date:20210212

Roberta, 

That mermaid blue is so pretty! As I alluded to in my "chameleon" comment 
the first couple pics I saw seemed green, then the last ones Leah posted 
definitely show the blue. I'll bet it's going to keep color-shifting in the 
sun like her Raspberry Metallic Platy does and will be *spectacular. *I 
can't wait to see it!

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 9:27:25 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Both colors are nice, but that green is special! Mark, that green would 
> look right at home with your other colorful bikes.
> Roberta (getting the mermaid blue but love the green )
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:25:20 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> It can be hard to judge from a non-product photo on the internet, but it 
>> does have a green cast to my eye. Almost looks like my circa 1969 Rollfast 
>> stingray, which I've always thought of as sea foam green 
>> .
>>  
>> Which apparently covers a broad palette. It's in there somewhere
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green and 
>>> GREEN. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝



 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
> qualify as stealing )."
>
>
> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t 
>> make 
>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>
>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell 
>> in love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
>> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
>> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode 
>> coast 
>> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s 
>> size, 
>> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks 
>> this 
>> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding 
>> it 
>> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
>> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says 
>> it’s 
>> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s 
>> getting 
>> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with 
>> her 
>> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
>> Rivs, so what a gift.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from 
>>> Will. No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when 
>>> they go live! I think they’ll be gone.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post 
 is obsolete

 Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson 
 wrote:

> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
> running a bit slow.
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine 
>> Mermaid Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as 
>> BBDD, 
>> it will be my retirement bike.
>>
>> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
>> they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized

[RBW] Re: My Rambouillet Build

2021-02-12 Thread Evan E.

Beautiful! Congratulations!

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

> Opps. Here is a photo of the whole bike...
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed with Silver DT shifters works great!

2021-02-12 Thread Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA

One should note that Shimano’s 11-speed *MTB* rear derailleurs require more 
cable pull to shift over 11 speeds than Shimano’s own 11-speed *road* rear 
derailleurs, like your Ultegra 6800. The difference is not trivial and 
exceeds 20%. Thus, one needs to qualify one’s statement about whether 
Silver DT shifters pull enough cable, because they may not for the MTB 
Dyna-Sys rear derailleurs that some favor for the larger gear capacity and 
chain wrap.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm sure to most, this is a 'no duh' situation but throwing my hat in for 
> the approval vote regardless. If there are any die-hard 9 speed friction 
> fans out there like me, this might be of interest. 
> Before I thought: 
>
> A) the Silver DT shifters don't pull enough cable to fit 11 speed
> B) I'd be spending the majority of the ride feathering the gears 
>
> Wrong and wrong. It works shockingly well, perhaps even better than 8-9 
> speeds perhaps because there's simply less room to mess it up. Now I 
> probably wouldn't enjoy it as much with shifters that didn't utilize the 
> ratcheting system since I can feel how the ratchet sorta auto-corrects the 
> right engagement point when I'm changing gears but that's a topic of 
> personal taste. 
>
> My setup is an Ultegra 6800 long cage rear mech, 11 speed chain, 11-34 105 
> cassette, and a Grand Cru 50.4 46-30 crankset.  
>
> Obviously the downside of all this is cost but if anyone was building up 
> something new and was 11 speed friction curious, give it a shot! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

Ok the Bliver is going to be a chameleon bike for sure: Too green for ya? 
Wait 5 minutes, now it's blue! 

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 9:27:56 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green and 
> GREEN. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
>>> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
>>> qualify as stealing )."
>>>
>>>
>>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
 Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
 you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
 grammar in that sentence, woah...) 

 Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
 really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
 love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
 neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
 bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
 to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s 
 size, 
 and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
 fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
 (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
 that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
 the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
 the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with 
 her 
 for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
 Rivs, so what a gift.
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021

 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from 
> Will. No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when 
> they go live! I think they’ll be gone.
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>> obsolete
>>
>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
>>> running a bit slow.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine 
 Mermaid Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as 
 BBDD, 
 it will be my retirement bike.

 I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
 they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
 blue 
 wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
 spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 
 drive 
 train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
 pair 
 of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then 
 I 
 have Albatross.

 If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
 time in Vermont.  

 I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
 built up bikes!

 Roberta

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle 
 Ding Ding! wrote:

> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, 
> do you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  
> wrote:
>
> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>
>
> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>
> I think the website has just been updated to show

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

2021-02-12 Thread Roberta

Both colors are nice, but that green is special! Mark, that green would 
look right at home with your other colorful bikes.
Roberta (getting the mermaid blue but love the green )

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:25:20 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> It can be hard to judge from a non-product photo on the internet, but it 
> does have a green cast to my eye. Almost looks like my circa 1969 Rollfast 
> stingray, which I've always thought of as sea foam green 
> .
>  
> Which apparently covers a broad palette. It's in there somewhere
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green and 
>> GREEN. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
 taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
 qualify as stealing )."


 I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!


 On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>
> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell 
> in love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s 
> size, 
> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks 
> this 
> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding 
> it 
> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says 
> it’s 
> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with 
> her 
> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
> Rivs, so what a gift.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from 
>> Will. No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when 
>> they go live! I think they’ll be gone.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post 
>>> is obsolete
>>>
>>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
 running a bit slow.

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine 
> Mermaid Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as 
> BBDD, 
> it will be my retirement bike.
>
> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
> they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
> blue 
> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 
> drive 
> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
> pair 
> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, 
> then I 
> have Albatross.
>
> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the 
> same time in Vermont.

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

It can be hard to judge from a non-product photo on the internet, but it 
does have a green cast to my eye. Almost looks like my circa 1969 Rollfast 
stingray, which I've always thought of as sea foam green 
.

Which apparently covers a broad palette. It's in there somewhere
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green and 
> GREEN. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
>>> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
>>> qualify as stealing )."
>>>
>>>
>>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
 Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
 you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
 grammar in that sentence, woah...) 

 Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
 really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
 love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
 neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
 bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
 to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s 
 size, 
 and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
 fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
 (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
 that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
 the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
 the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with 
 her 
 for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
 Rivs, so what a gift.
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021

 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from 
> Will. No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when 
> they go live! I think they’ll be gone.
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>> obsolete
>>
>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
>>> running a bit slow.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine 
 Mermaid Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as 
 BBDD, 
 it will be my retirement bike.

 I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
 they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
 blue 
 wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
 spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 
 drive 
 train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
 pair 
 of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then 
 I 
 have Albatross.

 If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
 time in Vermont.  

 I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
 built up bikes!

 Roberta

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle 
 Ding Ding! wrote:

> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, 
> do you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?

[RBW] Re: 11 speed with Silver DT shifters works great!

2021-02-12 Thread Philip Williamson

Andrew, your success makes me happy.
I did a 1x11 a few years ago, with a Silver downtube shifter. That feeling 
of “wait, this is EASIER,” was unexpected. I agree that it’s probably 
because there is less room to do it wrong.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm sure to most, this is a 'no duh' situation but throwing my hat in for 
> the approval vote regardless. If there are any die-hard 9 speed friction 
> fans out there like me, this might be of interest. 
> Before I thought: 
>
> A) the Silver DT shifters don't pull enough cable to fit 11 speed
> B) I'd be spending the majority of the ride feathering the gears 
>
> Wrong and wrong. It works shockingly well, perhaps even better than 8-9 
> speeds perhaps because there's simply less room to mess it up. Now I 
> probably wouldn't enjoy it as much with shifters that didn't utilize the 
> ratcheting system since I can feel how the ratchet sorta auto-corrects the 
> right engagement point when I'm changing gears but that's a topic of 
> personal taste. 
>
> My setup is an Ultegra 6800 long cage rear mech, 11 speed chain, 11-34 105 
> cassette, and a Grand Cru 50.4 46-30 crankset.  
>
> Obviously the downside of all this is cost but if anyone was building up 
> something new and was 11 speed friction curious, give it a shot! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

2021-02-12 Thread Leah Peterson

No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green and 
> GREEN. 
> 
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
 taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
 qualify as stealing )."
>>> 
 
 I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
 
 
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
> 
> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s 
> size, and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple 
> weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been 
> out riding it (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She 
> fell hard for that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a 
> Platypus. She says it’s the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 
> 30 years! She’s getting the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up 
> this summer and pose with her for pics of our Platys. I know so few 
> people in my “real life” who have Rivs, so what a gift.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
> 
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
>> No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they 
>> go live! I think they’ll be gone.
>> Leah
>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>>> obsolete
>>> 
>>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
 I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
 running a bit slow.
 
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it 
> will be my retirement bike.
> 
> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
> they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
> blue wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, 
> head spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  
> 1x11 drive train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  
> I bought a pair of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high 
> enough for me, then I have Albatross.
> 
> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
> time in Vermont.  
> 
> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
> built up bikes!
> 
> Roberta
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle 
>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
>> you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
 
>>> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>> 
>>> 
>>> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
>>> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>>> 
>>> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
>>> available to order.
>>> 
 On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

2021-02-12 Thread Philip Williamson

I enjoy the “Bike Brand Guru = ‘70s Guitar God” game way more than I enjoy 
listening to ‘70s guitar gods.
I only know Rory Gallagher from the Black 47 song “Rory.”

I’ll watch the Russ video later, and then comment if I have anything to say.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-8 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> I absolutely agree with Ben's point about how both Rivendell and Crust 
> have tried to build up a subculture around their brands that is about more 
> than just the bikes. 
> At the same time, doing this helps people get an idea of what you can do 
> with the bikes they make, e.g. the way the Scapegoat is a model designed by 
> someone who does
> a very specific sort of riding.
>
> Couple more guitarist-frame builder connections:
>
> Tom Ritchey > Tony Iommi: Played pivotal role in creation of entire genre. 
> Had to compete with a flamboyant frontman to get credit (Ozzy/Gary Fisher)
> JP Weigle > Robert Fripp: Perfectionist with distinctive style. Not well 
> known outside the circle of cognoscenti
>
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 19:43, Ben Miller  wrote:
>
>> Okay, okay, I have to admit Johnny's comparisons of "Riv is to the Dead 
>> as Crust is to Bowie" got a laugh out of me. That and some of the other 
>> comments got me thinking a bit, Riv and Crust are more than just the bikes. 
>> Sure other bike companies were influenced by Grant: Surly, Velo Orange, 
>> Rawland, etc, but I'd make a case that they lack the personality that Riv 
>> and Crust have. 
>>
>> Crust literally started because Matt made the bikes that he and his 
>> friends wanted to ride: Evasion/Matt, Scapegoat/The Goat, Cheeco/Angelica, 
>> and Romanceur/Ronnie. That's pretty bold and subversive in a Riv way. And 
>> these are bikes that definitely didn't exist in any other form at the time. 
>> In many ways, the Bombora which Russ used in the comparisons is the most 
>> "normal" bike in the Crust lineup (Dan from Bike Insights made a flowchart 
>> and to get to the Bombora the answer is "Man, I just want a bike. I'm not a 
>> weirdo")
>>
>> But even more than that, the team a Crust is then filled out with these 
>> personalities. Much like Riv highlighting their team through "Staff Bikes" 
>> and their Instagram account, Crust does that too with their Elevator to 
>> Hell videos. And both companies use their platform to raise awareness to 
>> causes they care about. Crust's sponsoring of the Slim One because they can 
>> and think it is the right thing to do is along the same lines as Riv's BRF 
>> experiment, though perhaps less controversial. And Grant being open about 
>> cash flow problems isn't that different from Crust taking a break over 
>> holidays and being open about feeling overwhelmed at the time. 
>>
>> All this adds up to two companies that are almost as much about the 
>> people as the bikes. I find myself routing for Grant and Matt, hoping their 
>> projects work out even if I don't want that particular one for myself. I 
>> definitely can't say that about Surly or New Albion. In a way, both 
>> companies are a bit like custom builders because of that, you feel a 
>> personal connection. I think that is what the makes the Rivendell vs Crust 
>> comparison so unique. 
>>
>> As far as guitarists: James Iha, Dave Navarro, John Frusciante. Yes, I am 
>> Gen X.
>>
>> (Disclaimer: I will tip my hat to Velo Orange, especially when Chris at 
>> the helm, feels like a company that had a real personal touch and a sense 
>> of humor) 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:44:58 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Just to clarify, I'm certainly not getting bent because I'm not a fan of 
>>> the video editing (or the content, for that matter.) And whether or not he 
>>> is making money, or is trying to make money, or is performing a public 
>>> service because he enjoys the luxury of enough free time to do so, is not 
>>> really relevant. He is obviously sincere in what he does and seems to have 
>>> a decent following. And good for him. After watching the video above, I 
>>> would not be able to use it to make a decision as to which bike might be 
>>> better for me. On the one hand, he refers to the Bombora as spicey and 
>>> sporty. On the other, he says the Riv's steering is quicker, but keeps 
>>> calling it relaxed and chill. Hard to tell, but it looks like maybe the 
>>> Bombora has more drop from saddle to bars. Who knows. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 12:15:36 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love bike comparison videos of every kind. I want to see Rivs vs Rivs 
 with some tiny difference, Riv vs Crusts, Surlys, carbon TT bikes, 
 everything. I want to see "I took my Electra Townie to a pump track", 
 "super-low-trail bike vs penny farthing for grocery getter", "55 Atlantis 
 29er vs 56 Atlantis 650b", "Same bike with 12 different handlebar setups", 
 etc.  

 I like what Russ at Path Less Pedaled is doing; he's all about the

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

Legnano green. Yeah, amazing is right. I. Do. Not. Need. This. Bike. But 
maybe I should get it for when my son gets older...

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:57:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
>> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
>> qualify as stealing )."
>>
>>
>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
>>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>>
>>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
>>> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
>>> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
>>> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
>>> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, 
>>> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
>>> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
>>> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
>>> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
>>> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
>>> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her 
>>> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
>>> Rivs, so what a gift.
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from 
 Will. No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when 
 they go live! I think they’ll be gone.
 Leah

 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
> obsolete
>
> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
>> running a bit slow.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
>>> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it 
>>> will 
>>> be my retirement bike.
>>>
>>> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
>>> they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
>>> blue 
>>> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
>>> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
>>> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
>>> pair 
>>> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then 
>>> I 
>>> have Albatross.
>>>
>>> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
>>> time in Vermont.  
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
>>> built up bikes!
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle 
>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
 you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:

 From Will’s email on the 19 December:


 “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
 they'll be up on the site early February.”

 I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
 available to order.

 On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:

> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard 
> about timing? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

 Jason wrote: *Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there 
but quite pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the 
"click bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed 
the actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
apparently gets asked a lot.  *

I don't think anybody here missed the intention of the title, especially 
since the OP says right up front that the video is "less provocative." And 
that is not the quote. The quote is "What I get asked is, is this bike 
better than this one." He decides to use as an example two bikes he owns, a 
Rivendell Sam Hillborne and a Crust Bombora. The title is Rivendell vs 
Crust! Which Is Better? The intention of the title is to get people to 
watch the video. Which is what a good title is supposed to do. What puts it 
kind of in the clickbait realm is, the video is not about one bike company 
vs another bike company. Also, he does not answer even the specific 
question of which of these two models is "better." So it's mildly deceptive 
and it doesn't deliver the answer to the question it poses, the definition 
of clickbait.

Certainly, most people who subscribe to the channel or know these bike 
companies know that any title with versus in it is not going to deliver, 
especially when the question is which is better. It's all kind of silly, 
right? But we still like the idea that somebody is going to come down on 
one side or the other, just so we can totally agree. Or totally disagree.  
It fulfills the same role as gossip. And It doesn't matter. Just like this 
thread doesn't matter. It's cheap, harmless fun during a cold & snowy 
mid-winter  snap (at least here in the Northeast). Although he did not make 
any declarations, it does seem as though he goes for the Hillborne more 
these days. So I'm going with Rivendell FTW by decision. And after watching 
the thing, I confirmed my initial opinion that I wasn't interested. But 
since I didn't fall for the initial clickbait, I'm really not the target 
audience anyway. I admire him for eking out a place in the online bicycle 
space, it's crowded out there. It's 19 degrees F in Beacon right now, 
supposed to get down to 12 by morning.  
*Path Less Pedaled* = The Traveling Wilburys 

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite 
> pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click 
> bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the 
> actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
> apparently gets asked a lot. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

 Jason wrote: Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there 
but quite pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the 
"click bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed 
the actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
apparently gets asked a lot.  

I don't think anybody here missed the intention of the title, especially 
since the OP says right up front that the video is "less provocative." And 
that is not the quote. The quote is "What I get asked is, is this bike 
better than this one." He decides to use as an example two bikes he owns, a 
Rivendell Sam Hillborne and a Crust Bombora. The title is Rivendell vs 
Crust! Which Is Better? The intention of the title is to get people to 
watch the video. Which is what a good title is supposed to do. What puts it 
kind of in the clickbait realm is, the video is not about one bike company 
vs another bike company. Also, he does not answer even the specific 
question of which of these two models is "better." So it's mildly deceptive 
and it doesn't deliver the answer to the question it poses, the definition 
of clickbait.

Certainly, most people who subscribe to the channel or know these bike 
companies know that any title with versus in it is not going to deliver, 
especially when the question is which is better. It's all kind of silly, 
right? But we still like the idea that somebody is going to come down on 
one side or the other, just so we can totally agree. Or totally disagree.  
It fulfills the same role as gossip. And It doesn't matter. Just like this 
thread doesn't matter. It's cheap, harmless fun during a cold & snowy 
mid-winter  snap (at least here in the Northeast). Although he did not make 
any declarations, it does seem as though he goes for the Hillborne more 
these days. So I'm going with Rivendell FTW by decision. And after watching 
the thing, I confirmed my initial opinion that I wasn't interested. But 
since I didn't fall for the initial clickbait, I'm really not the target 
audience anyway. I admire him for eking out a place in the online bicycle 
space, it's crowded out there. It's 19 degrees F in Beacon right now, 
supposed to get down to 12 by morning.  
*Path Less Pedaled* = The Traveling Wilburys 
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite 
> pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click 
> bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the 
> actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
> apparently gets asked a lot. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝



On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
> qualify as stealing )."
>
>
> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>
>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
>> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
>> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
>> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
>> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, 
>> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
>> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
>> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
>> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
>> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
>> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her 
>> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
>> Rivs, so what a gift.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
>>> No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
>>> live! I think they’ll be gone.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
 obsolete

 Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
> running a bit slow.
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
>> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it 
>> will 
>> be my retirement bike.
>>
>> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
>> they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
>> blue 
>> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
>> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
>> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
>> pair 
>> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then I 
>> have Albatross.
>>
>> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
>> time in Vermont.  
>>
>> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
>> built up bikes!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
>>> you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>>>
>>> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>>>
>>>
>>> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
>>> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>>>
>>> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
>>> available to order.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
 timing? 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

2021-02-12 Thread REC

It’srealluy pretty even with the yellow lighting. Look at the head tube color. 
It should be cream. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 2021, at 10:30 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had taken 
>> the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not qualify 
>> as stealing )."
>> 
>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
>>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>> 
>>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, really. 
>>> When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in love with a 
>>> light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door neighbors just happen 
>>> to be bike people, but they don’t presently own bikes. They are about my 
>>> parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast to coast, a trip they 
>>> remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, and Linda tried it 
>>> out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda 
>>> confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this 
>>> somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for that little 
>>> Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s the first 
>>> time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting the blue. 
>>> What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her for pics 
>>> of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have Rivs, so 
>>> what a gift.
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>> 
 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
 No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
 live! I think they’ll be gone.
 Leah
 
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
> obsolete
> 
> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain running 
>> a bit slow.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
>>> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it 
>>> will be my retirement bike.
>>> 
>>> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so they 
>>> can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of blue 
>>> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
>>> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
>>> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
>>> pair of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, 
>>> then I have Albatross.
>>> 
>>> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
>>> time in Vermont.  
>>> 
>>> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
>>> built up bikes!
>>> 
>>> Roberta
>>> 
 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:
 I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
 you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>> 
> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
 
> 
> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
> they'll be up on the site early February.”
> 
> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
> available to order.
> 
>> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
>> timing? 
> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB few parts for my Atlantis

2021-02-12 Thread Hugh Smitham

Bill asked if I had an Atlantis that bridged between the old MUSA/Japan
version and the MIT version?

Bill knows his RIV's I'll give him that. It's an MIT modern version, no
downtube bosses and it's a 53cm so 650b.

For what's it's worth I appreciate the stem shifter recommendation.

Hugh Smitham
LA, CA

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 6:46 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Hugh asked for a 26.8mm seatpost, 650B tires, and downtube shifters for
> his Atlantis.
>
> Are you sure your Atlantis frame will take downtube shifters?  Old MUSA
> and Japan Atlantis' had downtube shifter bosses, but those frames were 700C
> or 26".  The newer MIT Atlantis take 650B in the medium sizes, and take a
> 26.8mm seat post, but those frames don't have downtube shifter bosses.
> Those newer MIT Atlantis' just have housing stops.
>
> Is your Atlantis some bridge between the two versions?
>
> I run stem shifters on my MIT Atlantis and my Hillborne highly recommend
> them, for what it's worth.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 4:01:57 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Hi Kind People,
>>
>> Looking for a few bits and pieces to put my seafoam yacht afloat.
>>
>> 1. Paul Motolites, I have heard they're a pain to setup but they just
>> look so good. Preference is silver but I'll entertain other colors.
>> 2. S83 post in 26.8mm x 300mm
>> 3. Down tube shifters. I've got some stem shifters coming from my buddy
>> Ryan but I'd also like to try out the simplicity of down tube shifters.
>> 4 650B x 48 Switchback Hill TC Tires. Or Schwabe G-one bite 11601057
>> 54-584 (27.5 x 2.10) SnakeSkin, TL EasyOneStar Black
>> 5. Nitto Losco bar, God it just looks fantastic!
>>
>> I that's it for now.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Hugh
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB few parts for my Atlantis

2021-02-12 Thread Bill Lindsay

Hugh asked for a 26.8mm seatpost, 650B tires, and downtube shifters for his 
Atlantis.

Are you sure your Atlantis frame will take downtube shifters?  Old MUSA and 
Japan Atlantis' had downtube shifter bosses, but those frames were 700C or 
26".  The newer MIT Atlantis take 650B in the medium sizes, and take a 
26.8mm seat post, but those frames don't have downtube shifter bosses.  
Those newer MIT Atlantis' just have housing stops.  

Is your Atlantis some bridge between the two versions?  

I run stem shifters on my MIT Atlantis and my Hillborne highly recommend 
them, for what it's worth. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 4:01:57 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Hi Kind People,
>
> Looking for a few bits and pieces to put my seafoam yacht afloat.
>
> 1. Paul Motolites, I have heard they're a pain to setup but they just look 
> so good. Preference is silver but I'll entertain other colors.
> 2. S83 post in 26.8mm x 300mm
> 3. Down tube shifters. I've got some stem shifters coming from my buddy 
> Ryan but I'd also like to try out the simplicity of down tube shifters.
> 4 650B x 48 Switchback Hill TC Tires. Or Schwabe G-one bite 11601057 
> 54-584 (27.5 x 2.10) SnakeSkin, TL EasyOneStar Black
> 5. Nitto Losco bar, God it just looks fantastic!
>
> I that's it for now. 
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

Andrew,

I'm not looking at my order history. When you include last year's custom 
the number is probably shocking! 

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:01:44 PM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Dave, it's better than the old site, thanks! 
>
> My initial suggestions are to (1) have the masthead "stick" to the top of 
> the browser window, so I always have access to the triple-bar widget, and 
> the human head,magnifying glass,and shopping cart icons. (please consider 
> activating the script that will let their proper functions appear as a 
> strip of text when the mouse is hovered over them), and (2) work to let 
> each page have some reference anchor back to the page or category it came 
> from. For instance the "Saddle Sores" page is a helpful article amidst the 
> collection of cycling tips, but I don't know that it's one of several 
> articles in a group on cycling tips when I'm there looking at it.
>
> And bravo on the order history in the view of my account! Wow, I have 
> spent a lot at RBW over the years :-)
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:56:21 PM UTC-8 Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, 
>>
>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>
>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>> to the homepage.
>>
>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>
>> Dave Schonenberg
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Berkeleyan

Dave, it's better than the old site, thanks! 

My initial suggestions are to (1) have the masthead "stick" to the top of 
the browser window, so I always have access to the triple-bar widget, and 
the human head,magnifying glass,and shopping cart icons. (please consider 
activating the script that will let their proper functions appear as a 
strip of text when the mouse is hovered over them), and (2) work to let 
each page have some reference anchor back to the page or category it came 
from. For instance the "Saddle Sores" page is a helpful article amidst the 
collection of cycling tips, but I don't know that it's one of several 
articles in a group on cycling tips when I'm there looking at it.

And bravo on the order history in the view of my account! Wow, I have spent 
a lot at RBW over the years :-)

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:56:21 PM UTC-8 Dave wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
>
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
> to the homepage.
>
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>
> Dave Schonenberg
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sorta-OT: Indoor trainers

Thanks Ryan, this is very helpful input. 

Joe

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:57:00 PM UTC-8 Ryan M. wrote:

> I've ridden quite a bit on trainers and have a direct drive Wahoo Kickr, 
> before that a wheel on fluid trainer and before that a wheel on mag 
> trainer. The Kickr is totally worth the extra cost, IMHO, especially if you 
> plan to use a subscription plan like Zwift. The ability to use erg mode, 
> which is the mode where the app controls the resistance, makes the whole 
> experience more pleasant. I find it also easier to set up the direct drive 
> units compared to the wheel on (plus you don't wear out your tire).
>
> I use Trainerroad for interval stuff but have used thesufferfest and Zwift 
> too. I liked Zwift more than Thesufferfest just because sometimes you just 
> want to get the legs moving and not destroy your will to live, and 
> sufferfest is aptly named. Although, Sufferfest has these workouts with 
> this guy Mike Cotty where they are more for base training. Mike rides 
> through extremely nice looking areas and talks about the route some, which 
> I thought was well done. You can also check out the Col Collective on 
> Youtube which is by Mike. Watching that on youtube while riding the trainer 
> has been useful as a distraction. Really well shot and edited stuff...but 
> I'm digressing. 
>
> Trainerroad has a ton of different workouts and workout plans for the 
> cyclist, but it will not give you anything to watch. I do like throwing on 
> some movie I've seen a hundred times and using that as distraction while 
> using the app. Trainerroad is great if you really want to plan your 
> workouts, it has a great calendar feature, and it will get you faster on 
> the bike, but it becomes more of a chore and you have to supply the mental 
> distraction to riding inside. Zwift, on the other hand, can be just a fun 
> game where you ride around different virtual areas and try to upgrade your 
> bike. 
>
> Your question reminds me that I need to get off the couch and start using 
> that trainer more during this ridiculously cold pandemic winter. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:14:33 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Rivsters,
>>
>> I've been looking into this for weeks and am quite amazed at how little 
>> progress I've made in coming to a decision. All the reviews on this stuff 
>> are from 25yo 135 lbs. "roadies" who ride carbon wunderbikes outside and I 
>> can't imagine their impressions are going to mean a hill of beans to me. So 
>> maybe folks who ride the kind of bikes I ride can help. 
>>
>> The situation: My riding outside time is limited right now and looks to 
>> be remaining that way for a good 6 more months, and I'm becoming hopelessly 
>> out of shape and can't wait anymore..I need to ride! I thought about 
>> Peloton-type bikes but I think I'd rather hook my lovely Riv Custom up to a 
>> smart trainer and actually ride the bike I own. I'm leaning towards 
>> direct-drive like Wahoo Kickr or Tacx Neo 2T instead of the kind that keeps 
>> the rear wheel on. It's more money but my goal is a thing I'll use and like 
>> more than counting pennies. I'll be using apps like Zwift for mimicking 
>> road rides and maybe the Peloton app for classes with instructors. 
>>
>> Does anyone here have any experience with these contraptions? 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

It's a little clunky for me, too, but I suspect I think this every time 
they update the site. I'm going to give it a couple weeks to forget how the 
old one worked. 



On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:24:56 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:

> Not to compare...but the Velo Orange site of course does not have the 
> quality to photos that Riv does but 1000% useable and easy to navigate. Why 
> when you are in a category do you have to look down at the bottom of each 
> page to make the screen advance to next page. Why not simply load the whole 
> category worth of items = fiddly. I too appreciate the challenge and hope 
> the new look serves Riv in a way that makes for happy everyone. My first 
> brief look suggests clunky. 
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:02:08 PM UTC-8 Chris L wrote:
>
>> The product pages, with some large photos and many small photos is very 
>> unfriendly and if you want to change categories, you have to scroll all the 
>> way back to the top to find the three little lines (which are almost 
>> invisible in those huge b images at the top) and click it again.  Maybe 
>> once in the products sections, keep the navigating tree visible?  If 
>> possible.  And make all of the product links the larger size.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:56:21 PM UTC-6 Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, 
>>>
>>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>>
>>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>>> to the homepage.
>>>
>>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>>
>>> Dave Schonenberg
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Zac Terrones

Does anyone know where the scans of grant's pics that were recently 
uploaded went?

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:24:56 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:

> Not to compare...but the Velo Orange site of course does not have the 
> quality to photos that Riv does but 1000% useable and easy to navigate. Why 
> when you are in a category do you have to look down at the bottom of each 
> page to make the screen advance to next page. Why not simply load the whole 
> category worth of items = fiddly. I too appreciate the challenge and hope 
> the new look serves Riv in a way that makes for happy everyone. My first 
> brief look suggests clunky. 
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:02:08 PM UTC-8 Chris L wrote:
>
>> The product pages, with some large photos and many small photos is very 
>> unfriendly and if you want to change categories, you have to scroll all the 
>> way back to the top to find the three little lines (which are almost 
>> invisible in those huge b images at the top) and click it again.  Maybe 
>> once in the products sections, keep the navigating tree visible?  If 
>> possible.  And make all of the product links the larger size.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:56:21 PM UTC-6 Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, 
>>>
>>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>>
>>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>>> to the homepage.
>>>
>>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>>
>>> Dave Schonenberg
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread eddietheflay

Not to compare...but the Velo Orange site of course does not have the 
quality to photos that Riv does but 1000% useable and easy to navigate. Why 
when you are in a category do you have to look down at the bottom of each 
page to make the screen advance to next page. Why not simply load the whole 
category worth of items = fiddly. I too appreciate the challenge and hope 
the new look serves Riv in a way that makes for happy everyone. My first 
brief look suggests clunky. 

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:02:08 PM UTC-8 Chris L wrote:

> The product pages, with some large photos and many small photos is very 
> unfriendly and if you want to change categories, you have to scroll all the 
> way back to the top to find the three little lines (which are almost 
> invisible in those huge b images at the top) and click it again.  Maybe 
> once in the products sections, keep the navigating tree visible?  If 
> possible.  And make all of the product links the larger size.
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:56:21 PM UTC-6 Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, 
>>
>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>
>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>> to the homepage.
>>
>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>
>> Dave Schonenberg
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Chris L

The product pages, with some large photos and many small photos is very 
unfriendly and if you want to change categories, you have to scroll all the 
way back to the top to find the three little lines (which are almost 
invisible in those huge b images at the top) and click it again.  Maybe 
once in the products sections, keep the navigating tree visible?  If 
possible.  And make all of the product links the larger size.

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:56:21 PM UTC-6 Dave wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
>
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
> to the homepage.
>
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>
> Dave Schonenberg
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sorta-OT: Indoor trainers

2021-02-12 Thread Ryan M.

I've ridden quite a bit on trainers and have a direct drive Wahoo Kickr, 
before that a wheel on fluid trainer and before that a wheel on mag 
trainer. The Kickr is totally worth the extra cost, IMHO, especially if you 
plan to use a subscription plan like Zwift. The ability to use erg mode, 
which is the mode where the app controls the resistance, makes the whole 
experience more pleasant. I find it also easier to set up the direct drive 
units compared to the wheel on (plus you don't wear out your tire).

I use Trainerroad for interval stuff but have used thesufferfest and Zwift 
too. I liked Zwift more than Thesufferfest just because sometimes you just 
want to get the legs moving and not destroy your will to live, and 
sufferfest is aptly named. Although, Sufferfest has these workouts with 
this guy Mike Cotty where they are more for base training. Mike rides 
through extremely nice looking areas and talks about the route some, which 
I thought was well done. You can also check out the Col Collective on 
Youtube which is by Mike. Watching that on youtube while riding the trainer 
has been useful as a distraction. Really well shot and edited stuff...but 
I'm digressing. 

Trainerroad has a ton of different workouts and workout plans for the 
cyclist, but it will not give you anything to watch. I do like throwing on 
some movie I've seen a hundred times and using that as distraction while 
using the app. Trainerroad is great if you really want to plan your 
workouts, it has a great calendar feature, and it will get you faster on 
the bike, but it becomes more of a chore and you have to supply the mental 
distraction to riding inside. Zwift, on the other hand, can be just a fun 
game where you ride around different virtual areas and try to upgrade your 
bike. 

Your question reminds me that I need to get off the couch and start using 
that trainer more during this ridiculously cold pandemic winter. 

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:14:33 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Rivsters,
>
> I've been looking into this for weeks and am quite amazed at how little 
> progress I've made in coming to a decision. All the reviews on this stuff 
> are from 25yo 135 lbs. "roadies" who ride carbon wunderbikes outside and I 
> can't imagine their impressions are going to mean a hill of beans to me. So 
> maybe folks who ride the kind of bikes I ride can help. 
>
> The situation: My riding outside time is limited right now and looks to be 
> remaining that way for a good 6 more months, and I'm becoming hopelessly 
> out of shape and can't wait anymore..I need to ride! I thought about 
> Peloton-type bikes but I think I'd rather hook my lovely Riv Custom up to a 
> smart trainer and actually ride the bike I own. I'm leaning towards 
> direct-drive like Wahoo Kickr or Tacx Neo 2T instead of the kind that keeps 
> the rear wheel on. It's more money but my goal is a thing I'll use and like 
> more than counting pennies. I'll be using apps like Zwift for mimicking 
> road rides and maybe the Peloton app for classes with instructors. 
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with these contraptions? 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

It exists! Man I dig that color. If anyone finds a mustard Clem(entine) L 
in 52cm.. wait, I don't need another bike, don't tell me! 

Joe "I'm just going to take a look, maybe see what the asking price is..." 
Bernard

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:14:40 PM UTC-8 Gabe Thompson wrote:

> I've got a Clem L 59 in mustard. I would maybe sell it if the price is 
> right. PM me if interested[image: 
> 3C0DD250-4C3B-4F90-9707-5A561E10555C.jpeg]
>
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 6:24:14 AM UTC-8 Ray wrote:
>
>> Joe -- That's very interesting. I don't think that would have done it in 
>> my case, but it's good to know for the future.
>>
>> Collin -- Yes! It is the one you sold me. No worries, I got it sorted out 
>> and thanks again. Some might disagree with this move, but I actually had my 
>> LBS ream out just a small amount of material from the downtube so that a 
>> 27mm fit the lug/clamp as well. I did talk to someone at Riv who generously 
>> offered to do the same knurling for free even though it was secondhand. But 
>> I change my fit too often and sometimes my partner or guests borrow my 
>> bikes so I wanted it to function at more than just one height. All worked 
>> out in the end--no issues at all anymore.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 7:17:42 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> At that price, shipped overseas (again) you could start to consider a 
>>> Susie. Truly beautiful bikes in person, and can do everything a Clem can, 
>>> plus a bit more tire room.  Considering how long you will have the bike, 
>>> worth it no question. Also splits the difference top tube-wise between a 
>>> Clem L and a Clem H!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:22:30 PM UTC-5 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>>
 Whoa, nice. Quite the premium for mustard, but may go this route if 
 nothing better pops up. Thanks!

 On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:07:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

>
> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frame-set-h-style-mustard.html
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>
> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
> mustard.
>
>
> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Brett,
>>
>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a 
>> mustard H and orange L in that batch. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand 
>>> runner.
>>>
>>> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
>>> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make 
>>> this 
>>> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>

 Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file 
 this. ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my 
 list. 
 L
 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON 
 wrote:

> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me 
> stealing 
> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.

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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

Sure, I'm not throwing shade, I love Riv, just my initial reaction.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:31:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The home page has a rotating set of pics of people working on or riding 
> Rivbikes in normal clothes. The mission statement of the company is below 
> this. I think it is sufficiently explanatory and inclusive. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> ... not to say that Riv needs to stuck in tweed. Brands evolve.
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:02:33 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> I totally get this is in process. My initial thoughts seem to be that 
>>> the "brand" is a bit missing from the site, or maybe it's a bit scattered 
>>> and broken up. The converted get it and know it and will put up with 
>>> anything because they love it. But those outside have to dig, thus it's not 
>>> doing a great job selling the Riv lifestyle. Thinking back to the mid-00's 
>>> the site had tweed all over the place, yeah heavy-handed, but it did a 
>>> great job communicating a visual language that translated into a lifestyle 
>>> and in the process helped reinvent cycling and the culture of cycling. 
>>> Right now, I have to dig to see or hear that story, I have to dig to be 
>>> sold that story. When I arrive at the home page I get is a full-frame image 
>>> of a middle-aged white dude fixing a flat. Cool shot for sure, but not very 
>>> inclusive. You don't want new customers to have to dig.
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!


 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
> bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
> whatever the default page is?
> Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product 
> Catalog, Bicycles & Frames...  
>
> Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the 
>> redesign. Striding in the right direction :) 
>>
>> A few thoughts follow. 
>>
>> *Homepage photographs*
>> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs 
>> here. And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that 
>> sells incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see 
>> the 
>> frames. 
>>
>> *Product pages*
>> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better 
>> resolution. A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the 
>> old site. The mouse-over function on the old version never worked for 
>> me. I 
>> find that the huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and 
>> difficult to read. Would it be possible to have a gallery of product 
>> pictures towards the top with the text below, with the text running the 
>> full width of the page?
>>
>> *Category pages*
>> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were 
>> displayed in a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, 
>> allows the eye to follow a straight line. 
>>
>> *Restock email alerts*
>> Gotta have these alerts
>>
>> *Newly updated/added*
>> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
>> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate 
>> it. 
>> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But 
>> their 
>> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
>> articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
>> updates! 
>>
>> *Staff bikes*
>> I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! 
>> Looking forward to the return. 
>>
>> *Article page*
>> This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for 
>> categories with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into 
>> each sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 
>>
>> *Sizing and geo page*
>> The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my 
>> browser or right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart 
>> displays at a size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without 
>> user-end manipulation. 
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my 
>>> Apple email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder 
>>> either
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I'll spend some

Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

The home page has a rotating set of pics of people working on or riding 
Rivbikes in normal clothes. The mission statement of the company is below 
this. I think it is sufficiently explanatory and inclusive. 



On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> ... not to say that Riv needs to stuck in tweed. Brands evolve.
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:02:33 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> I totally get this is in process. My initial thoughts seem to be that the 
>> "brand" is a bit missing from the site, or maybe it's a bit scattered and 
>> broken up. The converted get it and know it and will put up with anything 
>> because they love it. But those outside have to dig, thus it's not doing a 
>> great job selling the Riv lifestyle. Thinking back to the mid-00's the site 
>> had tweed all over the place, yeah heavy-handed, but it did a great job 
>> communicating a visual language that translated into a lifestyle and in the 
>> process helped reinvent cycling and the culture of cycling. Right now, I 
>> have to dig to see or hear that story, I have to dig to be sold that story. 
>> When I arrive at the home page I get is a full-frame image of a middle-aged 
>> white dude fixing a flat. Cool shot for sure, but not very inclusive. You 
>> don't want new customers to have to dig.
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
 bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
 whatever the default page is?
 Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product 
 Catalog, Bicycles & Frames...  

 Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.

 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the 
> redesign. Striding in the right direction :) 
>
> A few thoughts follow. 
>
> *Homepage photographs*
> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs 
> here. And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that 
> sells incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see 
> the 
> frames. 
>
> *Product pages*
> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better 
> resolution. A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the 
> old site. The mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. 
> I 
> find that the huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and 
> difficult to read. Would it be possible to have a gallery of product 
> pictures towards the top with the text below, with the text running the 
> full width of the page?
>
> *Category pages*
> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed 
> in a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the 
> eye 
> to follow a straight line. 
>
> *Restock email alerts*
> Gotta have these alerts
>
> *Newly updated/added*
> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate 
> it. 
> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But 
> their 
> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
> articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
> updates! 
>
> *Staff bikes*
> I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! 
> Looking forward to the return. 
>
> *Article page*
> This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for 
> categories with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into 
> each sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 
>
> *Sizing and geo page*
> The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my 
> browser or right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart 
> displays at a size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without 
> user-end manipulation. 
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my 
>> Apple email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder 
>> either
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one 
>>> thing I noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and 
>>> isn't really legible - though right-click and open in a new window 
>>> solves 
>>> that issue

Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

... not to say that Riv needs to stuck in tweed. Brands evolve.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:02:33 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I totally get this is in process. My initial thoughts seem to be that the 
> "brand" is a bit missing from the site, or maybe it's a bit scattered and 
> broken up. The converted get it and know it and will put up with anything 
> because they love it. But those outside have to dig, thus it's not doing a 
> great job selling the Riv lifestyle. Thinking back to the mid-00's the site 
> had tweed all over the place, yeah heavy-handed, but it did a great job 
> communicating a visual language that translated into a lifestyle and in the 
> process helped reinvent cycling and the culture of cycling. Right now, I 
> have to dig to see or hear that story, I have to dig to be sold that story. 
> When I arrive at the home page I get is a full-frame image of a middle-aged 
> white dude fixing a flat. Cool shot for sure, but not very inclusive. You 
> don't want new customers to have to dig.
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
>>> bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
>>> whatever the default page is?
>>> Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product 
>>> Catalog, Bicycles & Frames...  
>>>
>>> Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the 
 redesign. Striding in the right direction :) 

 A few thoughts follow. 

 *Homepage photographs*
 I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs here. 
 And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that sells 
 incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see the 
 frames. 

 *Product pages*
 I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better 
 resolution. A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the 
 old site. The mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. 
 I 
 find that the huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and 
 difficult to read. Would it be possible to have a gallery of product 
 pictures towards the top with the text below, with the text running the 
 full width of the page?

 *Category pages*
 I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed 
 in a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the eye 
 to follow a straight line. 

 *Restock email alerts*
 Gotta have these alerts

 *Newly updated/added*
 Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
 restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate 
 it. 
 I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But 
 their 
 site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
 articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
 updates! 

 *Staff bikes*
 I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! 
 Looking forward to the return. 

 *Article page*
 This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for 
 categories with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into 
 each sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 

 *Sizing and geo page*
 The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my browser 
 or right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart displays 
 at 
 a size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without user-end 
 manipulation. 
 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my 
> Apple email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder either
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one 
>> thing I noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and 
>> isn't really legible - though right-click and open in a new window 
>> solves 
>> that issue :) 
>>
>> The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

I totally get this is in process. My initial thoughts seem to be that the 
"brand" is a bit missing from the site, or maybe it's a bit scattered and 
broken up. The converted get it and know it and will put up with anything 
because they love it. But those outside have to dig, thus it's not doing a 
great job selling the Riv lifestyle. Thinking back to the mid-00's the site 
had tweed all over the place, yeah heavy-handed, but it did a great job 
communicating a visual language that translated into a lifestyle and in the 
process helped reinvent cycling and the culture of cycling. Right now, I 
have to dig to see or hear that story, I have to dig to be sold that story. 
When I arrive at the home page I get is a full-frame image of a middle-aged 
white dude fixing a flat. Cool shot for sure, but not very inclusive. You 
don't want new customers to have to dig.
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
>> bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
>> whatever the default page is?
>> Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product Catalog, 
>> Bicycles & Frames...  
>>
>> Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the redesign. 
>>> Striding in the right direction :) 
>>>
>>> A few thoughts follow. 
>>>
>>> *Homepage photographs*
>>> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs here. 
>>> And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that sells 
>>> incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see the 
>>> frames. 
>>>
>>> *Product pages*
>>> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better 
>>> resolution. A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the 
>>> old site. The mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. I 
>>> find that the huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and 
>>> difficult to read. Would it be possible to have a gallery of product 
>>> pictures towards the top with the text below, with the text running the 
>>> full width of the page?
>>>
>>> *Category pages*
>>> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed 
>>> in a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the eye 
>>> to follow a straight line. 
>>>
>>> *Restock email alerts*
>>> Gotta have these alerts
>>>
>>> *Newly updated/added*
>>> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
>>> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate it. 
>>> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But their 
>>> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
>>> articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
>>> updates! 
>>>
>>> *Staff bikes*
>>> I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! 
>>> Looking forward to the return. 
>>>
>>> *Article page*
>>> This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for 
>>> categories with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into 
>>> each sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 
>>>
>>> *Sizing and geo page*
>>> The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my browser 
>>> or right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart displays at 
>>> a size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without user-end 
>>> manipulation. 
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my 
 Apple email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder either

 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one 
> thing I noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and 
> isn't really legible - though right-click and open in a new window solves 
> that issue :) 
>
> The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 



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[RBW] Sorta-OT: Indoor trainers

Hi Rivsters,

I've been looking into this for weeks and am quite amazed at how little
progress I've made in coming to a decision. All the reviews on this stuff
are from 25yo 135 lbs. "roadies" who ride carbon wunderbikes outside and I
can't imagine their impressions are going to mean a hill of beans to me. So
maybe folks who ride the kind of bikes I ride can help.

The situation: My riding outside time is limited right now and looks to be
remaining that way for a good 6 more months, and I'm becoming hopelessly
out of shape and can't wait anymore..I need to ride! I thought about
Peloton-type bikes but I think I'd rather hook my lovely Riv Custom up to a
smart trainer and actually ride the bike I own. I'm leaning towards
direct-drive like Wahoo Kickr or Tacx Neo 2T instead of the kind that keeps
the rear wheel on. It's more money but my goal is a thing I'll use and like
more than counting pennies. I'll be using apps like Zwift for mimicking
road rides and maybe the Peloton app for classes with instructors.

Does anyone here have any experience with these contraptions?

Thanks,
Joe Bernard

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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread aeroperf

Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!


On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
> bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
> whatever the default page is?
> Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product Catalog, 
> Bicycles & Frames...  
>
> Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the redesign. 
>> Striding in the right direction :) 
>>
>> A few thoughts follow. 
>>
>> *Homepage photographs*
>> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs here. 
>> And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that sells 
>> incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see the 
>> frames. 
>>
>> *Product pages*
>> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better resolution. 
>> A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the old site. The 
>> mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. I find that the 
>> huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and difficult to read. 
>> Would it be possible to have a gallery of product pictures towards the top 
>> with the text below, with the text running the full width of the page?
>>
>> *Category pages*
>> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed in 
>> a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the eye to 
>> follow a straight line. 
>>
>> *Restock email alerts*
>> Gotta have these alerts
>>
>> *Newly updated/added*
>> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
>> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate it. 
>> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But their 
>> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
>> articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
>> updates! 
>>
>> *Staff bikes*
>> I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! 
>> Looking forward to the return. 
>>
>> *Article page*
>> This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for 
>> categories with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into 
>> each sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 
>>
>> *Sizing and geo page*
>> The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my browser 
>> or right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart displays at 
>> a size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without user-end 
>> manipulation. 
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my 
>>> Apple email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder either
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one thing 
 I noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and isn't 
 really legible - though right-click and open in a new window solves that 
 issue :) 

 The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread aeroperf

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
whatever the default page is?
Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product Catalog, 
Bicycles & Frames...  

Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the redesign. 
> Striding in the right direction :) 
>
> A few thoughts follow. 
>
> *Homepage photographs*
> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs here. 
> And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that sells 
> incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see the 
> frames. 
>
> *Product pages*
> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better resolution. 
> A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the old site. The 
> mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. I find that the 
> huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and difficult to read. 
> Would it be possible to have a gallery of product pictures towards the top 
> with the text below, with the text running the full width of the page?
>
> *Category pages*
> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed in 
> a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the eye to 
> follow a straight line. 
>
> *Restock email alerts*
> Gotta have these alerts
>
> *Newly updated/added*
> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate it. 
> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But their 
> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
> articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
> updates! 
>
> *Staff bikes*
> I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! Looking 
> forward to the return. 
>
> *Article page*
> This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for categories 
> with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into each 
> sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 
>
> *Sizing and geo page*
> The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my browser or 
> right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart displays at a 
> size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without user-end 
> manipulation. 
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my Apple 
>> email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder either
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one thing 
>>> I noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and isn't 
>>> really legible - though right-click and open in a new window solves that 
>>> issue :) 
>>>
>>> The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Hahaha, love this.

Riv> Creedence Clearwater Revival
Surly> Captain Beefheart
Bruce Gordon> Steely Dan
Crust> Naplam Death

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite 
> pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click 
> bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the 
> actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
> apparently gets asked a lot. 

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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Eric Marth

Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the redesign. 
Striding in the right direction :) 

A few thoughts follow. 

*Homepage photographs*
I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs here. And 
I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that sells 
incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see the 
frames. 

*Product pages*
I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better resolution. A 
lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the old site. The 
mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. I find that the 
huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and difficult to read. 
Would it be possible to have a gallery of product pictures towards the top 
with the text below, with the text running the full width of the page?

*Category pages*
I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed in a 
grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the eye to 
follow a straight line. 

*Restock email alerts*
Gotta have these alerts

*Newly updated/added*
Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate it. 
I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But their 
site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
updates! 

*Staff bikes*
I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! Looking 
forward to the return. 

*Article page*
This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for categories 
with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into each 
sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 

*Sizing and geo page*
The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my browser or 
right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart displays at a 
size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without user-end 
manipulation. 
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my Apple 
> email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder either
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one thing I 
>> noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and isn't really 
>> legible - though right-click and open in a new window solves that issue :) 
>>
>> The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

2021-02-12 Thread Jason Fuller

Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite 
pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click 
bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the 
actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
apparently gets asked a lot. 

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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Dorothy C

On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my Apple 
email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder either

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one thing I 
> noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and isn't really 
> legible - though right-click and open in a new window solves that issue :) 
>
> The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

2021-02-12 Thread Den John

Well one of the interesting questions that follows from the Riv/Crust
approach is whether anyone else is doing the same thing. If not, why?

The only example I know of for certain is Stooge Cycles in the UK, which
has an approach based on limited runs of production
bikes made in a major Taiwanese factory. Each run of bikes has its own
identity, but within a general concept of progressive
geometry, non-suspension steel bikes with a nod to early MTB history. It
seems to be working well: each run sells out pretty quickly.
Stooge also gets its identity from the fact it's basically run by one
person, who puts a lot of his personal interests into it.
Oh, and the band/music link is already done for you with Stooge :-)

Black Mountain Cycles is another example I suppose.

I didn't intend to imply that any of this stuff is contrived. I think with
these smaller brands, the identity emerges as they go on and try different
ideas. So it's interesting to follow them.

If anyone can think of a bike brand that would match with Jello Biafra, I'd
be interested to hear about it.





On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 at 18:28, Mark Roland  wrote:

> I don't think anyone is disputing the notion that Rivendell and Crust are
> niche brands that have created a feeling, or lifestyle or culture around
> their brand. Those words sound not quite right and maybe a bit too
> premeditated. In the case of these two companies, the marketing angle is
> really an outgrowth of who they are and what they believe in and share with
> their customers. Anyway not breaking news. I'm going Mark Knopfler/Grant
> Petersen. True, Knopfler races cars. But he also started the Notting
> Hillbillies, which is kinda like Hillibikes, going back to roots. And he's
> good, and went against the heavy rock/punk scene in the late 70s, forging
> his own way.
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:30:51 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I absolutely agree with Ben's point about how both Rivendell and Crust
>> have tried to build up a subculture around their brands that is about more
>> than just the bikes.
>> At the same time, doing this helps people get an idea of what you can do
>> with the bikes they make, e.g. the way the Scapegoat is a model designed by
>> someone who does
>> a very specific sort of riding.
>>
>> Couple more guitarist-frame builder connections:
>>
>> Tom Ritchey > Tony Iommi: Played pivotal role in creation of entire
>> genre. Had to compete with a flamboyant frontman to get credit (Ozzy/Gary
>> Fisher)
>> JP Weigle > Robert Fripp: Perfectionist with distinctive style. Not well
>> known outside the circle of cognoscenti
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 19:43, Ben Miller  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, okay, I have to admit Johnny's comparisons of "Riv is to the Dead
>>> as Crust is to Bowie" got a laugh out of me. That and some of the other
>>> comments got me thinking a bit, Riv and Crust are more than just the bikes.
>>> Sure other bike companies were influenced by Grant: Surly, Velo Orange,
>>> Rawland, etc, but I'd make a case that they lack the personality that Riv
>>> and Crust have.
>>>
>>> Crust literally started because Matt made the bikes that he and his
>>> friends wanted to ride: Evasion/Matt, Scapegoat/The Goat, Cheeco/Angelica,
>>> and Romanceur/Ronnie. That's pretty bold and subversive in a Riv way. And
>>> these are bikes that definitely didn't exist in any other form at the time.
>>> In many ways, the Bombora which Russ used in the comparisons is the most
>>> "normal" bike in the Crust lineup (Dan from Bike Insights made a flowchart
>>> and to get to the Bombora the answer is "Man, I just want a bike. I'm not a
>>> weirdo")
>>>
>>> But even more than that, the team a Crust is then filled out with these
>>> personalities. Much like Riv highlighting their team through "Staff Bikes"
>>> and their Instagram account, Crust does that too with their Elevator to
>>> Hell videos. And both companies use their platform to raise awareness to
>>> causes they care about. Crust's sponsoring of the Slim One because they can
>>> and think it is the right thing to do is along the same lines as Riv's BRF
>>> experiment, though perhaps less controversial. And Grant being open about
>>> cash flow problems isn't that different from Crust taking a break over
>>> holidays and being open about feeling overwhelmed at the time.
>>>
>>> All this adds up to two companies that are almost as much about the
>>> people as the bikes. I find myself routing for Grant and Matt, hoping their
>>> projects work out even if I don't want that particular one for myself. I
>>> definitely can't say that about Surly or New Albion. In a way, both
>>> companies are a bit like custom builders because of that, you feel a
>>> personal connection. I think that is what the makes the Rivendell vs Crust
>>> comparison so unique.
>>>
>>> As far as guitarists: James Iha, Dave Navarro, John Frusciante. Yes, I
>>> am Gen X.
>>>
>>> (Disclaimer: I will tip my hat to Velo Orange, especially when Chris at
>>>

Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Jason Fuller

I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one thing I 
noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and isn't really 
legible - though right-click and open in a new window solves that issue :) 

The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Giro Trousers, Randi Jo Hats

2021-02-12 Thread Michael Ullmer

All sold

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Hats are sold
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:09:16 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Cross post from i-Bob:
>>
>> Final purge through the clothing for now:
>>
>> 1) Giro Mobility Trousers Blue Size 32 - $40 shipped 
>> --I had the bottom portion of the legs of these pants narrowed by a 
>> professional tailor, so they're more of a slim fit through the whole leg. 
>> These have a lot of great features, reflective accents on the inside, 
>> gusseted crotch, zippered side pocket. They're in great shape, but now that 
>> I'm no longer going into the office, I don't need these (I have two).
>>
>> 2) Randi Jo Fab Hats - Linen and Cotton (both size large) - $30 shipped 
>> --I have far too many of Randi Jo's hats and these two get the least use. 
>> The black linen one has only been worn a handful of times and the blue 
>> cotton one slightly more. The blue cotton hat has the faintest sweat mark 
>> on the front (doesn't show up in the picture), though you can't tell under 
>> a bike helmet. $30 shipped for the pair.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/uf2apSSZRJf6yyF87
>>
>> Mike in Seattle
>>
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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Julian Westerhout

The navigation is a bit tricky --  the three bar menu shortcut is sort of 
semi-standard on phone apps, but not so much on websites. It took me a bit 
before I figured it out. I asked my wife to look at the page and to find 
the navigation menu -- she scrolled and looked for a bit, then said "there 
isn't one."  Had she scrolled all the way down she might have seen the 
links, or perhaps if the three bars stayed pegged to the top of the page 
she might have noticed them, but as it is she did not -- it takes some 
savvy and of persistence -- not sure that's the goal.  It's more minimal on 
the landing page, but less obvious and less user friendly IMHO. It is, on 
the other hand, appears to be trying to be trendy and "hip" -- which, 
ironically, seems antithetical to the position of Riv as a company.  YMMV 
-- I'm just a grumpy middle-aged guy in the frozen tundra of the midwest, 
so...

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL  
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:44:39 AM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> As a film shooter, I appreciate the obvious use of analog photographs on 
> the home page. Nice!
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Feb 12, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Paul Richardson  wrote:
>
> i for one made frequent use of the 'email me when this item is back in 
> stock' option and would very much appreciate if that returned.
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:50:44 AM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> I like being able to see my whole purchase history in my account, via the 
>> page number scroller. I think the old site used to cut off at about 1 
>> year’s worth of transactions
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 8:16:22 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> I like the new look. Great to see Leah's excellently appointed Platypus 
>>> build up on the new news section. It would be nice if you could click on an 
>>> image to expand it. I like being able to check out all the little details 
>>> on people's bikes.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:00:43 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>

 Looking good.  Regarding the sub categories, which indeed can be 
 helpful, if you open the "3-bar" menu, you get the drop down major 
 categories--Parts, Gear, Garage Sale, etc. By clicking the "+" sign next 
 to 
 a main category, you get subcategories--eg, under Parts, you get Bottom 
 Brackets, Brakes, Cassettes, Etc. If you click on brakes, you get the 
 whole 
 shebang, blended together--calipers, levers, pads, cables--all 
 intermingled 
 with willy and nilly.  BUT, if you click directly on the word "Parts" 
 instead of the "+", you get taken to the Catalog, which breaks down brakes 
 into: Brake types, brake hardware, etc. (The catalog also appears to the 
 right of the drop down main, but is cut off, at least on my laptop.) Would 
 there be a way for that click on Parts to bring you to exclusively that 
 "catalog style" menu JUST for parts? 

 Two sections that could use a further "+" or submenu IMO would be 
 brakes and handlebars. 

 It's not an easy task to develop a logical taxonomy for web site 
 navigation. Multiple pathways and redundancies are good, but can sometimes 
 be confusing when different pathways use different nomenclature, or when 
 it's not clear where exactly you are.  The ultimate is to have a visitor 
 who finds what they are seeking in two or three easy no-brainer clicks.

 I imagine some further refinement and tweaking could be a benefit. 
 Meanwhile, totally useable as is.
 On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-5 Dave wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
>
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have 
> one site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just 
> head to the homepage.
>
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>
> Dave Schonenberg
>
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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

As a film shooter, I appreciate the obvious use of analog photographs on the 
home page. Nice!

--Eric Norris
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> On Feb 12, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Paul Richardson  wrote:
> 
> i for one made frequent use of the 'email me when this item is back in stock' 
> option and would very much appreciate if that returned.
> 
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> 
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:50:44 AM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
> I like being able to see my whole purchase history in my account, via the 
> page number scroller. I think the old site used to cut off at about 1 year’s 
> worth of transactions
> 
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 8:16:22 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
> I like the new look. Great to see Leah's excellently appointed Platypus build 
> up on the new news section. It would be nice if you could click on an image 
> to expand it. I like being able to check out all the little details on 
> people's bikes.
> 
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:00:43 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
> 
> 
> Looking good.  Regarding the sub categories, which indeed can be helpful, if 
> you open the "3-bar" menu, you get the drop down major categories--Parts, 
> Gear, Garage Sale, etc. By clicking the "+" sign next to a main category, you 
> get subcategories--eg, under Parts, you get Bottom Brackets, Brakes, 
> Cassettes, Etc. If you click on brakes, you get the whole shebang, blended 
> together--calipers, levers, pads, cables--all intermingled with willy and 
> nilly.  BUT, if you click directly on the word "Parts" instead of the "+", 
> you get taken to the Catalog, which breaks down brakes into: Brake types, 
> brake hardware, etc. (The catalog also appears to the right of the drop down 
> main, but is cut off, at least on my laptop.) Would there be a way for that 
> click on Parts to bring you to exclusively that "catalog style" menu JUST for 
> parts? 
> 
> Two sections that could use a further "+" or submenu IMO would be brakes and 
> handlebars. 
> 
> It's not an easy task to develop a logical taxonomy for web site navigation. 
> Multiple pathways and redundancies are good, but can sometimes be confusing 
> when different pathways use different nomenclature, or when it's not clear 
> where exactly you are.  The ultimate is to have a visitor who finds what they 
> are seeking in two or three easy no-brainer clicks.
> 
> I imagine some further refinement and tweaking could be a benefit. Meanwhile, 
> totally useable as is.
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-5 Dave wrote:
> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>  webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up 
> the homepage, improved the search, and updated a number of things for a 
> smoother experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
> 
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on Tumblr 
> ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com  to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news .   
> With that move, you now have one site for all the latest product updates, 
> news and Grant's blog. Just head to the homepage.
> 
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
> 
> Dave Schonenberg
> 
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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Paul Richardson

i for one made frequent use of the 'email me when this item is back in 
stock' option and would very much appreciate if that returned.

paul
takoma park, md.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:50:44 AM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> I like being able to see my whole purchase history in my account, via the 
> page number scroller. I think the old site used to cut off at about 1 
> year’s worth of transactions
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 8:16:22 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> I like the new look. Great to see Leah's excellently appointed Platypus 
>> build up on the new news section. It would be nice if you could click on an 
>> image to expand it. I like being able to check out all the little details 
>> on people's bikes.
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:00:43 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking good.  Regarding the sub categories, which indeed can be 
>>> helpful, if you open the "3-bar" menu, you get the drop down major 
>>> categories--Parts, Gear, Garage Sale, etc. By clicking the "+" sign next to 
>>> a main category, you get subcategories--eg, under Parts, you get Bottom 
>>> Brackets, Brakes, Cassettes, Etc. If you click on brakes, you get the whole 
>>> shebang, blended together--calipers, levers, pads, cables--all intermingled 
>>> with willy and nilly.  BUT, if you click directly on the word "Parts" 
>>> instead of the "+", you get taken to the Catalog, which breaks down brakes 
>>> into: Brake types, brake hardware, etc. (The catalog also appears to the 
>>> right of the drop down main, but is cut off, at least on my laptop.) Would 
>>> there be a way for that click on Parts to bring you to exclusively that 
>>> "catalog style" menu JUST for parts? 
>>>
>>> Two sections that could use a further "+" or submenu IMO would be brakes 
>>> and handlebars. 
>>>
>>> It's not an easy task to develop a logical taxonomy for web site 
>>> navigation. Multiple pathways and redundancies are good, but can sometimes 
>>> be confusing when different pathways use different nomenclature, or when 
>>> it's not clear where exactly you are.  The ultimate is to have a visitor 
>>> who finds what they are seeking in two or three easy no-brainer clicks.
>>>
>>> I imagine some further refinement and tweaking could be a benefit. 
>>> Meanwhile, totally useable as is.
>>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-5 Dave wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone, 

 Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
 webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
 improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
 experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!

 The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
 Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
 https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
 site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
 to the homepage.

 Enjoy and let us know what you think. 

 Dave Schonenberg



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I don't think anyone is disputing the notion that Rivendell and Crust are 
niche brands that have created a feeling, or lifestyle or culture around 
their brand. Those words sound not quite right and maybe a bit too 
premeditated. In the case of these two companies, the marketing angle is 
really an outgrowth of who they are and what they believe in and share with 
their customers. Anyway not breaking news. I'm going Mark Knopfler/Grant 
Petersen. True, Knopfler races cars. But he also started the Notting 
Hillbillies, which is kinda like Hillibikes, going back to roots. And he's 
good, and went against the heavy rock/punk scene in the late 70s, forging 
his own way.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:30:51 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> I absolutely agree with Ben's point about how both Rivendell and Crust 
> have tried to build up a subculture around their brands that is about more 
> than just the bikes. 
> At the same time, doing this helps people get an idea of what you can do 
> with the bikes they make, e.g. the way the Scapegoat is a model designed by 
> someone who does
> a very specific sort of riding.
>
> Couple more guitarist-frame builder connections:
>
> Tom Ritchey > Tony Iommi: Played pivotal role in creation of entire genre. 
> Had to compete with a flamboyant frontman to get credit (Ozzy/Gary Fisher)
> JP Weigle > Robert Fripp: Perfectionist with distinctive style. Not well 
> known outside the circle of cognoscenti
>
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 19:43, Ben Miller  wrote:
>
>> Okay, okay, I have to admit Johnny's comparisons of "Riv is to the Dead 
>> as Crust is to Bowie" got a laugh out of me. That and some of the other 
>> comments got me thinking a bit, Riv and Crust are more than just the bikes. 
>> Sure other bike companies were influenced by Grant: Surly, Velo Orange, 
>> Rawland, etc, but I'd make a case that they lack the personality that Riv 
>> and Crust have. 
>>
>> Crust literally started because Matt made the bikes that he and his 
>> friends wanted to ride: Evasion/Matt, Scapegoat/The Goat, Cheeco/Angelica, 
>> and Romanceur/Ronnie. That's pretty bold and subversive in a Riv way. And 
>> these are bikes that definitely didn't exist in any other form at the time. 
>> In many ways, the Bombora which Russ used in the comparisons is the most 
>> "normal" bike in the Crust lineup (Dan from Bike Insights made a flowchart 
>> and to get to the Bombora the answer is "Man, I just want a bike. I'm not a 
>> weirdo")
>>
>> But even more than that, the team a Crust is then filled out with these 
>> personalities. Much like Riv highlighting their team through "Staff Bikes" 
>> and their Instagram account, Crust does that too with their Elevator to 
>> Hell videos. And both companies use their platform to raise awareness to 
>> causes they care about. Crust's sponsoring of the Slim One because they can 
>> and think it is the right thing to do is along the same lines as Riv's BRF 
>> experiment, though perhaps less controversial. And Grant being open about 
>> cash flow problems isn't that different from Crust taking a break over 
>> holidays and being open about feeling overwhelmed at the time. 
>>
>> All this adds up to two companies that are almost as much about the 
>> people as the bikes. I find myself routing for Grant and Matt, hoping their 
>> projects work out even if I don't want that particular one for myself. I 
>> definitely can't say that about Surly or New Albion. In a way, both 
>> companies are a bit like custom builders because of that, you feel a 
>> personal connection. I think that is what the makes the Rivendell vs Crust 
>> comparison so unique. 
>>
>> As far as guitarists: James Iha, Dave Navarro, John Frusciante. Yes, I am 
>> Gen X.
>>
>> (Disclaimer: I will tip my hat to Velo Orange, especially when Chris at 
>> the helm, feels like a company that had a real personal touch and a sense 
>> of humor) 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:44:58 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Just to clarify, I'm certainly not getting bent because I'm not a fan of 
>>> the video editing (or the content, for that matter.) And whether or not he 
>>> is making money, or is trying to make money, or is performing a public 
>>> service because he enjoys the luxury of enough free time to do so, is not 
>>> really relevant. He is obviously sincere in what he does and seems to have 
>>> a decent following. And good for him. After watching the video above, I 
>>> would not be able to use it to make a decision as to which bike might be 
>>> better for me. On the one hand, he refers to the Bombora as spicey and 
>>> sporty. On the other, he says the Riv's steering is quicker, but keeps 
>>> calling it relaxed and chill. Hard to tell, but it looks like maybe the 
>>> Bombora has more drop from saddle to bars. Who knows. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 12:15:36 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love bike comparison videos of every kind. I want to see Rivs vs

[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Dorothy C

I like being able to see my whole purchase history in my account, via the 
page number scroller. I think the old site used to cut off at about 1 
year’s worth of transactions

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 8:16:22 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> I like the new look. Great to see Leah's excellently appointed Platypus 
> build up on the new news section. It would be nice if you could click on an 
> image to expand it. I like being able to check out all the little details 
> on people's bikes.
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:00:43 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Looking good.  Regarding the sub categories, which indeed can be helpful, 
>> if you open the "3-bar" menu, you get the drop down major 
>> categories--Parts, Gear, Garage Sale, etc. By clicking the "+" sign next to 
>> a main category, you get subcategories--eg, under Parts, you get Bottom 
>> Brackets, Brakes, Cassettes, Etc. If you click on brakes, you get the whole 
>> shebang, blended together--calipers, levers, pads, cables--all intermingled 
>> with willy and nilly.  BUT, if you click directly on the word "Parts" 
>> instead of the "+", you get taken to the Catalog, which breaks down brakes 
>> into: Brake types, brake hardware, etc. (The catalog also appears to the 
>> right of the drop down main, but is cut off, at least on my laptop.) Would 
>> there be a way for that click on Parts to bring you to exclusively that 
>> "catalog style" menu JUST for parts? 
>>
>> Two sections that could use a further "+" or submenu IMO would be brakes 
>> and handlebars. 
>>
>> It's not an easy task to develop a logical taxonomy for web site 
>> navigation. Multiple pathways and redundancies are good, but can sometimes 
>> be confusing when different pathways use different nomenclature, or when 
>> it's not clear where exactly you are.  The ultimate is to have a visitor 
>> who finds what they are seeking in two or three easy no-brainer clicks.
>>
>> I imagine some further refinement and tweaking could be a benefit. 
>> Meanwhile, totally useable as is.
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-5 Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, 
>>>
>>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>>
>>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>>> to the homepage.
>>>
>>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>>
>>> Dave Schonenberg
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

2021-02-12 Thread Tim Baldwin

I like the new look. Great to see Leah's excellently appointed Platypus 
build up on the new news section. It would be nice if you could click on an 
image to expand it. I like being able to check out all the little details 
on people's bikes.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:00:43 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:

>
>
> Looking good.  Regarding the sub categories, which indeed can be helpful, 
> if you open the "3-bar" menu, you get the drop down major 
> categories--Parts, Gear, Garage Sale, etc. By clicking the "+" sign next to 
> a main category, you get subcategories--eg, under Parts, you get Bottom 
> Brackets, Brakes, Cassettes, Etc. If you click on brakes, you get the whole 
> shebang, blended together--calipers, levers, pads, cables--all intermingled 
> with willy and nilly.  BUT, if you click directly on the word "Parts" 
> instead of the "+", you get taken to the Catalog, which breaks down brakes 
> into: Brake types, brake hardware, etc. (The catalog also appears to the 
> right of the drop down main, but is cut off, at least on my laptop.) Would 
> there be a way for that click on Parts to bring you to exclusively that 
> "catalog style" menu JUST for parts? 
>
> Two sections that could use a further "+" or submenu IMO would be brakes 
> and handlebars. 
>
> It's not an easy task to develop a logical taxonomy for web site 
> navigation. Multiple pathways and redundancies are good, but can sometimes 
> be confusing when different pathways use different nomenclature, or when 
> it's not clear where exactly you are.  The ultimate is to have a visitor 
> who finds what they are seeking in two or three easy no-brainer clicks.
>
> I imagine some further refinement and tweaking could be a benefit. 
> Meanwhile, totally useable as is.
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-5 Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, 
>>
>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>
>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>> to the homepage.
>>
>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>
>> Dave Schonenberg
>>
>>

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