Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[Joe Bernard]

"The longer the tire is mounted the better it seems to hold air; up to the 
point that it gets old. Makes sense really."

This must be related to something James said about Rene Herse tires seeping 
from the sidewalls when new. I guess as you pile on the miles the goop gets 
coated inside the tire, and adding a little every few months builds it up more. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[Dave Redmon]

Masmojo, what can you tell us about your handlebar and stem arrangement in the 
photo of your excursion to the post office?  

Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms Season!

[Jim M.]

Great thread and beautiful photos, Takashi! Here's a native to the Mt 
Diablo region, the Purple Chinese Lantern, also called Innocence.

happy trails,
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[RBW] Nuts and Bolts

[Philip Williamson]

Hoarding is a form of OCD. https://www.instagram.com/p/B_JUjeRFgd7/

I have an old three drawer wooden chest for false teeth, with m5s up front and 
broken shifter parts in back. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[masmojo]

Well, I think that maybe if I was lighter than 230 I might be able to run a 
lower pressure, but I found if I go down more than 6 or 7 Lbs. the bike is 
noticeably slower & tires start to roll uncomfortably @ 25lbs.  (Tire 
examples: in the 650B X 42-47 range)

I tried Stan's on my first attempt & I couldn't get it to seal, I've had 
better success with the Orange Seal, it seems ever so slightly thicker, the 
Stans seemed almost watery.

The longer the tire is mounted the better it seems to hold air; up to the 
point that it gets old. Makes sense really.


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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Best minipumps for road tires *

[Collin A]

Patrick

I've got the analog silca pump that is shared across 3 bikes, and it works 
super well with tires less than 40mm in my experience. One random 
benefit/issue is that after about 6 months when I tried to inflate a tire 
after getting pack on pavement, the whole thing unscrewed on me and fell 
apart into about 6 pieces (easily fixed on the side of the road, though). 
My guess is general use and being bumped around on my dirt tourer caused 
the issue. The benefit is that it makes it easy to service!

Since that issue (about 7 months ago, now that I think about it), there 
hasn't been a repeat dilemma...

Cheers,
Collin in Sac

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:59:32 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks. Is this the one? I'll read the reviews.
>
> I see they have a $$$ one with bluetooth/iPhone capabilities. Just what I 
> need along with AI patches.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 5:54 AM Steven Sweedler  > wrote:
>
>> Patrick, take a look at the basic Silca mini pump. It has a hose come out 
>> of the end, with a lever clamp for the valve, as comfortable as a Lezyne 
>> without the fiddly threading. I have one but have only used it a few times 
>> because these wider tire just don’t get flats very often, even with tubes. 
>> Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 9:48 PM Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>>> As I said in my other post, I lost my Lezyne Road Drive this afternoon. 
>>> Upon more consideration, I didn't leave it at the site of the crime, 
>>> instead I stuck it in the side pocket of the Camper and forgot to buckle 
>>> the strap. I recalled hearing a "tinkling thump" -- if those terms are not 
>>> contradictions -- toward the latter third of my ride, and indeed, after 
>>> returning home, went back over that last third -- but, alas, without 
>>> success.
>>>
>>> I've used very many mini- and frame pumps in many years of cycling, and, 
>>> for a pump that can fit into one of the larger saddle wedges -- mine are 
>>> ~9" long; they make a 7" and a 12" model -- the Road Drive is the best mini 
>>> I've used. It will get 90 psi into a 23 easily, and it will get 60 psi into 
>>> a 28 with fewer than 300 strokes; but these are very, very easy and very, 
>>> very fast strokes. And, you can hold it comfortably without pinching your 
>>> hand with the pump handle -- a defect I've found with several minis. 
>>>
>>> Finally, mine have or had the pressure release buttons near the screw-on 
>>> chuck.
>>>
>>> But I bought my last Road Drive circa 3 years ago, and they were already 
>>> several years on the market at that time.
>>>
>>> So: what are the best minipumps for 28-to-32 mm tires that you pump to 
>>> as much as 65 psi? Any real challengers to the Road Drive? Hose or chuck, 
>>> it don't matter, as long as they seal well on the valve, don't break the 
>>> valve stem, get a tire to 90 psi without cursing, and are durable -- which 
>>> last I take to mean, made from metal; tho' I'm open to plastic if proven 
>>> tough.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who recalls the horror of trying to pump 120 psi into a 
>>> Specialized Fatboy with a first edition Blackburn Airstick or somesuch. 
>>> (Yes, back then I read the max pres as the prop pres.)
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Endura Coolmax Merino Long Sleeve Jersey

[Dave Grossman]

Size is Medium

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:49:08 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I bought this a while back and should have gotten the large.  
> Coolmax/Merino Blend.
>
> Asking $40 Shipped via USPS 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Nuts and Bolts

[Bill in Roswell GA]

I didn't know what a Marie Kondo was, but I'm glad I found out. I used to 
be very organized much like the LBS. Then I got old and had other things to 
do, like being outdoors most of the time. Thanks to C-19, I have a lot of 
time to get organized, though it is a beautiful spring in Roswell GA and 
everyone with a bike is out riding (for the first time in history). 
Fortunately we have many bike lanes and bike paths. And that my friends, is 
a joyful site to see! 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 3:31:08 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> The attached photo is my system for storing nuts and bolts. I hate it.
>
> Are there any OCD group members who have a nice, neat, Marie-Kondo like 
> system of storing your nuts and bolts?
>
> If you could provide a photo, I'd love to emulate you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Nuts and Bolts

[Bill in Roswell GA]

The labeling makes it! I would even add color coding via color tape stips 
to further define categories. 

Cheers
Bill in Roswell GA

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 5:38:12 PM UTC-4, somervillebikes wrote:
>
> I'm by no means OCD but I do keep my stuff fairly organized. The labels 
> aren't something I'd do myself, but one day my kid needed something to do 
> and was using the label maker to write notes all over the house, so I 
> figured why not harness that into something that could benefit me as well? 
> It was one way of getting my daughter to hang out in the basement with me. 
> For nuts/bolts/washers, I have three drawers, one for 6mm "stuff", one for 
> 5mm, and one for 4mm.  All other bolts/washers/nuts that don't fall into 
> those sizes is in random tupperware containers like you, Jim.
>
> Anton
> velolumino.com
>
>
> [image: Label1.jpg]
>
>
> [image: Label2.jpg]
>
>
> [image: Label3.jpg]
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[lambbo]

a dusty light-red (also known as a dusty pink) would look very good with 
red accents and bags, same amount of white in it as the sage blue, a touch 
of blue to cool it down to pastel, a hint of black to mute it.  80% white, 
14% red, 2% blue 4% black. Think about it, it's foolproof. 

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
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[RBW] Jim-the-moderator's email address?

[Patrick Moore]

I just sent Jim a message, but it bounced; the address I have is apparently
out of date. Does anyone have the correct email address for him?

Thanks.

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[RBW] WTB: Small Clem L, Cheviot, or other Riv Step-Thru or Mixte

[Dave S]

How about a 43L Bridgestone LeBubster?

Dave in NJ

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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Carla Waugh]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:56:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] WTB: Riv Reader #34

[Birdman]

Well, I figure this is safe company in which to reveal the depths of my Riv 
fanboy and obsessive tendencies...

Thanks in no small part to members of this list, I've managed to put 
together a nearly complete set of Bridgestone Bicycle Catalogues, BOB 
Gazzettes, Rivendell Catalogues, and Rivendell Readers. The only thing I'm 
missing is Riv Reader issue 34.  

If you have a copy of #34 you'd be willing to pass along, please let me 
know. I'm happy to pay you or make a donation to a local nonprofit in your 
town or mine.

Best,

Isaac in Portland OR

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[RBW] WTB: Small Clem L, Cheviot, or other Riv Step-Thru or Mixte

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Justin, did you get that pretty little Cheviot? Your wife will be one of the 
only women in the country who gets a new Cheviot for a long time - next 
shipment is a long way off. I hope you let Analog build it for you; it will be 
extra fancy.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Steve Palincsar]

The reason black, silver, battleship gray and a dull finish sage green 
work so well with silver components is basically what Trace Adkins said 
here : /Her Favorite 
Color is Chrome/


On 4/18/20 5:54 PM, somervillebikes wrote:

Patrick,

After seeing some of the examples posted, I'm really digging silver 
and battleship gray.


If your powder coater can in fact get you the green you want (sage, 
you said?), then obviously that's best. I've found it's very hard to 
imagine a color on a bike from a paint chip. Something about the 
narrow tubes as opposed to a monolithic wall of color. I've had two 
bikes PC'd in a color other than black. For one of them (cream), I 
liked it even more than I thought I would. For the other (sort of a 
Bianchi Celeste / sage green that looked great on a paint chip), I 
ended up displeased. Part of my displeasure was the glossiness, which 
made it look a yellowish, lime-green in certain light. I ended up 
taking steel wool to the powder coat finish to dull it, making the 
finish matte; I liked it much better. That bike was done over 10 years 
ago and the PC is still holding up well. If I were to do it all over 
again, I'd get a shade of green with more gray in it.


Anton
velolumino.com







On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

Thanks, all, some good suggestions and some good advice about
thinking this through -- which is my purpose in asking such
questions, since I do know my own tastes.

Actually, while I don't really like black or gray for frames, I
have owned several glossy black bikes that looked good; in fact,
my first home-brew paint job was hand sprayed (as in pump gun)
gloss black oil-based enamel with gold pin striping added by hand.
Later I had a decent looking battleship gray Stumpjumper Comp with
orangy-red accents.

But black shows dust too much. I find white boring; I didn't care
for the yellow of the Motobecane; and I already have a darkish
(Ford) blue -- need a different color to tell the bikes apart.
(Kidding.) I recall a very nice metallic dark green on a 1991
Stumpjumper Team, but you can't get that with powdercoat, I
imagine. In fact, you can't do metallic with your usual $150
powdercoats, can you?

Chauncey says he'll probably be able to get the sage green -- not
identical to but close enough to the original 2003 Joe Bell
Rivendell sage green; but if he can't, I'll ask for a Herse-like blue.

Funny, I know that orange is a favorite on this list, but while I
like it better than yellow, I just for some reason don't care for
it on a bike frame.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore > wrote:

Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out
of the near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for
my 2003 custom -- frame later modified by Chauncey with the
color in the photo below.

I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while
I wait on tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied?
Weren't tenterhooks used for processing wool?), I ask y'all:
what color would you choose for a new road frame to be built
with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and silver
components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.

Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like
red frames; no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue
already -- beautiful! -- and Forest Green. No turquoise or
pink. Yellow, blech.

Should be a color that is readily available in touch up
quantities.

Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your
suggestion.

Patrick "the /only/ color for a Riv with fenders is Sage
Green" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[somervillebikes]

Patrick,

After seeing some of the examples posted, I'm really digging silver and 
battleship gray. 

If your powder coater can in fact get you the green you want (sage, you 
said?), then obviously that's best. I've found it's very hard to imagine a 
color on a bike from a paint chip. Something about the narrow tubes as 
opposed to a monolithic wall of color. I've had two bikes PC'd in a color 
other than black. For one of them (cream), I liked it even more than I 
thought I would. For the other (sort of a Bianchi Celeste / sage green that 
looked great on a paint chip), I ended up displeased. Part of my 
displeasure was the glossiness, which made it look a yellowish, lime-green 
in certain light. I ended up taking steel wool to the powder coat finish to 
dull it, making the finish matte; I liked it much better. That bike was 
done over 10 years ago and the PC is still holding up well. If I were to do 
it all over again, I'd get a shade of green with more gray in it.

Anton
velolumino.com






On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, all, some good suggestions and some good advice about thinking 
> this through -- which is my purpose in asking such questions, since I do 
> know my own tastes.
>
> Actually, while I don't really like black or gray for frames, I have owned 
> several glossy black bikes that looked good; in fact, my first home-brew 
> paint job was hand sprayed (as in pump gun) gloss black oil-based enamel 
> with gold pin striping added by hand. Later I had a decent looking 
> battleship gray Stumpjumper Comp with orangy-red accents.
>
> But black shows dust too much. I find white boring; I didn't care for the 
> yellow of the Motobecane; and I already have a darkish (Ford) blue -- need 
> a different color to tell the bikes apart. (Kidding.) I recall a very nice 
> metallic dark green on a 1991 Stumpjumper Team, but you can't get that with 
> powdercoat, I imagine. In fact, you can't do metallic with your usual $150 
> powdercoats, can you?
>
> Chauncey says he'll probably be able to get the sage green -- not 
> identical to but close enough to the original 2003 Joe Bell Rivendell sage 
> green; but if he can't, I'll ask for a Herse-like blue.
>
> Funny, I know that orange is a favorite on this list, but while I like it 
> better than yellow, I just for some reason don't care for it on a bike 
> frame.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
>> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
>> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>>
>> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
>> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
>> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
>> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
>> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>>
>> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
>> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
>> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>>
>> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>>
>> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>>
>> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>>
>> -- 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 54CM Soma San Marcos

[PG]

>
> The bike has been sold to Jason.
>

I want to say that dealing with the people on this forum has always been a 
painless breeze. Thank you Jason, and thanks to the forum in general

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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[aeroperf]

My Sam came in Sage, and I like it.  I get compliments, so others think it 
is a good color as well.
But if I was doing a custom repaint I’d go for 1968 Camaro Rally Green.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-chevrolet-camaro-32/
I used to paint my Nash Metropolitans this color.

It wouldn’t go well with red trim, but white or gold or black would 
highlight it well.


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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all, some good suggestions and some good advice about thinking this
through -- which is my purpose in asking such questions, since I do know my
own tastes.

Actually, while I don't really like black or gray for frames, I have owned
several glossy black bikes that looked good; in fact, my first home-brew
paint job was hand sprayed (as in pump gun) gloss black oil-based enamel
with gold pin striping added by hand. Later I had a decent looking
battleship gray Stumpjumper Comp with orangy-red accents.

But black shows dust too much. I find white boring; I didn't care for the
yellow of the Motobecane; and I already have a darkish (Ford) blue -- need
a different color to tell the bikes apart. (Kidding.) I recall a very nice
metallic dark green on a 1991 Stumpjumper Team, but you can't get that with
powdercoat, I imagine. In fact, you can't do metallic with your usual $150
powdercoats, can you?

Chauncey says he'll probably be able to get the sage green -- not identical
to but close enough to the original 2003 Joe Bell Rivendell sage green; but
if he can't, I'll ask for a Herse-like blue.

Funny, I know that orange is a favorite on this list, but while I like it
better than yellow, I just for some reason don't care for it on a bike
frame.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom --
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames;
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech.
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Nuts and Bolts

[Patrick Moore]

I'm a wee bit more organized than you, since I have separate drawers for
bolts, nuts, washers, fender bits, rack bits, chain bits, axle bits,
shifter bits, brake bits, and so forth, but items of each category are just
stuffed in the same drawers, which is a small problem with the bolts, as
the drawer probably contains 5 lb of various sizes. Would love to have
something like an old library card catalogue chest with drawers that I
could make dividers for, and subdivide parts down to the nth-iest degree of
scrupulously obsessive separation.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jim S.  wrote:

> The attached photo is my system for storing nuts and bolts. I hate it.
>
> Are there any OCD group members who have a nice, neat, Marie-Kondo like
> system of storing your nuts and bolts?
>
> If you could provide a photo, I'd love to emulate you.
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[RBW] Re: Flying discs

[J Imler]

I had an Aerobie when I was in middle school. Back in the late 80’s. I can wing 
a disk pretty well. I gave my Aerobie all I had one day. I watched it clear 
tall trees a couple hundred yards away. It was just going, going, gone. I 
didn’t hunt for it. I’m still proud of that toss to this day.

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Re: [RBW] Frame color!

[Robert Tilley]

  I love my sage green Riv but the 2nd choice for me was the color Riv used to call their "standard" color. It was that metallic light blue/silver. I always thought that looked good. Not sure if that could be done with powder though.I really like the blue/grey color on bikes and it has been on a few autos lately. Like the Subaru color they call "cool gray khaki". That one looks really good in person and I think it would look great on a bike frame.I agree yellow is a bad choice for bikes. I own two due to either no other color option or it being the lesser of two evils. Yellow bikes really show any dirt or grease on the frame.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: April 18, 2020 7:56 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Frame color!  Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.Patrick "the only color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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[RBW] WTB: 700c Dynamo Front hub/ Front wheel/ wheelset

[Michael Williams]

Hey group.   I’m wondering if anyone has a Dynamo front hub or 700c Front wheel 
or wheelset theyre looking to sell.  Preferably 32 Hole.  Thank you. -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[George Schick]

Battleship grey.  The kind they paint industrial machinery. Goes with 
anything.  Easily touched up with paint available everywhere.
(I wouldn't like it, but you might.  My favorite for bike frames is gloss 
black - black w/ white highlights on head tube, etc. is even better)


On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:56:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
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>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Frame color!

[Eric G@rs]

Low gloss black powder coat. Classy. 

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Re: [RBW] Frame color!

[Joe Bernard]

...as long as it's black. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem H + Xtracycle

[Bones]

Wow, lots of useful info, thanks everyone. I'm as confused as ever on which 
way to go though :)

Now I'm wondering how the an xtracycle would work on my Appaloosa. The 
chainstays are a little bit shorter and it's a double top tube so that 
could only help with stability. To date that bike has been the heavy lifter 
anyway. The only real appeal of the the leap kit is to save some money and 
not add another bike to my collection. A BD of BFD would certainly be the 
best way to go. One last option is a 10 year old Novara 29'er that's been 
sleeping in my shed for a few years. It's in great shape, and I was 
intending to offload that at some point, but maybe that would make a good 
candidate for a conversion. Bottom line is the cargo bike will get lots of 
use, and I want to love riding it as much as I have enjoyed riding my 
Appaloosa.

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Re: [RBW] Frame color!

[James Warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK7HJvmgFnM

> On Apr 18, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I think you should pick a color you like. 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone using a RBW Nitto Basket Rack on a Clem H?

[Jim M.]

Late to the party, but here's my 52 Clem H with Nitto basket rack. Handles 
fine with a load in my opinion, and I've tried it with no hands fine too.


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[RBW] Frame color!

[Joe Bernard]

I think you should pick a color you like. 

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[RBW] Re: Flying discs

[velomann]

The point of the Aerobie, pure and simple, is distance. It's why it was 
invented and it's no contest with other flying discs. But for disc golf, 
other team disc sports, or dog fetching you definitely need something with 
more heft.

On the subject of discs and bikecamping, back in my rockclimbing days when 
I spent a lot of Spring and fall weekends at Smith Rock, we'd warm up in 
the parking lot with spirited Hacky-Sack circles. Seems like that would be 
a good morning warmup and hip stretch before heading out on the bike. And 
even easier to pack than a disc.

Mike M

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 9:03:15 PM UTC-7, LeRoy wrote:
>
> Call me a Luddite, but those new-fangled Aerobies just aren't the same as 
> a good, old-fashioned Frisbee disc. And I say that as one who still plays 
> Guts Frisbee, a disc sport from the Neanderthal era and probably the only 
> disc sport in which good, old-fashioned Frisbee discs are still used. The 
> Pro model Frisbee disc used in Guts dates to the late 1960s and change 
> isn't what we want. I suppose that does make me a Luddite. 
>
> For a few moments of distraction, you can watch the action of Guts Frisbee 
> here:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7hiCuwAwuU
>
> Leroy
> Air Aces Guts Frisbee Team
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H + Xtracycle

[Robert Tilley]

 That wasn't my experience with the Xtracycle cargo bikes. I owned a Big Dummy for a number of years and then sold that in order to buy a Tern Cargo Node which used the Xtracycle Leap kit. Both of these rode very well even with heavy loads.I did use wideloaders or U-bars on my bikes and kept the heavier items as low as possible which may have helped. Now I'm using a Tern GSD but I do miss the longer Xtracycle cargo area. If I had room I'd have a Big Fat Dummy for sure.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: gbrugu...@gmail.comSent: April 17, 2020 9:17 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Clem H + Xtracycle  I haven't had experience with the Xtracycle Leap kit, but I did use the Free Radical kit quite extensively.  Once I gave a friend who weighs ~90 lbs a ride on the back and it was dangerous and scary.  All the twist and flex in the back sent the front end to and fro unpredictably.  Pedaling a straight line was practically impossible.   Although that was an extreme case, IME ~30 lbs loads were the limit, after which the bike would become too wobbly.  I've heard that the Leap is more rigid than the Free Radical, but I am skeptical that the improvements are such that they beat an actual cargo frame like the BD or BFD in terms of rigidity.  After that experience I got a BFD-- the 26" fat tire version.  The first thing I did was give a friend, ~150 lbs, a ride around the parking lot, and though there was some wobble it was manageable, and I could pedal a straight line.  I've attached a photo of ~60 lbs of cargo, which I pedaled trouble free around 2.5 miles home.  So my suggestions for increased safety would be a BFD or BD over the Xtracycle.  I don't have enough experience with bike trailers to offer any suggestions.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Steve. I think I recall the color; in fact, I think my family had a
Type 3 station wagon for a while in that color, but that was circa 1970 and
too long ago to recall the color clearly (I do recall that at 5K+ feet with
a 50 HP carburetted engine and 3 speed automatic, it couldn't get out of
its own way, even among the Wartbergs and Anglias and Renault 4s).

The attachment doesn't show the color*, and when I search for  Pantone 7628
C, I get this, which I am sure is not what you have in mind:

[image: image.png]
Downloading it:
[image: image.png]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Cole  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> One of the great attributes of Sage Green is its subtlety compared to
> purer colors -- red, blue, yellow, etc.  A color that has a similar quality
> that you may have already considered is a light beige -- sort of the color
> of VW Beetles of long ago.  I loved Beetles of this color.  I looked for a
> Pantone color that might have a similar attraction.  I really like Pantone
> 7628 C.  I tried to copy a chip and upload it but Pantone doesn't make this
> easy to do.  Take a look.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv pants size large - latest version

[Mat Grewe]

Sold

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 11:08:00 AM UTC-5, Mat Grewe wrote:
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> For sale are the latest style Rivendell pants, size large.  Very lightly 
> worn and freshly laundered.
>
> $80 shipped CONUS
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv pants size large - latest version

[Mat Grewe]

Sold

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 11:08:00 AM UTC-5, Mat Grewe wrote:
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> For sale are the latest style Rivendell pants, size large.  Very lightly 
> worn and freshly laundered.
>
> $80 shipped CONUS
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv pants size large - latest version

[Mat Grewe]

Sale pending

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 11:08:00 AM UTC-5, Mat Grewe wrote:
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> For sale are the latest style Rivendell pants, size large.  Very lightly 
> worn and freshly laundered.
>
> $80 shipped CONUS
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Steve Cole]

Patrick,

One of the great attributes of Sage Green is its subtlety compared to purer 
colors -- red, blue, yellow, etc.  A color that has a similar quality that 
you may have already considered is a light beige -- sort of the color of VW 
Beetles of long ago.  I loved Beetles of this color.  I looked for a 
Pantone color that might have a similar attraction.  I really like Pantone 
7628 C.  I tried to copy a chip and upload it but Pantone doesn't make this 
easy to do.  Take a look.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA


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[RBW] FS: Riv pants size large - latest version

[Mat Grewe]

For sale are the latest style Rivendell pants, size large.  Very lightly 
worn and freshly laundered.

$80 shipped CONUS

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Mustard

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Hi Clayton, would you sell the boscomooses on their own? LMK!

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 2:34:58 PM UTC-4, Clayton Scott wrote:
>
> Still have it and given what they are going for on ebay it is a deal ;-).
>
> Happy to add your choice of bullmoose, chocomoose, or boscomoose with 
> greater downslope angle to it for an etra $50.
>
> Hope you are all staying safe and sane!
>
> Clayton
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:08:26 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote:
>>
>> Price drop. $800. shipped to CONUS. 
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> HBG,CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:58:02 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Have a 52cm Clem Mustard H frame (high top tube) for sale.
>>> It is in almost new condition except for a scratch in the downbube.
>>> Straight, never crashed, no rust and frame savered.
>>> One thing to note is that it takes a 27.0 seat post. This is how it came 
>>> to me straight from Rivendell HQ.
>>> I am including a Nitto Crystal Fellow (single bolt) in 27.0 250mm with 
>>> it (or a black vintage XT post 330mm also made by nitto if you need a 
>>> longer one).
>>> Headset and BB are included too.
>>> $850 shipped to CONUS. Attached some pictured of the full the build.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Clayton Scott
>>> HBG, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem H + Xtracycle

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I toyed with this idea a few months ago. Ended up finding an Xtracycle 
conversion on Craigslist for $300 attached to an old generic MTB-ish thing, 
very Clem like in geometry without the long chainstays so I'm just using 
that for the kid taxing and cargo hauling. 

Anyway, someone else on here (Hi, Ed!) who had built up a Clem-Xtracycle 
DM'd the below to me. He had tons of experience with different cargo bikes 
and his thoughts are below. 

Short version: It worked brilliantly and he fully recommended it. 

Long version (quoting from Ed here on out): "I "salvaged" a Leap kit off of 
a Tern Cargo Node, so it's not quite the retail kit but close enough. I've 
had a Dummy, a 1st gen Edgerunner, and Tern Cargo Node. I really liked the 
Dummy (regret selling it to this day...) since it was a solid bike that 
rode well with or without a load. The Edgerunner was a disappointment: a 
bit too flexy in the wrong places, and pretty "dead" for a cromoly frame. I 
could never get the fit of the Tern right with that weird Andros stem and 
the ride was dead too, though as a cargo bike it was serviceable.

The Clem build up wasn't too dramatic. The long chain stays aren't a 
problem. I wanted to run the "shorter" wheelbase slot on the leap but that 
didn't work the way the dropouts are on the Clem. The rear dropouts do work 
with the "long" wheelbase option on the Leap without interference, and I 
didn't find the bike any more unwieldy than the other longtails I've owned. 
Having a kickstand plate is an advantage and relieves stress on the top of 
the chain stay tubes. You're already familiar with the "mullet" wheelset I 
had built up: front rim hub, rear disc hub, using rim compatible Sun Rhyno 
XL rims F/R. For brakes, I ran BB7 and stock pads with a 180mm rear disc - 
with a load, 160mm may be too small - and Shimano V-brakes up front with 
Kool Stop pads. As with any longtail build, I used a full run housing to 
the rear derailleur and brake. Compressionless is best but super expensive 
so I used the pro version of Jagwire housing as an affordable alternative. (
https://jagwire.com/products/housing)

The built up bike was brilliant. It had all the characteristics of the 
Dummy in terms of handling with or without a load, but with a step 
thru/lower standover frame and a more upright, and comfortable, riding 
position. (I'd recommend the Clem L over the Cheviot for the lower 
standover.) The mullet brakes are as weird as you'd expect - different 
modulations - but easy to get used to and always plenty of stopping power.

Eventually, I did take it apart to sell the Cargo Node as a complete bike. 
I would have opted to get the retail Leap kit and rebuilt the Clem L but I 
am an old man with twins so opted for a cargo e-bike instead."



On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, Bones wrote:
>
> Not sure if this has been discussed here or not, but I'd like to hear 
> people's thoughts on this. I spent all of last year carrying both of my 
> kids on my Appaloosa (one in front, one in back). They are getting too big 
> for that setup now. Though I can still handle the bike with ease, I think 
> 80lbs is a bit too much for the bike, and it is only going to get worse. So 
> my options, so far as I can see, are the following:
>
> 1) Get a bike trailer (Burley or Thule or whatnot)
> 2) Big Dummy or Big Fat Dummy.
> 3) Add an Xtracycle to my Clem H
>
> I like the idea of using the Clem the most because I really don't want to 
> bring another bike or trailer into the house if I can help it, and I really 
> like the Clem. So far it has been used as a trail bike, and with a few 
> small children around, that means it doesn't get used that often. And that 
> is a job my Appaloosa can easily fill. I have no experience with the 
> Xtracycle leap kit though, so any suggestions here would be greatly 
> appreciated!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Best minipumps for road tires *

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Is this the one? I'll read the reviews.

I see they have a $$$ one with bluetooth/iPhone capabilities. Just what I
need along with AI patches.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 5:54 AM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> Patrick, take a look at the basic Silca mini pump. It has a hose come out
> of the end, with a lever clamp for the valve, as comfortable as a Lezyne
> without the fiddly threading. I have one but have only used it a few times
> because these wider tire just don’t get flats very often, even with tubes.
> Steve
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 9:48 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> As I said in my other post, I lost my Lezyne Road Drive this afternoon.
>> Upon more consideration, I didn't leave it at the site of the crime,
>> instead I stuck it in the side pocket of the Camper and forgot to buckle
>> the strap. I recalled hearing a "tinkling thump" -- if those terms are not
>> contradictions -- toward the latter third of my ride, and indeed, after
>> returning home, went back over that last third -- but, alas, without
>> success.
>>
>> I've used very many mini- and frame pumps in many years of cycling, and,
>> for a pump that can fit into one of the larger saddle wedges -- mine are
>> ~9" long; they make a 7" and a 12" model -- the Road Drive is the best mini
>> I've used. It will get 90 psi into a 23 easily, and it will get 60 psi into
>> a 28 with fewer than 300 strokes; but these are very, very easy and very,
>> very fast strokes. And, you can hold it comfortably without pinching your
>> hand with the pump handle -- a defect I've found with several minis.
>>
>> Finally, mine have or had the pressure release buttons near the screw-on
>> chuck.
>>
>> But I bought my last Road Drive circa 3 years ago, and they were already
>> several years on the market at that time.
>>
>> So: what are the best minipumps for 28-to-32 mm tires that you pump to as
>> much as 65 psi? Any real challengers to the Road Drive? Hose or chuck, it
>> don't matter, as long as they seal well on the valve, don't break the valve
>> stem, get a tire to 90 psi without cursing, and are durable -- which last I
>> take to mean, made from metal; tho' I'm open to plastic if proven tough.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who recalls the horror of trying to pump 120 psi into a
>> Specialized Fatboy with a first edition Blackburn Airstick or somesuch.
>> (Yes, back then I read the max pres as the prop pres.)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Frame color!

[Patrick Moore]

Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the
near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom --
frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.

I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on
tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks
used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a
new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and
silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.

Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames;
no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and
Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech.

Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.

Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.

Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Best minipumps for road tires *

[Steven Sweedler]

Patrick, take a look at the basic Silca mini pump. It has a hose come out
of the end, with a lever clamp for the valve, as comfortable as a Lezyne
without the fiddly threading. I have one but have only used it a few times
because these wider tire just don’t get flats very often, even with tubes.
Steve

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 9:48 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> As I said in my other post, I lost my Lezyne Road Drive this afternoon.
> Upon more consideration, I didn't leave it at the site of the crime,
> instead I stuck it in the side pocket of the Camper and forgot to buckle
> the strap. I recalled hearing a "tinkling thump" -- if those terms are not
> contradictions -- toward the latter third of my ride, and indeed, after
> returning home, went back over that last third -- but, alas, without
> success.
>
> I've used very many mini- and frame pumps in many years of cycling, and,
> for a pump that can fit into one of the larger saddle wedges -- mine are
> ~9" long; they make a 7" and a 12" model -- the Road Drive is the best mini
> I've used. It will get 90 psi into a 23 easily, and it will get 60 psi into
> a 28 with fewer than 300 strokes; but these are very, very easy and very,
> very fast strokes. And, you can hold it comfortably without pinching your
> hand with the pump handle -- a defect I've found with several minis.
>
> Finally, mine have or had the pressure release buttons near the screw-on
> chuck.
>
> But I bought my last Road Drive circa 3 years ago, and they were already
> several years on the market at that time.
>
> So: what are the best minipumps for 28-to-32 mm tires that you pump to as
> much as 65 psi? Any real challengers to the Road Drive? Hose or chuck, it
> don't matter, as long as they seal well on the valve, don't break the valve
> stem, get a tire to 90 psi without cursing, and are durable -- which last I
> take to mean, made from metal; tho' I'm open to plastic if proven tough.
>
> Patrick Moore, who recalls the horror of trying to pump 120 psi into a
> Specialized Fatboy with a first edition Blackburn Airstick or somesuch.
> (Yes, back then I read the max pres as the prop pres.)
>
>
> --
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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