know the owner ... just noticed on CR:

https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/62cm-rivendell-rambouillet/6402560221.html

Tom

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Re: [RBW] 650b Atlantis Pic on the BLUG

[RichS]

Paul Moto-Lites work. I played with the conversion on my 53 Atlantis a couple 
of years ago. It was successful but short lived. I didn’t care for the change 
in height so went back to the 26”/canti configuration and that’s where it is 
today.

Regards,
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[RBW] Carrying Sackville Off-Bike

[Douglas Kline]

I have purchased the Sackville large-size saddle bag.  I would like to find 
a better way of carrying it off-bike than as a big lump.  It doesn't come 
with a carrying strap or with loops to which such a strap could be readily 
attached.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Eric Daume]

Trying to break a chain via master link out in the field when it’s cold and
dirty seems like a recipe for frustration.  If you’re using the older hub,
with screw on cog, it would be a lot easier to run a double cog and two
rings up front.

Eric

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> After my grocery run with the trailer yesterday in poser fixed mode, I am
> leaning to a simple, wider gear system that would give me aprox 30” and 60”
> fixed gears. One cog, and swap chains to shift, which would be rare, and
> likely only when I’m bikepacking. That opens up the White Industries new
> cog system as I’d use a single cog. Anyone see any issues with that?
>
> With abadnon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Bill Lindsay]

I think it makes sense in theory.  Using the crankset you already have, I 
think that gives you only one option, which means less fretting, I 
suppose.  

That one option is a 48 tooth big ring, a 24 tooth small ring, on the 
110/74 crankset you already have, mated to the largest White Industries 
fixed cog, 20-teeth.  With a 50mm tire that would give you gears of 68 and 
34 gear inches.  Go 24/44 and you'd be at 34 and 60 inches with 50mm 
tires.  

If you were emphatic about getting a lot closer to 30 on your low gear, 
you'd nail it with a 94/58 crankset with a 22 and a 44 tooth rings.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> After my grocery run with the trailer yesterday in poser fixed mode, I am 
> leaning to a simple, wider gear system that would give me aprox 30” and 60” 
> fixed gears. One cog, and swap chains to shift, which would be rare, and 
> likely only when I’m bikepacking. That opens up the White Industries new 
> cog system as I’d use a single cog. Anyone see any issues with that? 
>
> With abadnon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[LBleriot]

I have a Ram, a Rom, A Roadeo, a Soma San Marcos (see a pattern here?) and 
I find that the Roadini is closest to the San Marcos, then the Ram/Rom, and 
least like the Roadeo.  YMMV.

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:59:16 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a 
> Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) 
> that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
> The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit 
> sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv 
> Road customs. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. 
>> With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat 
>> tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
>>> looming build.
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto R-14 without tombstone

[Daniel M]

Also posted on i-BOB:

A rear platform rack is the last piece of the puzzle on my first-ever 
bottom-to-top bike-and-wheel build. I've cobbled together my ultimate do-it-all 
rough road touring bike: a new (non suspension-corrected) Surly Troll frame 
with a used Rohloff out back and a new SP dynohub up front, both laced (by me; 
first time) to 26" Velocity Dually rims, which allow me to run my beloved 2.35" 
Supermotos and experiment with tires in the 2.8-3.0" range for the horrendously 
bad backroads of Death Vallley and the like.

Riv is out of stock; I can find other sources but the price of these things has 
gone up quite a bit since I last owned one! Does anyone have a Nitto R-14 
WITHOUT the tombstone that they would be willing to sell to me at a reasonable 
pre-owned price? They pack flat so shipping should be pretty easy!

Thanks in advance for all replies.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Philip Williamson]

36/24 x 17/21 gives 33" and 61"
That's about the closest you can get with a 110/74 crankset, as far as I 
can tell. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:54:45 AM UTC-8, Max S wrote:
>
> Need to do the math, but would it be possible to get close with a 
> large/small // small/large combo of rings // cogs?.. 
>
> Like 42:19 and 34:27 get you 61” and 35” gears, respectively, on 700x44 
> tires, but would allow the chain length to remain roughly the same, no?.. 
> (it should be fairly easy to find 42 and 34t rings on a 110 mm BCD crank, 
> but 27t cogs may be trickier to source.) 
>
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Philip Williamson]

Sounds good. You can also simply swap a short piece of chain in and out, 
with two connector links. I did that once. 


Philip
www.biketinker.com

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> After my grocery run with the trailer yesterday in poser fixed mode, I am 
> leaning to a simple, wider gear system that would give me aprox 30” and 60” 
> fixed gears. One cog, and swap chains to shift, which would be rare, and 
> likely only when I’m bikepacking. That opens up the White Industries new 
> cog system as I’d use a single cog. Anyone see any issues with that? 
>
> With abadnon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Max S]

Need to do the math, but would it be possible to get close with a large/small 
// small/large combo of rings // cogs?.. 

Like 42:19 and 34:27 get you 61” and 35” gears, respectively, on 700x44 tires, 
but would allow the chain length to remain roughly the same, no?.. (it should 
be fairly easy to find 42 and 34t rings on a 110 mm BCD crank, but 27t cogs may 
be trickier to source.) 



 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Soma Front Rack, Nitto Tallux Stem 10cm/25.4, VO Postino Handlebar Setup, Nitto B132 Bars, Sugino AT Triple Crankset

[David B]

Crickets on most stuff means I'm overpriced, at least for this time of 
year...
Lowering prices on most items... 
hanging on to the Betty fork for now, unless someone really wants it...
Assorted sorta OT leather goods posted at treetop.bigcartel.com, closeouts 
on some older designs (wallets/notebook covers)... 
will combine shipping on any of those items...

Apologies for the several FS posts recently, raising funds to go back to 
> 650b on my Redwood, for like the third time or so... think I'm sticking 
> with 650b at least for a year or so... and to build up a Kogswell P/R that 
> I just picked up...
> Prices includes shipping in conUS, except as noted.
> Paypal for payment - regular form is fine.
> Photos are available, or I can take more this weekend.
> Contact offlist if interested.
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
> 1. Soma Champs Elysees Front Rack - the rando style version that fits on 
> Riv standard upper/mid eyelets - $70 shipped
>
> 2. Nitto Tallux Stem - 10cm reach, 25.4mm clamp - used, nice condition - 
> $50 shipped
>
> 3. Nitto B132 Randonneur Drop Bars - one side of the sleeve has scratches 
> from trying to fit in an mtb stem - $25 shipped
>
> 4. Velo Orange Postino Bar Setup - VO Postino bar, Nitto Technomic stem 
> (12cm/25.4/225mm), Tektro black brake levers (canti/sidepull), brown 
> Newbaums tape around the bends (clear shellacked), cork grips (clear 
> shellacked), all new except stem was used on a ride, couple marks from use 
> - $80 shipped
>
> 5. Sugino AT Triple Crankset - vintage low-Q crank, 170mm, comes with new 
> Willow chainrings and chainring bolts - 49/37/25 rings, though I can swap 
> out sizes - $70 shipped
>
> 6. 80s MTB Fork - lugged fork crown, canti posts, for 26"/559mm wheels, 
> from a Schwinn High Sierra, black, will measure steerer tube length, but it 
> was from the largest size - $70 shipped
>
> 8. Prototype Rando Bag - my take on a simple rando bag without exterior 
> pockets - info here - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/commuteur-rando-bag-prototype-maroon 
> 
>  
> - $80 shipped
>
> 9. Nitto Technomic Standard Stem - 10cm, 26.0mm, 225mm tall, new - has a 
> non-Nitto wedge nut that is the same shape/size/ - $25 shipped
>
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[RBW] Re: re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What an awesome name for a bicycle handlebar.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:07:20 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
> Also just saw a newish bar called the Genetic Digest
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[RBW] Re: Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

After my grocery run with the trailer yesterday in poser fixed mode, I am 
leaning to a simple, wider gear system that would give me aprox 30” and 60” 
fixed gears. One cog, and swap chains to shift, which would be rare, and likely 
only when I’m bikepacking. That opens up the White Industries new cog system as 
I’d use a single cog. Anyone see any issues with that?

With abadnon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Schmidt Edelux light?

[Carla Waugh]

I figured it out and thanks

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hubs

[Steve Palincsar]

Yes


On 11/28/2017 09:24 AM, Doug H. wrote:
Dumb question here but I'm not familiar with Dynamo Hubs. Will one hub 
power front and rear lights?




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Re: [RBW] Schmidt Edelux light?

[Carla Waugh]

Thanks the light doesn’t seem overly bright?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring 4-7

[Kainalu V.]

"Need" of course being very strong language for my love of lobstahz, but 
how much do we really need anything that we know and love? In my experience 
lobster mitts give most all the benefits of gloves and mittens in one cozy 
unit, couple those with some studded tires and ride like the wind!, in the 
wind. And coffee, always coffee, dark roast sumatra...
-Kai
BK NY


On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 7:53:52 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I don’t understand the need for lobster mitts. I ride single track with 
> mittens all the time and have no problem gripping and braking as needed. 
> Yes, one is always compromised, but in those conditions, if I’m going so 
> fast I need to grip, I’m going too fast anyway. Slow down, and I have no 
> problem gripping and I stay on the road/trail and under control far better. 
> Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

[Tim Gavin]

Personally, I like the Salsa Cowchipper.  They are Cowbells but with more
flare (~20 vs ~10 degrees).  Their drops are parallel to the top tube,
unlike the wide-flare Woodchipper bars.

But they only come in 31.8 and black, so that rules them out for some
folks.

I use Nitto B135 Randonneur bars on my Riv.  They have about ~10 of flare,
and they hump "up" a little bit across the tops.  I find them very
comfortable.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:07 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Responding to my own response:  Hard to keep up, with so many options
> available these days.
>
> Just did a google image search of Midge bars.  While they flare outward at
> the hook part of the bar, the lower drop portion itself is actually aligned
> more parallel to the bike frame.  So my comment about shifters sticking out
> too far doesn't apply to them after all.  You can see, in almost all
> images, that people have aligned them with the bar though - not vertical.
>
> Also just saw a newish bar called the Genetic Digest, which seems to be a
> copy of the Woodchipper, in which the drop section is similarly flared
> outward, EXCEPT that the very end is bent back toward parallel with the
> bike frame, to solve the problem I mentioned.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:48:16 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> My preference for "normal" dirt drops like the WTB and Nitto ones, is
>> aligned with the flare of the bar - so rotated a bit from vertical.   Part
>> of the reason for the flare is that it more closely mirrors the natural
>> angle of your grip.   If you rotate the bar-end shifters vertically, you
>> have to rotate your hand back to the un-natural vertical every time you
>> shift.  (Well, depending on the position of the lever and which way you're
>> shifting, you may not "have to"  rotate your hand, but then it feels
>> awakard.)
>>
>> However, on REALLY wide and flared dirt drops like the Salsa Woodchipper,
>> I've decided I don't like bar end shifters at all because they stick out to
>> the side too much when installed in this proper alignment.   Every time I
>> lean the bike against something, and half of the times when I mount or
>> dismount the bike, I end up bumping the shifter into another gear.
>>
>> Woodchipper has a long enough grip at the drop part of the bar to not to
>> "require" the bar end shifters.   I'm not sure how something like a Midge
>> would work, where the grip is too short without the shifter, but people
>> seem to adapt.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:30:06 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a small point, but the type of thing that I ponder in my free
>>> time. I am trying out some dirt-drop style handlebars that flare out at the
>>> ends of the drops. Do folks with these bars angle their bar-end shifters so
>>> that they are consistent with the flare of the bars, or do they angle the
>>> shifters so that they are on a plane perpendicular to the ground? I think
>>> they'll shift fine either way.
>>>
>>> But I'm wondering if there are any practical considerations for one way
>>> versus the other, in addition to people's opinions on the aesthetics.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ortlieb Classic Messenger Bag

[Dave Grossman]

Price Drop to $65 plus shipping

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 1:57:02 PM UTC-6, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Selling my very lightly used Ortlieb Messenger Bag Classic. It is huge! I 
> am not really using backpacks anymore after spine surgery so this is just 
> collecting dust. 
>
> It has one huge pocket that is 39L in size. I also bought the additional 
> insert for small things that is included.
>
> Asking $75 Plus Actual Shipping. As it has a hard back it will need to be 
> shipped in a box unless I can find a giant poly bag.
>
>
> https://ortliebusa.com/product/messenger-bag-classic/
>
>
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> 
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[RBW] Re: re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

[iamkeith]

Responding to my own response:  Hard to keep up, with so many options 
available these days.  

Just did a google image search of Midge bars.  While they flare outward at 
the hook part of the bar, the lower drop portion itself is actually aligned 
more parallel to the bike frame.  So my comment about shifters sticking out 
too far doesn't apply to them after all.  You can see, in almost all 
images, that people have aligned them with the bar though - not vertical.

Also just saw a newish bar called the Genetic Digest, which seems to be a 
copy of the Woodchipper, in which the drop section is similarly flared 
outward, EXCEPT that the very end is bent back toward parallel with the 
bike frame, to solve the problem I mentioned.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:48:16 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> My preference for "normal" dirt drops like the WTB and Nitto ones, is 
> aligned with the flare of the bar - so rotated a bit from vertical.   Part 
> of the reason for the flare is that it more closely mirrors the natural 
> angle of your grip.   If you rotate the bar-end shifters vertically, you 
> have to rotate your hand back to the un-natural vertical every time you 
> shift.  (Well, depending on the position of the lever and which way you're 
> shifting, you may not "have to"  rotate your hand, but then it feels 
> awakard.)
>
> However, on REALLY wide and flared dirt drops like the Salsa Woodchipper, 
> I've decided I don't like bar end shifters at all because they stick out to 
> the side too much when installed in this proper alignment.   Every time I 
> lean the bike against something, and half of the times when I mount or 
> dismount the bike, I end up bumping the shifter into another gear.   
>
> Woodchipper has a long enough grip at the drop part of the bar to not to 
> "require" the bar end shifters.   I'm not sure how something like a Midge 
> would work, where the grip is too short without the shifter, but people 
> seem to adapt.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:30:06 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> This is a small point, but the type of thing that I ponder in my free 
>> time. I am trying out some dirt-drop style handlebars that flare out at the 
>> ends of the drops. Do folks with these bars angle their bar-end shifters so 
>> that they are consistent with the flare of the bars, or do they angle the 
>> shifters so that they are on a plane perpendicular to the ground? I think 
>> they'll shift fine either way. 
>>
>> But I'm wondering if there are any practical considerations for one way 
>> versus the other, in addition to people's opinions on the aesthetics.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Jones H bend bar, Nitto Randonneur bar, Nitto Noodle Bar, Silver DT shifters, Brooks C17s saddle

[Dave Grossman]

Hi Phillip,

I'll take the Jones if its a 710 and 31.8 clamp.

-Dave

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:33:43 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> ibob xpost.
>
> Jones H Bend bar 
>  - $35 
> plus shipping
>
> Nitto Randonneur B135 
>  45cm at 
> drops, 39-40cm at hoods - $25 plus shipping
>
> Nitto Noodle 44cm - $30 plus shipping
>
> Silver shifters, ratchet friction, downtube 
>  - $25 
> shipped
>
> Brooks C17s Saddle (short) natural  
> - $95 
> shipped
>
> Nitto Pearl, 70mm reach, 26.0 clamp 
>  - $45 
> shipped
>
> All parts are almost new. Most of them have come off my fiance's bike 
> after i sold the frame. she probably rode her bike a handful of times.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Don Compton]

Just looking at the Roadini frame from the side, it looks like it has the 
longer chainstays of the Ram vs the Roadeo. The Ram had less room between 
the chain stays ( width) than a Roadeo or many of their current models. I 
bet that the Roadini is a great road bike that can handle today's fat but 
lightweight tires.

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>
> Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a 
> Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) 
> that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
> The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit 
> sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv 
> Road customs. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. 
>> With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat 
>> tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
>>> looming build.
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[RBW] Re: re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

[iamkeith]

My preference for "normal" dirt drops like the WTB and Nitto ones, is 
aligned with the flare of the bar - so rotated a bit from vertical.   Part 
of the reason for the flare is that it more closely mirrors the natural 
angle of your grip.   If you rotate the bar-end shifters vertically, you 
have to rotate your hand back to the un-natural vertical every time you 
shift.  (Well, depending on the position of the lever and which way you're 
shifting, you may not "have to"  rotate your hand, but then it feels 
awakard.)

However, on REALLY wide and flared dirt drops like the Salsa Woodchipper, 
I've decided I don't like bar end shifters at all because they stick out to 
the side too much when installed in this proper alignment.   Every time I 
lean the bike against something, and half of the times when I mount or 
dismount the bike, I end up bumping the shifter into another gear.   

Woodchipper has a long enough grip at the drop part of the bar to not to 
"require" the bar end shifters.   I'm not sure how something like a Midge 
would work, where the grip is too short without the shifter, but people 
seem to adapt.

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>
> This is a small point, but the type of thing that I ponder in my free 
> time. I am trying out some dirt-drop style handlebars that flare out at the 
> ends of the drops. Do folks with these bars angle their bar-end shifters so 
> that they are consistent with the flare of the bars, or do they angle the 
> shifters so that they are on a plane perpendicular to the ground? I think 
> they'll shift fine either way. 
>
> But I'm wondering if there are any practical considerations for one way 
> versus the other, in addition to people's opinions on the aesthetics.
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Tim Gavin]

Yep, I admit that right side leads and left side light mounting requires
more wire wrangling.  But that's just how it is.

I used Shoe Goo to glue the wires to the frame, and it's holding up great.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> It is not recommended to flip, plus my internal routing is on the right
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I had a dream the BLUG was updated about the bike LOL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Belopsky]

It is not recommended to flip, plus my internal routing is on the right

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Re: [RBW] re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

[Tim Gavin]

Jim-

I've pondered this as well.  Any flare makes it impossible to get the
shifters perpendicular; even if they're "straight up and down" when
resting, their action causes them to swing outward.

So, you just do what feels right to you.  I've used Randonneur-type flare
bars, with less than 20 degrees of flare, and just mounted the shifters
orthogonal to the drop ends.  But I've never used massively flared bars
(~45 degree) like Woodchippers or Nitto RM-3's.  I think I'd prefer a
different shifter type (Gevenalle, maybe) on that type of bars.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Jim S.  wrote:

> This is a small point, but the type of thing that I ponder in my free
> time. I am trying out some dirt-drop style handlebars that flare out at the
> ends of the drops. Do folks with these bars angle their bar-end shifters so
> that they are consistent with the flare of the bars, or do they angle the
> shifters so that they are on a plane perpendicular to the ground? I think
> they'll shift fine either way.
>
> But I'm wondering if there are any practical considerations for one way
> versus the other, in addition to people's opinions on the aesthetics.
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Bob B]

I know that with the Sanyo, you can't run the leads on the non-drive side 
because the hub is only built to go in one direction. I'm not sure if you 
can flip the SP or not. For that reason I've either un my lights on the 
drive side, or center mounted on a front rack.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:25:57 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> What are y'all thoughts on which side to run the light on? My SP has the 
> leads on the right, I wanted to run the light on the left, but wiring it 
> that way get's a bit messier and tricky. 
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Re: [RBW] Schmidt Edelux light?

[Patrick Moore]

I have the Edelux I; my switch has 3 positions, starting from the left
(looking forward along the light's beam): Off; Auto; On.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:42 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> The black band with the nub?
> Its an on off switch, if your model is built with it for that.
> No levels of brightness. Just on/off.
> And yes, unless you are in deep darkness, it will never be as bright as
> pictured in the online vendors' pics. And, if like mine, won't be nearly as
> smooth distribution of light. Mine has three fields of light shooting out
> from tge lens. Not a universal flood like pictured on vendors' sites.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Tim Gavin]

Belopsky-

There are different opinions on light placement.

My opinion is the left (non-drive side) is better, because it's more
visible to oncoming traffic and any tire shadow is thrown into the ditch
instead of on to the road.

But I prefer to mount the light high and central if possible.  One of my
bikes has a Luxos on the middle of the handlebar, one has a Luxos on the
front of a Nitto Mark's rack, and one has a Cyo Premium on the left side of
a Nitto M12 rack.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> What are y'all thoughts on which side to run the light on? My SP has the
> leads on the right, I wanted to run the light on the left, but wiring it
> that way get's a bit messier and tricky.
> The Schmidt are on the left so that's not an issue.
>
> I am in America so theres that
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Yep, that's how they come.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the informative responses and recommendations. I assume it’s
>>> logical to run the Dynamo on the front wheel?
>>>
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[RBW] re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

[Jim S.]

This is a small point, but the type of thing that I ponder in my free time. 
I am trying out some dirt-drop style handlebars that flare out at the ends 
of the drops. Do folks with these bars angle their bar-end shifters so that 
they are consistent with the flare of the bars, or do they angle the 
shifters so that they are on a plane perpendicular to the ground? I think 
they'll shift fine either way. 

But I'm wondering if there are any practical considerations for one way 
versus the other, in addition to people's opinions on the aesthetics.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Belopsky]

What are y'all thoughts on which side to run the light on? My SP has the 
leads on the right, I wanted to run the light on the left, but wiring it 
that way get's a bit messier and tricky. 
The Schmidt are on the left so that's not an issue.

I am in America so theres that

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Yep, that's how they come. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Doug H.  > wrote:
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>> Thanks for the informative responses and recommendations. I assume it’s 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Tim Gavin]

Yep, that's how they come.

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Doug H.]

Thanks for the informative responses and recommendations. I assume it’s logical 
to run the Dynamo on the front wheel?

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Belopsky]

That's a good deal for a hub. Shimano also has some really low priced ones: 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xshimano+dynamo.TRS0&_nkw=shimano+dynamo&_sacat=0

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Bob B]

Doug,

A good option for an inexpensive starter dynamo is the Sanyo hub that Peter 
White sells: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/sanyo.php

I've been running on for a little while now on my commuter, which I lock 
outside and don't like to put too much money into. It's been working fine. 
And like most dynamos, it powers my front and rear lights.

Bob
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Doug,
Yes, dynamo hub can power front and rear lights. If you're interested in 
charging battery pack (e.g., phone) while touring, an appropriate dynamo 
hub and accessory plug can do so. 

Shutter Precision hubs are available in "S" designation for 6V/2.4W and "P" 
designation for 6V/3W. How to choose? From Velolumino.com:

> "S" designates the 6V/2.4W version for small wheels. This hub is optimized 
> for the faster rotational speeds of small wheels and generates a full 3W at 
> faster speeds, but is smaller, lighter and has less rotational resistance 
> than the 3W model. It still works fine with larger wheels, and is the 
> recommended hub choice for randonneuring (this is the hub that I have on my 
> 650B camping bike). Compare to the Schmidt SONdelux.
> "P" designates the 6V/3W version for 700C wheels. This hub is designed for 
> slower rotational speeds and is best used for slower, urban cycling or 
> slow, loaded touring on 700C wheels. Compare to the Schmidt SON 28.


Also lots of information on Peter White's page:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/

Good luck!
shoji




On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 9:24:33 AM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>
> Dumb question here but I'm not familiar with Dynamo Hubs. Will one hub 
> power front and rear lights? 
>

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Re: [RBW] 200# Grocery Run

[ascpgh]

I can reach our urban Costco with half the trip on neighborhood streets and 
half on the GAP trail that becomes the sidewalk of the store's property. 
The trip back will curtail one's load acquisitions however, check the 
profile: Bike to Costco 

.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:00:00 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thankfully, not really. We shop at a small family owned grocery, so that 
> helps, and they bring everything out for me, so I don’t need to go in 9too 
> much sensory stimulation for my wimpy brain. I cross Highway 24 (4 lane) 
> and parallel Highway 67 (4-lane) on a MUP. Otherwise it’s all backroads. 
>
> Our Walmart is only accessable to cars via Highway 24, but there is a MUP 
> that accesses it from CR21, and allows me to access eastern Woodland Park 
> for a few errands without minimal interfacing with the highway. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] FS: Jones H bend bar, Nitto Randonneur bar, Nitto Noodle Bar, Silver DT shifters, Brooks C17s saddle

[Philip Kim]

ibob xpost.

Jones H Bend bar 
 - $35 plus 
shipping

Nitto Randonneur B135 
 45cm at 
drops, 39-40cm at hoods - $25 plus shipping

Nitto Noodle 44cm - $30 plus shipping

Silver shifters, ratchet friction, downtube 
 - $25 
shipped

Brooks C17s Saddle (short) natural  
- $95 shipped

Nitto Pearl, 70mm reach, 26.0 clamp 
 - $45 
shipped

All parts are almost new. Most of them have come off my fiance's bike after 
i sold the frame. she probably rode her bike a handful of times.

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[RBW] Re: Summer in Late Autumn on Pikes Peak

[ascpgh]

Very nice. Does seem that every out of the ordinary seasonal day comes in 
the wrapping of significant meteorologic  flux. I always have the feeling 
"we'll have to pay for this" when the unusually nice day comes on an odd 
calendar page for such and the regular weather stomps back. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which the climb up Pikes Peak is wonderful until glimpses of the 50 mph 
> sustained winds, gusting to 80 mph higher up made the choice easy to enjoy 
> the Catamount Reservoirs instead of press on the Glen Cove and summer makes 
> an appearance in late Autumn with balmy weather. If those two seem 
> incompatible, welcome to Colorado. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/summer-in-late-autumn-on-pikes-peak/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Dynamo Hubs

[Doug H.]

Dumb question here but I'm not familiar with Dynamo Hubs. Will one hub 
power front and rear lights? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring 4-7

[Wally Estrella]

I use lobstah mitts just because I'm from Maine ;)  I find them to be a 
good mix between glove/mittens.  the 'naked neighbors' keeping each other 
warm.  Banding together as good neighbors allowing for good dexterity/grip 
on the bars.  Digits 4/5 gripping the bar along w/ 1 and 2/3 doing the 
braking.

I use these mostly for flat bars on the fat bike, but use also them 
comfortablly on the QB w/ noodles.  When it gets into the single digits 
I'll swap over the bar mitts/pogies, well actually 45NRTH Cobrafists,on the 
fat bike.  I just picked up some drop bar Bar Mitts for the noodles-not 
cold enough yet for use of those.







On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 7:53:52 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I don’t understand the need for lobster mitts. I ride single track with 
> mittens all the time and have no problem gripping and braking as needed. 
> Yes, one is always compromised, but in those conditions, if I’m going so 
> fast I need to grip, I’m going too fast anyway. Slow down, and I have no 
> problem gripping and I stay on the road/trail and under control far better. 
> Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

The Roadini is a nice looking bike, and I totally understand the reason to 
go with a sloping top tube.
The other thing Grant didn't say in regards to this model but, the sloping 
top tube allows them to make less frame sizes to fit more people/sell more 
bikes :)

IMO i very much dislike sloping top tubes unless it's a mixte or a 
step-through thing

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Re: [RBW] Schmidt Edelux light?

[lum gim fong]

The black band with the nub?
Its an on off switch, if your model is built with it for that.
No levels of brightness. Just on/off.
And yes, unless you are in deep darkness, it will never be as bright as 
pictured in the online vendors' pics. And, if like mine, won't be nearly as 
smooth distribution of light. Mine has three fields of light shooting out from 
tge lens. Not a universal flood like pictured on vendors' sites.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Then again, maybe you're ready now for sedate and stoutish...

>From what the designer has said several times since the model was 
announced, the Roadini was more or less created to be a less expensive 
alternative to the company's "road bike" model, ie, the Roadeo. I did not 
look to compare the geometries between the Roadini and the Ram, but if you 
are of the J. Heine School of Planing, it may be that, rather than geometry 
differences between the three models, a slightly thicker tubeset, while not 
of any consequence weight-wise, could dampen the "spirited riding" ever so 
little of a bit as to put the Roadini more in the Ram than the Roadeo 
territory in terms of road feel. If so, I suspect that would not affect the 
great majority of people who want a go out for a 20-60 mile fast 
recreational ride type of bike. Especially those who never had a Ram which 
they felt was too sedate.

in 2015 we sketched out a bike with the ride of the roadeo and all the 
qualties a road bike should have. it’s safe, comfortable, good for all 
roads & weather, and fun to ride. this June we’ll have it: the 
italian-sounding roadini. 

*Roadeo vs RoADini *

1. the roadeo has lighter tubes, but roadini’s tubes are light enough. 
they’re our own silver design, but we’ve chopped from the big-butted ends 
to minimize weight. it’s probably slightly stronger than necessary. 

2. the same tire clearances —up to a 35mm with no fenders, and easily a 
28mm w/fenders. 

3. roadini’s chainstays are a hair longer than the roadeo’s (which are 
already longer than most)—so it’s more stable, but still zippy. 

4. the roadini top tube slopes up more, so it’s easier to get the bars 
high. your roadini size is 2-3cm smaller than your roadeo size. 

5. the roadeo frame is made in america and is all lugged, which makes it 
our flagship road bike. the roadini frame is made in taiwan, is tig-welded 
except for a seat lug, weighs a few ounces more, and costs $1,450 less

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:59:16 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>  Are you saying (I want to be very clear) that the Roadini is closer in 
> design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
>  I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit sedate and 
> stoutish 
>

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Re: [RBW] Schmidt Edelux light?

[Peter White]

What band?

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Carla Waugh  wrote:

> Can someone please tell me where to move the band to the brightest?
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[RBW] Schmidt Edelux light?

[Carla Waugh]

Can someone please tell me where to move the band to the brightest?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring 4-7

[Deacon Patrick]

I don’t understand the need for lobster mitts. I ride single track with mittens 
all the time and have no problem gripping and braking as needed. Yes, one is 
always compromised, but in those conditions, if I’m going so fast I need to 
grip, I’m going too fast anyway. Slow down, and I have no problem gripping and 
I stay on the road/trail and under control far better. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Oops I mucked up 'In about 6 wks, by about Dec 10,'

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:44:14 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim - cool decal, but yes quite a tease.  I had corresponded with 
> Will about this bike a while back and have asked for more pics.  At that 
> time he said bikes would be ready end of December.  I can't remember where 
> the Dec 6 date was referenced.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring 4-7

[Deacon Patrick]

Glomitts (gloves with a flip over mitten) make a great under mit for extreme 
cold (-10˚F and below), when you never want much bare skin exposed even when 
you need manual dexterity (but you’ll only have it for 8.3 seconds, so work 
fast!).

In my experience with boiled wool mittens, buy to size. They fit the bars just 
fine (you can also buy the 4-ply with a curl already shaped into them, but I’ve 
never tried this).

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring 4-7

[Kainalu V.]

Lobster those mitts! So much better for biking that way, and you still have the 
warmth benefit of naked neighbors for your fingers. 
Riv content- dangle your fingers in piping hot coffee. But seriously, lobster 
mitts rule!
-Kai 
BK NY

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