[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Collin A]

I've had luck switching the Boscos out with the MAP bars on my 52h. The 
most useful/comfortable position on the Boscos were also the most 
inconvenient, I found. The MAPs makes me less upright, but I have more 
control in and out of the saddle, and feel like I am slightly more 
efficient in my pedaling by using my glutes more than my hamstrings.

I could probably do with 66cm length (what the Riv Wavie is supposed to 
be), rather than the 61.5 though, because I always find myself hanging on 
with the inside of my hands on the very ends of the bars.

>
Good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Philip Williamson]

Yes!
Chalo Colina FTW. 

Thanks for that link down memory lane.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Ash]

However, I'll say that every time i try something OTHER than the boscos 
> (including and especially the billie), i realize how much I actually like 
> the bosco, and end up putting it back on. 
>

I'm on the same boat!

In last couple of months I have tried 4 other bars (some multiple times) 
and settled back with 58cm Bosco.   

Other than various Riv handlebars, I have also tried Jones and Open bar. 
 Personally I like open bar better than Jones.  

Bosco is now my everyday bar.  Will swap to open bar if any ride comes up 
that'll involve a lot of rough patches.

I did not enjoy Boscos initially until I got the correct size stem (11cm 
Tallux).   Somehow, the Ergon cork grip (which I had liked on all other 
bars) does not work well with Bosco.  Round grips feel perfect for this 
bar. 

I'm guessing the stock Clem build is intended to make it a general 
purpose/utility bike.  Stem length tweaks aside, Tallux/Bosco combo is 
great for such bikes.  I remember reading Grant making an argument in favor 
of quill stems.  He says that they are better at reducing vibrations.   
IMO, considerable micro flexing is inherent in Tallux and Bosco designs. 
 It is quite noticeable how much vibrations this combo absorbs.  With 
Bosco, I do not feel any numbness in wrist after full day's ride.   Of 
course, the downside of flexiness is that they are not suitable for rough 
tracks.



On Wednesday, 5 September 2018 21:44:05 UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I got a 59cm clem frame as soon as it was released and have had a similar 
> love/frustration experience as yours ever since.  One one hand, it's the 
> bike that seems most appropriate most of the time and is what i most want 
> to ride. But there have been a few nagging setup issues.  After changing 
> the build multiple times, the one i still haven't resolved to satisfaction 
> is that of the handlebars.  However, I'll say that every time i try 
> something OTHER than the boscos (including and especially the billie), i 
> realize how much I actually like the bosco, and end up putting it back on.  
>
> I have the aluminum 58cm version on a 130mm negative rise technomic stem 
> because i wanted to get them as low as possible.   I'm actually able to 
> take advantage of all that real estate because my stem allows me to angle 
> the ends significantly downward.  But they're still not quite far enough 
> away even then, and my one big, deal-killer complaint is with their 
> flexiness.  Standing or sprinting or trying to throw the bike around on 
> rough terrain is truly frustrating and sometimes even scarry to me.  If the 
> flex doesn't bother you, the billie might be worth trying, but I'll tell 
> you right now that it's just as flexy AND even narrower.
>
> My plan is to try the steel bull moose version next, even though it would 
> raise the bars more than i want.  If it eliminates the flex, I'll adapt to 
> the height and be content.  If not, I'll break down and do what others here 
> have suggested:  go for the sure-fired solution of putting a jones loop or, 
> maybe, a surly open bar on it.  The only reason i've fought against going 
> that route is because so many others of my bikes - including my Jones 
> itself - already have them.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52-cm Clem-L

[Joe Bernard]

I strongly recommend getting some sunlit pics. I've seen that color in sunlight 
and it really pops to almost a completely different shade of blue. Gorgeous 
bike. 

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[RBW] front rack bag for a 54ram. what do people here like.

[bo richardson]

and decaleur?

thanks

bo

anyone have something good they would part with?
have a few trade goods

thanks again

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52-cm Clem-L

[Alan H]

Okay folks, here is a link to pictures of the bike.

52cm Clem-L 




On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 12:56:26 PM UTC-7, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I need to sell my wife's Clem-L. Size 52 in the greenish-bluish-tealish 
> color from a couple of years back. It has the curved seat stays. 
>
> Bought it for her because I thought she'd appreciate the greater stability 
> associated with the long wheelbase. I was wrong, she doesn't like the 
> overall largeness of the frame. On the other hand she loves my 45cm Clem-H. 
> Go figure.
>
> The bike has less than 100 miles on it. Stock build except for Ergon GC1 
> grips, a Greenfield kickstand with boot, and no saddle (the stock saddle 
> was truly horrific and my wife wants to keep the Brooks C17S that's on 
> there now). I'm asking $900. Send me a message if you're interested.
>
> I'm located in Orange County, CA and I would prefer a local sale but I'd 
> be willing to arrange shipping if necessary. 
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Alan
>
> p.s. - I'll try to post some pics tonight. 
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Mark Schneider]

Ocean Air cycles sells the 
Erlen Saddle Bag Support rack.
Unfortunately sold out for now, a Tubus Fly would work as well as your 
other choices. 

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 2:07:19 PM UTC-7, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> I have a Nigel Smythe Country Bag which I want to provide support for, in 
> some sort of specific ways:
>
>- I want to keep the bag snugged up to the saddle, so the rack needs 
>to adjust to different heights 
>- I don’t want the bag to sit on top of any tombstone/load-stopper, so 
>the rack also needs to adjust back to front. 
>- I want to use the mid seat stay braze-ons, not the ones on the 
>dropouts.  
>
>  
>
> I was originally planning on using a Mark’s Rack, but I’m also considering 
> a Nitto R-14, and now I’m even wondering about the Pletscher Clem.  Has 
> anyone configured it this way?
>
>  
>
> I like the idea of the Mark’s rack, being small and swappable to the front 
> of the bike (I use a Rando bag on my other bike), but it’s out of stock 
> everywhere.  The R-14 is a little big for what I need, but not unreasonably 
> so.  The Pletscher is significantly bigger, but also cheaper and stronger 
> and has more options for carrying stuff.  I don’t carry much in the bag and 
> will mostly keep it attached to the seat and rack, but I’m willing to swap 
> out for a different rack if I ever need to carry more.  The Pletscher could 
> potentially fill both roles by changing the configuration when/if needed.  
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> -Eric
>

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[RBW] FS: Magical brass brake bits/boops

[Meade Anderson]

Very niceso I guess they will a standard canti brake (more than Paul’s)?

Thanks...

Meade...

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Justin, Oakland]

I think it ends it
_’S SON

-J

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[RonaTD]

LOUIS WENTBOSS

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 9:26:32 AM UTC-5, alford wrote:
>
>
> OL BISON LUGS WEST
>
> Interesting to see so many variations.
>
> John
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Brewster Fong]

Yup, Jobst was before the 650b (584mm) craze. He developed the Avocet 
Fasgrip 700x28 (28-622) clincher and had the best cornering shot ever!


Good Luck! 

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 4:03:56 PM UTC-7, William deRosset 
wrote:
>
> Dear Patrick,
>
> Jobst was an early and vocal proponent of 28-622 clinchers, specifically 
> the nicer slick-tire Avocets. Once those came available (he was involved in 
> their testing and promotion), he was no longer riding (wider) tubulars and 
> advocated for the continuation of the MA-2 rim extrusions, full 
> ferrules/eyelets, and 36° 3X builds for 700C sporting use (he recommended 
> 32° for 559 rims). I don't know where he would have landed on the current 
> wide-tire movement/craze. He also had a reductionist approach (if it cannot 
> be measured conveniently it doesn't exist) and was a cranky-sounding dude 
> in his online persona.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Jeremy Till]

Also, and a bit more extensive: 

https://yarchive.net/bike/index.html 

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 4:08:06 PM UTC-7, William deRosset 
wrote:
>
> Dear Patrick et al,
>
> For reference:
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/index.html
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-6, William deRosset 
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Patrick,
>>
>> Jobst was an early and vocal proponent of 28-622 clinchers, specifically 
>> the nicer slick-tire Avocets. Once those came available (he was involved in 
>> their testing and promotion), he was no longer riding (wider) tubulars and 
>> advocated for the continuation of the MA-2 rim extrusions, full 
>> ferrules/eyelets, and 36° 3X builds for 700C sporting use (he recommended 
>> 32° for 559 rims). I don't know where he would have landed on the current 
>> wide-tire movement/craze. He also had a reductionist approach (if it cannot 
>> be measured conveniently it doesn't exist) and was a cranky-sounding dude 
>> in his online persona.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Will
>> William M. deRosset
>> Fort Collins, CO
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Magical brass brake bits/boops

[sameness]

Ordered and excited to try on my Paul Neo-Retros!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] PSA - Red AHH

[J Imler]

I've seen this bike myself at the local hardware store. It reminded me of 
Christmas. One of a kind as far as I know.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/rivendell-l2010-homer-hilson/6696038166.html

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud fender installation questions

[Brian Campbell]

I did not know Berthoud made different lengths.I got mine from Peter WHite 
Cycles.  My Berthoud's were shorter than a pairs of VO or Honjo long 
fenders I have installed. You can install, ride and then see. Ben's cycles 
sells individual fender stays if you need just one.

As for 700c, I am of the opinion tha a conversion almost always includes a 
compromise. The bike was designed for 700c wheels and it will perform its 
best being used how it was designed to be used. Just an opinion and nothing 
against 650b.

We live in relatively the same area ( I am in SE PA) and my ridng over the 
last 15 years went from skinny tire road bike, to fat tired road bike and I 
have landed at meduim tire road 32mm or 35mm tire) bikes for the following 
reasons;

I primarily ride paved roads. I don't need massive tires for comfort.
I don't like the way tires that are too big feel. Subjective, yes but I 
like a bit of road feel. Earsing it is not my primary goal.
I don't carry big loads. Even when I have done 200k rando events, I fit 
everthing I needed in an Acorn seat bag. I travel light because to me, it 
is more fun.
I don't like to carry unneccesaary weight. It makes riding less fun.

Allof this is just an opinion and not meant to make anyone in the group 
irrate!

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:23:19 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> 2nd qustion for Brian:
> Were the fenders  the short or long version that didn;t need a front end 
> stabilizer? 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Magical brass brake bits/boops

[Justin, Oakland]

Ordered and excited to try on my Paul Racers!

-J

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[William deRosset]

Dear Patrick et al,

For reference:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/index.html
Best Regards,

Will


On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-6, William deRosset 
wrote:
>
> Dear Patrick,
>
> Jobst was an early and vocal proponent of 28-622 clinchers, specifically 
> the nicer slick-tire Avocets. Once those came available (he was involved in 
> their testing and promotion), he was no longer riding (wider) tubulars and 
> advocated for the continuation of the MA-2 rim extrusions, full 
> ferrules/eyelets, and 36° 3X builds for 700C sporting use (he recommended 
> 32° for 559 rims). I don't know where he would have landed on the current 
> wide-tire movement/craze. He also had a reductionist approach (if it cannot 
> be measured conveniently it doesn't exist) and was a cranky-sounding dude 
> in his online persona.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[William deRosset]

Dear Patrick,

Jobst was an early and vocal proponent of 28-622 clinchers, specifically 
the nicer slick-tire Avocets. Once those came available (he was involved in 
their testing and promotion), he was no longer riding (wider) tubulars and 
advocated for the continuation of the MA-2 rim extrusions, full 
ferrules/eyelets, and 36° 3X builds for 700C sporting use (he recommended 
32° for 559 rims). I don't know where he would have landed on the current 
wide-tire movement/craze. He also had a reductionist approach (if it cannot 
be measured conveniently it doesn't exist) and was a cranky-sounding dude 
in his online persona.

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

>
>

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Patrick Moore]

I don't think there are any ramblings. I've perused his old posts pretty
extensively and have seen nothing by him on this subject; and I've seen no
photo of him riding anything except a road bike with skinny tubulars. I'd
be very surprised if 650B even registered with him; he was so much a part
of the old-style steel and toe clip roadie school, and rode his 700C X 23
mm tubulars off road all over Northern California and all over the Alps; I
expect he'd have looked at you in wonder and skepticism if you'd suggested
that he try 650B.

If anyone can show otherwise, I'd be happy to know about it.

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> Anyone know of any of his ramblings on the subject?
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[RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Anyone know of any of his ramblings on the subject?

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud fender installation questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

2nd qustion for Brian:
Were the fenders  the short or long version that didn;t need a front end 
stabilizer? 

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud fender installation questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

@Brian: Why would you go back to 700c? Any specific reasons? I am looking 
for reasons to do this.

I have thought that maybe since the bike was designed around 700c I might 
try it again and see how I like it. I have extra 700c wheels to pop in 
there. 

@aspgh:  My 650b H50's wont fit betweixt chainstays without bending.

Thinking I could go back to 70c x 32 and 700c x 40 Berthoud fenders as he 
rates them for tires up to 32mm.
Peter White says 700 x 50 is better to be safe.
But if Gilles says 40, I am good with that. I would probably like the 
slenderer fender look better anyway.
My 42mm tires and H50 Honjos are looking huge. 

The only challenge will be the clearance under sidepulls on the fork.
I used to have Paul centerpulls on a Bleriot and then changed to R559 and 
don;t recall any better vertical clearance over the P45 I had on that bike.

But this is a 700c bike which will have 700c wheelset and 700c fender set. 
Things may be more spacious.
I really like the 700c ride of my Roadeo.
I can;t remember if I could tell any diffs in the Ram when I 650b converted 
it.
main reason was to have widest tires poss on it.
But 32's are wide enough I am finding with the Roadeo.
So I may go back to 700c on the Ram.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell World Headquarters Visit

[Doug Bloch]

I stop by Riv HQ every 4-5 months on my way through town.  It is always a 
pleasure.  Everyone is great to talk with and the bikes of course are 
beautiful to admire and ride.  The place oozes a love of bikes!

Doug Bloch
Alameda CA USA

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 12:22:33 AM UTC-7, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Today my girlfriend, Megan, and I took a trip to Walnut Crick and visited 
> RWB World Headquarters. She'd been eyeing a Sage Sam or a Forest Green Clem 
> Jr, and ended up settling on a Clem with the help of Will and Grant. 
>
> All in all a great visit. Got to see the new MTB fork in the flesh (I'm 
> not sure it was just me, but I thought you could see through the top blade 
> segment; you can't it's just the same colour as the background in the 
> Blug). 
>
> A highlight was when we went on a test ride, her on the Clem and me on a 
> new AHH. Inexplicably the Homer got a front flat about half way through the 
> ride. But a quick call to Will and Grant came out and swapped out the Homer 
> for a new Atlantis. Two test bike rides for one! Later on Will said he 
> couldn't remember anyone ever getting a flat on a test ride, so maybe I'm 
> that lucky?
>
> After that, details of Megan's Clem were settled on and what not. I've 
> attached a picture of her and Grant discussing bar tape wrapping options 
> and configurations. Meanwhile I talked with Henry and Vince briefly and 
> swapped SF dirt rides with Will. 
>
> On the way back, Megan remarked how great it is that we are so close to 
> RWB and asked if it's just dumb luck. It's her first bike as an adult, and 
> she very happy with her choice. I own/have own a number of Riv bikes, but 
> maybe I take for granted a little bit how lucky it is that they're so 
> close. It's truly a unique business with unique individuals and a strong 
> community backing it. It is definitely fun to be a part of that community. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell World Headquarters Visit

[Virgil Staphbeard]

Cool spoke nipples! 

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:22:33 AM UTC-4, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Today my girlfriend, Megan, and I took a trip to Walnut Crick and visited 
> RWB World Headquarters. She'd been eyeing a Sage Sam or a Forest Green Clem 
> Jr, and ended up settling on a Clem with the help of Will and Grant. 
>
> All in all a great visit. Got to see the new MTB fork in the flesh (I'm 
> not sure it was just me, but I thought you could see through the top blade 
> segment; you can't it's just the same colour as the background in the 
> Blug). 
>
> A highlight was when we went on a test ride, her on the Clem and me on a 
> new AHH. Inexplicably the Homer got a front flat about half way through the 
> ride. But a quick call to Will and Grant came out and swapped out the Homer 
> for a new Atlantis. Two test bike rides for one! Later on Will said he 
> couldn't remember anyone ever getting a flat on a test ride, so maybe I'm 
> that lucky?
>
> After that, details of Megan's Clem were settled on and what not. I've 
> attached a picture of her and Grant discussing bar tape wrapping options 
> and configurations. Meanwhile I talked with Henry and Vince briefly and 
> swapped SF dirt rides with Will. 
>
> On the way back, Megan remarked how great it is that we are so close to 
> RWB and asked if it's just dumb luck. It's her first bike as an adult, and 
> she very happy with her choice. I own/have own a number of Riv bikes, but 
> maybe I take for granted a little bit how lucky it is that they're so 
> close. It's truly a unique business with unique individuals and a strong 
> community backing it. It is definitely fun to be a part of that community. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Magical brass brake bits/boops

[tc]

Super idea!  I remember the article - made sense to me.  The smaller gauge 
der. cable is strong enough, but has none of the built-in 'bow' (caused by 
stiffness of the thicker cable), so there's no slack to take up when 
initiating braking.  Looking fwd to trying this out and comparing.  Thanks!

Tom

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Re: [RBW] FS: Shimano CX50 Cantilever Brakes, Nitto Front Rack Model Martin-pêcheur (cantilever rack), Nitto Long cable hanger

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

BUMP Still have the Cantis also realized I can't use my Silver Shimano 
Mountain Brake Levers (the ones riv sell)(currently sold out) with my new 
brakes so those are $20 shipped if anyone wants them.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 7:43:53 PM UTC-7, gabriel luke thompson 
aspinwall wrote:
>
> Cable hanger sold

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[RBW] Re: FS: Magical brass brake bits/boops

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Per a lister's sage advice I also made a boop "add-on" line item so you're 
not paying shipping twice for multiple sets...



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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Sam Hillborne, dark orange

[tc]

Will consider trade and +/- $ for a 58 hunq, 700c, with diagatube in good 
condition.  

Tom

On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 8:13:57 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> $1600 + my cost to have it professionally packed and shipped to you via 
> bike flights
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Jon BALER]

I have the Nitto R-10, and was able to use the seat stay rack mounts on my 
XL frame (Salsa Marrakesh).

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:47:34 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's a really nice bag. I have a medium Nitto Big Rear Rack for sale 
> around here somewhere. Asking $160 shipped, but I'm easily talked down on 
> parts sales. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>

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[RBW] WTB: mtb brake levers, short pull

[Joe Bernard]

Got em. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end brake levers on Albastache?

[Jon BALER]

I have bar-end shifters with normal road levers on my albastache bars, and 
have no issues.

Jon
Ellicott City, MD

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 10:49:57 AM UTC-4, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Yes, I went with the 23.8mm Porteur and installed the levers without 
> issue. Will keep the Dirt Drop in mind should I get the itch to experiment 
> further...
>
> Fortunately, from today's initial ride, the Porteur (exactly as in 
> yesterday's pics) seems to have hit the sweet spot!
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 5:20 AM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>I can't tell exactly the reach/height of your stem as shown, but a 
>> stem with more rise, like a Dirt Drop will certainly offer more height so 
>> you could keep the bar.  
>>
>>The VO Porteur offers 40mm more rise, if that is indeed enough, I 
>> assume you are aware that they come in 22.2 or 23.8 ?  With a 23.8 the bar 
>> end levers you have will fit perfectly. 
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[RBW] The origins of bar-end shifters and other mysteries

[Jan Heine]

Many of us love bar-end shifters, but little is known about the history of 
these handy little things.

On the blog today, we're looking at one of those fascinating mysteries of 
cycling history: Why did 22 racers switch to bar-end shifters DURING the 
1949 Tour de France? And why did they use only one bar-end shifter, to 
control the front derailleur, but kept their downtube lever to operate the 
rear derailleur?

Aldo Ross dove into his collection of sepia-tone magazines, we scoured the 
*Bicycle 
Quarterly* archives, and we solved this mystery as much as it can be solved 
almost 70 years after the fact. Head to the blog to read about this and 
other mysteries from cycling's rich history.

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/09/12/international-mysteries-of-cycling-history/

Enjoy!

Jan Heine
Editor-in-Chief
Bicycle Quarterly
Seattle, WA, USA
www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

You should come Deborah!  

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 11:27:12 AM UTC-4, Deborah Coffin wrote:
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> This sounds so fun. I’m so tempted to join you.

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[RBW] Re: New Breeks and Old Leaves

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ginz, I chose tweed. There is a thin, slick nylon (acitate?) lining on the 
front of the leg only, full length. They can also use a thin cotton (same as 
pockets, less slick) and I plan on asking if they can use a thin worsted wool 
as well. The lining makes motion very smooth, even when damp.
I’m unsure how no lining would work, but presume that is also possible on 
request.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Joe Bernard]

That's a really nice bag. I have a medium Nitto Big Rear Rack for sale around 
here somewhere. Asking $160 shipped, but I'm easily talked down on parts sales. 

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Tom Wyland]

I think the correct rack (or bag support thing) will be driven by the 
distance between the seat loops and the desired bottom of the bag.  Where 
is that plane compared to the upper rack eyelet level?  Also think about 
how close the bag bottom should be to the seatpost and if you'll have rub 
on your brake cable (especially cantis). A tombstone will either helpful or 
just get in the way. It's hard to say for sure, but that should get you 
started.

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[RBW] Re: New Breeks and Old Leaves

[Ginz]

Patrick,

Which fabric did you choose?  Are they lined in the leg? Very interested to 
hear how these wear over time.  I love the idea.

-Ginz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end brake levers on Albastache?

[Tully Lanter]

Yes, I went with the 23.8mm Porteur and installed the levers without issue.
Will keep the Dirt Drop in mind should I get the itch to experiment
further...

Fortunately, from today's initial ride, the Porteur (exactly as in
yesterday's pics) seems to have hit the sweet spot!

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 5:20 AM Garth  wrote:

>
>
>I can't tell exactly the reach/height of your stem as shown, but a stem
> with more rise, like a Dirt Drop will certainly offer more height so you
> could keep the bar.
>
>The VO Porteur offers 40mm more rise, if that is indeed enough, I
> assume you are aware that they come in 22.2 or 23.8 ?  With a 23.8 the bar
> end levers you have will fit perfectly.
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[RBW] Re: FS: levers + Nitto bars; WTB: brakes + dyno wheel + lights

[Tully Lanter]

Wheel and lights tentatively taken care of, too.

Meanwhile, here  are photos of the handlebars. 
Note that the large scratches-/gouge-looking spots on the Noodle bar are 
just aluminum tape that I haven't totally removed yet.

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 10:10:58 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> A few things to unload and others to pick up. First, for sale:
>
> - Nitto Noodle bars, 46cm. Came with my Quickbeam, and they're nice, but 
> not upright enough. $35 + shipping. 
> - Nitto Albastache bars. Recently purchased used, also nice, but still not 
> upright enough. $40 + shipping. 
> - Cane Creek(?) aero brake levers with black hoods. Much older but work 
> well and feel good. Just switched to inverse levers. $15 + shipping. 
>
> Will update with photos next chance I get. Would guess at most $15 to ship 
> the bars in the lower 48 and $5 for the levers. 
>
>
> Meanwhile, I'd love to pick up:
>
> - Cantilever brakes, preferably a pair, but I only urgently need one for 
> the rear. 
> - A front wheel with a 700c, QR, 6V3W dynamo hub and ample braking surface 
> left. Compatible front and rear lights are definitely of interest, too! 
>
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[RBW] WTB: mtb brake levers, short pull

[Joe Bernard]

If you have old Shimano brake/shift levers for 7-speed with functional 
shifters, I'll take those. That's what it came with, but no amount of 
de-gunking was able to save them. 

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[RBW] WTB: mtb brake levers, short pull

[Joe Bernard]

Got a Bianchi Project 5 (early attempt at 29er) I'm trying to finish up on the 
cheap. Whatcha got?

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[alford]

OL BISON LUGS WEST

Interesting to see so many variations.

John

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[RBW] Re: FS: Soma San Marcos - Size 54

[RDS]

I should have mentioned in my original post ... 650b wheel size for this 
frame.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 7:52:56 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> Soma San Marcos size 54 - Frame, Fork, Headset (FSA).  I am the 2nd owner 
> (I think) and the first owner did not ride the bike.  I probably rode it 
> less than 20 miles.  Frame is in good shape.  A couple of paint nicks that 
> you can see in the pics. $500 + shipping by BikeFlights or ShipBikes.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nimNFoZwJVF861Y2TctQC3xLj08cgzPu?usp=sharing
>
> Contact me off list.  Paypal friends and family for payment.
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

HaHA!  Yes, this is a tweed one.  It's sort of a mediocre bag compared to 
what is out there today such as the Acorns or Sackvilles, etc, but's it the 
bag I have, it works fine for what I need, and I still love the look of 
it.  But I think it would look better supported by a rack, along these 
lines instead of dangling:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f0/30/cb/f030cb64760fed7ebdb63cc32952fed5.jpg

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc300-joelsolomon0507.html  



I did consider selling this bag to fund a Sackville or Zimbale, but I 
decided I'd rather tinker with this one to add some interior pockets and 
maybe a stiffener.  If I need something bigger or more waterproof someday, 
I'll get it when I know what I need rather than guessing about it now.

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:24:33 AM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> One word... TWEED.   
>
>

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[RBW] WTT: 60cm canti-Saluki

[C.J. Filip]

Kind of testing the waters here, but would like to trade 60cm canitlever 
Saluki for a like-sized Legolas (57-59cm).  

The Saluki is black with the cursive decals.  Earlier edition without 
kickstand plate.  Trade would include F/F/HS/wheels, maybe other bits (like 
Compass/Rene Herse crank) depending.

Inquiries welcome for trades only.  Not looking to sell unless I can find a 
Legolas.

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Joe Bernard]

Correctamundo. I think a built-up bike is due after the weekend. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Tom Wyland]

One word... TWEED.   

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Lum Gim Fong]

Sackvilles come with stiffner, even better.
You could get a pretty penny for the Smythe to help fund the Sackville, too. 
Just an idea. Thinking outside the box. Why have weight of s rack unless really 
needed? And the I don’t think the Nittos are rated for any heavy weights anyway.
Of course, I understand aesthetics play alot into decision making. So depends 
which bags you like the looks of better.

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[RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[EasyRider]

I really like the sackville trunksack small. It carries a lot more than I 
would've thought, but it's hard to make it heavy, even full. I use mine to 
carry life's doodads ... snacks, wallet, keys, phone, tools, hardware store 
errands, camera, all that stuff at the same time. I pair it with a small 
carradice saddle bag if I'm commuting and need to take a change of clothes. It 
comes on and off a small front rack very easily but it is also the most secure 
front bag I've ever used.

I also use and enjoy the swift ozette on a low trail bike, and a basket and 
medium shopsack on another. Those bags are better for commutes that include a 
beer run, but the trunksack is better for traveling light or when the handlebar 
situation makes a basket or randonneur bag difficult to fit. 

Pete
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Lum Gim Fong]

Are the Smythe bags waterproof like Sackvilles?
I thought I heard they are not. If that is true, why not get a Sackville? They 
don’t need a rack (so less weight/less failure points) and you can put a 
coroplast stiffner on the bottom to keep it flat.

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Tom Wyland]

There is also the Nitto R-10, if you don't mind attaching to your seatpost. 
It allows the rack to snug up a little higher if you have lots of seat post 
exposed. It requires mid-seat-stay mounting points and doesn't have a 
taillight mount. It also doesn't have to sit level, which might be an 
advantage.

Tom


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[RBW] Re: Bar-end brake levers on Albastache?

[Garth]

   I can't tell exactly the reach/height of your stem as shown, but a stem with 
more rise, like a Dirt Drop will certainly offer more height so you could keep 
the bar.  

   The VO Porteur offers 40mm more rise, if that is indeed enough, I assume you 
are aware that they come in 22.2 or 23.8 ?  With a 23.8 the bar end levers you 
have will fit perfectly. 

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[RBW] Re: New Breeks and Old Leaves

[Steve Butcher]

Looks like you're shaping up to a lovely Autumn, Patrick.  I always the 
enjoy the practicality and applicability of your reviews.  Kind of got me 
wanting a set of these breeks for colder weather.  Would be much better 
than my denim jeans, I would think.  

-doc

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 3:52:16 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which leaves turn early, and tweed breeks arrive and I give initial 
> impressions.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/new-breeks-and-old-leaves/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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[RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Belopsky]

I dont know if this helps but my partner's Cheviot rides a lot better with 
just a rear load than also a basket up front


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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Belopsky]

We haven't seen photos of the built samples due to the fork muckup?

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 I was going good for a while till I realized a couple letters had fallen 
off my desk or gone up my sleeve somewhere. 

BONUS IT SOGS WELL
BOGUS LOINS WELTS
BLUES SONG T'IS LOW
BULLS GOOSE TWINS
USE BOWLING SLOTS
SWOLLEN BOG SUITS
SNOW BULGE SO SLIT
BULLS STOOGE WINS

I really like any of these a lot for a bicycle name. All of the above work 
47% better if you add an ! or even !!
Try it! Bulls Goose Twins!!  

My best, though, unlike my other examples, it is not a great bike name, is

STOLEN BLUGS IS OW!

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 9:06:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> I came up with:
>
> WILSON BOG TUSSLE
> WOOL LUNGS IS BEST
> WOOL STEIN BULGES
> U BIG SWOLLEN TOSS
> TOSSING OWL BLUES
> GOT WILSONS BLUES
> SON GUILTS BOWELS
>
> None of these sound appealing at all. I'll stop now.
>
> Bob E. 
> Cranford, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Drew Henson]

i'm on the pre-order for the MIT AHH and it will be my primary commuter, 
and plan on setting it up like Grant's AHH as shown on the staff bike page- 
Mark's rack with basket on the front and pletscher rear rack and medium 
saddlesack  on the back. this should easily handle my typical load (change 
of clothes + lunch + tools). if i need a heavier load i'll just use 
panniers on the rear. i suspect i wouldn't like a heavy front load handling 
based on my experience with a front load on a surly lht I used to have. 
never felt quite right.

my current commuter is an elephant nfe which is low trail. it handles a 
front load beautifully unless i go too heavy. then i get a shimmy at high 
speed and that's a whole other ball of wax.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 9:39:45 PM UTC-7, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> I think Rivendells in general handle better with a rear load bias. They 
> have a high trail front end geometry, at least the older HH's did. Low 
> trail bikes with 60-70mm of fork rake only handle well with a front end 
> load. It's really a difference between French and English bike geometry 
> preference, or Jan Heine vs Grant Petersen if you prefer. That said, I run 
> my Homer with light loads on the front and it doesn't feel too bad,(no 
> where near 10 lbs.) The combination of a banasax up front with a small or 
> medium saddle sack in the rear,  works great for long day rides.
>
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 8:53:09 AM UTC-7, Jamo. wrote:
>>
>> I am in the market for a rack for my Hilsen.  It would be light loads, 
>> 10lbs max, and I want to run a basket on it.  I figured people here would 
>> have advice/opinions on front vs rear loads on the Hilsen, and maybe even a 
>> specific rack recommendation.
>>
>

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[RBW] Rolling Coal On That Coastal Stallion

[Neil Doran]

Congrats good Sir, and a very fine bike! It chagrins me to learn that ‘coal’ is 
‘rolled’ on the Oregon coast, as I thought that 1) ‘coal’ was ‘rolled’ only 
east of the mighty Mississippi, and 2) that the OR coast was the realm of 
virtuous drivers, copious hiker-biker camping, and ‘live and let live’ 
mentality. And good ice cream. Thank you for the education, and ride on!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell World Headquarters Visit

[Neil Doran]

Wow, looks like the showroom is chock full o bikes! Lots of happy 
soon-to-be-Riv-owners!

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