Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

[brizbarn]

Anyone trying to do a parts bin friction 1x system, you could try using an 
old left hand front shifter as the rear shifter. Mine was a front bar end 
 friction shifter, now on a Paul Thumbie. I run it on the right underside 
of grip and it shifts my 1x10 micro shift derailer through a 11-50 tooth 
cassette great. I use 10 speed chain. Probably could have used an old deore 
9sp rear derailer and gotten away with not buying a new one. 

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> Just adding more similar data here...
>
> My Silver1 shifter set up on the Riv bar-end pod shifts a Sram Rival 
> through 11 speeds (11 to 42) with a 33t chainring. It does so very nicely.
>
> Before mounting this shifter (last week), I tried out a Suntour barcon, 
> which could not get up to the last, largest cog. 
>
> Patch in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 2:53:19 PM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>
>> When my Silver1 shifter broke and I replaced it with a Suntour Barcon. I 
>> was surprised by how easier it was to shift to the last cog on a 10 speed 
>> cassette compared to the Silver1 shifter. My initial set-up with the 
>> Silver1 shifter was with a Deore XT 10-speed derailleur. The last cog was 
>> almost impossible to shift and sometimes didn't. I replaced the Deore Xt 
>> with a Claris 9-speed derailleur and that fixed the problem. However, I had 
>> to swing the Silver1 shifter all the way up to get to the last cog. It is 
>> now easier with Suntour Barcon. I sometimes wonder why a bicycle company 
>> hasn't come out with a modern version of the Suntour Barcon
>>
>> Daniel M 
>> Tallahassee, FL 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 3:24:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> RBW said it won't work; quoting BS quoting Riv: 
>>>
>>> *These are compatible with up to 9 speed rear derailers only. Not 
>>> compatible with SRAM rear derailers.*
>>>
>>> But this recently appeared on the web page:
>>>
>>> HOLY COW, FOLKS: These will shift up to 11 speeds when used with a 9/8 
>>> speed rear derailer. The latest 10/11/+ rear derailers require more cable 
>>> to be pulled making them no good but a 9 speed rear derailer will still 
>>> shift through an 11-speed cassette easily. Match your chain to your 
>>> cassette, and the 9sp rear derailer works!
>>>
>>> In fact, BSNYC is using them to shift 12.
>>>
>>> The main complication is indeed lever travel; and this is why I find 
>>> Suntour Barcons with more "pull per inch" better for 10 cogs than Silver1s, 
>>> even though this means that shifting takes, theoretically, a bit more care. 
>>> In practice, the Barcons work fine with 10.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
 I guess my reaction to this would be "why would it not work".  It's a 
 friction shift lever.

 So long as the limit screws on the rear derailleur are set correctly, 
 and the lever has sufficient travel to sweep the entire distance between 
 the high stop and the low stop when connected to the cable, there's no 
 reason it wouldn't work.

 I suppose you could also talk about cable pull ratios and maybe there's 
 a situation under which a friction shift lever didn't have enough travel 
 because of multiplication or division of travel, but it still goes back to 
 the same question, is there enough travel when the thing is connected to a 
 cable, so more or less a yes or no question.

 Jim
 Austin suburbs, TX

 On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:41 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189
>
> I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but 
> this is heartening news. 
>
> I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd 
> have to swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a 
> big-enough granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should 
> proceed 
> gently, and simply go to 11 first.
>


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Re: [RBW] WTB: Billie Bars

[brizbarn]

Thanks for the insight y’all. And great looking bike Joe!  Hope someone has 
some Billies cause Riv is sold out. 

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes indeed. I use a B17 and had Grant design a custom for the upright 
> position I need to deal with my arthritic wrists. The original plan was for 
> Boscos and their massive height but the grip angle was a little too severe 
> for me, I switched to Billie's on a DirtDrop and that's the stuff, baby. 
> The splayed out angle (a little more than Albatross, too) is just what I 
> needed. 
>
> Pictured on a the very hot ride I did today: too hot but I was comfy! 
>
> Joe "I can't sell them" Bernard 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:32:53 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think you are on the right track. On my Clem I have found the sweet 
>> spot with a Tosco & a B67. It’s a magical combination. No longer need a 
>> padded short & hand / wrist issues are but a memory.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 7:51 PM, brizbarn  wrote:
>>
>> Looking for Billie Bars if anyone wants to sell. I ride a 60 Appaloosa 
>> with Sim Works Little Nick bars now. Interested in swept back bars in order 
>> to not lean forward as much, and relieve pressure from B17 saddle, 
>> hopefully stay on sit-bones better. Considering Albatross as well, but 
>> think I’d like the longer grip area and more out sweep of the Nitto Billie. 
>> Any thoughts on this are welcome. Never rode swept back bars before, other 
>> than around the block. 
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[RBW] SimpleOne upgrade

[Jason Zakaras]

Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.

Before:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/

After:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/

Cheers,

Jason, also a pretty simple one

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[RBW] SimpleOne upgrade

[Jason Zakaras]

Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/;
 
title="Z’s Rivendell SimpleOne">https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52212931663_524fd183d8_k.jpg; 
width="2048" height="1536" alt="Z’s Rivendell SimpleOne">


Cheers,

Jason, also a pretty simple one

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[RBW] SimpleOne Upgraded

[Jason Zakaras]

Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2nxVjTs][img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52213400520_d9d2f5671e_z.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/2nxVjTs]Z’s
 
Rivendell SimpleOne[/url] by 
[url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/]Jason Zakaras[/url], on 
Flickr

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2nxSVvH][img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52212931663_95e9b96683_z.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/2nxSVvH]Z’s
 
Rivendell SimpleOne[/url] by 
[url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/]Jason Zakaras[/url], on 
Flickr


Cheers,

Jason, also a pretty simple one

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[RBW] 52 Clem frame sor sale

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm going to sell my 52 Clem L frame in a couple of weeks so I thought I 
would offer it here first.  It's the dark bronze green color and in like 
new condition.  It might have 80 miles on it.  Riv talked me into sizing up 
when I bought it and it's never felt quite right, so I'm replacing it with 
a Rosco Plat.  I live in Seattle and would much prefer to sell it locally. 
 Asking $850.


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot for trade/sale

[alan lavine]

Sorry to say that no trades are in sight and several have expressed 
interest in a sale.I tried to research a reasonable price but data are hard 
to come by since very few of these end up on the market. I'm gonna ask 
$2150 net to me. Buyer pays shipping, even if it requires 2 boxes because 
of size. I'll do the tedious packing for free. Local pick up earns a $100 
discount. The Brooks saddle stays with me, it's attached to my butt.
Here are the details, LMK if I've forgotten something.

Soma Oxford handlebars, albatross equivalent 
Nitto Technomic stem
Vintage no name mt. bike brake levers
Suntour bar con shifters, black lever covers labeled Raleigh
Sackville HB bag
Tektro 559 brakes with kool-stop inserts
Shimano Deore hubs laced to Mavic 519 rims
Soma Supple Vitesse SL 700 x 48 tires with minimal use
Love Mud flat pedals
VO double crank 46/30
uno seatpost
Claris front der. Acera rear der.
7 speed Shimano HG cassette 34 T max.
Greenfield kickstand
KMC chain
Carradice Barley bag with Bagman support 
Last, but by no means least, Sackville hub shiners!!

Not the way I thought it would go, but let's go with it. Hope this all 
sounds reasonable to you.
Best,
Alan

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:02:37 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> No trade offers yet.  Anyone interested in a sale? I'll work up a spec 
> sheet and price.
> Local pick up a big bonus!
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 1:36:31 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> Someone requested pics about my previous post. If you need more specific 
>> info contact me please.
>> Thanks 
>> Alan
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Billie Bars

[Richard Rose]

I think you are on the right track. On my Clem I have found the sweet spot with 
a Tosco & a B67. It’s a magical combination. No longer need a padded short & 
hand / wrist issues are but a memory.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 7:51 PM, brizbarn  wrote:
> 
> Looking for Billie Bars if anyone wants to sell. I ride a 60 Appaloosa with 
> Sim Works Little Nick bars now. Interested in swept back bars in order to not 
> lean forward as much, and relieve pressure from B17 saddle, hopefully stay on 
> sit-bones better. Considering Albatross as well, but think I’d like the 
> longer grip area and more out sweep of the Nitto Billie. Any thoughts on this 
> are welcome. Never rode swept back bars before, other than around the block. 
> 
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[RBW] WTB: Billie Bars

[brizbarn]

Looking for Billie Bars if anyone wants to sell. I ride a 60 Appaloosa with 
Sim Works Little Nick bars now. Interested in swept back bars in order to 
not lean forward as much, and relieve pressure from B17 saddle, hopefully 
stay on sit-bones better. Considering Albatross as well, but think I’d like 
the longer grip area and more out sweep of the Nitto Billie. Any thoughts 
on this are welcome. Never rode swept back bars before, other than around 
the block. 

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

[Will M]

Bill, I love the design constraints (one-day build, single-speed touring, 
AND low cost).  About 4 years ago, motivated by my Quickbeam's setup of 
"One Speed, One Cog, One God" (exactly, Patrick :) -- but needing 
significantly more luggage capacity than a Quickbeam for living car-free -- 
I did a VO Campeur single-speed conversion via a Surly Ultra New 
Singlespeed MTB Rear Hub and a Paul chain tensioner.  The Riv/Nitto Big 
Back Rack, naturally.  Porteur front rack.  Albatross bars. As you can 
see...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/28828007907/in/album-72157668716780897/

Darn thing ended up being $1200 more than my Quickbeam, and it took me 
weeks to build it, so I failed 2 of 3 of your constraints.  But I love the 
simplicity of singlespeed touring. :)

Cheers,
Will
  

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:12:08 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I had a chromed Soma Rush with a similar gear setup (two chainrings up 
> front and two cogs on a road wheelset). That was a wickedly fun bike to 
> mess around on and my first steps into non-conventional builds. Shoulda 
> kept it but at least it paid for our first couch. 
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:46:51 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> hey bill looks great, and the pre-scratch & dent frames can be a little 
>> liberating, but even with the parts bin build, a quickbeam is always gonna 
>> look great!
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That's an interesting project. The Puritan in me insists on "One Ring 
>>> One Cog One God" (and no g-d freewheel) as an old t-shirt from the fixie 
>>> fad era proclaimed, but I also have worked up devious ways to have my 
>>> single-fixed gear cake and multiple gear options to eat too.
>>>
>>> As to the contest, best ss touring/commuter/all rounder/beater ride for 
>>> the dollar, I have to recall one that got away, that early '90s rigid 
>>> top-end Diamond Back Axis Team (beautifully tapered, skinny straight leg 
>>> fork; no one can tell me that straight forks can't be beautiful) that I 
>>> converted with ENO hub to a 64" fixed gear all rounder with 60 mm Big 
>>> Apples. Perfectly neutral handling, high bb allowing you to pedal the 170 
>>> mm cranks around corners, tires that rolled acceptably on pavement, floated 
>>> over sand, and shrugged off goatheads even though this was 10 years before 
>>> good sealants. All this was achieved largely for the cost of the ENO hub, 
>>> as my brother gave me a family deal on the frameset and I had the other 
>>> bits lying around; but it has been too long for me to recall a total.
>>>
>>> I think this project beat out even that other low-cost fixed/ss project 
>>> using an early-gen Raleigh Technium sports tourer.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 1:41 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 A while back I posted a WTB for a 58cm Quickbeam.  I finally found a 
 frameset/wheelset on a trade.  It had all been ridden pretty hard as a 
 commuter, and that pre-installed beausage kind of liberated me from some 
 of 
 the usual perfectionist tendencies that I have with my builds.  

 A thread over on iBob showed off a ~$3000 Pro's Closet listing of a 
 Vanilla branded "single speed tourer", and one of the responders suggested 
 that we should have a build-off: build the nicest single speed tourer you 
 can for the minimum amount of money.  

 In response to that challenge I threw together a one-day build using 
 entirely stuff laying around in my parts collection.  Particularly 
 iconoclastic details include a gold anodized Nitto Pearl 11 stem, a 
 heavily 
 modified brakeset, and handlebar tape entirely fashioned from remnants.  
 Anyway, if you want to have a look, I've got a flickr album:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720300383026

 It's actually a 6-speed single speed.  In the album, there are 35/38 
 chainrings, a 20/22 Dos/ENO freewheel on one side and a 17T fixed cog on 
 the other.  I did some calculations targeted at utilizing the generously 
 long Quickbeam dropouts, and decided I can get away with 40/34 chainrings, 
 which I also had on-hand on the chainring board.  I have a 16/18 freewheel 
 on the way, and then I'll convert it to an 8-speed singlespeed, with gears 
 ranging from 43 to 69 inches.  

 There's another order in the works to make this 'Beam even weirder, but 
 that project is a few weeks out.  We'll see if this build concept makes 
 its 
 way onto a Roaduno.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS Paul Thumbies

[Frank Brose]

Pending

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:32:06 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:

> New in package Paul Thumbies 22.2 black,  Shimano. $85 dollars shipped in 
> CONUS.
>
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 68cm Atlantis

[Cal Patterson]

Wow that is such a good looking bike. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 68 
before, xl frames just look so dang good to my eye. I love how you’ve built 
it too. I’m starting to think I could fit a much bigger atlantis than I 
previously thought, inspired by this picture..
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:42:02 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> What a beautiful Atlantis! At just over 6’4” I can appreciate these bikes 
> and hope to someday own a larger Atlantis. Great work and I bet it rides 
> nice.
> Randy
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:49:12 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What a great looking bike. The pink case on the Wahoo is a really nice 
>> touch. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:39:11 AM UTC-7 mark etze wrote:
>>
>>> That's a great looking Atlantis. I am always sorta looking for 68cm 
>>> Riv's and when I saw your WTB I just figured there was no chance you would 
>>> get one because they are so rare. Congratulations on finding 2.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Following up here just to say that, against the odds, this worked 
 amazingly well. Took 9 days from the WTB being posted for me to take 
 delivery of a 68cm Atlantis frame, which I built up right away, fine tuned 
 for a week or so, and is now up and running. The build was mainly dictated 
 by parts availability in my garage (didn't buy anything), but I also took 
 inspiration from the colour scheme of 1980s era Burger Kings after a photo 
 of one preserved behind a wall at a mall in Delaware made its rounds on 
 the 
 internet a couple of weeks ago! I've attached a photo—hope I've done so 
 properly. 

 This success, I presume, would be unlikely enough. But, my WTB also led 
 straight to finding the other 68 I had been wanting, a Quickbeam, which 
 arrived today! Seems miraculous. Thanks to the tall guys on here who 
 helped 
 me out! 

 Mack in Alberta (and in the middle of a pbh range) 

 On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:

> In the last couple of years, at least, the bunch seems to have been 
> amazingly effective at moving some 68cm Atlantises (Atlantii?) around to 
> new owners. So, one more time? F/F/HS would be ideal, but if you only 
> want 
> to sell complete my arm could be twisted, probably. 
>
> I've been a reader for a little while, but never a poster, so this 
> post might have an uphill battle ahead of it. Maybe a brief explanation 
> will help: I managed to buy a 67cm Homer this winter, and it went 
> straight 
> to the top of my favourites list, ahead of a 62cm 2TT Appaloosa (thx Jim 
> W!), a 61cm Roadini that I'm always on the verge of selling, and just 
> barely ahead of a 60cm Platypus. Being totally hooked on the fit of the 
> Homer, I want another big one but with room for fatter tires.
>
> Could this work in time for my end of summer tour in the Rockies to be 
> an Atlantis tour? Here's hoping!
>
> Mack in Alberta 
>


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[RBW] Re: WTB: 68cm Atlantis

[larson....@gmail.com]

What a beautiful Atlantis! At just over 6’4” I can appreciate these bikes 
and hope to someday own a larger Atlantis. Great work and I bet it rides 
nice.
Randy

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:49:12 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a great looking bike. The pink case on the Wahoo is a really nice 
> touch. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:39:11 AM UTC-7 mark etze wrote:
>
>> That's a great looking Atlantis. I am always sorta looking for 68cm Riv's 
>> and when I saw your WTB I just figured there was no chance you would get 
>> one because they are so rare. Congratulations on finding 2.
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Following up here just to say that, against the odds, this worked 
>>> amazingly well. Took 9 days from the WTB being posted for me to take 
>>> delivery of a 68cm Atlantis frame, which I built up right away, fine tuned 
>>> for a week or so, and is now up and running. The build was mainly dictated 
>>> by parts availability in my garage (didn't buy anything), but I also took 
>>> inspiration from the colour scheme of 1980s era Burger Kings after a photo 
>>> of one preserved behind a wall at a mall in Delaware made its rounds on the 
>>> internet a couple of weeks ago! I've attached a photo—hope I've done so 
>>> properly. 
>>>
>>> This success, I presume, would be unlikely enough. But, my WTB also led 
>>> straight to finding the other 68 I had been wanting, a Quickbeam, which 
>>> arrived today! Seems miraculous. Thanks to the tall guys on here who helped 
>>> me out! 
>>>
>>> Mack in Alberta (and in the middle of a pbh range) 
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>>
 In the last couple of years, at least, the bunch seems to have been 
 amazingly effective at moving some 68cm Atlantises (Atlantii?) around to 
 new owners. So, one more time? F/F/HS would be ideal, but if you only want 
 to sell complete my arm could be twisted, probably. 

 I've been a reader for a little while, but never a poster, so this post 
 might have an uphill battle ahead of it. Maybe a brief explanation will 
 help: I managed to buy a 67cm Homer this winter, and it went straight to 
 the top of my favourites list, ahead of a 62cm 2TT Appaloosa (thx Jim W!), 
 a 61cm Roadini that I'm always on the verge of selling, and just barely 
 ahead of a 60cm Platypus. Being totally hooked on the fit of the Homer, I 
 want another big one but with room for fatter tires.

 Could this work in time for my end of summer tour in the Rockies to be 
 an Atlantis tour? Here's hoping!

 Mack in Alberta 

>>>

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[RBW] FS Paul Thumbies

[Frank Brose]

New in package Paul Thumbies 22.2 black,  Shimano. $85 dollars shipped in 
CONUS.
https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/

Thanks,
Frank

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[RBW] Re: 56+ before 55!

[RichS]

Hello Drew,

Thank you for telling your story. It's inspiring to read about your 
positive attitude and resolve in overcoming your medical issues. Best 
wishes for good health and many years of good rides on your beautiful red 
Rivendell.

Something else in your post jumped out at me and that is the locale for 
your rides is the same area where Jobst Brandt and his pals regularly rode. 
Really nice that you have access to those routes. I just read Ray Hosler's 
book "Once Upon a Ride", an account of the "Jobst rides" rides from 1980 - 
2007. It's a fun read with lots of photographs and names you'll recognize 
(Tom Ritchey and Peter Johnson are two). Hosler still lives in the Bay area 
and continues to ride those roads. Check out his blog at 
rayhosler.wordpress.com

Stay well and keep the wheels turning!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 9:41:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Saunders wrote:

> For the past few years, I've tried to ride my age or more on or about my 
> birthday (this Sunday, the 17th, a.k.a. "World Emoji Day!"). Although not 
> as impressive as crossing the country, it was still a good ride today.
>
> In 2017, instead of riding 50+ miles for my 50th birthday, I spent my 
> birthday in the hospital due to a bad reaction to Xeloda, my first 
> chemotherapy drug. Oh, did I mention that in April of 2017 I found out that 
> I had adenocarcinoma of the descending colon? I had the colectomy at the 
> end of May, and started chemo at the end of June (and re-started it at the 
> end of July with a different drug). That'll put a damper in your riding 
> plans any day! 
>
> I was able to do a 53 mile ride before turning 51 in 2018, and a 55 mile 
> ride before turning 52 in 2019. I found my fitness dropping unexpectedly in 
> 2020, but eventually figured out that it was due to working from home and 
> no longer walking or biking to work (which is only 2 miles each way, but it 
> adds up). I added a neighborhood walk to my morning routine and improved my 
> fitness, but wasn't able to get in a 53+ mile ride for 2020. Then, in 
> November 2020 (Friday the 13th, of course) I found out that my cancer had 
> returned in a single tumor in my liver. That (along with 1/4 of my liver) 
> was removed at the end of December.
>
> 2021 was the year of regrowing my liver, so no long ride that July! I 
> still got in some medium rides, but didn't make 54KM, much less 54 miles 
> for any of them.
>
> I set out this morning to do a variation on the same 53 and 55 mile ride I 
> had done in 2018 and 2019, just with a little more at each end. For the 
> locals, this is Cañada road to the end, then meander through Woodside, 
> Portola Valley and Los Altos Hills, then Foothill Expressway/Steven's 
> Canyon Road and turn around at the Lakeshore Picnic Area then home. It 
> totaled 56.62 miles! Eventually, I'll have to switch to kilometers.
>
> "Pics or it didn't happen":
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-18-35_568.jpg]
> The turnaround at Cañada Road and Hwy 92 (uppermost part of Lower Crystal 
> Springs reservoir)
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-27-30_001.jpg]
> The famous Pulgas Water Temple from the fence (it looks better up close)
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-54-51_607.jpg]
> The Woodside Store, a fine place to stop for a snack and refill the 
> bottles. The glowing blue stuff is Gatorade. That's a very early (Duluth 
> patch) "banana bag" in the back and a "candy bar bag" in the front.[image: 
> 2022-07-15_11-38-41_948.jpg]
> Last snack stop at Lakeshore Picnic Area selfie. Yes, Oscar is a 
> Retrogrouch! His trash can is STEEL, not plastic!
>
> Drew
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Brett Callahan]

PSA:  Looks like those longer reach dia compe are in stock at Soma Fab.  

 They're 
not cheap.

My experience with 559 vs. Paul centerpulls on a caliper brake Hillborne 
model was that the CP's stopped a little better than 559's  in the dry, and 
'felt' better, probably because less flex. However, braking in the dry from 
both was satisfactory with Kool Stop pads.  In the wet, (actively raining, 
hard) neither brake stopped worth a damn. 
Caveats: I'm a big guy at 250+ and really well set up cantis don't stop me 
in the wet all that well either.  For wet weather braking, a bike with 
discs or to a lesser extent V-brakes are the way to go, I think. 

Brett

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:15:23 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> Hey Patrick - this diagram with measurements is from the Grand Bois 
> website.  https://cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/gb_ch_m.html
> Hope it's helpful!
>
> I highly recommend going through Jitensha Studio. I live in NYC and they 
> made this transaction super easy, the parts got to me quickly, shipping was 
> better than it would have been from Japan. And I like that when I want 
> parts from the likes of Peter White or Hiroshi-san, I have to call and 
> speak with a human :)
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-07-19 at 10.00.00 AM.png]
>
> Patch
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you mentioned these, as I'd not heard of them. They look nice, 
>> and if they stop as you say, then they are very good deals at half the 
>> price -- or less -- of Paul's. 
>>
>> The website does not say; how long a reach do they have? And: Will the 
>> wider ones fit 42s and fenders? If so, I almost wish I'd had my 2020 
>> Matthews built for these instead of cantilevers (also Paul's).
>>
>> I must get a pair of those lovely non-aero levers; besides, it would be 
>> an opportunity to finally by a HP 20 pump chuck. 
>>
>> Curious: Besides calling Jitensha, can you order the DC levers online 
>> anywhere? A quick Google (v,t) did not help. 
>>
>> Also, unrelated except by the Jitensha site: Has anyone used these 650 
>> latex tubes? 58 grams??? Those are lighter than the Schwalbe XL 559 X 42s I 
>> use on the Matthews, which are a burdensome 90 grams and cost a plebian $15 
>> each.
>>
>> 650 X 36-42B, latex super lightweight, made by Soyo, 34mm valve stem, 58g 
>>  $35.00 ea
>>
>> How neat would it be to have tubes that weigh the less than my extralight 
>> 571/559 X 23 mm (60 gr advertised, 70 grams actual) and cost more than some 
>> tires I've used?
>>
>> And I see that they still offer their wool-mix knickers and socks; 
>> wonderful. Since Rick Risemberg's store is long gone, it's good to know 
>> that really nice cycling knickers and socks are still available -- the Riv, 
>> Swrv, etc knickers I've used simply don't fit as well as the old fashioned 
>> type like these that are cut like regular street pants in waist and hips.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 6:27 PM Patch T  wrote:
>>
>>> I've used a set of these Grand Bois "Chouette" long reach centerpulls 
>>> for a conversion, using a backing plate:
>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/brakes.html
>>>
>>> Decent value, great looks, maybe finicky to set up, but fantastic 
>>> braking power. I love my MiniMotos and love these, too. They have very 
>>> different feels, but are both very effective.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 9:37:19 AM UTC-4 Pierre wrote:
>>>
 Hi bunch - 

 Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping power 
 (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other bikes).

 Looking for an upgrade but looks like long reach Paul racer are no 
 longer produced. What are my options lately? Anyone tried Rene Herse 
 center 
 pulls?

 (Even toying with idea of sending frame to Bilenky to add canti studs 
 so I can run mini-motos but maybe a bit extreme...).

 Thanks.

 Pierre

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 68cm Atlantis

[Brett Callahan]

What a great looking bike. The pink case on the Wahoo is a really nice 
touch. 

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:39:11 AM UTC-7 mark etze wrote:

> That's a great looking Atlantis. I am always sorta looking for 68cm Riv's 
> and when I saw your WTB I just figured there was no chance you would get 
> one because they are so rare. Congratulations on finding 2.
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Following up here just to say that, against the odds, this worked 
>> amazingly well. Took 9 days from the WTB being posted for me to take 
>> delivery of a 68cm Atlantis frame, which I built up right away, fine tuned 
>> for a week or so, and is now up and running. The build was mainly dictated 
>> by parts availability in my garage (didn't buy anything), but I also took 
>> inspiration from the colour scheme of 1980s era Burger Kings after a photo 
>> of one preserved behind a wall at a mall in Delaware made its rounds on the 
>> internet a couple of weeks ago! I've attached a photo—hope I've done so 
>> properly. 
>>
>> This success, I presume, would be unlikely enough. But, my WTB also led 
>> straight to finding the other 68 I had been wanting, a Quickbeam, which 
>> arrived today! Seems miraculous. Thanks to the tall guys on here who helped 
>> me out! 
>>
>> Mack in Alberta (and in the middle of a pbh range) 
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>
>>> In the last couple of years, at least, the bunch seems to have been 
>>> amazingly effective at moving some 68cm Atlantises (Atlantii?) around to 
>>> new owners. So, one more time? F/F/HS would be ideal, but if you only want 
>>> to sell complete my arm could be twisted, probably. 
>>>
>>> I've been a reader for a little while, but never a poster, so this post 
>>> might have an uphill battle ahead of it. Maybe a brief explanation will 
>>> help: I managed to buy a 67cm Homer this winter, and it went straight to 
>>> the top of my favourites list, ahead of a 62cm 2TT Appaloosa (thx Jim W!), 
>>> a 61cm Roadini that I'm always on the verge of selling, and just barely 
>>> ahead of a 60cm Platypus. Being totally hooked on the fit of the Homer, I 
>>> want another big one but with room for fatter tires.
>>>
>>> Could this work in time for my end of summer tour in the Rockies to be 
>>> an Atlantis tour? Here's hoping!
>>>
>>> Mack in Alberta 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L for Sale 55cm Green 2019

[Doug H.]

Sorry, I just saw your corrected size post. Good luck on the sale. I am 
loving my Clem
Doug

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> John,
> The sizing is off as the Clems came in 45, 52, 59 and 64. Wheel sizes were 
> 27.5 on the 52 which I'm guessing yours is.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:16 PM UTC-4 John Maher wrote:
>
>> LINK TO PHOTOS’
>>
>>
>> https://ksu.craigslist.org/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7509299017.html
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 2:27:50 AM UTC-4 John Maher wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks
>>>
>>> The bike is in NYC, I would rather not ship
>>> Green Clem smith L 55
>>>
>>> Fairly stock, brooks saddle
>>> Brooks leather grips
>>> Not sure what brand the pedals are
>>> If there is any interest I can post up some pix
>>>
>>>  $1750
>>> Cost wo saddle pedal and grips
>>> Lightly used, very clean 
>>>
>>> John 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L for Sale 55cm Green 2019

[Doug H.]

John,
The sizing is off as the Clems came in 45, 52, 59 and 64. Wheel sizes were 
27.5 on the 52 which I'm guessing yours is.
Doug

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:16 PM UTC-4 John Maher wrote:

> LINK TO PHOTOS’
>
>
> https://ksu.craigslist.org/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7509299017.html
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 2:27:50 AM UTC-4 John Maher wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks
>>
>> The bike is in NYC, I would rather not ship
>> Green Clem smith L 55
>>
>> Fairly stock, brooks saddle
>> Brooks leather grips
>> Not sure what brand the pedals are
>> If there is any interest I can post up some pix
>>
>>  $1750
>> Cost wo saddle pedal and grips
>> Lightly used, very clean 
>>
>> John 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 68cm Atlantis

['mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a great looking Atlantis. I am always sorta looking for 68cm Riv's 
and when I saw your WTB I just figured there was no chance you would get 
one because they are so rare. Congratulations on finding 2.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Following up here just to say that, against the odds, this worked 
> amazingly well. Took 9 days from the WTB being posted for me to take 
> delivery of a 68cm Atlantis frame, which I built up right away, fine tuned 
> for a week or so, and is now up and running. The build was mainly dictated 
> by parts availability in my garage (didn't buy anything), but I also took 
> inspiration from the colour scheme of 1980s era Burger Kings after a photo 
> of one preserved behind a wall at a mall in Delaware made its rounds on the 
> internet a couple of weeks ago! I've attached a photo—hope I've done so 
> properly. 
>
> This success, I presume, would be unlikely enough. But, my WTB also led 
> straight to finding the other 68 I had been wanting, a Quickbeam, which 
> arrived today! Seems miraculous. Thanks to the tall guys on here who helped 
> me out! 
>
> Mack in Alberta (and in the middle of a pbh range) 
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>
>> In the last couple of years, at least, the bunch seems to have been 
>> amazingly effective at moving some 68cm Atlantises (Atlantii?) around to 
>> new owners. So, one more time? F/F/HS would be ideal, but if you only want 
>> to sell complete my arm could be twisted, probably. 
>>
>> I've been a reader for a little while, but never a poster, so this post 
>> might have an uphill battle ahead of it. Maybe a brief explanation will 
>> help: I managed to buy a 67cm Homer this winter, and it went straight to 
>> the top of my favourites list, ahead of a 62cm 2TT Appaloosa (thx Jim W!), 
>> a 61cm Roadini that I'm always on the verge of selling, and just barely 
>> ahead of a 60cm Platypus. Being totally hooked on the fit of the Homer, I 
>> want another big one but with room for fatter tires.
>>
>> Could this work in time for my end of summer tour in the Rockies to be an 
>> Atlantis tour? Here's hoping!
>>
>> Mack in Alberta 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Me packing a frame for shipping (repair & repaint)

[Mike Godwin]

Anyone that has received something from me finds the void spaces filled 
with plastic capped 1-gallon milk jugs, or 64 oz soda bottles. Lightweight 
and they don't collapse. Styrofoam is good too, left over from someone's 
electronics or tool packaging. 

Mike "i'm with Joe on zip ties" SLO CA

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:00:34 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My one quibble would be zipties. I freakin' hate trying to cut or twist 
> those suckers off while trying to avoid gouging paint. I wrap the pipe 
> insulation with tape. 
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:23:29 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I pack like that too, and if no styrofoam is available I use bubble wrap. 
>>  Well done.  
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 4:24:08 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> It's heading out to get repaired & repainted, just 3.5 hours away, 
>>> but... 
>>>
>>> - Max "let's not talk about how I got this way" in A2 
>>>
>>> [image: Shipping a frame - seat tube & fork steerer.jpg]
>>> [image: Shipping a frame - dropouts.jpg]
>>> [image: Shipping a frame - tube protection.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New 650b Rims from Crust

[Erik Wright]

I'm looking at getting a set of these wheels in 700c for my Sam Hillborne, 
but they're 130mm spacing without the ability to add spacers and re-dish 
the wheel. The Hillborne's spacing is 135mm.

I've put 130mm wheels in the Hillborne before and just tightened down the 
QR, but only for a short period of time. Any downsides to this as a long 
term solution with this wheelset? I use friction shifting, so I don't have 
to worry much about slight derailleur alignment issues.

Erik, Philly

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:06:05 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Buy the rims and have a good wheelbuilder build them up for you!  I've got 
> a Crust bike, and I'm thinking I'll buy some 700c rims and rebuild my 
> wheelset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:48:13 AM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>
>> BTW, I just saw Russ from Path Less Pedaled gave the wheels a quick 
>> positive review when he tried them on the Crust Lightning Bolt.
>>
>> He basically says they're affordable, light-ish, and it's nice to have 
>> another rim-brake, tubeless compatible option out there.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Q2vU_p1bNZg?t=90
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:23:49 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for sharing your experiences. I'm still leaning towards 
>>> getting a set to use tubeless, but now I'll know to expect to have to true 
>>> them up early.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I’ve been using the 700c version of these for a few months on several 
 different bikes. The rear did go out of true not too long after I got 
 them. 
 I was as kind of surprised, but trued them up and no problems since. I 
 liked the price point too with the front hub. I was able to set them up 
 tubeless with no problems either. 
 Lance

 On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-6 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> You are correct, Drew.  The rh is no louder than a White rh, but much 
> louder than a 105 or Deore rh.  It is what it is.  What I failed to 
> mention 
> was how nice the dynamo front hub is at this price point I like the 
> wheelset a bunch.
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 3:04:36 PM UTC-6 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> I have a pair on a fairly new crust romanceur, and i like them quite 
>> a bit. rear hub is no louder than a white industry hub i have on another 
>> bike. I really like the SP generator hub, i think it's a good value. 
>>
>> I am curious if the spoke tensioning holds up. I probably have about 
>> 100 miles on them. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:07:36 AM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I own a set of the Crust wheels on my Canti Lightning bolt, and 
>>> they’re just fine, although the rear hub is loud.  Mine are the 650b 
>>> size, 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:11:41 AM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a pair of the 700c complete wheelsets and I probably put 
 them through more rough stuff than they were intended to be on. 

 I've ridden them for about 500-600 miles, about 40% gravel (nothing 
 super rough) and 60% road in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills. I ride my 
 bikes 
 kind of hard, with a lot of out of the saddle, high torque efforts. 
 I'm 
 never riding any trails that I'd be more comfortable on a front 
 suspension 
 bike on. The wheels were machine built, so they went out of true 
 rather 
 quickly which was expected. At ~200 miles, I gave them a little touch 
 true 
 to keep them laterally true. But shortly after (~70 miles later), they 
 went 
 out of true again, and I attributed this to my lack of experience 
 truing 
 wheels, it being machine-built wheel, how light the rim is, and/or how 
 hard 
 i'm pushing them. 

 An acquaintance mentioned that he had to true his wheelset about 5 
 times before they stayed true. I'm not super well equipped to true 
 wheels 
 appropriately, so this would have gotten expensive for me to get a 
 shop to 
 do this regularly, so I just got them detensioned/retensioned by a 
 trusted 
 wheel builder. The wheel builder mentioned that the rear hub is a bit 
 crunchy already and he suggested I replace the bearings and clean out 
 the 
 internals to get 'em smooth again. I wasn't thrilled to hear that, but 
 it's 
 all good. 

 Anyways, the wheels are light and really responsive, I like how 
 quickly they spin up, and they're priced really well. But since I'm 
 not a 
 wheelbuilder-type, I think this is the last machine-built wheelset I 
 ever 
 buy. The wheels were pretty, light, and cheap-ish. But as 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[lconley]

If the brake bridge is not compatible, then just attach one of these 
between the rack mounts, or to a seat post rack mount (available in many 
sizes) clamp. 


[image: brake.JPG]


[image: brake2.JPG]

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Laing





On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:41 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

>
>
> A funky monkey could only be used if you changed to a 27.2 seatpost with 
> the proper seat tube shim. The Roco has a 29.8 post. 
>
> If the seat lug teardrop thingy didn't go so far down you could attach a 
> 31.8mm front drop cable stop with either a curved or flexible noodle to 
> adjust for the angle, but it's there so that won't work either. 
>
> The Tektro fork mounted hangers look fine and all on a computer screen. 
> When the rubber meets the road however, it appears the rear brake bridge is 
> like the Susie, with the threaded hold facing down. Besides, even if you 
> could attach it, those hangers on the rear place the cable stop notably 
> offset (rearward) from where a frame mounted cable stop would be. I tried 
> it on the Susie. 
>
> All of that though .well why should one have to go through all those 
> hoops when the entire problem is one of omitting the cable stop bridge ? 
> ((Yes I know, I'm just howling to the moon and the Moon ain't replying, 
> teeheehee)) They cost about $1.95 from a frame supplier, retail. For a 
> builder, ummm  pennies. Labor involved, c'mon . do we really want 
> to go there ?  So it surely can't be about penny pinching, especially on a 
> $1350 frame. So why not include it ?(((again ... how-ooo-ling))) I could 
> make all sorts of not so nice assumptions but they'd be no more than that. 
> There is really no excuse for not having one.  Canti brakes are not going 
> away. There's plenty to choose from still, so no that's no excuse. 
>
> I'm okay with not getting one though as it wasn't exactly what I'd like in 
> frame anyways. I have a Susie and as of now I have no desire to even build 
> it, let alone ride. Through all this I realize I happen to really like 
> "regular" diamond shaped bikes that take stock length chains and can be 
> used with either drop bars or say a Albatross/stache bar, not one of those 
> monster swept back bars. While I'll never rid myself of the Bombadil I 
> don't think I'll ever buy another Riv. That's not knock, just my preference 
> from what feels natural to me, that's like my custom Franklin 
> road/sport/touring kinda frame. 
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 4:28:42 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Ran into the same thing on the Rosco Baby:
>>
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>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 4:22:28 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> That's a good idea Laing... I have some nice cantis I would like to use, 
>>> but no V brakes on hand. I think I'll try something like this.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 4:19 PM lconley  wrote:
>>>
 Use one of these. Works front or rear with different length bolt:
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 Laing

>>>


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot for trade/sale

[alan lavine]

No trade offers yet.  Anyone interested in a sale? I'll work up a spec 
sheet and price.
Local pick up a big bonus!

Thanks,
Alan

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 1:36:31 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> Someone requested pics about my previous post. If you need more specific 
> info contact me please.
> Thanks 
> Alan
>
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