[RBW] Re: Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[Philip Williamson]

All this yes. 
Nine speed is where I've been for a long time, and just jumped to 11sp on 
some bikes. Larger 11sp cassettes fit on 9sp (8/9/10) hubs, because the 
biggest cog is dished. You'll be fine for a long time. 10sp doesn't offer 
me anything, but 11sp cassettes are actually nice. I like wide range 
chainrings, and narrow-range cassettes, or at least close-spaced mid-high 
gears. I mostly settled on 9sp gear because my dingle fixed setups need the 
narrow chain, if that's worth anything (more like a warning). 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> On the hub question, 8/9/10 speed cassettes all fit the same hubs.  With 
> the amount of 9 & 10 speed stuff around, those hubs will be useful for a 
> long time.
>
> As to the number of cogs, based on your experience with 10 speed you may 
> want to stick to 8 or 9.  6/7/8 all take the same chain, and 9 isn't too 
> much skinnier. While 7 & 8 are hard to find on the shelf at bike shops, 
> there's lots on the internet.  7 is still used by OEMs in underdeveloped 
> countries so will be with us forever.  With a simple spacer 7 can be used 
> on some 8/9/10 hub bodies.  Enough stuff was produced with 9 speed that 
> there will be a decent supply for a long time.
>
> The Atlantis being a touring, commuting & general purpose bike I'd suggest 
> a wide range cassette & triple, but my bias here is what I've got on my 
> Atlantis.  As I get older, my chainrings get smaller. Several years ago I 
> settled on 24/34/44 in front.  I use the 12-34 8 speed Sunrace cassette 
> that Steve mentions.  My shifters are some vintage Suntour thumbies with 
> the ratchet mechanism (think 80s MTB) but I'm waiting for the new Silver2 
> shifters that Rivendell is working on.  Rivendell uses the 12-36 9 speed on 
> a lot of builds.  
>
> Regarding hubs, my Atlantis came with XTR cassette hub in 2003.  16 years 
> later it's still going strong.  Service consists of greasing the bearings & 
> pumping fresh Phil's oil into the hub ever couple of years.  I lost track 
> of mileage at 70,000.  
>
> Since you're building an Atlantis, I have to comment on brakes.  Long 
> story short, I've found V-brakes work wonderfully and are easy to install.  
> I have used a couple of cantilevers but IME the Vs are much more user 
> friendly, both installation & function.  They are out of the way of bags.  
> Mine are a generic Shimano (no other ID) & cost around $30 each a while 
> back.  
>
> Have fun with the build, & post pics when complete.
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 5:08:52 PM UTC-8, Lefebeaver wrote:
>>
>> I bought myself an Atlantis frame last fall and am building it up slowly 
>> over winter. I've been riding a Novara gravel bike for the past 3 years, my 
>> first exposure to a 21st century bike with discs, 10-spd index shifting, 
>> yada yada. Except I'm not real impressed with any of it - the harsh ride, 
>> the disc brakes or the 10-spd cassette.  I can make rim brakes stop much 
>> better than these discs, and the index shifting has been very finicky - it 
>> even seems temperature dependent (!) - the whole system seems very delicate 
>> compared to the bombproof 7-speed Deore thumbies on my venerable 
>> Stumpjumper. I've also broken 2 chains in 2 years. I'm a big guy and I've 
>> always broken stuff on bikes, but this is ridiculous. So my philosophy on 
>> these things is happily in line with Grant's - keep it simple and robust, 
>> and don't shave weight at the cost of reliability. With regard to gears, he 
>> has said "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, but ten is too 
>> many". I'd be perfectly happy to go with a 7 or 8 speed, friction or 
>> friction-capable gear system with a heavy-duty chain and solid shifting, 
>> but I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or 
>> 8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon. Since I'm having 
>> a set of sturdy wheels built for this bike and I'm told the hub choice 
>> depends on cassette choice, I need to decide soon on what hubs to use. So I 
>> guess my question is twofold - how locked into a cassette size will I be 
>> with a given choice of hub; and are high quality 8-spd cassettes likely to 
>> remain available for the next, say, 10-15 years? 
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Grilver Roadini 57cm w/ Campy Parts

[Doug Bloch]

That sounds like a beautiful build. Hopefully you can post some pictures!

Doug

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[dougP]

On the hub question, 8/9/10 speed cassettes all fit the same hubs.  With 
the amount of 9 & 10 speed stuff around, those hubs will be useful for a 
long time.

As to the number of cogs, based on your experience with 10 speed you may 
want to stick to 8 or 9.  6/7/8 all take the same chain, and 9 isn't too 
much skinnier. While 7 & 8 are hard to find on the shelf at bike shops, 
there's lots on the internet.  7 is still used by OEMs in underdeveloped 
countries so will be with us forever.  With a simple spacer 7 can be used 
on some 8/9/10 hub bodies.  Enough stuff was produced with 9 speed that 
there will be a decent supply for a long time.

The Atlantis being a touring, commuting & general purpose bike I'd suggest 
a wide range cassette & triple, but my bias here is what I've got on my 
Atlantis.  As I get older, my chainrings get smaller. Several years ago I 
settled on 24/34/44 in front.  I use the 12-34 8 speed Sunrace cassette 
that Steve mentions.  My shifters are some vintage Suntour thumbies with 
the ratchet mechanism (think 80s MTB) but I'm waiting for the new Silver2 
shifters that Rivendell is working on.  Rivendell uses the 12-36 9 speed on 
a lot of builds.  

Regarding hubs, my Atlantis came with XTR cassette hub in 2003.  16 years 
later it's still going strong.  Service consists of greasing the bearings & 
pumping fresh Phil's oil into the hub ever couple of years.  I lost track 
of mileage at 70,000.  

Since you're building an Atlantis, I have to comment on brakes.  Long story 
short, I've found V-brakes work wonderfully and are easy to install.  I 
have used a couple of cantilevers but IME the Vs are much more user 
friendly, both installation & function.  They are out of the way of bags.  
Mine are a generic Shimano (no other ID) & cost around $30 each a while 
back.  

Have fun with the build, & post pics when complete.

dougP

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 5:08:52 PM UTC-8, Lefebeaver wrote:
>
> I bought myself an Atlantis frame last fall and am building it up slowly 
> over winter. I've been riding a Novara gravel bike for the past 3 years, my 
> first exposure to a 21st century bike with discs, 10-spd index shifting, 
> yada yada. Except I'm not real impressed with any of it - the harsh ride, 
> the disc brakes or the 10-spd cassette.  I can make rim brakes stop much 
> better than these discs, and the index shifting has been very finicky - it 
> even seems temperature dependent (!) - the whole system seems very delicate 
> compared to the bombproof 7-speed Deore thumbies on my venerable 
> Stumpjumper. I've also broken 2 chains in 2 years. I'm a big guy and I've 
> always broken stuff on bikes, but this is ridiculous. So my philosophy on 
> these things is happily in line with Grant's - keep it simple and robust, 
> and don't shave weight at the cost of reliability. With regard to gears, he 
> has said "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, but ten is too 
> many". I'd be perfectly happy to go with a 7 or 8 speed, friction or 
> friction-capable gear system with a heavy-duty chain and solid shifting, 
> but I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or 
> 8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon. Since I'm having 
> a set of sturdy wheels built for this bike and I'm told the hub choice 
> depends on cassette choice, I need to decide soon on what hubs to use. So I 
> guess my question is twofold - how locked into a cassette size will I be 
> with a given choice of hub; and are high quality 8-spd cassettes likely to 
> remain available for the next, say, 10-15 years? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Nick Payne]

When Shimano went to 10-speed on road and MTB, they kept the pull ratio the 
same for road but changed it for MTB, so 10-speed road and MTB are not 
compatible. If you're using a 10-speed Shimano road shifter and a 10-speed 
Shimano MTB derailleur and 10-speed cassette, then to get indexed shifting 
working you need a Jtek shiftmate 6, or equivalent, to change the pull 
ratio. Alternatively, a 9-speed Shimano MTB rear derailleur on its own will 
get index shifting working with the 10-speed road shifter. I'm using that 
second combination on one of my bikes and it works perfectly.

BTW, you're supposed to use a Goatlink with a shadow type derailleur - the 
Roadlink is for use with conventional type derailleur.

Nick

On Saturday, 23 February 2019 13:15:39 UTC+11, Drw wrote:
>
> I’m not the best mechanic, but I’ve been able to set up 8 and 9 speed 
> shifters in friction and index mode just fine. This thing is hurting me 
> though. Setup: 
> -1x10 
> -11x42 or something like that sunrace cassette 
> -newer xt shadow derailleur with wolftooth roadlink 
> -dura ace 10 speed shifter on Paul thumbie 
>
> Previously, I had this bike in friction mode, but on the high gears, I 
> couldn’t get the chain to stay on one ring, lots of ghost shifting. So I 
> got a 10 speed index shifter, put it on and can’t get it to shift remotely 
> well. The three big low gears are fine but the bottom/high 7 are all over 
> the place. The weirdest part is that when I set it up, it sits in the 
> highest gear fine, but as I shift around and play with it, it won’t go back 
> to that gear, and as I play with it more, it won’t even go into the second 
> highest gear. When I unclamp the cable, it resets and goes back into the 
> high gear. The other weird thing is that the limit screws don’t hit the 
> piece they are supposed to to make adjustments. They are super far away and 
> barely touch when fully screwed in.  Maybe this is a result of the 
> roadlink? 
> I’m about to just buy an 8 speed cassette and go friction, but if anyone 
> has any advice I’d love to hear it. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Ed Carolipio]

I seem to recall - but can't find the reference - that Shimano cable pulls 
for road/MTB rear derailleurs/shifters were incompatible starting with the 
10 speed groups, and continuing with 11sp and 12sp. Here's the Shimano 
cross compatibility chart (see pg 5 for MTB RDs and pp.15 and 16 for road 
RDs): http://productinfo.shimano.com/download/pdf/com/2.7/en

The model for the Microshift shifter is SL-M10 MTB. I've used that as 
indexed on an SLX 10 speed RD.

--Ed C.

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 6:15:39 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:

> I’m not the best mechanic, but I’ve been able to set up 8 and 9 speed 
> shifters in friction and index mode just fine. This thing is hurting me 
> though. Setup: 
> -1x10 
> -11x42 or something like that sunrace cassette 
> -newer xt shadow derailleur with wolftooth roadlink 
> -dura ace 10 speed shifter on Paul thumbie 
>
> Previously, I had this bike in friction mode, but on the high gears, I 
> couldn’t get the chain to stay on one ring, lots of ghost shifting. So I 
> got a 10 speed index shifter, put it on and can’t get it to shift remotely 
> well. The three big low gears are fine but the bottom/high 7 are all over 
> the place. The weirdest part is that when I set it up, it sits in the 
> highest gear fine, but as I shift around and play with it, it won’t go back 
> to that gear, and as I play with it more, it won’t even go into the second 
> highest gear. When I unclamp the cable, it resets and goes back into the 
> high gear. The other weird thing is that the limit screws don’t hit the 
> piece they are supposed to to make adjustments. They are super far away and 
> barely touch when fully screwed in.  Maybe this is a result of the 
> roadlink? 
> I’m about to just buy an 8 speed cassette and go friction, but if anyone 
> has any advice I’d love to hear it. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Drw]

Ok thanks for this everyone. At least I can now tell myself I wasn’t 
mechanically inadequate. It sounds like Tanpan is the way to go since I’m 
already 80% financially committed to this system.

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[RBW] Re: MicroShift’s New $125 drivetrain

[Justin, Oakland]

They make brifters for it.
-J

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 5:08:55 PM UTC-8, Albert Steward wrote:
>
> It uses a proprietary cable pull ratio according to pinkbike - ties you 
> into their shifter and rules out comboing the rear derailleur with brifters 
> on a dropbar setup.
>
> Alas, Sunrace have got a clutch-equipped 9sp rear derailleur in the 
> pipeline too (RDM900.MD). It'll use conventional 8/9sp Shimano cable pull 
> ratio and clear up to a 50T on 1x setup 
>
> On Thursday, 21 February 2019 13:44:35 UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. I may have to try it out on my CleMTB (I had been thinking 
>> about replacing the shifter anyways). Price point aside, this is the first 
>> 9spd rear derailleur that I'm aware of with a clutch. Are there any others? 
>> I wonder if the cable pull ratios are compatible with Shimano stuff.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My first Rivendell!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hey Owen!

Glad to hear you decided on a Clem and got one shipped to you -- and I'm 
glad to hear you're lovin' it!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[Justin, Oakland]

You can even get 8sp 11-40 cassettes. Great for offroading, I think. I 
rarely want small gaps but prefer the bigger jumps with grunting up a hill.

-J

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 7:14:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 2/22/19 9:52 AM, Lefebeaver wrote: 
> > I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or 
> > 8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon. 
>
>
> Speaking only for one particular 8 speed cassette: Shimano discontinued 
> the XTR M900 8 speed 12-32 cassette at least 10 years ago.  A couple of 
> years ago, I noticed SunRace had reintroduced a 12-32.  I've got one. 
>
> The model is CSM66.   It's not as nice as the old XTR, not made on a 
> spider but rather has full sized rings riveted (I think) together, and 
> possibly it may not shift quite as smoothly as the old XTR, but it's 
> available, it's fairly inexpensive, and it can easily be converted to a 
> 13-32.  There's also a 12-34.   (There are also a bunch that start with 
> 11 - I dislike cassettes that start with 11, except for the 11-28 I have 
> on my Moulton AM and so don't pay much attention to them.) 
>
> I think it's a sweeping over-generalization to say "going extinct." 
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Justin, Oakland]

Definitely a case of shifter/derailleur mismatch. You need either the 
Microshift Thumbie in black, a 10 speed mountain shifter or a Tanpan 
shiftmate. Or - get a new derailleur. Or switch it to friction.

Friction is simplest
Tanpan is lowest barrier to indexing
Microshift Thumbie is most analogous to what you have
10 speed mountain shifter is next
New derailleur is most intensive IMO

-J

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 7:27:38 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> Interesting. That could be it. I bought the derailleur, unused, off this 
> list or ibob as “xt long cage clutch” or something like that. Probably a 
> mountain derailleur, So that would maybe make sense. Hmmm

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report, Brothers in CA

[Friend]

Great write up Lambbo.  Makes me want check out Tomales!

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 10:40:02 PM UTC-5, lambbo wrote:
>
> For years now I've been ogling the photos shared here of rides in the SF 
> area, and thinking about how I could make my way out there with a Rivendell 
> to do some climbing and have ocean views and not freeze to death...an 
> escape from Brooklyn was necessary.  
> In early December I asked the group for suggestions on a 3 day loop from 
> SF heading north... I was finally planning a trip out to see my brother and 
> have a little adventure.  
> There were lots of options, and we took a bit from a number of routes the 
> list shared; we started by taking the ferry to Vallejo and continuing up to 
> St.Helena, then heading up and over to Tomales, and finally back to SF 
> along rt. 1.
>
> A week before the ride I went around to some local bike shops and 
> eventually, at 718 Cycles, found a bike box to pack my Roadini into for the 
> flight. I've never done this, but I'm an artist and have packed a lot of 
> artwork, so I approached it like that...foam and zip-ties all around.  I 
> also watched a Rinko video by Jan Heine, which was really useful.   I have 
> the MKS Rinko pedal system on my Roadini, which made packing and setting 
> back up that much easier (being able to pop the pedals off without a wrench 
> is also great for saving space in the hallway to our apartment).  Alaskan 
> Air took it as a checked bag for no extra fee! When I arrived, I pulled the 
> bike out of the box, put the bars, wheels, and seat back on, popped on my 
> pedals, and was off in under 10 minutes! 
>
> My brother is in better shape than I am, and rides a delightfully light 
> weight Cad12 aluminum road machine, so I knew we would need to plan the 
> trip with days short enough that I could handle the climbing, and that he 
> could stay comfortable his plastic saddle. I only have a small saddlesac 
> for my Roadini, and my bro has a small RoadRunner bag, so we decided not to 
> camp.  Short credit card tour; there are definitely folks who have ridden 
> this exact route, about 150 miles, in one day. But we wanted to have fun 
> and hang out, which we did!
>
> 1 
> We started with 48 easy, relatively flat, miles on day one, keeping a 
> comfortable 16 mph average and just enjoying the beautiful warmth and new 
> surroundings as we cruised up the not-so pretty Nappy-Vallejo Highway for 
> some less comfortable but still beautiful miles (lots of traffic, none of 
> it cyclists) before getting onto the Silverado Trail, which really was 
> incredible.  Less traffic and many little side roads to explore, most 
> leading to spectacular vineyards.  We stayed on this route until 
> 'Zinfendel', essentially the outskirts of St Helena, where we had our 
> little B  After chatting with the groundskeeper for a while, who gave us 
> a bottle of the owner's wine, we ditched our bikes and went into town, and 
> had one of the best pasta dishes I've ever had anywhere in the world 
> (Spaghetti with a parmesan-broth sauce over meatballs) and some stellar 
> wine.  I understand now why people go to Napa. 
>
> 2 
> The next day it was raining, but we were prepared with rain-kit.  I should 
> point out that I'm a wool-sweater, cotton t-shirt kind of rider, I don't 
> usually go for 'kit', but my brother is into it and, partly in excitement 
> about this trip, got me a Rapha winter jacket, and I got myself a Rapha 
> rain jacket (both on 60% off), and combined with my Rapha bib shorts which 
> I always wear on long rides, I was really comfortable through many showers 
> and even what felt like some hail, and everything fit easily into my jersey 
> pocket for the next weather change.  I still prefer a sweater for 
> breathability, but wouldn't it be nice if it fit in your back pocket, and 
> had it's own back pockets? ...thus I've been convinced of some 'kit'. 
> Especially the rain jacket - it's made for biking in the rain, and, thus, 
> is well suited for biking in the rain.  Anyways, we set out of St. Helena 
> to tackle our first real climb, and one of the biggest climbs I've done in 
> a long long time, over Spring Mountain road.  According to my altimeter, we 
> climbed about 2000 ft in 5 miles.  I know for you Californians that 
> probably just sounds like a normal 'hill', but here NYC we have the 
> Williamsburg Bridge and Bear Mountain, and that's about it, so my average 
> long ride doesn't have more than 3500ft climbing total.  I really enjoyed 
> the long climb in the rain, with huge evergreens coming up from below the 
> side of the road, so we could only see them from the center up, and 
> vineyards along the the way, everything dripping in viridian and chromium 
> and bright pthalo greens, the saturation amplified by the grey of the day. 
>  On the harrowingly fast winding and long descent I was thankful for the 
> stability of 

Re: [RBW] NAHBS film photo challenge

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for this! I ate it up. 
When my R09 is gone, I'll get some Diafine. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:09:13 PM UTC-8, David Bivins wrote:
>
> The CineStill color processing kit is very simple to use. For black 
> and white, I either use Diafine with Tri-X shot at 1000 speed, or I 
> use Rodinal for everything else. 
> https://davidshootsfilm.com/2013/11/14/developing-with-diafine/ 
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:58 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > I’ve just started processing at home, so it’s just BW right now. Mattias 
> Burling posted an informative video about processing color using a 
> particular set of chemicals that he says is much easier for the 
> do-it-yourselfer. Once I get proficient with BW I’ll give it a try. 
> > 
> > —Eric 
> > 
> > On Feb 21, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Maybe we can duel! 
> > 
> > My local photo store (Jeremiah's Photo Corner*) has started classes for 
> home developing color. Apparently the trick is to use a sous vide cooking 
> controller to maintain temps. 
> > If you're interested, it might be worth a stay at the Astro Motel 
> (partially owned by Andy Hampsten?) and take the class. Jeremiah's is close 
> enough to the Astro that it would be faster to walk than to ride a bike. 
> > 
> > *Jeremiah is a bigger riv/bike nerd than I am. 
> > 
> > Philip 
> > Santa Rosa, CA 
> > 
> > On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 11:56:49 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: 
> >> 
> >> You’re on! I think I’ll bring my Leitz CL. Maybe 28mm lens. Black and 
> white definitely. 
> >> 
> >> —Eric N 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 21, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Philip Williamson  
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hey folks, 
> >> 
> >> I've shot THOUSANDS digital pictures at bike shows. So much that it's 
> not that interesting anymore, and at NAHBS 2016, I mostly shot photos in 
> the bike valet lockup. 
> >> This year, I'm planning to take my Leica iii (d), and just shoot film. 
> Probably more people than bikes, but i won't know till I'm there. 
> >> 
> >> My challenge to y'all, is to do the same 
> >> 
> >> Make film pictures at NAHBS 
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[RBW] Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Dave Redmon]

Over the years, I've had at least three cases of rear derailer misalignment 
that fouled up my shifting. Your LBS has the right tool to check for that. 

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Re: [RBW] Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Drw]

Interesting. That could be it. I bought the derailleur, unused, off this list 
or ibob as “xt long cage clutch” or something like that. Probably a mountain 
derailleur, So that would maybe make sense. Hmmm

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 2/22/19 9:52 AM, Lefebeaver wrote:
I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or 
8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon.



Speaking only for one particular 8 speed cassette: Shimano discontinued 
the XTR M900 8 speed 12-32 cassette at least 10 years ago.  A couple of 
years ago, I noticed SunRace had reintroduced a 12-32.  I've got one.


The model is CSM66.   It's not as nice as the old XTR, not made on a 
spider but rather has full sized rings riveted (I think) together, and 
possibly it may not shift quite as smoothly as the old XTR, but it's 
available, it's fairly inexpensive, and it can easily be converted to a 
13-32.  There's also a 12-34.   (There are also a bunch that start with 
11 - I dislike cassettes that start with 11, except for the 11-28 I have 
on my Moulton AM and so don't pay much attention to them.)


I think it's a sweeping over-generalization to say "going extinct."

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You could go really old school and go single speed. Grin. Surly cogs and 
https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/melvin-chain-tensioner/ and you’re 
good to go!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[Joe Bernard]

8/9/10 hubs are very common, and a lot of 11-speed hubs come with a spacer you 
slide on first, then an 8/9/10 cassette. So I'd say go ahead and get your 
wheels and 8-speed cassette, my guess is the it'll be many years before you 
have to abandon those gears. 

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Re: [RBW] Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Steve Palincsar]

On 2/22/19 9:15 PM, Drw wrote:

I’m not the best mechanic, but I’ve been able to set up 8 and 9 speed shifters 
in friction and index mode just fine. This thing is hurting me though. Setup:
-1x10
-11x42 or something like that sunrace cassette
-newer xt shadow derailleur with wolftooth roadlink



When you say "newer" what do you mean?  Is there any chance you've got a 
10 or 11 speed DynaSys rear derailleur that you're trying to operate 
with a 10 speed road shifter?  If that's the case, there's a cable pull 
mismatch and you'll need a different WolfTooth product, the TanPan to 
fix it.




-dura ace 10 speed shifter on Paul thumbie

Previously, I had this bike in friction mode, but on the high gears, I couldn’t 
get the chain to stay on one ring, lots of ghost shifting. So I got a 10 speed 
index shifter, put it on and can’t get it to shift remotely well. The three big 
low gears are fine but the bottom/high 7 are all over the place. The weirdest 
part is that when I set it up, it sits in the highest gear fine, but as I shift 
around and play with it, it won’t go back to that gear, and as I play with it 
more, it won’t even go into the second highest gear. When I unclamp the cable, 
it resets and goes back into the high gear. The other weird thing is that the 
limit screws don’t hit the piece they are supposed to to make adjustments. They 
are super far away and barely touch when fully screwed in.  Maybe this is a 
result of the roadlink?
I’m about to just buy an 8 speed cassette and go friction, but if anyone has 
any advice I’d love to hear it.


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[RBW] Riv is again advertising the Rodeo on the frames page

[Joe Bernard]

All the frame listings have a pic of a bike again, too, instead of headbadges. 
Someone on the dreaded Paceline forum complained about the badges. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My first Rivendell!

[hugh flynn]

I have yet to find a detailer or brakes that outlast shimano's 7 speed
Deore DX line. I certainly don't hesitate to pull them off thrift store
bikes and pop 'em on my fancy bikes. They even work fine with my very
modern shifters (caveat, I never got more modern than 8sp indexed downtube
shifters, but it sounded good).

Seriously though, those things are going to outlive me. I have quite a few
DX hubs still running fine (one got a surly fix-r and is now a fixed gear).
I can live quite happily without Dura-Ace, Red, Record, etc. Give me the
good stuff that works and lasts.

Those silver sun-tour front hubs Riv sold for something like $10 about 20
years ago are still humming along and looking great.

Hugh "simple and solid" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM brendonoid  wrote:

> Congrats on the purchase. I am a fellow Aussie (perth) riv owner and I'm
> warning you; you don't stop at just one.
> And yes, 'cheaper' components just usually means more durable/functional.
> Welcome to the club!
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[John McBurney]

I’ve got a fairly large stable of high-ish end bikes with a variety of
drive trains ranging from 6 speed to 10 speed shimano but honestly only
partially shimano because my all weather commuter is a belt drive internal
gear bike and my 87 paramount,  Dahon P9 Folder and Salsa Cassaroll low
trail conversion are in friction shift mode and fully independent of
manufacturers and spacing fashions of the day.

I am impressed by the shifting of my Bombadil which has a 9 speed Sun XCD
drivetrain with a SRAM cassette and a KMC chain. The derailleurs are said
to be more highly polished versions of the Sunrace mech. It all works
really well. Indexes perfectly.

There was a recent post on the list about a new group set 9 speed with a
rear mech with a clutch for $125 and I would say check if out. 9 speed and
a good chain rocks.

And if you are open to friction shifting “do what you want to”.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/10002796999/slomo.html


John

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Lefebeaver  wrote:

> I bought myself an Atlantis frame last fall and am building it up slowly
> over winter. I've been riding a Novara gravel bike for the past 3 years, my
> first exposure to a 21st century bike with discs, 10-spd index shifting,
> yada yada. Except I'm not real impressed with any of it - the harsh ride,
> the disc brakes or the 10-spd cassette.  I can make rim brakes stop much
> better than these discs, and the index shifting has been very finicky - it
> even seems temperature dependent (!) - the whole system seems very delicate
> compared to the bombproof 7-speed Deore thumbies on my venerable
> Stumpjumper. I've also broken 2 chains in 2 years. I'm a big guy and I've
> always broken stuff on bikes, but this is ridiculous. So my philosophy on
> these things is happily in line with Grant's - keep it simple and robust,
> and don't shave weight at the cost of reliability. With regard to gears, he
> has said "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, but ten is too
> many". I'd be perfectly happy to go with a 7 or 8 speed, friction or
> friction-capable gear system with a heavy-duty chain and solid shifting,
> but I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or
> 8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon. Since I'm having
> a set of sturdy wheels built for this bike and I'm told the hub choice
> depends on cassette choice, I need to decide soon on what hubs to use. So I
> guess my question is twofold - how locked into a cassette size will I be
> with a given choice of hub; and are high quality 8-spd cassettes likely to
> remain available for the next, say, 10-15 years?
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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Thanks! Moving the thing shifters down by the curves is still really convenient 
shifting and it means I can use all three hand positions (grips, top of the 
bend and flats). I really dig it. Got the inspiration from a blug post or 
something.

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[RBW] Indexing 10sp big cassette

[Drw]

I’m not the best mechanic, but I’ve been able to set up 8 and 9 speed shifters 
in friction and index mode just fine. This thing is hurting me though. Setup:
-1x10
-11x42 or something like that sunrace cassette
-newer xt shadow derailleur with wolftooth roadlink
-dura ace 10 speed shifter on Paul thumbie 

Previously, I had this bike in friction mode, but on the high gears, I couldn’t 
get the chain to stay on one ring, lots of ghost shifting. So I got a 10 speed 
index shifter, put it on and can’t get it to shift remotely well. The three big 
low gears are fine but the bottom/high 7 are all over the place. The weirdest 
part is that when I set it up, it sits in the highest gear fine, but as I shift 
around and play with it, it won’t go back to that gear, and as I play with it 
more, it won’t even go into the second highest gear. When I unclamp the cable, 
it resets and goes back into the high gear. The other weird thing is that the 
limit screws don’t hit the piece they are supposed to to make adjustments. They 
are super far away and barely touch when fully screwed in.  Maybe this is a 
result of the roadlink?
I’m about to just buy an 8 speed cassette and go friction, but if anyone has 
any advice I’d love to hear it.

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Adam Leibow]

clementine approves of the changes i just made to my sam. kind of hated the 
way it rode with 37s and fenders from my OP to be honest. i'll put the rack 
& basket back on again soon too. 


[image: 47181491461_f09d1f40aa_z.jpg]


On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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[RBW] FS: Grilver Roadini 57cm w/ Campy Parts

[Phoom Chira]

Hello,

I am putting my Roadini up for sale:

- 57cm frame in Grilver
- Campagnolo Centaur group set
- Nitto Tallux stem 
- Nitto M151F drop handlebar
- DT Swiss A23 wheels (custom black spokes and nipples)
- Shimano R650 brakes
- Jack Brown green tires
- Newbaums handlebar tape

Pedals and water bottle cage not included.

I will throw in Nitto Mark's Rack M1 and medium size Wald basket (not shown 
in the photos).

The bike rides beautifully and has never been down. There is a slight 
scratch on the paint on the right side of the top tube, near the seat post 
as shown in the photos. Otherwise the paint is in good condition.

Asking $1,500 - please PM me if you are interested!

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[RBW] Riv is again advertising the Rodeo on the frames page

[tc]

I just reloaded the page to make sure my eyes weren't foolin' me...check it 
out:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/roadeo?variant=23335434369

Tom

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[RBW] Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[Lefebeaver]

I bought myself an Atlantis frame last fall and am building it up slowly 
over winter. I've been riding a Novara gravel bike for the past 3 years, my 
first exposure to a 21st century bike with discs, 10-spd index shifting, 
yada yada. Except I'm not real impressed with any of it - the harsh ride, 
the disc brakes or the 10-spd cassette.  I can make rim brakes stop much 
better than these discs, and the index shifting has been very finicky - it 
even seems temperature dependent (!) - the whole system seems very delicate 
compared to the bombproof 7-speed Deore thumbies on my venerable 
Stumpjumper. I've also broken 2 chains in 2 years. I'm a big guy and I've 
always broken stuff on bikes, but this is ridiculous. So my philosophy on 
these things is happily in line with Grant's - keep it simple and robust, 
and don't shave weight at the cost of reliability. With regard to gears, he 
has said "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, but ten is too 
many". I'd be perfectly happy to go with a 7 or 8 speed, friction or 
friction-capable gear system with a heavy-duty chain and solid shifting, 
but I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or 
8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon. Since I'm having 
a set of sturdy wheels built for this bike and I'm told the hub choice 
depends on cassette choice, I need to decide soon on what hubs to use. So I 
guess my question is twofold - how locked into a cassette size will I be 
with a given choice of hub; and are high quality 8-spd cassettes likely to 
remain available for the next, say, 10-15 years? 

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[RBW] Re: MicroShift’s New $125 drivetrain

['Albert Steward' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It uses a proprietary cable pull ratio according to pinkbike - ties you 
into their shifter and rules out comboing the rear derailleur with brifters 
on a dropbar setup.

Alas, Sunrace have got a clutch-equipped 9sp rear derailleur in the 
pipeline too (RDM900.MD). It'll use conventional 8/9sp Shimano cable pull 
ratio and clear up to a 50T on 1x setup 

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 13:44:35 UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Interesting. I may have to try it out on my CleMTB (I had been thinking 
> about replacing the shifter anyways). Price point aside, this is the first 
> 9spd rear derailleur that I'm aware of with a clutch. Are there any others? 
> I wonder if the cable pull ratios are compatible with Shimano stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS-Riv Road Custom frame/fork 54cm

[Jim Ammirato]

As stated in the original post, it measures 56cm CENTER TO TOP of the seat
lug. 54cm c-c. I’m stating what I measured. I don’t have the specifics of
the geometry but it’s going to be different than a stock Ram.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 5:07 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Yeah, something about these dimensions just doesn't "click" right.  I have
> a 54cm Rambouillet and it measures 54cm from C (of the BB) to T (of the top
> tube).  From the photo of this Riv custom, it looks like the length of the
> head tube is almost exactly the same as my Ram.  BUT, the Ram has a 2
> degree sloping TT in order to make the head tube longer so the bars can be
> set higher.  The custom in the photo appears to have a straight
> (non-sloping) TT.  I'm suspicioning that this frame is a 56cm.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:13:22 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jim, is the C-to-T measurement to the tip of the seatpost? I'd be
>> curious what the number is at the top of where the toptube bisects.
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Re: [RBW] Re: MicroShift’s New $125 drivetrain

[Robert Blunt]

This always my concern with the 1X drive trains, it seems that when I try
to find one in silver, there isn't one. If I am wrong about this, I would
love to be shown which system might better match the Rivendell aesthetic.
--Rob Blunt

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:10 AM William! 
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> *whispers*
> But does it come in silver?
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[RBW] WTB Shimano 9 speed STI shifters

[dylan alverson]

Looking to try out integrated shifting on my Saluki. Anyone out there have a 
pair in good shape Ultegra preferably but not terribly picky.  Purchase or 
trade. 

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[RBW] My first Rivendell!

[Todd Porter]

Congrats. Thats exactly how i felt when i got my first Riv. Which was a Clem as 
well.

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[RBW] Re: My first Rivendell!

[brendonoid]

Congrats on the purchase. I am a fellow Aussie (perth) riv owner and I'm 
warning you; you don't stop at just one.
And yes, 'cheaper' components just usually means more durable/functional. 
Welcome to the club!

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[RBW] Re: MIT AHH reviews?

[Todd Porter]

Got the bike.  Its been 40 degrees and raining everyday, and I'm sick to boot. 
Did get to ride it home from work and then a 20 mile ride a day later.  So far 
so good. Rides lovely. Still dialing in the bar height and saddle position, but 
no complaints. Really comfortable and feels fast and light.  Love the g-one 
tires, silver wide low crank, and billie bars. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report, Brothers in CA

[Benjamin L. Clark]

As a new Sonoma County resident, thanks for the report! My family and I 
will try and tackle some of these sections. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[David Bivins]

Such a cool shot - three bikes represented!

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 7:47 PM Gabriel Bruguier  wrote:
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> That is my Atlantis in the back.  Just getting it back from the shop after 
> installing a King external bb and XTR crankset.
>
>
> The wheelset in the back is for my Cheviot.  Photos to come.
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> Hauler is a Surly 1x1 Xtracycle conversion.
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Re: [RBW] NAHBS film photo challenge

[Philip Williamson]

Eric, 

I had thought you were talking about editing hard, but I see you mean 
PRE-editing, and only shooting one roll. My acquaintance @cinedar uses the 
hashtag #thinkmoreshootless. He shoots 4x5 film, but he does have 
multi-sheet holders. And big lights and reflectors sometimes. 

You make a good point, but I'd rather not limit the amount of film shot, 
since people have different strategies to get good pictures. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 



On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 1:01:19 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
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> Philip:
>
> Here’s an idea. How about giving everyone a limit—24 or 36 frames. Shoot 
> just that and post your best pics. I enjoy the discipline of shooting film, 
> since it requires that you think much more carefully about what you take. 
>
> Eric “Film’s Not Dead” Norris
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I've shot THOUSANDS digital pictures at bike shows. So much that it's not 
> that interesting anymore, and at NAHBS 2016, I mostly shot photos in the 
> bike valet lockup.
> This year, I'm planning to take my Leica iii (d), and just shoot film. 
> Probably more people than bikes, but i won't know till I'm there. 
>
> My challenge to y'all, is to do the same
>
>- Make film pictures at NAHBS
>- Upload your best shots wherever, and post a link here
>- Talk about the pictures and the experience
>
> I plan to tag my pictures with #NAHBSfilm and #ridebikesshootfilm 
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS-Riv Road Custom frame/fork 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

George, I'm having the same problem. That's my favorite Riv color - I remember 
it in the custom frame foldout from a couple decades ago - but hoo boy do I not 
have room/cash for it right now. Oy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS-Riv Road Custom frame/fork 54cm

[George Schick]

Well, I can say one thing for sure, I wouldn't mind owning it.  And if it's 
actually a 55cm, so much the better - with either a straight or slightly 
sloping TT.  One of my favorite colors, too.
But I need another bike/frame like I need a hole in the head and my wife 
would never let me get by with it.


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> Word from the grapevine is it's 55cm center-to-top-of-toptube. The 56 
> number - maybe Della Santa sized it that way - is to the actual top of the 
> seattube, which is visibly a centimeter taller than the toptube. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS-Riv Road Custom frame/fork 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Word from the grapevine is it's 55cm center-to-top-of-toptube. The 56 number - 
maybe Della Santa sized it that way - is to the actual top of the seattube, 
which is visibly a centimeter taller than the toptube. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS-Riv Road Custom frame/fork 54cm

[Doug Van Cleve]

It has a "56" engraved/stamped in the BB shell, I suspect that is a C-T
measurement and I'm also pretty sure the RRS had a slight upslope in the TT
as well.  Remember, this is a custom.  GP wouldn't do anything too weird,
but it could have a shorter TT than standard RBW geometry.  I'm pretty sure
my 55cm Joe x2 '99, which has custom tube selections but standard geometry
is closer to square...

Doug

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 3:00 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Yeah, something about these dimensions just doesn't "click" right.  I have
> a 54cm Rambouillet and it measures 54cm from C (of the BB) to T (of the top
> tube).  From the photo of this Riv custom, it looks like the length of the
> head tube is almost exactly the same as my Ram.  BUT, the Ram has a 2
> degree sloping TT in order to make the head tube longer so the bars can be
> set higher.  The custom in the photo appears to have a straight
> (non-sloping) TT.  I'm suspicioning that this frame is a 56cm.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:13:22 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jim, is the C-to-T measurement to the tip of the seatpost? I'd be
>> curious what the number is at the top of where the toptube bisects.
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[RBW] FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Chris Birkenmaier]

B17s and B17 ochre sold pending payment
Thanks guys!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hi Friend.  I’m sorry I did not get your message.  My direct email is 
cbirkenmai.  At.   Gmail

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Friend]

PM Sent.  Let me know if ya got it!

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>
> Bingo! It’s working now! 
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 2019, at 15:03, Chris Birkenmaier  > wrote: 
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> then change permissions. I hope that does the trick 
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[RBW] Re: My first Rivendell!

[REC (Roberta)]

The Rivendell ride is amazing, isn't it.  I didn't believe so until I got 
on one.  WOW is right!  Congratulations and happy riding.   

Roberta

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:20 PM UTC-5, OwenS wrote:

> Well I've officially joined the club after purchasing Danny's (RDS member 
> here) Clem Smith H. He was kind enough to get it shipped to me here in 
> Australia. I don't think are too many of the over here. 
>
> Went for my first real ride with it today on my commute to work. All I can 
> say is. *Wow*. I'm a believer now, Grant.
> I honestly don't know what it is about this bike. So much of it doesn't 
> make sense. On paper it's heavy. The components are quite cheap as well.  
> And yet it all comes together in what is plain a simple, an incredible 
> riding experience. It's comfortable, its fast, its fun. I couldn't be 
> happier. And it's also the first bike I've owned where I actually want to 
> modify it. To tinker and enhance different aspects and make it truly mine. 
> They really are special bikes. 
> Here it is posed gracefully in front of a trashcan and some milk crates.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-02-21 at 11.59.05 pm copy.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS-Riv Road Custom frame/fork 54cm

[George Schick]

Yeah, something about these dimensions just doesn't "click" right.  I have 
a 54cm Rambouillet and it measures 54cm from C (of the BB) to T (of the top 
tube).  From the photo of this Riv custom, it looks like the length of the 
head tube is almost exactly the same as my Ram.  BUT, the Ram has a 2 
degree sloping TT in order to make the head tube longer so the bars can be 
set higher.  The custom in the photo appears to have a straight 
(non-sloping) TT.  I'm suspicioning that this frame is a 56cm.


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> Hey Jim, is the C-to-T measurement to the tip of the seatpost? I'd be 
> curious what the number is at the top of where the toptube bisects. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[esoterica etc]

Bingo! It’s working now!


> On Feb 22, 2019, at 15:03, Chris Birkenmaier  wrote:
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> Hi Mark. You are right about that. I tried to put them in a batch and then 
> change permissions. I hope that does the trick 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hi Mark. You are right about that. I tried to put them in a batch and then 
change permissions. I hope that does the trick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[esoterica etc]

+1 on the link being unable to open. It says you need to be signed in in order 
to see it. Chris, you’re probably able to see it because you’re already signed 
in when you click the link. It doesn’t seem to be working for those of us not 
signed in/not signed up for flickr. 

~Mark 


> On Feb 22, 2019, at 14:18, Chris Birkenmaier  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.  My apologies as I'm not trying to bump up my posting but I just set 
> up the Flickr account and am posting a link to the forum for the first time.  
> So I may have messed up.  The link works for me when I click on it.  If 
> anyone else is having problems in viewing the saddles could you please back 
> channel me and I'll try to get it to work.
> thanks
> 
> Do want to get this working as I've wanted to post photos of my bikes and 
> never have.
> 
>> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 2:01:05 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311
>> 
>>> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>> Selection of saddles all in very good condition as described.  Shipping to 
>>> lower 48 states only.  PayPal Friends and Family please.
>>>  
>>> Brooks B67  Black  Beautiful practically unused condition Treated with 
>>> proofhide top and bottom
>>> $85 includes shipping
>>>  
>>> Brooks B17S  Black small scuff on back  Very lightly used  $65 includes 
>>> shipping
>>> Selle Anatomica  NSX  Black with black rails  virtually unused  $80 
>>> includes shipping
>>> Brooks B17 Ochre Black rails  new but may have been mounted   No wear  $80 
>>> includes shipping
>>> Selle Anatomica X Dark tan  Black rails  Vey light use – like new  $80 
>>> includes shipping
>>> Brooks B17 Special Dark Green (looks almost black)  treated with proofhide 
>>> top and bottom, great condition  $85 includes shipping
>>> 
>>> Photos can be found at
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311
>>> 
>>> Thanks for looking!
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Re: [RBW] NAHBS film photo challenge

[David Bivins]

You're welcome! I feel like Diafine is somewhat of a secret but once
you start using it, it's a wonder!

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 2:25 PM Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> David thanks for sharing your him blog, very thorough and interesting post 
> about diafine.  I think my mind was blown by this content;
>
> "As long as you’re sticking to the film speed guidelines, you can mix and 
> match films in your developing tank and trust that everything will turn out"
>
> I haven't film developed or shot much film myself in going on 5 years but 
> this discussion has me a bit itchy to do so.
>
> Tony

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Re: [RBW] NAHBS film photo challenge

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great challenge, I'll enjoy the results though I won't be going to NAHBS.

David thanks for sharing your him blog, very thorough and interesting post 
about diafine.  I think my mind was blown by this content;

"As long as you’re sticking to the film speed guidelines, you can mix and match 
films in your developing tank and trust that everything will turn out"

I haven't film developed or shot much film myself in going on 5 years but this 
discussion has me a bit itchy to do so.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hi guys.  My apologies as I'm not trying to bump up my posting but I just 
set up the Flickr account and am posting a link to the forum for the first 
time.  So I may have messed up.  The link works for me when I click on it.  
If anyone else is having problems in viewing the saddles could you please 
back channel me and I'll try to get it to work.
thanks

Do want to get this working as I've wanted to post photos of my bikes and 
never have.

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 2:01:05 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311
>
> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> Selection of saddles all in very good condition as described.  Shipping 
>> to lower 48 states only.  PayPal Friends and Family please.
>>
>>  
>>
>>1. 
>>
>>Brooks B67  Black  Beautiful practically unused condition Treated 
>>with proofhide top and bottom
>>
>>$85 includes shipping
>>
>> 
>>2. 
>>
>>Brooks B17S  Black small scuff on back  Very lightly used  $65 
>>includes shipping
>>3. 
>>
>>Selle Anatomica  NSX  Black with black rails  virtually unused  $80 
>>includes shipping
>>4. 
>>
>>Brooks B17 Ochre Black rails  new but may have been mounted   No wear  
>>$80 includes shipping
>>5. 
>>
>>Selle Anatomica X Dark tan  Black rails  Vey light use – like new  $80 
>>includes shipping
>>6. 
>>
>>Brooks B17 Special Dark Green (looks almost black)  treated with 
>>proofhide top and bottom, great condition  $85 includes shipping
>>
>> Photos can be found at
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

[Matt]

Second to both Coco's and GSC but the solidly commuter-oriented shop in LA 
is unfortunately a bit of a tall order. Flying Pigeon is long gone. Aika 
Trading was great and all about the Northern European approach (and where I 
got my Brompton) but they too have moved on. The Wheelhouse was in that 
mold and a Riv dealer, actually had Rivs on the floor... 

Ha, sorry, this isn't remotely helpful, cataloguing all the shops you can't 
visit. It's a bit of a sore spot for me, as someone who commutes 13mi round 
trip on the west side. I love GSC but I never, ever go there because it's 
too far to ride for anything day to day and it's a 45-minute drive most 
times on the weekend. 


On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 3:17:29 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> This. I dare say Coco's is a bit more commuter oriented than GSC as well.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34:20 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>>
>> Coco's is good too. Smaller than golden saddle, but full of fun 
>> vintage-into-practical rebuilds. The guys there seem genuinely interested 
>> in every weird project i've ever taken them. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Chris Birkenmaier]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Selection of saddles all in very good condition as described.  Shipping 
> to lower 48 states only.  PayPal Friends and Family please.
>
>  
>
>1. 
>
>Brooks B67  Black  Beautiful practically unused condition Treated with 
>proofhide top and bottom
>
>$85 includes shipping
>
> 
>2. 
>
>Brooks B17S  Black small scuff on back  Very lightly used  $65 
>includes shipping
>3. 
>
>Selle Anatomica  NSX  Black with black rails  virtually unused  $80 
>includes shipping
>4. 
>
>Brooks B17 Ochre Black rails  new but may have been mounted   No wear  $80 
>includes shipping
>5. 
>
>Selle Anatomica X Dark tan  Black rails  Vey light use – like new  $80 
>includes shipping
>6. 
>
>Brooks B17 Special Dark Green (looks almost black)  treated with 
>proofhide top and bottom, great condition  $85 includes shipping
>
> Photos can be found at
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311
>
> Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hey Matt, it worked when I clicked on the link so I thought it was ok.  
I'll try the link again but will send the photos to you.  Thanks for 
letting me know.


On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 1:27:22 PM UTC-5, Matt wrote:

> Hi Chris—Would love to see the pics but it looks like there's an issue 
> with the Flickr album, either the URL is wrong or it's not public? Thanks!
>
> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 9:28:27 AM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> Selection of saddles all in very good condition as described.  Shipping 
>> to lower 48 states only.  PayPal Friends and Family please.
>>
>>  
>>
>>1. 
>>
>>Brooks B67  Black  Beautiful practically unused condition Treated 
>>with proofhide top and bottom
>>
>>$85 includes shipping
>>
>> 
>>2. 
>>
>>Brooks B17S  Black small scuff on back  Very lightly used  $65 
>>includes shipping
>>3. 
>>
>>Selle Anatomica  NSX  Black with black rails  virtually unused  $80 
>>includes shipping
>>4. 
>>
>>Brooks B17 Ochre Black rails  new but may have been mounted   No wear  
>>$80 includes shipping
>>5. 
>>
>>Selle Anatomica X Dark tan  Black rails  Vey light use – like new  $80 
>>includes shipping
>>6. 
>>
>>Brooks B17 Special Dark Green (looks almost black)  treated with 
>>proofhide top and bottom, great condition  $85 includes shipping
>>
>> Photos can be found at
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Matt]

Hi Chris—Would love to see the pics but it looks like there's an issue with 
the Flickr album, either the URL is wrong or it's not public? Thanks!

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 9:28:27 AM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Selection of saddles all in very good condition as described.  Shipping 
> to lower 48 states only.  PayPal Friends and Family please.
>
>  
>
>1. 
>
>Brooks B67  Black  Beautiful practically unused condition Treated with 
>proofhide top and bottom
>
>$85 includes shipping
>
> 
>2. 
>
>Brooks B17S  Black small scuff on back  Very lightly used  $65 
>includes shipping
>3. 
>
>Selle Anatomica  NSX  Black with black rails  virtually unused  $80 
>includes shipping
>4. 
>
>Brooks B17 Ochre Black rails  new but may have been mounted   No wear  $80 
>includes shipping
>5. 
>
>Selle Anatomica X Dark tan  Black rails  Vey light use – like new  $80 
>includes shipping
>6. 
>
>Brooks B17 Special Dark Green (looks almost black)  treated with 
>proofhide top and bottom, great condition  $85 includes shipping
>
> Photos can be found at
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311
>
> Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] FS: Saddles - Brooks and Selle Anatomica

[Chris Birkenmaier]

 

Selection of saddles all in very good condition as described.  Shipping to 
lower 48 states only.  PayPal Friends and Family please.

 

   1. 
   
   Brooks B67  Black  Beautiful practically unused condition Treated with 
   proofhide top and bottom
   
   $85 includes shipping
   

   2. 
   
   Brooks B17S  Black small scuff on back  Very lightly used  $65 includes 
   shipping
   3. 
   
   Selle Anatomica  NSX  Black with black rails  virtually unused  $80 
   includes shipping
   4. 
   
   Brooks B17 Ochre Black rails  new but may have been mounted   No wear  $80 
   includes shipping
   5. 
   
   Selle Anatomica X Dark tan  Black rails  Vey light use – like new  $80 
   includes shipping
   6. 
   
   Brooks B17 Special Dark Green (looks almost black)  treated with 
   proofhide top and bottom, great condition  $85 includes shipping
   
Photos can be found at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/145404415@N02/sets/72157705430568311

Thanks for looking!

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

[Marc Irwin]

[image: sam.JPG]

I have them on my Sam and Hunq.  I tried some bolt on leather grips but 
have since switched to Riv cork on both.  VO leather wrap on the rest of 
the bar (The "city bike" grip is long enough).  I've also used Dia Compe 
"stoker" knobs as a midpoint grip and interrupter levers on the flats.

Marc

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:33:23 PM UTC-5, OwenS wrote:
>
> Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't get 
> approved? 
>
> After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I forgot..finished with a few coats of clear shellac.
Jon

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:03:23 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> I used a layer of faux cork grip from a road bike wrap for a little 
> cushion and then a layer of Newbaums cloth tape  finished with twine and a 
> wine bottle cork .
> Jon 
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: MicroShift’s New $125 drivetrain

[William!]

*whispers*
But does it come in silver?

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

[OwenS]

Great photo! Do you fins the thumb shifters that far away annoying or just 
something you prefer?

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:33:19 PM UTC+11, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> Ergons backwards! Looks funny, but feels nice. Shifters by the curves open 
> up all the hand positions. 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-8, OwenS wrote:
> > Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't 
> get approved? 
> > 
> > After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bosco bars grip suggestions

[OwenS]

Great photo! Do you find the thumb shifters that far away annoying or just 
something you prefer?

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:33:19 PM UTC+11, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> Ergons backwards! Looks funny, but feels nice. Shifters by the curves open 
> up all the hand positions. 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-8, OwenS wrote:
> > Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't 
> get approved? 
> > 
> > After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone 
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!
>
>

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