Re: [RBW] Summer Riding in Alberta

[scott minor]

Mack,   Nicely done!  Really enjoyable to watch and listen.  (no music, 
yay!)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[bo richardson]

I am known far and wide as a harsh and vengeful critic but I found nothing 
to fault in the shoe liosting here. It was calm reasonable and very 
informative, I didnt already know everything in the ad,

Carry on

Bo
bellingham

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:37 AM UTC-7 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:

> My apologies! Rereading this posting, I feel that I come across as a 
> know-it-all, while I should realize that I am really preaching to the choir 
> here.
> Bottom line. I,m sorry. Also, let me be more realistic and drop the price 
> of the shoes to $200 shipped. If this too is unrealistic, let me know.
> Dave L
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:10:21 PM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>
>> I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
>> shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
>> purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
>> company owner was going to close the business.
>>
>> I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
>> much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
>> jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
>> The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.
>>
>> They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The 
>> most comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft 
>> leather liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with 
>> super wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These 
>> appear to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's 
>> Bicycle Quarterly.
>>
>> Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
>> at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
>> is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Matthew Williams]

ATLANTIS
53cm
4000
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/vashon-rivendell-atlantis/7657820852.html

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Roberta]

Welcome. 

I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as needed.

My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years ago I 
test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your size. 

Roberta, Philadelphia

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:

> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
> Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>
> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>
> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[David Linden]

The shoes have been sold. Thank you all for your consideration.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:37 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:

> My apologies! Rereading this posting, I feel that I come across as a 
> know-it-all, while I should realize that I am really preaching to the choir 
> here.
> Bottom line. I,m sorry. Also, let me be more realistic and drop the price 
> of the shoes to $200 shipped. If this too is unrealistic, let me know.
> Dave L
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:10:21 PM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>
>> I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
>> shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
>> purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
>> company owner was going to close the business.
>>
>> I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
>> much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
>> jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
>> The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.
>>
>> They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The 
>> most comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft 
>> leather liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with 
>> super wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These 
>> appear to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's 
>> Bicycle Quarterly.
>>
>> Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
>> at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
>> is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Johnny Alien]

They have them on the Thomson site for the same clearance price as the 
straight one. $109

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:23:33 PM UTC-4 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> If anyone is sitting (metaphorically!) on a 26.8 setback Thomson,
> preferably silver - please DM me offlist - passively seeking same!
>
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
>
> On 8/14/23, Nick Payne  wrote:
> > On Sunday, 13 August 2023 at 2:58:09 am UTC+10 jonathan@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > Reaming has crossed my mind and I know riv uses thicker walled tubing 
> than
> > most, but I still wanted to avoid it. How has it been holding up for you?
> > Do you think 27.2 is possible? I would've much rather had that size from
> > the get-go, I didn't realize how rare 26.8 is becoming.
> >
> >
> > Provided that brazing the seat tube into the lug hasn't distorted the 
> seat
> > tube significantly out of round, it shouldn't be a problem. I've 
> certainly
> > had no problem with the frame that I reamed to 27.0. 27.2mm became the
> > defacto standard as it was the seatpost size used on most frames built 
> with
> >
> > Reynolds 531C.
> >
> > Nick Payne
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Joe Bunik]

If anyone is sitting (metaphorically!) on a 26.8 setback Thomson,
preferably silver - please DM me offlist - passively seeking same!

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


On 8/14/23, Nick Payne  wrote:
> On Sunday, 13 August 2023 at 2:58:09 am UTC+10 jonathan@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Reaming has crossed my mind and I know riv uses thicker walled tubing than
> most, but I still wanted to avoid it. How has it been holding up for you?
> Do you think 27.2 is possible? I would've much rather had that size from
> the get-go, I didn't realize how rare 26.8 is becoming.
>
>
> Provided that brazing the seat tube into the lug hasn't distorted the seat
> tube significantly out of round, it shouldn't be a problem. I've certainly
> had no problem with the frame that I reamed to 27.0. 27.2mm became the
> defacto standard as it was the seatpost size used on most frames built with
>
> Reynolds 531C.
>
> Nick Payne
>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report // Île d'Oléron

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for re-posting; lovely photos.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:18:05 AM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm, okay, I warned you that I'm new at this! Let me try again... Do
>>> these show up?
>>> [image: 20230811_203434.jpg]
>>> [image: 20230811_173157.jpg][image: 20230811_153741.jpg][image:
>>> 20230811_115007.jpg][image: 20230811_114047.jpg][image:
>>> 20230809_103159.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Johnny Alien]

I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the decal 
says, that can't be a Gallop.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>
> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>
> Max
>
> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post from 
> a video in IG.
>

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Re: [RBW] Summer Riding in Alberta

[Andrew Letton]

 Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!cheers from Oz,Andrew
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi people,I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would 
be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just perched my 
phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides in the week 
from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I thought that if the 
goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that the season makes are 
important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, my joe, my homer, and 
finally my quickbeam. Vid's here. Hope you find it fun!Enjoy the rest of 
August,Mack 

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[RBW] Re: Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[Peter Adler]

Finestkind; LMK when the handoff's happened. After 10+ years, time is 
obviously not a consideration on my end...

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:53:54 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

I've offered to buy the FW and extractor from George.  He wants a check in 
the mail, which I will happily provide, but I'm not going to be in front of 
my checkbook until after Labor Day.  Anyway, we'll get there

I also could probably do the modification of a normal extractor on my 
lathe, but that also would wait until after labor day.  George's tool gets 
us there for a lot less work.

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Re: [RBW] Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[Peter Adler]

Retro-direct  opportunity!

[image: 1024px-Retro-direct.svg.png]

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 2:00:07 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

I don't know if these endeavors are Einstein or Frankenstein, but there's 
no way to move but forward when one insists on using freewheels.  

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Ryan]

Diva indeed! Quite the bike

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:22:17 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Waterford-branded step-through frame with an Atlantis fork crown, and 26" 
> wheels, size 
> 55cm:
> $2500 BIN on eBay
> Richmond, California
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/325617910401?hash=item4bd0570281:g:zbUAAOSwUM5kOcJu=enc%3AAQAI0GVmsvx2G2EFBhyQHCGPYGyFyQ7RZZrtkT%2BxYBwKiQQBW7n4FDddMTyTJoX6PR2BpbOqwhc5qZhTARVIUceYrop9Qd6fUHOj%2F20bWDi3cVh2qR3MyKrqP0SIo0th7QRdQ0wn%2BE9A1UOBQQUFTN3xMwHYILOFPwY5Rfwk2Aq3e%2Bx24rpeE%2BDDntofA2Uh%2FI08tbL2PmPJiRHf21spIAL3SQfUO%2Br4HGS4Nm9jbvB%2BIJsj65%2BAWws0i0Ff7UEOjK29U7Vrv1zYISpxESv%2FyROPL%2BE%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5anpu7DYg
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:26:05 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Man o Man, someone needs to pick up the Roadeo for 1300 bucks. Thats 
>> almost the cost of the parts!
>>
>> Mike "1 Roadeo, but not my first goat rope" Godwin SLO CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:47:48 AM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Seller sent these pictures it looks like 60cm frame hopefully this helps 
>>> someone out there.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vern
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 9:43 AM NR MR  wrote:
>>>
 Is this a 57, or 60? Trying to find out what the minimum PBH is for 
 this one.

 On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> It’s a nicely priced 60cm bike. 
>
> IMO, it’s the most desirable Sam: canti brakes and a single top tube. 
> Too bad it’s not closer. 
>
> Eric
> Plain City OH
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-21 at 11.10.54 AM.png]
>>
>> I agree with Jonathan. My Hillborne is a verified 57cm from the same 
>> production run and my headtube is significantly shorter than the one 
>> pictured.  
>>
>> Customary lamentation for no drive-side picture. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:06:09 AM UTC-4 
>> jonathan@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It looks bigger than a 57 to me though. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:24:10 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That Hillborne seems very cheap for a complete bike. 

 On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
 wrote:

> SAM HILLBORNE
> 57cm
> 1200
> San Francisco, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/portola-valley-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7657012769.html
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Re: [RBW] Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick did indeed mail me three freewheels, and George is sending me 
another.  I also acquired Joe's Melvin, so I'm set up to cause all kinds of 
drivetrain troubles. 

I don't know if these endeavors are Einstein or Frankenstein, but there's 
no way to move but forward when one insists on using freewheels.  

BL in EC

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:19:25 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just mailed priority. Tracking # 9505 5131 2186 3234 2571 96
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Michael Morrissey]

Waterford-branded step-through frame with an Atlantis fork crown, and 26" 
wheels, size 
55cm:
$2500 BIN on eBay
Richmond, California
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325617910401?hash=item4bd0570281:g:zbUAAOSwUM5kOcJu=enc%3AAQAI0GVmsvx2G2EFBhyQHCGPYGyFyQ7RZZrtkT%2BxYBwKiQQBW7n4FDddMTyTJoX6PR2BpbOqwhc5qZhTARVIUceYrop9Qd6fUHOj%2F20bWDi3cVh2qR3MyKrqP0SIo0th7QRdQ0wn%2BE9A1UOBQQUFTN3xMwHYILOFPwY5Rfwk2Aq3e%2Bx24rpeE%2BDDntofA2Uh%2FI08tbL2PmPJiRHf21spIAL3SQfUO%2Br4HGS4Nm9jbvB%2BIJsj65%2BAWws0i0Ff7UEOjK29U7Vrv1zYISpxESv%2FyROPL%2BE%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5anpu7DYg


On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:26:05 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Man o Man, someone needs to pick up the Roadeo for 1300 bucks. Thats 
> almost the cost of the parts!
>
> Mike "1 Roadeo, but not my first goat rope" Godwin SLO CA
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:47:48 AM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Seller sent these pictures it looks like 60cm frame hopefully this helps 
>> someone out there.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vern
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 9:43 AM NR MR  wrote:
>>
>>> Is this a 57, or 60? Trying to find out what the minimum PBH is for this 
>>> one.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 It’s a nicely priced 60cm bike. 

 IMO, it’s the most desirable Sam: canti brakes and a single top tube. 
 Too bad it’s not closer. 

 Eric
 Plain City OH

 On Monday, August 21, 2023, Eric Marth  wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-21 at 11.10.54 AM.png]
>
> I agree with Jonathan. My Hillborne is a verified 57cm from the same 
> production run and my headtube is significantly shorter than the one 
> pictured.  
>
> Customary lamentation for no drive-side picture. 
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:06:09 AM UTC-4 jonathan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It looks bigger than a 57 to me though. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:24:10 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That Hillborne seems very cheap for a complete bike. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 SAM HILLBORNE
 57cm
 1200
 San Francisco, CA

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/portola-valley-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7657012769.html

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Re: [RBW] Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[Patrick Moore]

Just mailed priority. Tracking # 9505 5131 2186 3234 2571 96

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Melvin tensioner kit, RapidFire 8, stem bag

[Joe Bernard]

Just the shifters left. $20 shipped cuz I still have a box and these gotta 
go. 

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bag gone, bike gone, Paul Melvin kit $100
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 8:10:06 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Stem bag pending, SS kit dropped to $125. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:24:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> For clarity: the Melvin is part of an SS kit and probably priced a 
>>> smidge optimistically. Make offer. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:26:37 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I got stuff, I need less stuff! All prices plus shipping, PayPal, 
 Venmo, check. 

 Paul Melvin tensioner SS kit: Wolf Tooth 17t, unbranded 18t, two Gear 
 Clamps, buncha spacers and a lockring
 $200

 Shimano (no model name, looks like a Deore I had) 8-speed triggers, 
 triple front, pulled from a Marin hybrid and flushed, works great
 $20

 Roadrunner Co-Pilot stem bag, bought new a couple months ago, not used 
 much
 $30 

 Also selling this Dahon folder


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/daly-city-dahon-mariner-i7-folding/7651043300.html

 Thanks, 
 Joe Bernard
 Text or email for lots more pics and discussion and whatnot
 joeremi62 gmail com
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[RBW] Re: Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[Bill Lindsay]

Peter

I've offered to buy the FW and extractor from George.  He wants a check in 
the mail, which I will happily provide, but I'm not going to be in front of 
my checkbook until after Labor Day.  Anyway, we'll get there

I also could probably do the modification of a normal extractor on my 
lathe, but that also would wait until after labor day.  George's tool gets 
us there for a lot less work.  

BL in EC

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:24:24 AM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> If Bill's not interested in the modified BMX extractor, I am.
>
> I have a Phil + ENO wheel that I've had for about a decade, having bought 
> it off eBay figuring "what's the big deal? You just use a regular BMX 
> extractor, get it off the hub, then move on with your life, right?". When 
> the wheel arrived, I discovered that NOPE! that doesn't work. I couldn't 
> figure any way to get the freewheel off without wrecking it, which seemed 
> like a terrible waste. At the time, I emailed the Phil guys, who told me to 
> bring the wheel down and they'd get the pricy-nice freewheel off without 
> trashing it; I assume they've modified a BMX extractor (and probably other 
> extractors as well) to remove miscellaneous freewheels installed on Phil 
> hubs without sufficient attention paid to axle clearance. Unfortunately, I 
> never made it down to San Jose before I gave up the car; now a Phil 
> expedition would be a much bigger task.
>
> And so my useful wheel and usable-by-somebody else freewheel have sat ever 
> since, unused and taking up space.
>
> I'd gladly buy the extractor and lend it to my neighbor Bill as needed. 
> Alternately, he could buy it and lend it to me.
>
> Peter Adler
> in the town just south of Bill's place in El Cerrito, in
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:59:38 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
> I may be your man.  I have an 18T White ENO in my parts box that has had 
> minimal use and I'm unlikely to ever use again.  I also have a BMX 
> freewheel removal tool on which I had a machinist widen the center hole so 
> it can fit over a PW hub's axle cap, if you're interested.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS Frost River bags, Nitto lugged seat post, Bananna bags

[Frank Brose]

Don't be afraid to make an offer. Worst that can happen is I say no. 
Frank

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:41:04 PM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:

> I have the following for sale.
> Frost River Taconite Trail trunk bag and Sawbill trail handle bar bag I'd 
> like to sell together$165 net to me includes shipping. Like new condition. 
> read about them here: https://frostriver.com/collections/cycling-bike-bags
> Three Banana bags 2 Rivendell, 1 Duluth Trading 
> $55 net to me for the Riv bags
> $40 net to me for the Duluth trading. It's in the roughest shape. The Riv 
> bags are in good shape.
> Nitto Lugged seatpost 27.2 x 300 Light insertion marks not even visible 
> when on the bike. They would easily be buffed out with aluminum polish. 
> $125 net to me. Includes shipping. CONUS shipping only.
> [image: P1020495.JPG]
> [image: P1020496.JPG]
> [image: P1020500.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[Peter Adler]

If Bill's not interested in the modified BMX extractor, I am.

I have a Phil + ENO wheel that I've had for about a decade, having bought 
it off eBay figuring "what's the big deal? You just use a regular BMX 
extractor, get it off the hub, then move on with your life, right?". When 
the wheel arrived, I discovered that NOPE! that doesn't work. I couldn't 
figure any way to get the freewheel off without wrecking it, which seemed 
like a terrible waste. At the time, I emailed the Phil guys, who told me to 
bring the wheel down and they'd get the pricy-nice freewheel off without 
trashing it; I assume they've modified a BMX extractor (and probably other 
extractors as well) to remove miscellaneous freewheels installed on Phil 
hubs without sufficient attention paid to axle clearance. Unfortunately, I 
never made it down to San Jose before I gave up the car; now a Phil 
expedition would be a much bigger task.

And so my useful wheel and usable-by-somebody else freewheel have sat ever 
since, unused and taking up space.

I'd gladly buy the extractor and lend it to my neighbor Bill as needed. 
Alternately, he could buy it and lend it to me.

Peter Adler
in the town just south of Bill's place in El Cerrito, in
Berkeley, CA

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:59:38 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

I may be your man.  I have an 18T White ENO in my parts box that has had 
minimal use and I'm unlikely to ever use again.  I also have a BMX 
freewheel removal tool on which I had a machinist widen the center hole so 
it can fit over a PW hub's axle cap, if you're interested.

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[RBW] Re: Summer Riding in Alberta

[jaredwilson]

Yeah, Mack! 

Lovely video, I especially liked the alley footage, we spend lots of time 
meandering about alleyways foraging for fruit so that resonated.

Also nice to put a face to a penpal, here's to many more enjoyable miles 
this year, looking forward to the other seasonal updates :)

jared

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:00:27 AM UTC-7 J wrote:

> Good stuff Mack. Love to watch vids of someone just riding because they 
> love riding their bikes. There's an over abundance of racer vids and 
> talking head youtuber biker vids already. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi people,
>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I started 
>> watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would be 
>> fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
>> summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just perched 
>> my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides in 
>> the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I thought 
>> that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that the 
>> season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, my 
>> joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>> Vid's here . Hope you find 
>> it fun!
>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>> Mack 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Mike Godwin]

Man o Man, someone needs to pick up the Roadeo for 1300 bucks. Thats almost 
the cost of the parts!

Mike "1 Roadeo, but not my first goat rope" Godwin SLO CA

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:47:48 AM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Seller sent these pictures it looks like 60cm frame hopefully this helps 
> someone out there.
>
> Thanks,
> Vern
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 9:43 AM NR MR  wrote:
>
>> Is this a 57, or 60? Trying to find out what the minimum PBH is for this 
>> one.
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> It’s a nicely priced 60cm bike. 
>>>
>>> IMO, it’s the most desirable Sam: canti brakes and a single top tube. 
>>> Too bad it’s not closer. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Plain City OH
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot 2023-08-21 at 11.10.54 AM.png]

 I agree with Jonathan. My Hillborne is a verified 57cm from the same 
 production run and my headtube is significantly shorter than the one 
 pictured.  

 Customary lamentation for no drive-side picture. 

 On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:06:09 AM UTC-4 jonathan@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It looks bigger than a 57 to me though. 
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:24:10 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> That Hillborne seems very cheap for a complete bike. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> SAM HILLBORNE
>>> 57cm
>>> 1200
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/portola-valley-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7657012769.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

This is all very helpful. 55cm seems more versatile. I'm unlikely to put 
drop bars on it, but, still. If I can find a used bargain I'll try a 60, 
else I'll go for the 55. Really appreciate the kind and quality of feedback 
here.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:32:21 AM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Aside from the subjectivity of saddle height I would attempt to try 
> different sizes of bikes to see which feels better to you. I realize that's 
> next to impossible with a Rivendell but if you have bikes that fit you well 
> I think the knowledge can work laterally. I had a friend buy an Appaloosa 
> from Riv, went off of their sizing method/recommendation over the phone and 
> ended up with a bike they felt was too big. Fast forward years later, we 
> just visited the shop a month ago, they test rode an Appaloosa that was a 
> size smaller and strongly preferred it. We're all built differently and 
> even with experience it's difficult to tell how you feel about it before 
> you actually ride it. 
> Also they obviously know what they're doing & their sizing methods/bar & 
> stem recommendations have steered my wife right twice. Just wanted to relay 
> that story 'cos them bikes is expensive.
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:03:10 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Welcome, Matt! 
>> Saddle height is a bit subjective - but the heel on pedal method gets me 
>> in the ballpark.
>> If your PBH is 83cm I think a 60cm Platy might be cutting it close just 
>> due to saddle height - I feel I'm towards the lower end of the 60cm 
>> Platypus PBH range at 87cm PBH. I'm using a lower profile saddle (compared 
>> to something like a Brooks B17) and don't have a lot of seatpost showing, 
>> but I also run my saddle a bit lower than the PBH - 11cm guideline.
>>
>> Given that Grant has made a 64cm Clem fit him at 85cm 
>> , you 
>> could likely get a 60cm Platypus to fit but it may limit saddle, seatpost, 
>> stem, and bar options.
>>
>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, all! It seems more art than science. I usually cycle in sandals 
>>> (I refuse to call them flip flops), so I assume that grown-up shoes will 
>>> add some. Nice to be here.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 6:27:48 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Of the methods I've read about that is and older one (1960s?) and gives 
 a lower saddle than others; for me, a saddle quite a bit too low -- I did 
 use it myself long ago. Of course, all of these methods are simply 
 starting 
 points.

 To the OP: be sure to get your saddle fore-and-aft position in place 
 too as well as saddle height before making other measurements; and even 
 saddle tilt in addition to both the forgoing can affect preferred reach to 
 pedals.

 On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:20 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I heard somewhere a million years ago that you should be able to rest 
> your heel on the pedal with a straight leg. If you stretch it's too high, 
> if your knee is bent it's too low. Sounds ridiculous but it's never 
> failed 
> me. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:46:05 PM UTC-7 Matt wrote:
>
>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today 
>> about a Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self 
>> measured - pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently 
>> riding an ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so 
>> I'm 
>> not sure the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a 
>> real 
>> bicycle. Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>
>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next 
>> stock. 
>>
>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[NR MR]

Is this a 57, or 60? Trying to find out what the minimum PBH is for this 
one.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> It’s a nicely priced 60cm bike. 
>
> IMO, it’s the most desirable Sam: canti brakes and a single top tube. Too 
> bad it’s not closer. 
>
> Eric
> Plain City OH
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-21 at 11.10.54 AM.png]
>>
>> I agree with Jonathan. My Hillborne is a verified 57cm from the same 
>> production run and my headtube is significantly shorter than the one 
>> pictured.  
>>
>> Customary lamentation for no drive-side picture. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:06:09 AM UTC-4 jonathan@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks bigger than a 57 to me though. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:24:10 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That Hillborne seems very cheap for a complete bike. 

 On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> SAM HILLBORNE
> 57cm
> 1200
> San Francisco, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/portola-valley-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7657012769.html
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[RBW] Re: Summer Riding in Alberta

[J]

Good stuff Mack. Love to watch vids of someone just riding because they 
love riding their bikes. There's an over abundance of racer vids and 
talking head youtuber biker vids already. 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi people,
> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I started 
> watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would be 
> fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
> summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just perched 
> my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides in 
> the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I thought 
> that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that the 
> season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, my 
> joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
> Vid's here . Hope you find 
> it fun!
> Enjoy the rest of August,
> Mack 
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[RBW] Re: Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[George Schick]

I may be your man.  I have an 18T White ENO in my parts box that has had 
minimal use and I'm unlikely to ever use again.  I also have a BMX 
freewheel removal tool on which I had a machinist widen the center hole so 
it can fit over a PW hub's axle cap, if you're interested.
George


On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:11:28 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> You are sitting on one or more single speed freewheels.  You'd rather have 
> money than wait for a single speed project to develop.  I may be willing to 
> liberate what you've got.  
>
> I'd consider any size White Industries ENO freewheel.  My offer for a 
> White Industries ENO is $50 plus shipping.  
>
> A generic BMX-like freewheel would need to be compatible with a 3/32" 
> chain, and I would consider any size EXCEPT a 16.  My budget for a generic 
> BMX freewheel would be $10 plus shipping.  
>
> Let me know if you want my money!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Summer Riding in Alberta

[Mack Penner]

Hi people,
I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I started 
watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would be 
fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just perched 
my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides in 
the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I thought 
that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that the 
season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, my 
joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
Vid's here . Hope you find it 
fun!
Enjoy the rest of August,
Mack 

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[RBW] Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[Bill Lindsay]

You are sitting on one or more single speed freewheels.  You'd rather have 
money than wait for a single speed project to develop.  I may be willing to 
liberate what you've got.  

I'd consider any size White Industries ENO freewheel.  My offer for a White 
Industries ENO is $50 plus shipping.  

A generic BMX-like freewheel would need to be compatible with a 3/32" 
chain, and I would consider any size EXCEPT a 16.  My budget for a generic 
BMX freewheel would be $10 plus shipping.  

Let me know if you want my money!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Summer Cleaning - Brooks, Salsa, Acorn, Nitto, Thomson

[Michael Ullmer]

An update on what remains and a couple price drops:

1) Brooks B-17S - $75
--Bought from my LBS, Proofride applied, appears not to have been ridden. 
Was never used by us.

2) Timbuk2 Tool Roll - SOLD
--Some marks from use, functionally great. A friend gifted me a Soulrun 
Tool roll and this one needs to go.

3) Black Shimano FC-6206 170mm Cranks - $75
--These came on an old Trek MTB. Beautiful, a few marks in the black 
anodization. Rings 46-40-28. Comes with the original cup and cone BB

4) Salsa 1" 80mm Quill Stem 26.0 Clamp - $60
--A rare bird! A takeoff from a neighbors bike that I'm rehabbing. Shows 
signs of use, sticker is worn in parts.

5) Nitto Lamp Holder 2 -  SOLD
--Great shape, used to hold my Acorn bag.

6) Acorn Medium Handlebar Bag -  SOLD
--Great shape, no rips/tears. No signs of wear that I can see.

7) Shimano 600 27.2 Seatpost - $20
--Some scuffs from use.

8) Dura Ace QR Skewers -  SOLD
--Mismatched Dura Ace skewers (the font is SLIGHTLY different).

9) Thomson Elite 27.0 x 330 Black Seatpost -  SOLD pending payment
--Was in use on my partner's Bridgestone MB-3. Has its fair share of scuffs.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Lamp Holder and DA Skewers sold
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:14:37 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>>   A few items left over from a few builds and from the bin. Prices are 
>> net to me and don't include shipping. Will ship with Pirateship.
>>
>> 1) Brooks B-17S - $80
>> --Bought from my LBS, Proofride applied, appears not to have been ridden. 
>> Was never used by us.
>>
>> 2) Timbuk2 Tool Roll - $20
>> --Some marks from use, functionally great. A friend gifted me a Soulrun 
>> Tool roll and this one needs to go.
>>
>> 3) Black Shimano FC-6206 170mm Cranks - $75
>> --These came on an old Trek MTB. Beautiful, a few marks in the black 
>> anodization. Rings 46-40-28. Comes with the original cup and cone BB
>>
>> 4) Salsa 80mm Quill Stem 26.0 Clamp - $60
>> --A rare bird! A takeoff from a neighbors bike that I'm rehabbing. Shows 
>> signs of use, sticker is worn in parts.
>>
>> 5) Nitto Lamp Holder 2 - $50
>> --Great shape, used to hold my Acorn bag.
>>
>> 6) Acorn Medium Handlebar Bag - $70
>> --Great shape, no rips/tears. No signs of wear that I can see.
>>
>> 7) Shimano 600 27.2 Seatpost - $25
>> --Some scuffs from use.
>>
>> 8) Dura Ace QR Skewers - $40
>> --Mismatched Dura Ace skewers (the font is SLIGHTLY different).
>>
>> 9) Thomson Elite 27.0 x 330 Black Seatpost - $45
>> --Was in use on my partner's Bridgestone MB-3. Has its fair share of 
>> scuffs.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/X3mrChL4s7iwcxCK8
>>
>> PM off-list
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[exliontamer]

I read Eat Bacon and lost a bit of weight. I'm already relatively in shape 
for my age but have continued to use keto-ish methods when I want to lose a 
bit. As a lifelong diet/lifestyle thing, I'm skeptical, & I flat out don't 
see it working for vegetarians in a good way. If you already like meat, 
leafy greens, fatty things, etc. I think it's a great way to shed excess 
weight periodically. I've had friends with weight issues have borderline 
miraculous results that were life changing.

I just like food (especially noodles) too much to be dogmatic about diets. 
That said, one of my go to things that works on keto is a trad Cobb Salad. 
No alterations (aside from watercress/chicory which are next to impossible 
to find) and no store bought or creamy dressings. Just make your own 
vinaigrette. In the opposite realm I've been obsessed with Assassin's 
Spaghetti lately. You need a big pan but it's fun to make.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:02:46 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I expect that the modern biomedical sciences simply don't have the right 
> epistemological or conceptual apparatus (having in mind the scientific 
> parable of the fishing net: "what my net doesn't catch isn't fish") to 
> capture everything that constitutes true nutrition. I know that in 
> traditional Chinese cooking the attitude toward food and care with which it 
> is prepared is said to affect the effect of the food on the eater. I think 
> this involves the *chi* which I know does not belong to any physical 
> category (it's not "spiritual" but relates to the level of "vital force," 
> not reducing this to physical categories either). And other writers say 
> that it is the organic integrity of the soil that determines the nutritive 
> (again, not solely in terms of modern categories) value of food -- simply 
> shoving in nitrogen and other elements is not enough. (
> https://www.treehugger.com/who-invented-the-idea-of-organic-farming-and-organic-food-4862673,
>  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_James,_4th_Baron_Northbourne)
>
> I agree that Pollan's is a good rule of thumb.
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:26 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
>> It’s really bizarre to me that despite many impressive advancements in 
>> the biomedical sciences we still haven’t nailed down what constitutes the 
>> optimum human diet. I try to follow the well-known heuristic from Michael 
>> Pollan’s book “In Defense of Food” — “eat food, mostly plants, not too 
>> much.” (“Food” here is understood to be something that might have been 
>> recognizable to one’s great-grandparents, which is to say not synthesized 
>> in a lab somewhere.)
>>
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>
> -
>
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>
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>
>
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>
> *When thou didst not, savage,*
>
> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like*
>
> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes*
>
> *With words that made them known.*
>
> Shakespeare, Tempest, Act 1 Scene 2
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[exliontamer]

Aside from the subjectivity of saddle height I would attempt to try 
different sizes of bikes to see which feels better to you. I realize that's 
next to impossible with a Rivendell but if you have bikes that fit you well 
I think the knowledge can work laterally. I had a friend buy an Appaloosa 
from Riv, went off of their sizing method/recommendation over the phone and 
ended up with a bike they felt was too big. Fast forward years later, we 
just visited the shop a month ago, they test rode an Appaloosa that was a 
size smaller and strongly preferred it. We're all built differently and 
even with experience it's difficult to tell how you feel about it before 
you actually ride it. 
Also they obviously know what they're doing & their sizing methods/bar & 
stem recommendations have steered my wife right twice. Just wanted to relay 
that story 'cos them bikes is expensive.
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:03:10 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Welcome, Matt! 
> Saddle height is a bit subjective - but the heel on pedal method gets me 
> in the ballpark.
> If your PBH is 83cm I think a 60cm Platy might be cutting it close just 
> due to saddle height - I feel I'm towards the lower end of the 60cm 
> Platypus PBH range at 87cm PBH. I'm using a lower profile saddle (compared 
> to something like a Brooks B17) and don't have a lot of seatpost showing, 
> but I also run my saddle a bit lower than the PBH - 11cm guideline.
>
> Given that Grant has made a 64cm Clem fit him at 85cm 
> , you 
> could likely get a 60cm Platypus to fit but it may limit saddle, seatpost, 
> stem, and bar options.
>
> -Dave (near Boston)
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>
>> Thanks, all! It seems more art than science. I usually cycle in sandals 
>> (I refuse to call them flip flops), so I assume that grown-up shoes will 
>> add some. Nice to be here.
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 6:27:48 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Of the methods I've read about that is and older one (1960s?) and gives 
>>> a lower saddle than others; for me, a saddle quite a bit too low -- I did 
>>> use it myself long ago. Of course, all of these methods are simply starting 
>>> points.
>>>
>>> To the OP: be sure to get your saddle fore-and-aft position in place too 
>>> as well as saddle height before making other measurements; and even saddle 
>>> tilt in addition to both the forgoing can affect preferred reach to pedals.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:20 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I heard somewhere a million years ago that you should be able to rest 
 your heel on the pedal with a straight leg. If you stretch it's too high, 
 if your knee is bent it's too low. Sounds ridiculous but it's never failed 
 me. 



 On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:46:05 PM UTC-7 Matt wrote:

> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about 
> a Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured 
> - 
> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real 
> bicycle. 
> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>
> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next 
> stock. 
>
> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report // Île d'Oléron

[ascpgh]

John, thanks for getting the pictures to go with your vacation story. It 
was very rewarding to have imagined your surroundings and rides from your 
words and then compare them with your subsequent images, like oysters and 
wine.

Thanks for sharing your trip.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:18:05 AM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:

> Hmmm, okay, I warned you that I'm new at this! Let me try again... Do 
> these show up?
> [image: 20230811_203434.jpg]
> [image: 20230811_173157.jpg][image: 20230811_153741.jpg][image: 
> 20230811_115007.jpg][image: 20230811_114047.jpg][image: 
> 20230809_103159.jpg]
> cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:05:33 PM UTC+2 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> John, this sounds like my dream family vacation. Thanks for 
>> sharing/inspiring! I second Patrick's sentiments and request for a photo 
>> repost – I'd love to see them!
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:31:01 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> John: Welcome to the group and thanks for the vacation ride report. 
>>>
>>> Can you repost the photos? They did not show up and I expect it's 
>>> because the files are too big. But from your description they will be well 
>>> worth seeing.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 3:53 AM John Johnson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello everyone,

 I'm posting a ride report. It's my first and I hope this meets your 
 rigorous group standards for what a "ride" consists of. For me, a ride is 
 a 
 ride - short or long, intense or easy, fast or party pace. 

 Most of my rides these days are with my family (wife and 3 year old 
 son). I am reporting on our week of rides vacationing on the Island of 
 Oléron, of the coast of France (we live inland near Fontainebleau, so 
 Oléron is only a few hours' drive away). Oléron is the second largest 
 Island (after Corsica) in Metropolitan France. It's got a fairly mild 
 climate in winter and summer and the main industries (if you want to call 
 them that) are oyster farming, salt production, and wine growing. So, if 
 you like quiet beaches, bikes, white wine, and oysters, it's not the worst 
 place to spend your vacation. 

 We took our 2 Clems, a Burley Bee trailer, and our kid's bike on the 
 bike of the car and drive the 4 and half hours to get to the island, 
 sitting in traffic to get across the bridge until we finally made it to a 
 small BnB in the village of Dolus. We then parked the car and didn't touch 
 it for the rest of the week. All our trips around the island were by bike 
 and it is almost a perfect island for bike exploring on bike paths or 
 dedicated bike lanes (there's only a few places we found where you can't 
 avoid going onto a big main road with not shoulder). There are over 130 km 
 of dedicated bike paths on the 30x8km island.

 The weather was less than stellar the first day we arrived - it was 
 raining most of the drive to the island, and though the rain had stopped, 
 it was cold and dreary the first day. That first evening we rode down to 
 La 
 Chevalerie for an "Oyster festival" though, I think it was just an ad hoc 
 restaurant that one of the oyster farms set up for people vacationing on 
 the island. Either way, I had the best oysters I've ever had, really great 
 moules frites (which, we probably ate at least once a day while we were 
 there), and decent bottle of local Pineau. We shivered a bit sitting 
 outside with our meal, but once we were back on our bikes and riding 
 through the cold night air, it was extremely pleasant riding weather. 

 The rest of the week , it was warm, sunny and yeah, more/less perfect 
 for riding and swimming.

 Our rides consisted mostly of riding la Cotinière or St. Pierre 
 d'Oléron a few km away, or a slightly longer ride to St. Trojan les Bains 
 in the south (to ride the famous little train that's there) or go see Fort 
 Boyard from Boyardville. The routes to St Trojan or Boyardville go through 
 tons of oyster-beds, and it's nice rustic scenery to ride through. The 
 island is almost perfectly flat, so there's not much elevation to speak of 
 - most of our rides were meandering around, stopping to look at horses, 
 take photos, or check google maps again because we had gotten off track. 
 Most of the bike routes are gravel or paved, but a few of them went 
 through 
 small forest tracks and we found ourselves in a bit of mud the first 
 couple 
 nights riding back in the dark after dinner (Google maps has some fun 
 ideas 
 about bike routes - definitely can take you off the beaten path, sometimes 
 right into someone's garden, but always an adventure. After a few er, 
 um... 
 mistakes, we starting paying better attention to the bike path signs and 
 stuck to them a bit more closely). 

Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Patrick Moore]

I expect that the modern biomedical sciences simply don't have the right
epistemological or conceptual apparatus (having in mind the scientific
parable of the fishing net: "what my net doesn't catch isn't fish") to
capture everything that constitutes true nutrition. I know that in
traditional Chinese cooking the attitude toward food and care with which it
is prepared is said to affect the effect of the food on the eater. I think
this involves the *chi* which I know does not belong to any physical
category (it's not "spiritual" but relates to the level of "vital force,"
not reducing this to physical categories either). And other writers say
that it is the organic integrity of the soil that determines the nutritive
(again, not solely in terms of modern categories) value of food -- simply
shoving in nitrogen and other elements is not enough. (
https://www.treehugger.com/who-invented-the-idea-of-organic-farming-and-organic-food-4862673,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_James,_4th_Baron_Northbourne)

I agree that Pollan's is a good rule of thumb.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:26 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> It’s really bizarre to me that despite many impressive advancements in the
> biomedical sciences we still haven’t nailed down what constitutes the
> optimum human diet. I try to follow the well-known heuristic from Michael
> Pollan’s book “In Defense of Food” — “eat food, mostly plants, not too
> much.” (“Food” here is understood to be something that might have been
> recognizable to one’s great-grandparents, which is to say not synthesized
> in a lab somewhere.)
>
--
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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*Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like*

*A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes*

*With words that made them known.*

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