date:20200928

That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on 
Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has 
been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar 
with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made 
the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs 
design.

Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make 
their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame 
mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is 
using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th 
Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.

The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. I 
don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses 
lugs made by Allotec.

Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're 
closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over 
production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f 
order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f." 

Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other 
frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns 
the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them, 
but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.

Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had to 
scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by 
Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec. 

I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure 
that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.

Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many 
senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many 
just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the 
drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're 
a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to 
be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.

Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s, with 
Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if those 
ever went into production.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
>> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that 
>> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at the 
>>> moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>>>
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Patrick,
>>>
>>> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
>>> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
>>> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
>>> I've seen 'em before.
>>>
>>> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then 
>>> the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
>>> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
>>>
>>> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made 
>>> by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But 
>>> over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with 
>>> these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell 
>>> into a bad batch.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 

 Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay 
 lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 
 gofast fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).

 [image: image.png]

 On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence 
> of late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding 
> saddleundertightened 
> binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the 
> first 
> hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's 
> a 
> Dura-Ace stem, which requires a

[RBW] Left the (Brooks) Fold for a Bit, but I'm Back Now

2020-09-28 Thread 'islaysteve' via RBW Owners Bunch

In an effort to (ahem) lighten my Bleriot a bit, I switched saddles. I'm
not trying to go faster, but I do carry the bike down and up a half-flight
of stairs for every ride, and a full flight to the basement for any
maintenance. I thought that the Brooks B-17, at over a pound, might be a
logical place to save weight. I got a Charge Spoon saddle after reading
some reviews. I had also asked for feedback on that saddle on this or the
iBob list and got a favorable response. The price was right and it weights
about half of what the Brooks weighs. So today I had my first and only
ride on it. It hurt my bones. Perhaps I could get used to it, but why
bother when I have a perfectly comfortable and beautiful B-17 honey? I
don't have much padding back there so maybe that's the problem. The Spoon
has a central channel and rather high firm ridges next to the channel.
Other people seem to like them; you know how individual saddle choice can
be. Anyway, it comes off tomorrow and I'll be glad to see the Brooks back
on the Bleriot. I'll keep the Spoon for the time being in case my kids
want to try it. If anyone is curious about what this saddle feels like,
get in touch with me and maybe we can work out a trial. Good riding, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

2020-09-28 Thread Joe Bernard

Patrick, I don't see a size listed for your frame. 

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>
> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders (tight, 
> but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that will take a 
> 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs will affect the 
> handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker than say a Ram 
> while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition between straight 
> and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42 under the bridges 
> if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was designed for. The bike 
> has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount to bolt brazed onto s 
> stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and rather crude but 
> effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp (mounts on front 
> fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp. Lamps not included, 
> void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if you experience any 
> of these symptoms.
>
> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered" fenders 
> and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm fenders.
>
> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from 
> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame 
> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>
> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my 
> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar. 
> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium 
> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of 
> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or 
> so, or maybe not.
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.

Laing

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that 
> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at the 
>> moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Patrick,
>>
>> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
>> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
>> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
>> I've seen 'em before.
>>
>> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then 
>> the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
>> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
>>
>> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made 
>> by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But 
>> over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with 
>> these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell 
>> into a bad batch.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 
>>>
>>> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay 
>>> lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 
>>> gofast fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>>
 So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence 
 of late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding 
 saddleundertightened 
 binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
 hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
 Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
 internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
 out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
 a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
 torque. 

 Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a 
 roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the 
 repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older 
 hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, 
 which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant 
 if 
 I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home 
 anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I 
 should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I 
 usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the 
 stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some 
 somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.

 Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You 
 know what? All in all it was still a very nice ride

 Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good 
 time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm 
 actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.

 It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off 
 the bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
 hadn't dealt with that.

 I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
> possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.
>
> I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size 
> was 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint 
> flaws down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, 
> visible 
> in the naked frame photos.
>
> I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
> lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4,

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that 
they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at the 
> moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick,
>
> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
> I've seen 'em before.
>
> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then the 
> tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
>
> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made by 
> Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But 
> over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with 
> these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell 
> into a bad batch.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 
>>
>> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay lugs 
>> just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 gofast 
>> fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>>> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence of 
>>> late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding saddleundertightened 
>>> binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
>>> hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
>>> Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
>>> internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
>>> out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
>>> a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
>>> torque. 
>>>
>>> Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a 
>>> roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the 
>>> repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older 
>>> hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, 
>>> which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant if 
>>> I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home 
>>> anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I 
>>> should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I 
>>> usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the 
>>> stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some 
>>> somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.
>>>
>>> Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You 
>>> know what? All in all it was still a very nice ride
>>>
>>> Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good 
>>> time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm 
>>> actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.
>>>
>>> It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off 
>>> the bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
>>> hadn't dealt with that.
>>>
>>> I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:

 Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
 possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.

 I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size was 
 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint 
 flaws 
 down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, visible in 
 the 
 naked frame photos.

 I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
 lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> Thanks for linking it, Peter. If Trevor has it now, it went from Peter 
> to me to Trevor.
>
> Peter asked me earlier offlist if the frame had been a little small 
> for me, and looking at my

Re: [RBW] Re: Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

Hey Patrick,

My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
I've seen 'em before.

Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then the 
tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.

It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made by 
Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But 
over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with 
these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell 
into a bad batch.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 
>
> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay lugs 
> just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 gofast 
> fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  > wrote:
>
>> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence of 
>> late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding saddleundertightened 
>> binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
>> hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
>> Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
>> internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
>> out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
>> a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
>> torque. 
>>
>> Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a 
>> roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the 
>> repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older 
>> hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, 
>> which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant if 
>> I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home 
>> anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I 
>> should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I 
>> usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the 
>> stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some 
>> somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.
>>
>> Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You know 
>> what? All in all it was still a very nice ride
>>
>> Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good 
>> time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm 
>> actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.
>>
>> It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off 
>> the bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
>> hadn't dealt with that.
>>
>> I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
>>> possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size was 
>>> 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint flaws 
>>> down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, visible in the 
>>> naked frame photos.
>>>
>>> I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
>>> lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:

 Thanks for linking it, Peter. If Trevor has it now, it went from Peter 
 to me to Trevor.

 Peter asked me earlier offlist if the frame had been a little small for 
 me, and looking at my notes on the frame dims I said probably not. But now 
 looking at the built pix on flickr, yeah, definitely closer to "a little 
 too little" for me.

 All I've managed with the new Starck Riv so far is a coupla 
 round-the-block sweeps, which it handled nicely. I detected slight notes 
 of 
 lemongrass, with a subtle smoky finish.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Peter Bridge 
 wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-7 foolis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul I might have your Riv. What color was it? Size?
>
>
> From my vague memory,

[RBW] Re: Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

Thanks!

I did forget to mention that shifting the 8spd cassette with a dt friction 
shifter was both less and more annoying than I anticipated. Meaning that I 
had fewer issues and mis-shifts than I expected, so there were a lot of 
"gee, this ain't so bad after all" moments, but when the mis-shifts 
happened---instant rage. Might grin and bear it, might look for an 8spd 
Shimano indexed rear dt shifter, or I could install the 10spd dt Dura-Ace 
dt shifter I have and switch to 10spd in the rear.

The gearing did work well as 1x-granny, and since the route didn't have 
much climbing, I never really needed the 24t ring. I did shift a few times 
just to make sure the chain didn't dump, but didn't actually ride it.

I did order up a 40t Zephyr ring from Peter White to raise the gearing a 
hair. That should also let me use the BBG guard I have on hand in the outer 
position, so it'll look a little less weird.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA  

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>
> That's a great-looking bike and a nice build, Paul.  I'm sure you will get 
> the post-build kinks out in time for the second ride.  Enjoy your new Riv!
>
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 1:32:31 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence of 
>> late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding saddleundertightened 
>> binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
>> hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
>> Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
>> internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
>> out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
>> a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
>> torque. 
>>
>> Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a 
>> roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the 
>> repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older 
>> hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, 
>> which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant if 
>> I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home 
>> anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I 
>> should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I 
>> usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the 
>> stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some 
>> somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.
>>
>> Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You know 
>> what? All in all it was still a very nice ride
>>
>> Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good 
>> time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm 
>> actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.
>>
>> It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off 
>> the bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
>> hadn't dealt with that.
>>
>> I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
>>> possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size was 
>>> 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint flaws 
>>> down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, visible in the 
>>> naked frame photos.
>>>
>>> I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
>>> lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:

 Thanks for linking it, Peter. If Trevor has it now, it went from Peter 
 to me to Trevor.

 Peter asked me earlier offlist if the frame had been a little small for 
 me, and looking at my notes on the frame dims I said probably not. But now 
 looking at the built pix on flickr, yeah, definitely closer to "a little 
 too little" for me.

 All I've managed with the new Starck Riv so far is a coupla 
 round-the-block sweeps, which it handled nicely. I detected slight notes 
 of 
 lemongrass, with a subtle smoky finish.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Peter Bridge 
 wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-7 foolis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul I might have your Riv. What color was it? Size?
>
>
> From

[RBW] Re: FS: Pass and Stow porteur rack

2020-09-28 Thread Kieran J

SOLD

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 12:17:36 PM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Offering up a nice Pass and Stow 5-rail porteur rack in black. This is the 
> current "tall leg" version. Awesome rack as everyone knows, just redundant 
> to me now. Great shape with some rub wear on the powdercoat. Asking $240 
> shipped within North America.
>
> Here's a pic. 
> 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

Sorry Patrick.
(it js in fact a small frame and not a medium.)
Hopefully someone else in here has a medium!

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:34 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Many thanks, Kim.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:30 PM kim young  wrote:
>
>> It’s a tank alright - I loved it tho.
>> It will be happy for a new chance in beautiful NM.
>> Let me fish it out and send you photos.
>> you can see if it’s what you need
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kim: Do I understand correctly that you are offering frame + wheels for
>>> postage? I am indeed interested, and will happily make a donation to Bicas.
>>> Thanks very much.
>>>
>>> What is the size? And yes, please, do send photos.
>>>
>>> I really enjoyed my ~2010 Monocg 29er. I had been playing around with an
>>> also very nice (in fact, top model for its time) Diamond Back Axis Team
>>> ("quad butted"!) with elegantly svelte straight-leg fork and very '90s
>>> smoke fade paint. I'd built it up as a sort of 26" Fargo with 2X9 friction
>>> drivtrain (and TA Pro 5 Vis crank on custom Phil 145 mm spindle!) and full
>>> fenders and rack, then converted it with ENO hub first to mid-60s fixed
>>> gear with Big Apples for all-rounder type riding; very nice bike. But I
>>> wanted to try a 29er, so bought the Monocog and modified it with Salsa Bell
>>> Lap bar and 42 X 19 for a 64" gear for combination pavement/local flat but
>>> sandy bosque trail riding. I do miss it, even though it was a tank.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:00 PM kim young  wrote:
>>>
 It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
 I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
 I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you
 could just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but
 then you’d still have to build it.)
  NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk


 On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
> frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
> 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.
>
> What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Patrick.
>>
>> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
>> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I 
>> SS’d
>> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>>
>> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
>> measurements.
>> dm me :
>> kimyoung99@gmail
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>>>
>>> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
>>> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
>>> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
>>> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
>>> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
>>> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 
>>> 42
>>> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
>>> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut 
>>> mount
>>> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders 
>>> and
>>> rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to 
>>> headlamp
>>> (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
>>> Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your 
>>> physician if
>>> you experience any of these symptoms.
>>>
>>> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered"
>>> fenders and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm
>>> fenders.
>>>
>>> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut
>>> from bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered.
>>> Frame no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>>>
>>> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to
>>> my road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop 
>>> bar.
>>> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
>>> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
>>> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 
>>> 89/67/57 or
>>> so, or maybe not.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>

[RBW] WTB: 1 Roll-y Pol-y tire with black sidewalls

2020-09-28 Thread EasyRider

I have one of these already, and am looking for a second -- new or used.

Pete
Arlington, VA

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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

Many thanks, Kim.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:30 PM kim young  wrote:

> It’s a tank alright - I loved it tho.
> It will be happy for a new chance in beautiful NM.
> Let me fish it out and send you photos.
> you can see if it’s what you need
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Kim: Do I understand correctly that you are offering frame + wheels for
>> postage? I am indeed interested, and will happily make a donation to Bicas.
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> What is the size? And yes, please, do send photos.
>>
>> I really enjoyed my ~2010 Monocg 29er. I had been playing around with an
>> also very nice (in fact, top model for its time) Diamond Back Axis Team
>> ("quad butted"!) with elegantly svelte straight-leg fork and very '90s
>> smoke fade paint. I'd built it up as a sort of 26" Fargo with 2X9 friction
>> drivtrain (and TA Pro 5 Vis crank on custom Phil 145 mm spindle!) and full
>> fenders and rack, then converted it with ENO hub first to mid-60s fixed
>> gear with Big Apples for all-rounder type riding; very nice bike. But I
>> wanted to try a 29er, so bought the Monocog and modified it with Salsa Bell
>> Lap bar and 42 X 19 for a 64" gear for combination pavement/local flat but
>> sandy bosque trail riding. I do miss it, even though it was a tank.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:00 PM kim young  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
>>> I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
>>> I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you
>>> could just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but
>>> then you’d still have to build it.)
>>>  NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
 frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.

 What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.

 Thanks, Patrick

 On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young 
 wrote:

>
> Hi Patrick.
>
> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>
> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
> measurements.
> dm me :
> kimyoung99@gmail
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>>
>> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
>> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
>> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
>> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
>> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
>> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42
>> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
>> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount
>> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders 
>> and
>> rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to 
>> headlamp
>> (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
>> Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your physician 
>> if
>> you experience any of these symptoms.
>>
>> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered"
>> fenders and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm
>> fenders.
>>
>> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
>> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
>> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>>
>> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to
>> my road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
>> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
>> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
>> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 
>> or
>> so, or maybe not.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

It’s a tank alright - I loved it tho.
It will be happy for a new chance in beautiful NM.
Let me fish it out and send you photos.
you can see if it’s what you need



On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Kim: Do I understand correctly that you are offering frame + wheels for
> postage? I am indeed interested, and will happily make a donation to Bicas.
> Thanks very much.
>
> What is the size? And yes, please, do send photos.
>
> I really enjoyed my ~2010 Monocg 29er. I had been playing around with an
> also very nice (in fact, top model for its time) Diamond Back Axis Team
> ("quad butted"!) with elegantly svelte straight-leg fork and very '90s
> smoke fade paint. I'd built it up as a sort of 26" Fargo with 2X9 friction
> drivtrain (and TA Pro 5 Vis crank on custom Phil 145 mm spindle!) and full
> fenders and rack, then converted it with ENO hub first to mid-60s fixed
> gear with Big Apples for all-rounder type riding; very nice bike. But I
> wanted to try a 29er, so bought the Monocog and modified it with Salsa Bell
> Lap bar and 42 X 19 for a 64" gear for combination pavement/local flat but
> sandy bosque trail riding. I do miss it, even though it was a tank.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:00 PM kim young  wrote:
>
>> It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
>> I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
>> I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you could
>> just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but then
>> you’d still have to build it.)
>>  NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
>>> frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
>>> 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.
>>>
>>> What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young  wrote:
>>>

 Hi Patrick.

 I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
 elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
 (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)

 if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
 measurements.
 dm me :
 kimyoung99@gmail


 On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>
> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42
> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount
> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and
> rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp
> (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
> Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your physician 
> if
> you experience any of these symptoms.
>
> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered"
> fenders and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm
> fenders.
>
> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>
> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 
> or
> so, or maybe not.
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

Kim: Do I understand correctly that you are offering frame + wheels for
postage? I am indeed interested, and will happily make a donation to Bicas.
Thanks very much.

What is the size? And yes, please, do send photos.

I really enjoyed my ~2010 Monocg 29er. I had been playing around with an
also very nice (in fact, top model for its time) Diamond Back Axis Team
("quad butted"!) with elegantly svelte straight-leg fork and very '90s
smoke fade paint. I'd built it up as a sort of 26" Fargo with 2X9 friction
drivtrain (and TA Pro 5 Vis crank on custom Phil 145 mm spindle!) and full
fenders and rack, then converted it with ENO hub first to mid-60s fixed
gear with Big Apples for all-rounder type riding; very nice bike. But I
wanted to try a 29er, so bought the Monocog and modified it with Salsa Bell
Lap bar and 42 X 19 for a 64" gear for combination pavement/local flat but
sandy bosque trail riding. I do miss it, even though it was a tank.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:00 PM kim young  wrote:

> It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
> I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
> I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you could
> just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but then
> you’d still have to build it.)
>  NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
>> frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
>> 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.
>>
>> What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Patrick.
>>>
>>> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
>>> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
>>> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>>>
>>> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
>>> measurements.
>>> dm me :
>>> kimyoung99@gmail
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.

 You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
 (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
 will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
 will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
 than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
 between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42
 under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
 designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount
 to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and
 rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp
 (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
 Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if
 you experience any of these symptoms.

 You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered"
 fenders and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm
 fenders.

 Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
 bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
 no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.

 I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
 road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
 Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
 Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
 installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or
 so, or maybe not.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

2020-09-28 Thread Paul Richardson

heartened to see this is happening but sorry i won't be able to join!  ride 
on!

paul
takoma park, md.

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 12:19:19 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> I checked the mileage from Atlantic Highlands to Sandy Hook light using 
> Bing maps.  They show 9.3M, which is shorter than I thought.
>
> So here is a summary with mileage rounded up:
>
> Henry Hudson Trail (HHT), North Section, Matewan  to Atlantic Highlands,  
> 12M   HHT brochure, Monmouth Co Parks
> Atlantic Highlands to Sandy Hook Light,  city streets, NJ36 bridge over 
> bay  10M   Bing Maps
> Total 1 way Distance  
>   22M  
> Round Trip Distance, with some extra miles thrown in  
>   50M   Really FLAT terrain, RR bed and sea 
> level streets/roads
>
> If the Basic Group is 12-14 mph, then Total Riding Time is about 4H.  
>  Total Clock time is probably 5 to 6 H depending on how many stops.
>
> The Matewan trail head has these advantages
> 1  Easy access from/to the GSP for folks coming in car.  Exit GSP, turn 
> left, go over the GSP on overpass, make 1st right and 1 block to HHT.  Very 
> minimal local road travel required.  99M from southern NJ on NJTP, NJ440, & 
> GSP,  1H 45M travel time
> 2  Easy access from/to the Matewan RR station for folks from NYC on NJ 
> Transit.  About 1M of city streets and NO major highway travel
>
> The eastern end of the HHT in Atlantic Highlands has a HHT Activity 
> Center, which may have restrooms and water fountains.  Can stop going out 
> and coming back.
>
> Overall starting in Matewan makes a lot of sense: reasonable 50M ride 
> distance and time over FLAT terrain,  *possible* restrooms at 12M out and 
> 35M back,  good  commuter train access.  A 50M ride is reasonable given the 
> distances folks will be travelling to get there.
>
> Can someone local confirm or correct this.I would check out myself, 
> but it's pretty far to travel (99M, and tolls) 
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ, the Garden Spot of the Garden State
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Re: [RBW] Looking for in house bike stand/holder

Thanks for the heads-up, Melanie.

I may look at those little stands that hold the bike up by the crank arm;
we used those at a shop I worked at during 1 summer and they seemed to be
more stable, and even less obtrusive, than the ones with 2 hooks on a post
that hold the bike by chain and seat stays, as long as your bikes don't
have especially bulbous cranks.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:16 AM Melanie  wrote:

> Roberta/Patrick - I’m using what looks like exactly the same rack, but
> branded Minoura. But it doesn’t work for my bikes with fenders.
> Melanie
>
> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 1:40:48 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Snag,
>>
>> I've seen a few like this, from your link, that hold the bike vertical,
>> but this is the first one I saw that one can use with a rack on the back.
>> When I get home, I'm going to look to see if it will also work with my
>> fenders, as the sides of the stand come up a bit.
>>
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/44615-kogu-masamune-stand-gujo-3226?category=992
>>
>> Thanks for the link!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> PS In college I had a bungee cord in a corner near the ceiling  of my
>> dorm room. I tipped my bike vertical and hooked the front tire to the
>> bungee cord. The bike leaned on the side wall.Worked well since the
>> dorm walls were cinder block.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 4:25:21 PM UTC-4, The Snag wrote:
>>>
>>> Somafab has some nice looking stands by Kogu that are currently on
>>> sale
>>>
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/category/tools-maintenance-racks-store-fixture-992
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 11:33:21 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Feedback sports has nice floor stands for storage. I use them.

 On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Joel Stern  wrote:

 David, not a work stand, not yet anyway. I want the bikes to be secure
 in my sunroom which is where I leave them during cycling season but the
 stands I have now are not at all secure, either too loose or too tight, I
 can adjust but they seem to not be good for either 42mm or 48mm tires.
 These use the front tire.

 Joel

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> Hi Joel
> Are you talking a work stand or display stand. I have a couple of
> Nitto display stands that are quite nice but designed for 120 or 126 rear
> hubs so a bit of a wrestle to install. I also picked up a couple of 
> Minoura
> stands that are newer so more readily fit modern bikes. More convenient 
> but
> certainly a trade off on aesthetics.
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Joel  wrote:
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> Cross posted on Bob.
>
> I have the very old stands that Rivendell sold years ago, not very
> stable.  I’d like either 1 double or 2 single bike holders, floor style to
> keep my bikes safe. Recommendations appreciated.  I’ve seen a few on eBay
> and Amazon but thought it wise to check here before buying.
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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you could
just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but then
you’d still have to build it.)
 NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
> frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
> 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.
>
> What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young  wrote:
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>> Hi Patrick.
>>
>> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
>> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
>> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>>
>> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
>> measurements.
>> dm me :
>> kimyoung99@gmail
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>>>
>>> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
>>> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
>>> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
>>> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
>>> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
>>> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42
>>> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
>>> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount
>>> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and
>>> rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp
>>> (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
>>> Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if
>>> you experience any of these symptoms.
>>>
>>> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered" fenders
>>> and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm fenders.
>>>
>>> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
>>> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
>>> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>>>
>>> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
>>> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
>>> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
>>> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
>>> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or
>>> so, or maybe not.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your lockable commuter thread

2020-09-28 Thread Tom Palmer

Hi Patrick,
I tried to reply privately, but failed even on my desktop. 
In response to this- Or, does anyone want to trade (f + orig f + custom 
racks + well used 45 mm fenders + new 35 mm fenders + that canti fork) for 
a good quality rigid mountain bike, 26" or 29er, either a high-end steel 
NORBA-type without susp fork, or something like a Monocog 29er? Single 
speed preferred. Full bike from you, those parts from me, each takes care 
of own shipping.

I've thought out loud before about a nicely riding beater for our very 
occasional snows (but all the more fun for being very occasional; last 
winter saw quite a bit of snow, but Big Ones are not the best tire for it) 
and for general beating around without much care for the bike. A Monocog 
29er would be perfect; I owned one circa 2010 and rode if for a few years 
before trading up to the Fargo.

I have a mint Specialized Stumpjumper that I might be willing to send your 
way. Around 93 so Norba geometry. it even has the matching green Umma Gumma 
tires. 
contact me privately at volvotom1964 at gmail if you have any interest. I 
also have a Redline Monocog. Is your S3X hub laced up to a 26" wheel? If so 
maybe we can talk on that too. I have one in 700c and the lash is not a big 
deal to me. 

Sorry all for broadcasting, I couldn't figure another way.

Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI USA

On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 12:20:32 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Kurt, it was conscientious and courteous of you to reply, and the 
> information is useful.
>
> I am really torn. Somone on the CR list expressed interest in buying the 
> frameset but I am intrigued by the thought of installing the original, 
> slightly too short RBRD fork with canti bosses to take a 42 mm tire, and 
> (need to check this!) putting a 42 in the rear without a caliper, on a 
> wheel built around that otherwise apparently useless (*) S3X hub, with the 
> otherwise overly large (and very spare) 52 t Pro 5 Vis ring and a 15 t cog 
> for 89/67/56 gi (**) (89 for downhills because otherwise I detest the slop 
> in the hub. That Bullmoose looks like a very good bar to try.
>
> But this would mean no fenders, and even an upscale alternative to a 
> Raleigh Sports needs fenders.
>
> So I am starting to teeter back toward the side of selling the damned 
> thing.
>
> Or, does anyone want to trade (f + orig f + custom racks + well used 45 mm 
> fenders + new 35 mm fenders + that canti fork) for a good quality rigid 
> mountain bike, 26" or 29er, either a high-end steel NORBA-type without susp 
> fork, or something like a Monocog 29er? Single speed preferred. Full bike 
> from you, those parts from me, each takes care of own shipping.
>
> I've thought out loud before about a nicely riding beater for our very 
> occasional snows (but all the more fun for being very occasional; last 
> winter saw quite a bit of snow, but Big Ones are not the best tire for it) 
> and for general beating around without much care for the bike. A Monocog 
> 29er would be perfect; I owned one circa 2010 and rode if for a few years 
> before trading up to the Fargo.
>
> Anyone? If so, let's talk. 
>
> * Too much slop in the gears. The gaps are reversed to what a normal 
> person would choose, with a big gap between direct and second, and a 
> smaller gap between 2nd and 3d. If those ratios were reversed, much like 
> those of the old ASC -- direct, 90%, then a climbing gear 75% of 
> 3d/high/direct -- I would probably put up with the slop. 
>
> ** Downhill gear, because trying to keep up with a cruising gear on a 
> long, fast downhill when there is 30* of slop in the cranks is no fun at 
> all. It's even a pain in a 95% gear on this hub.
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 9:06 PM 'Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> Patrick, I apologize for the delay.  I don't use my laptop often and I 
>> was having trouble replying from my phone with the new version of google 
>> groups. Yes, those are Nitto/Fairweather Bullmoose bars for threadless 
>> setups. As for cruising gear, that's a good question.  I suspect in the 
>> 60-65" range, as that's what I've run fixed and single speed in the past.  
>> It's hard to specify a cruising gear with this, though, as I've commonly 
>> either been pushed along as my trailer catches the wind one way, or held 
>> back by it the other.  As far as my position, I find that I'm a bit more 
>> weighted toward my hands than I might like, but my trips are usually a 
>> couple/few miles each way, so not a concern.  It's definitely comfortable 
>> enough for grocery runs or quick errands.
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, PA USA
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 7:43:07 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> When I see such bikes -- very appealing; a modern and much better 
>>> re-invention of the Raleigh Sport, of which I've owned at least 3 -- I 
>>> think again about turning the 2003 Curt 26" wheel Riv Road custom into an 
>>> upright, tourist-type bar, B

Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.

What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.

Thanks, Patrick

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young  wrote:

>
> Hi Patrick.
>
> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>
> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
> measurements.
> dm me :
> kimyoung99@gmail
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>>
>> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
>> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
>> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
>> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
>> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
>> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42
>> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
>> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount
>> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and
>> rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp
>> (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
>> Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if
>> you experience any of these symptoms.
>>
>> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered" fenders
>> and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm fenders.
>>
>> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
>> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
>> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>>
>> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
>> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
>> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
>> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
>> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or
>> so, or maybe not.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

Hi Patrick.

I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
(but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)

if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and measurements.
dm me :
kimyoung99@gmail


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> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>
> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders (tight,
> but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that will take a
> 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs will affect the
> handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker than say a Ram
> while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition between straight
> and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42 under the bridges
> if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was designed for. The bike
> has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount to bolt brazed onto s
> stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and rather crude but
> effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp (mounts on front
> fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp. Lamps not included,
> void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if you experience any
> of these symptoms.
>
> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered" fenders
> and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm fenders.
>
> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>
> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or
> so, or maybe not.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Park TS-2Di Dial Indicator Gauge Set

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

2020-09-28 Thread Joel

I like the3 older better at least my eyes do.

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Attached photos show the seat stay cap (Seat Stay 1) used on pre-2020 Sams 
> and the current socket style as used on Clems, Homers, Roadinis and now 
> Sams.
> Glad you found a Sam in your size. Hope you like it as much as many of us 
> on the list like the ones we ride.
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> Best,
> Rich in ATL
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> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:33 AM Joel  wrote:
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>> Rich, I found a leftover 2019 Sam in 51cm, being built up as we speak.  I 
>> knew this one would fit me well as all of the specs were available and the 
>> help you gave me with measurements.  I also did not want to wait till 
>> October as I want to ride this bike this year as much as I can before the 
>> weather turns.  It should be ready for me tomorrow, had to iron a freewheel 
>> kink out.  
>>
>> I am not sure what socket seat stays are.  I was told the 51cm had no 
>> changes in chain stay length but we will find out very soon.  
>> Joel
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:19:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel:
>>>
>>> Changes also include:
>>> 1. Socketed seat stays
>>> 2. I'm pretty sure another centimeter has been added to the chain stays
>>>
>>> Interesting that the new small Sams have the 48cm seat tube that was 
>>> used on the first edition of Sams.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 1:40:45 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>>
 Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.  

 On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:

> Riv staff.
>
> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
>>> surprises me.  
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>>>
 If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested 
 in top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and 
 size 
 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.

 On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and 
> I don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is 
> splitting 
> hairs over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I 
> would 
> be surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the 
> top 
> tube lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop 
> bar and 
> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 
> cm 
> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that 
> the Sam 
> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, 
> though I'm 
> just postulating. 
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[RBW] Re: Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

2020-09-28 Thread 'islaysteve' via RBW Owners Bunch

That's a great-looking bike and a nice build, Paul.  I'm sure you will get 
the post-build kinks out in time for the second ride.  Enjoy your new Riv!


On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 1:32:31 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:

> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence of 
> late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding saddleundertightened 
> binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
> hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
> Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
> internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
> out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
> a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
> torque. 
>
> Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a 
> roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the 
> repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older 
> hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, 
> which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant if 
> I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home 
> anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I 
> should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I 
> usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the 
> stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some 
> somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.
>
> Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You know 
> what? All in all it was still a very nice ride
>
> Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good 
> time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm 
> actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.
>
> It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off the 
> bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
> hadn't dealt with that.
>
> I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>> Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
>> possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size was 
>> 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint flaws 
>> down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, visible in the 
>> naked frame photos.
>>
>> I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
>> lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for linking it, Peter. If Trevor has it now, it went from Peter 
>>> to me to Trevor.
>>>
>>> Peter asked me earlier offlist if the frame had been a little small for 
>>> me, and looking at my notes on the frame dims I said probably not. But now 
>>> looking at the built pix on flickr, yeah, definitely closer to "a little 
>>> too little" for me.
>>>
>>> All I've managed with the new Starck Riv so far is a coupla 
>>> round-the-block sweeps, which it handled nicely. I detected slight notes of 
>>> lemongrass, with a subtle smoky finish.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Peter Bridge wrote:

 On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-7 foolis...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Paul I might have your Riv. What color was it? Size?


 From my vague memory, kinda caramel maybe?  Maybe with an area that had 
 been sanded on the down tube?  Can't remember the color of the head tube.  
 Unless PB2 repainted it.

 Oh here we go, it's on Paul's flickr: 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/albums/72157637897698005 

 ~pb1   

>>>

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[RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.

You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders (tight,
but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that will take a
42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs will affect the
handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker than say a Ram
while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition between straight
and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42 under the bridges
if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was designed for. The bike
has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount to bolt brazed onto s
stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and rather crude but
effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp (mounts on front
fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp. Lamps not included,
void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if you experience any
of these symptoms.

You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered" fenders
and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm fenders.

Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.

I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my road
bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar. Rigid
26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium Monocog 29er
would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of installing a 52 t
crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or so, or maybe not.

---
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] WTB: Tall Quill to 1 1/8 Adaptor in Silver

2020-09-28 Thread Tom Wyland

Hi, I'm looking for the tall (220mm+) version of the quill to threadless 
adaptor.  Will the COVID bike boom they seem to be out of stock everywhere. 
There are plenty of the 80-110mm ones.  Silver is preferred.

If you have a tall quill stem that's 80mm or less reach that might work as 
well.  25.4 clamp size

Why am I not buying a new Nitto stem?  It's for a project and I'm not I 
want to stick with the 25.4 handlebars that are currently on the bike.


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[RBW] Re: Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence of 
late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding saddleundertightened 
binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
torque. 

Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a roadside 
fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the repair 
fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older hardened 
velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, which I 
didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant if I had 
repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home anyway 
to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I should 
probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I usually 
think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the stand, still 
oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some somewhat 
oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.

Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You know 
what? All in all it was still a very nice ride

Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good time. 
It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm actual 
width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.

It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off the 
bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
hadn't dealt with that.

I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
> possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.
>
> I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size was 
> 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint flaws 
> down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, visible in the 
> naked frame photos.
>
> I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
> lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for linking it, Peter. If Trevor has it now, it went from Peter to 
>> me to Trevor.
>>
>> Peter asked me earlier offlist if the frame had been a little small for 
>> me, and looking at my notes on the frame dims I said probably not. But now 
>> looking at the built pix on flickr, yeah, definitely closer to "a little 
>> too little" for me.
>>
>> All I've managed with the new Starck Riv so far is a coupla 
>> round-the-block sweeps, which it handled nicely. I detected slight notes of 
>> lemongrass, with a subtle smoky finish.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Peter Bridge wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-7 foolis...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Paul I might have your Riv. What color was it? Size?
>>>
>>>
>>> From my vague memory, kinda caramel maybe?  Maybe with an area that had 
>>> been sanded on the down tube?  Can't remember the color of the head tube.  
>>> Unless PB2 repainted it.
>>>
>>> Oh here we go, it's on Paul's flickr: 
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/albums/72157637897698005 
>>>
>>> ~pb1   
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

2020-09-28 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

I checked the mileage from Atlantic Highlands to Sandy Hook light using
Bing maps. They show 9.3M, which is shorter than I thought.

So here is a summary with mileage rounded up:

Henry Hudson Trail (HHT), North Section, Matewan to Atlantic Highlands,
12M HHT brochure, Monmouth Co Parks
Atlantic Highlands to Sandy Hook Light, city streets, NJ36 bridge over
bay 10M Bing Maps
Total 1 way Distance
22M
Round Trip Distance, with some extra miles thrown in
50M Really FLAT terrain, RR bed and sea
level streets/roads

If the Basic Group is 12-14 mph, then Total Riding Time is about 4H.
Total Clock time is probably 5 to 6 H depending on how many stops.

The Matewan trail head has these advantages
1 Easy access from/to the GSP for folks coming in car. Exit GSP, turn
left, go over the GSP on overpass, make 1st right and 1 block to HHT. Very
minimal local road travel required. 99M from southern NJ on NJTP, NJ440, &
GSP, 1H 45M travel time
2 Easy access from/to the Matewan RR station for folks from NYC on NJ
Transit. About 1M of city streets and NO major highway travel

The eastern end of the HHT in Atlantic Highlands has a HHT Activity Center,
which may have restrooms and water fountains. Can stop going out and
coming back.

Overall starting in Matewan makes a lot of sense: reasonable 50M ride
distance and time over FLAT terrain, *possible* restrooms at 12M out and
35M back, good commuter train access. A 50M ride is reasonable given the
distances folks will be travelling to get there.

Can someone local confirm or correct this.I would check out myself, but
it's pretty far to travel (99M, and tolls)

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ, the Garden Spot of the Garden State

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

2020-09-28 Thread Bob Ehrenbeck

Starting from Atlantic Highlands (First Ave & Hennessey), it's about 4 
miles to the ocean (after passing through the town of Highlands and then 
crossing the Rt. 36 bridge, which has cycling/ped infrastructure). From the 
bridge, the basic loop to the end of Sandy Hook and back to the bridge is 
around 12 miles (of course, it's more if you decide to ride around and hit 
up all some interesting points up there). So, the trip from AH to SH and 
back to AH will be about 20-25 miles.

Now if one were to start at the Matawan train station, it's around 11 miles 
to reach Atlantic Highlands, so the trip from Matawan to Sandy Hook and 
back will then be roughly 45 miles. (To use Jan Heine's terms, think of 
that portion as the "transport stage" to reach the start of the "official" 
ride at AH!)

Another option for those coming by train would be to continue south along 
the ocean after Sandy Hook and take Rt. 36/Ocean Ave for most of the way to 
pick up the return train at Long Branch (it's 7 miles from the Rt. 36 
bridge to the station). So that trip from Matawan to AH to SH to LB would 
be around 34 miles.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 7:31:02 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> A possible Start/End could be the Henry Hudson Trailhead at Broadway/Lloyd 
> Rd/Gerard Ave in Aberdeen/Keyport.  Looks like 32 parking spots at the 
> trail head.  The Matawan train station looks to be < 1M and has city 
> streets to the trail head for the NYC folks.
>
> 12M along trail to Popamora Point (Highlands??) and you avoid Rt 36.  
>  Don't know how far it is to Sandy Hook from there.  Possibly 60 to 70M 
> total if going out to Sandy Hook.  Would need to start about 0900 or 
> earlier??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

2020-09-28 Thread Joel

Rich, I found a leftover 2019 Sam in 51cm, being built up as we speak.  I 
knew this one would fit me well as all of the specs were available and the 
help you gave me with measurements.  I also did not want to wait till 
October as I want to ride this bike this year as much as I can before the 
weather turns.  It should be ready for me tomorrow, had to iron a freewheel 
kink out.  

I am not sure what socket seat stays are.  I was told the 51cm had no 
changes in chain stay length but we will find out very soon.  
Joel
On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:19:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hi Joel:
>
> Changes also include:
> 1. Socketed seat stays
> 2. I'm pretty sure another centimeter has been added to the chain stays
>
> Interesting that the new small Sams have the 48cm seat tube that was used 
> on the first edition of Sams.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 1:40:45 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.  
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:
>>
>>> Riv staff.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>>
 Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 

 On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
> surprises me.  
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>
>> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested 
>> in top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and 
>> size 
>> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>>
>> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
>>> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting 
>>> hairs 
>>> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
>>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
>>> tube 
>>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
>>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
>>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
>>> Sam 
>>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though 
>>> I'm 
>>> just postulating. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: FS: Park TS-2Di Dial Indicator Gauge Set

2020-09-28 Thread J. Laing Conley, PE, LEED AP

Just sold pending payment. You are 1st in line if that falls through.

Laing



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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Park TS-2Di Dial Indicator Gauge Set

Hi Laing,
Will take them if its still available.
Let me know where to send paypal payment.
Thanks


On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:11 PM, lconley 
mailto:lcon...@brph.com>> wrote:

Price dropped to $110 OBO shipped CONUS.
Best tool I ever bough for truing wheels (other than the truing stand itself). 
Allows me to adjust out of round and side to side simultaneously more easily 
instead of alternating. When adjusting side to side, you can look at the other 
gauge and see if you should tighten one spoke (high spot) loosen one spoke (low 
spot) or tighten and loosen simultaneously (not high or low).

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I somehow ended up with two of these. New - unused, only taken out of the box 
to photograph. Dial indicators to attach to Park truing stand. $130 shipped 
CONUS or best offer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

2020-09-28 Thread RichS

Hi Joel:

Changes also include:
1. Socketed seat stays
2. I'm pretty sure another centimeter has been added to the chain stays

Interesting that the new small Sams have the 48cm seat tube that was used 
on the first edition of Sams.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 1:40:45 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.  
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:
>
>> Riv staff.
>>
>> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
 surprises me.  

 On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:

> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in 
> top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 
> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>
> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
>> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting 
>> hairs 
>> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
>> tube 
>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
>> Sam 
>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though 
>> I'm 
>> just postulating. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Clem L Weight

2020-09-28 Thread 97r...@gmail.com

I needed to weigh my Clem L for a trailer load/balance exercise. I had 
trouble finding a reliable weight anywhere, so here it is for future 
reference. 

38 lbs 
Stock 59 cm build
Brooks B67 saddle
Pletscher rear rack and kickstand
AXA Frame lock
Sackville bar tube bag


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Park TS-2Di Dial Indicator Gauge Set

2020-09-28 Thread Ed Fausto

Hi Laing,
Will take them if its still available.
Let me know where to send paypal payment.
Thanks

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:11 PM, lconley  wrote:
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> Price dropped to $110 OBO shipped CONUS.
> Best tool I ever bough for truing wheels (other than the truing stand 
> itself). Allows me to adjust out of round and side to side simultaneously 
> more easily instead of alternating. When adjusting side to side, you can look 
> at the other gauge and see if you should tighten one spoke (high spot) loosen 
> one spoke (low spot) or tighten and loosen simultaneously (not high or low).
> 
>> On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 3:59:26 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> I somehow ended up with two of these. New - unused, only taken out of the 
>> box to photograph. Dial indicators to attach to Park truing stand. $130 
>> shipped CONUS or best offer.
>> 
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
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[RBW] Re: FS: Park TS-2Di Dial Indicator Gauge Set