[RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Fanny bar bag, olive

[Joe Bernard]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6idpTbHRFyL8ydX8

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Purchased on one of these lists a while back, used twice. I'm again 
> reminded that I like most of my stuff in a large saddlebag which I already 
> own, I don't need this. You can try it! 
>
> $140 shipped
> Will post more pics (off the bike) soon 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
>
> [image: Screenshot_20231022_204846.jpg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Fanny bar bag, olive

[Joe Bernard]

Or make offer and whatnot and such as. 

Joe Bernard
joeremi62 gmail com

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6idpTbHRFyL8ydX8
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Purchased on one of these lists a while back, used twice. I'm again 
>> reminded that I like most of my stuff in a large saddlebag which I already 
>> own, I don't need this. You can try it! 
>>
>> $140 shipped
>> Will post more pics (off the bike) soon 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20231022_204846.jpg]
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Fanny bar bag, olive

[Joe Bernard]

$130 shipped 

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Or make offer and whatnot and such as. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6idpTbHRFyL8ydX8
>>
>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Purchased on one of these lists a while back, used twice. I'm again 
>>> reminded that I like most of my stuff in a large saddlebag which I already 
>>> own, I don't need this. You can try it! 
>>>
>>> $140 shipped
>>> Will post more pics (off the bike) soon 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20231022_204846.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Fanny bar bag, olive

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:49:38 AM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> $130 shipped 
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Or make offer and whatnot and such as. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6idpTbHRFyL8ydX8
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Purchased on one of these lists a while back, used twice. I'm again 
>>>> reminded that I like most of my stuff in a large saddlebag which I already 
>>>> own, I don't need this. You can try it! 
>>>>
>>>> $140 shipped
>>>> Will post more pics (off the bike) soon 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, 
>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screenshot_20231022_204846.jpg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Hoodie, MUSA Pants, Blue Lug Hat

[Joe Bernard]

What size are the pants? Also, are they long pants or knickers? 

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:01:32 AM UTC-7 Daniel Rooke wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm still cleaning things out and have a few more things for sale:
>
> 1 Bikes are Greater Hoodie sz. L - worn a little but too small for me - 
> $40 shipped
> 1 pair of older Grey Musa Pants - worn but in excellent shape - $65 Shipped
> 1 Ron's Bikes Japanese Linen Tulip Cap by BlueLug - worn twice - $40 
> shipped
>
> Or everything for $130 shipped
>
> Here are some Photos 
> 
>
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: The differences between the SunRace CSM-990 and the SunRace CSM-980 - 9 spd cassettes

[Joe Bernard]

My cursory search reveals that the 980 has a steel spider and and lockring 
vs. aluminum on the 990 and weighs 75 grams more. 

This was a difference I discovered when choosing an 11-50 11-speed a few 
years ago, in that case the fancier one also used an aluminum big ring. I 
believe all the cogs on the 9-speeds are steel. *

* SunRace has too many versions of the same cassette. It's confusing. 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:33:56 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I would like to know the differences between the SunRace CSM-990 and the 
> SunRace CSM-980 - 9 spd cassettes besides the same gear cog counts as being 
> 11-13-15-18-21-24-28-34-40T.
>
> Is the the material ?
>
> Which one is better made ? ..or would last longer ?
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel.
>

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Re: [RBW] Bluelug Visit to Rivendell (Video)

[Joe Bernard]

Roman was fascinating to watch, he communicated with his hands in a way 
that (I think) signifies he knows ASL. 

I love that Spencer's only Riv is the original Road he got in '95. If 
you've ever seen it you know it's the most beausaged Rivendell in 
existence, it's practically a work of art! I also love that he said in 
front of Grant that he mostly rides his 2-speed Brompton and it's his 
favorite bike 😂

Dig the Gallop. I want one. 

Joe Bernard 



On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 8:53:27 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

>
> I wish Grant had answered their questions about the two new frames on 
> camera. Will and the other fellow didn't seem to remember/know what was 
> going on in any detail.
> The Charlie looks like such I nice frame, the new lugs are beautiful and I 
> think I can put up with the sidepulls. It will probably be my next frame 
> purchase. I have time to save up the pennies too, I guess.
>
> The new Susie has it's swoop tube intersecting much higher on the seat 
> tube. This is good. Definitely the weak point of the frame design.
> I am glad that I have my OG Susie though. The light tubing makes it such a 
> great bike and I love the fillet brazing. Wouldn't change it for the world.
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Joe Bernard]

That poor Hunq looks like it got overclamped in a repair stand. Clamp the 
seatpost, people! 

The price is optimistic with the damage and visible rust but it probably 
rides fine. 

There's no 54cm Hunqapillar with 26-inch wheels, I'm not sure what size 
this frame is. 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:02:05 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> Anybody know more details about this Hunq: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7682361768.html?lang=fr&cc=ca
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the funds to 
>> pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that eventual build!
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust Trader. 
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
>>> Matt in STL
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
>>>> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, nor 
>>>>> seller known to me)
>>>>>
>>>>> $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 11:51:08 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally 
>>>>>> nice buyer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rosco Bubbe
>>>>>>>> 58cm
>>>>>>>> eBay auction
>>>>>>>> Lake Linden, MI
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Joe Bernard]

The Hunqapillar finally gets some decent photos. It's not encouraging..

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-hunqapillar/7682361768.html

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:44:15 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
> Roadini f/f/hs
> 61cm 
> $650
> eBay: Angwin, California 
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/145420923330
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-08 at 6.42.17 AM.png]
> Frank Jones Sr f/f/hs
> 49cm
> $1,750
> eBay: Racine, Wisconsin
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/386262248039
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:16:40 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> There's also a good deal ($1K) on a 60 well used Sam on the new radavist 
>> bazaar: 
>> https://radbazaar.theradavist.com/listing/6UtpNT2y4m2uFuoKQUjo?category=undefined&subcategory=undefined
>>
>> No association with the seller.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell Roadini - $1,500 (Ellensburg) 
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/ellensburg-rivendell-roadini/7676911394.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel... no interest in purchase. 
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:02:30 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ooops. Sorry - obviously, I skipped over the past few additions to the 
>>>> thread.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-7 Stephen Durfee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @dylanthomasgreen, here's your 54 
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-hunqapillar/7682361768.html
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:06:34 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> just like the last hunq, this is a 52. I’ve been on the hunt 
>>>>>> For a 54 for the last year…so it continues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 5:21 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <0_ccmrPRcSB2W_0CI0t2_600x450-1.jpg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's too bad to see an uncommon Riv frame that was rippled and 
>>>>>> dimpled by one owner and left outside *over winter* by the next. 
>>>>>> Perhaps with the damage there's some more room to negotiate the price. 
>>>>>> It 
>>>>>> would be nice if a new owner could resurrect it. But I'm worried it's 
>>>>>> worse 
>>>>>> than it looks given the current owner's lack of bicycle savvy (bad pics, 
>>>>>> missing important pics, incorrect wheel size). 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK Bernie Mikkelson does repair work for Rivendell (when he can 
>>>>>> get to it) and if this frame has been inspected and evaluated by him 
>>>>>> that 
>>>>>> would give me some degree of confidence. Even more if I could call him 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> he remembered the frame. 
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That poor Hunq looks like it got overclamped in a repair stand. 
>>>>>>> Clamp the seatpost, people! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The price is optimistic with the damage and visible rust but it 
>>>>>>> probably rides fine. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no 54cm Hunqapillar with 26-inch wheels, I'm not sure what 
>>>>>>> size this frame is. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:02:05 PM UTC-7 
>>>>>>> h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anybody know more details about this Hunq: 
>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7682361768.html?lang=fr&cc=ca
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the 
>>>>>>>>> funds to pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that 
>>>>>>>>> eventual build!
>>>>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Joe Bernard]

What size is her Clem? The current 52 is VERY long, this puts weight wy 
out there when she's moving it around and lifting. 

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 8:21:50 AM UTC-8 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
> setup to make it more zippy?
>
> Best,
> Chung
>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Her Platys have the same 53cm chainstays as my custom, and my ETT of 63 
compares to the Platy 61.5. Add 700c wheels on hers vs. 650b on mine and 
it's a wash, we own long bikes! 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:21:47 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> While we're at it, it would be fun I think for you to consider what's the 
> wheelbase of Joe Bernard's custom.  
>
> #SWBST
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:20:38 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
>> include the following:
>>
>> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
>> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
>> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
>> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
>> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Joe Bernard]

"Some won’t like to hear this, but honestly, it’s the truth."

Whether some want to hear it or not, honestly, it's an opinion. 

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:35:56 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:

> What’s your wife wanting out of the bike? If it’s aesthetics, and 
> specifically to steel/lugged frames, Riv is great. 
>
> But if it’s ride quality, I’m not so disillusioned with Rivendell (despite 
> having owned several and own one now)that I can objectively say, there are 
> plenty of other bikes that will serve her equally well, IF NOT BETTER. Even 
> ones from the big companies. Light and nimble, or smooth and cushy, upright 
> or racy, or really any characteristic you like about any Rivendell can be 
> replicated and/or improved on. 
> Some won’t like to hear this, but honestly, it’s the truth. 
> I’m still a Rivendell fan and still on the lookout for an elusive model 
> that I hope to own (again). Just don’t be afraid to try other bikes out. 
> There are lots of great ones out there. And in places you may not expect. 
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:37:48 PM UTC-7 chungeu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much for all the responses!
>>
>> Since we are living not too far from the Riv HQ, we may visit and see if 
>> how she likes the Platy.
>> She rides 45cm Clem, so we may need to check if her PBH fits 50cm Platy. 
>> If that goes well, we may stick with Riv. Otherwise, I will take a look 
>> outside and check out other brands.
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 9:38:30 PM UTC+1 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wheels & tires I suspect.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Jake,
>>>
>>> That is interesting that the bikes are about equal in weight but one 
>>> rides "zippier and lighter". I've heard this before in comparing the Clem 
>>> to the Platypus but I just don't know what qualities makes a bike feel 
>>> zippier if it isn't lighter weight.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I agree with what Garth is saying about weight/size differences. 
 Depending on the respective builds and how the sizing falls, it's possible 
 that a Platypus could be every bit as long and heavy as a Clem. As people 
 in the 81-84cm pbh range, I have a 55cm Platypus and my dad has a 52cm 
 Clem, and the Clem is probably lighter in part due to the smaller wheel 
 size. Both are great bikes, and I do find the Platypus rides zippier and 
 lighter, but in terms of lifting, transport, and storage there is not much 
 difference between the two. Hope this helps!

 Jake

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:06:09 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Chung, If your wife finds the Clem too long and heavy a Platypus is 
> not going to make a effective difference in regards to weight or 
> maneuvering. What would is a frame like a Soma Buena Vista (rim brake or 
> disc) or Velo Orange Polyvalent low kicker. Both have relatively typical 
> chainstays and wheelbases and are going to be easier to pick up and 
> maneuver simply due to the fact that they have "normal" wheelbases and 
> chainstays so are going to be inherently lighter to begin with. There's a 
> notable difference in geometry though, with the VO being more low trail 
> and 
> the Soma mid-high. Plus the Soma has quite steep seat tube angles so if 
> using a Brooks you may not be able to get the seat back where you want. 
> Thankfully they do both use a 27.2 post though. 
>
> Note, the Platy isn't a step through either so all three compared to a 
> Clem are more like step around I suppose ! 
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578fd48f3a30004789cd9,5ee8f7ce7eaeb8001717ac2f
> ,
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
> I don’t know about the Platypus, but my wife rides a Betty Foy. It 
> rides ligh/zippy  and she loves it. Currently has a Wald 137 front basket 
> and a Riv trunk bag. 
> They’re a bit hard to come by but Cheviot was essentially the same 
> bike. 
>
> Tires are 650b x 38 with fenders. Not sure I’d go larger. 
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:21:50 AM UTC-7 chungeu...wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so 
> far.
> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some 
> cockpit 
> setup to make it more zippy?
>
> Best,
> Ch

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Go ride it, Sarah! I'm the same height as y'all and I rode the first 50cm 
prototype, it felt great. 

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 7:01:01 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey RivSister, want me to got test ride the 50 for you? I know we both 
> like an oversize frame so this could be an interesting experiment for both 
> of us
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 6:55:49 AM UTC-8 Howard Hatten wrote:
>
>> Since you already own a few step thru-step over rivs maybe you might want 
>> to consider adding a Sam Hillborne to the stable. You never know, someday 
>> you might want to try a drop bar cockpit on your group ride machine. Your 
>> chariot would be waiting. 
>>
>> Howard
>> Livonia Mi
>>
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:16:07 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>>> bikes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
 not. I’ve done crazier things. 

 Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
 range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
 have 
 them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
 buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my 
 bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
 can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
 some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
 that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

 Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
 Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a 
 real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a 
 girl can have.
 Leah

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Joe Bernard]

Locked up hard and put away wet, San Francisco style! 

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:42:33 AM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:02:06 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 52cm CLEM "L"
>
> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with so 
> many scratches. YIKES !
>
>  
> Take a close look at Grant's Clem and Appaloosa on the staff bike pages.  
> ;-)
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah it's the seller description that annoys me, I don't appreciate being 
told my eyes don't see what I'm clearly seeing. This happens a lot on 
Craigslist. 



On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:26:10 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> That's some harsh beausage or what the owner calls "regular scuffs". YMMV 
> I guess.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> 52cm CLEM "L"
>>
>> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with so 
>> many scratches. YIKES !
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
 Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 150 
 bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!


 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:

> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>>
>> Clem H
>> 52cm
>> $741
>> New Jersey
>> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your bike 
will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak to 
> pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can someone 
> confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train without 
> boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your Platycisions Leah! 
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
>> number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
>> folder!
>> Great for train travel.
>> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
>> Great for conversation starter.
>> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>>> bikes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
 not. I’ve done crazier things. 

 Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
 range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
 have 
 them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
 buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my 
 bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
 can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
 some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
 that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

 Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
 Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a 
 real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a 
 girl can have.
 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Lime Olive 50 cm Platypus frame

[Joe Bernard]

"And no, I’m not selling my 55 Platys. I just need more sizes! And colors. 
Whatever. Don’t judge."

I'm so judging. Judgey McJudgeface from Judgerstan 🧐🙃

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:07:59 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> And no, I’m not selling my 55 Platys. I just need more sizes! And colors. 
> Whatever. Don’t judge.
>
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and technically we 
have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if you've got stuff 
and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on there..it's on 
there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the bikes store 
vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's going to work. 

Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my custom" 
Bernard 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
> Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
> but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
> that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard bike 
> (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
> you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
> if anyone has had issues.
>
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the Amtrak 
>> line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, in a 
>> box. 
>>
>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in southern 
>> Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this line there 
>> is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike lockers 
>> available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel must be 
>> removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to lash the 
>> frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and damaging the 
>> frame’s finish.
>>
>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
>> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
>> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
>> 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>>
>> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your 
>>> bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak 
>>>> to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can 
>>>> someone confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train 
>>>> without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your 
>>>> Platycisions Leah! 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
>>>>> number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
>>>>> folder!
>>>>> Great for train travel.
>>>>> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
>>>>> Great for conversation starter.
>>>>> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Edwin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH 
>>>>>> would not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some 
>>>>>> models 
>>>>>> are equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They 
>>>>>> come with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of 
>>>>>> course, they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel 
>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>> and you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with 
>>>>>> carry-on bikes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But 
>>>>>>> maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any over-52cm 
Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry on 
>> (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 50 
>> Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if she 
>> brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
>> summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they might 
>> say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.
>>
>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, but 
>> there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car and try 
>> to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang it.   I 
>> don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who does 
>> alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
>> Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
>> bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it on a 
>> bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a bike 
>> with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts of 
>> the country, the bus racks are longer?
>>
>> So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For me, 
>> right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the adventures 
>> I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the other direction.
>>
>> Roberta  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and technically 
>>> we have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if you've got 
>>> stuff and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on there..it's 
>>> on there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the bikes store 
>>> vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's going to work. 
>>>
>>> Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my custom" 
>>> Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
>>>> Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
>>>> but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
>>>> that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard 
>>>> bike 
>>>> (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
>>>> you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
>>>> if anyone has had issues.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the 
>>>>> Amtrak line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, 
>>>>> in a box. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in 
>>>>> southern Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this 
>>>>> line there is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike 
>>>>> lockers available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel 
>>>>> must be removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to 
>>>>> lash 
>>>>> the frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and 
>>>>> damaging 
>>>>> the frame’s finish.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
>>>>> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
>>>>> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
>>>>&

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

I'm ok with it! 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
>> monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
>> mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
>> to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any over-52cm 
>> Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry on 
>>>> (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 50 
>>>> Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if she 
>>>> brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
>>>> summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they 
>>>> might 
>>>> say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.
>>>>
>>>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, 
>>>> but there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car and 
>>>> try to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang it.  
>>>>  
>>>> I don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who does 
>>>> alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
>>>> Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
>>>> bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it on 
>>>> a 
>>>> bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a bike 
>>>> with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts of 
>>>> the country, the bus racks are longer?
>>>>
>>>> So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For me, 
>>>> right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the adventures 
>>>> I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the other direction.
>>>>
>>>> Roberta  
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and 
>>>>> technically we have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if 
>>>>> you've got stuff and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on 
>>>>> there..it's on there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the 
>>>>> bikes store vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's 
>>>>> going to work. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my 
>>>>> custom" Bernard 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? 
>>>>>> The Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine 
>>>>>> print, but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger 
>>>>>> than that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a 
>>>>>> standard 
>>>>>> bike (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. 
>>>>>> Obviously you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but 
>>>>>> I'm curious if anyone has had issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the 
>>>>>>> Amtrak line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for 
>>>>>>> checked, 
>>>>>>> in a box. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I occasionally bring a b

[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

It's not my jam these days but it IS pretty, it reminds me of early-'90s 
Bridgestones. 

But I'm not one to ask, my former "bright/loud colors are awesome" self has 
recently morphed into a lover of the Universal Grant Colors: various shades 
of blue and green. What's become of me?? 💙💚

Joe "things have changed" Bernard 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
> Thoughts? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

Also for the record, it's Ana. One N. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's not my jam these days but it IS pretty, it reminds me of early-'90s 
> Bridgestones. 
>
> But I'm not one to ask, my former "bright/loud colors are awesome" self 
> has recently morphed into a lover of the Universal Grant Colors: various 
> shades of blue and green. What's become of me?? 💙💚
>
> Joe "things have changed" Bernard 
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

All those colorful parts from your Clem on an Ana Purple frame?? Dooo iiit 
💜🧡❤️💛💗

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 11:04:10 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Ryan, I KNOW. I’m starting to think the same thing. I can sell my Clem, 
> which is just not as loved as my Platypuses, and nearly all the parts 
> should transfer. And if I did, I would deck it out in hyper color. It’s 
> PURPLE. You can have fun with it, right? 
>
> “Which accent colors?”
> ALL of them.
> Leah
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:42:13 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>>
>> I remember that article. Gotta admit the Ana purple
>> Is growing on me. Maybe Leah should snatch that 50
>> Platypus 
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:21:41 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I'm OK with purple, I had a '93 XO-2 in a dark metallic purple. Grant 
>>> had a bit in the '91 catalog about colors (a Note About Color) 
>>> 
>>>  from 
>>> a time when anything NOT a dayglo color was a negative point against a bike 
>>> model. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am 
 on the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or 
 not. I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the 
 purple is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in 
 person. Thoughts? 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

In defense of Sheldon he merely referred to the frames as Lady's Bikes, 
which was how they were promoted in bike catalogues for many decades. I 
think he was just using the nomenclature he grew up with and thought 
readers would know them by. I'm 61 and still have that reference in my head 
but know we don't use that term anymore as it's rather silly. I imagine 
many folks half my age have no knowledge of it. 

Joe "it doesn't have a gender, it's a toptube placed here or there" Bernard 

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:58:46 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill Lindsay, I was just catching up with this thread (always interested 
> in anything Platypus related!) and I have to interject; That is one pur-tee 
> Legolas. Looks like a shade of periwinkle on my MacBook.  
>
> More on topic - before purchasing a Platy I was thinking about a purple 
> Charlie Gallop - picturing it dressed out with black Honjo fenders and 
> black components. I was leaning for a bad boy vibe.When the final 
> Charlie protos dropped the swoopy top tube I snatched up a 2022 mermaid 
> Platy frame still in the box. Nothing bad boy there - but it is a sweet 
> ride and it has the sleek filet brazed middle stays.  And, BTW, Sheldon 
> Brown was wrong - a mixtie is NOT just a "ladies bike".
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_m.html#mixte 
>
> Steve
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> All those colorful parts from your Clem on an Ana Purple frame?? Dooo 
>> iiit 💜🧡❤️💛💗
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 11:04:10 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan, I KNOW. I’m starting to think the same thing. I can sell my Clem, 
>>> which is just not as loved as my Platypuses, and nearly all the parts 
>>> should transfer. And if I did, I would deck it out in hyper color. It’s 
>>> PURPLE. You can have fun with it, right? 
>>>
>>> “Which accent colors?”
>>> ALL of them.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:42:13 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I remember that article. Gotta admit the Ana purple
>>>> Is growing on me. Maybe Leah should snatch that 50
>>>> Platypus 
>>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:21:41 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm OK with purple, I had a '93 XO-2 in a dark metallic purple. Grant 
>>>>> had a bit in the '91 catalog about colors (a Note About Color) 
>>>>> <https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-17.htm>
>>>>>  from 
>>>>> a time when anything NOT a dayglo color was a negative point against a 
>>>>> bike 
>>>>> model. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy Cheatham
>>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am 
>>>>>> on the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it 
>>>>>> or 
>>>>>> not. I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the 
>>>>>> purple is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> person. Thoughts? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

gt;>> spring holders. Black leather saddle/grips with hints of brass here and 
>>> there. Make a palette of complementary-ish colors and choose mismatched 
>>> Nissen cable housing to match. Lots of little details like Forager cable 
>>> cherries or fun bar tape in-line with the intentionally designed palette.
>>>
>>> You get the jist, my designer brain will go to town on this one. Thanks 
>>> for reading. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:58:46 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay, I was just catching up with this thread (always interested 
>>>> in anything Platypus related!) and I have to interject; That is one 
>>>> pur-tee 
>>>> Legolas. Looks like a shade of periwinkle on my MacBook.  
>>>>
>>>> More on topic - before purchasing a Platy I was thinking about a purple 
>>>> Charlie Gallop - picturing it dressed out with black Honjo fenders and 
>>>> black components. I was leaning for a bad boy vibe.When the final 
>>>> Charlie protos dropped the swoopy top tube I snatched up a 2022 mermaid 
>>>> Platy frame still in the box. Nothing bad boy there - but it is a sweet 
>>>> ride and it has the sleek filet brazed middle stays.  And, BTW, Sheldon 
>>>> Brown was wrong - a mixtie is NOT just a "ladies bike".
>>>>
>>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_m.html#mixte 
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>> All those colorful parts from your Clem on an Ana Purple frame?? Dooo 
>>>>> iiit 💜🧡❤️💛💗
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 11:04:10 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Ryan, I KNOW. I’m starting to think the same thing. I can sell my Clem, 
>>>>>> which is just not as loved as my Platypuses, and nearly all the parts 
>>>>>> should transfer. And if I did, I would deck it out in hyper color. It’s 
>>>>>> PURPLE. You can have fun with it, right? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Which accent colors?”
>>>>>> ALL of them.
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:42:13 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember that article. Gotta admit the Ana purple
>>>>>>> Is growing on me. Maybe Leah should snatch that 50
>>>>>>> Platypus 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:21:41 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm OK with purple, I had a '93 XO-2 in a dark metallic purple. Grant 
>>>>>>>> had a bit in the '91 catalog about colors (a Note About Color) 
>>>>>>>> <https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-17.htm>
>>>>>>>>  from 
>>>>>>>> a time when anything NOT a dayglo color was a negative point against a 
>>>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>>>> model. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andy Cheatham
>>>>>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally 
>>>>>>>>> am on the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would 
>>>>>>>>> like it 
>>>>>>>>> or not. I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors 
>>>>>>>>> but the 
>>>>>>>>> purple is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks 
>>>>>>>>> great in 
>>>>>>>>> person. Thoughts? 
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

Yes I do believe your plan will work. Billies are nice but reach way back 
there, I think a 13cm stem and Albas will be the business on your new 
Platypus. Albatross would probably work without a stem change on your 55 as 
well. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:34:50 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Not with a long stem, and albatross bars it won’t. I have Billie bars and 
> a 10 cm stem on my 55 and I wish for a tiny bit more reach. But I can’t 
> have it unless I ditch my extra tall stem and they don’t make it any longer 
> than 10 cm. So I have the saddle pushed back. The smaller Platy will fit on 
> public transportation and is technically in my PBH range. You remembered 
> right!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 19, 2023, at 10:30 PM, J  wrote:
>
> Someone may have mentioned this already, but didn't Leah have issues with 
> not being able to get her seat back far enough to get reach and hand 
> position comfy on her current size 55 Platypus? Maybe I'm remembering 
> wrong,  but it seems a size 50 will amplify that same issue? 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 5:19:54 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Dang, that really is pretty ain't it? I thought I wasn't into 
>> purple..I've changed my mind! 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:15:53 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can view BlueLug's own studio photography of the ana purple platypus 
>>> frame here for another take: 
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-platypus-frame-set-ana-purple.html 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> You will likely need to swap out the stem but other than that most 
>>>> should cross right over. Hold on to the Clem frame until you are positive 
>>>> that the 50cm will work for you and there is little risk. If it works sell 
>>>> the Clem and if it doesn't sell the Platy frame. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am seriously thinking of an Ana Purple Platy in the 50 cm size. I 
>>>>> love my 55s but they are too big to take on planes and trains. I would 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> chosen the Sergio Green but I have mermaid already and I like it better. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> don’t want two similar colors in my trio. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I was looking at purple Riv images yesterday and saw this one:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> This leads me to believe the purple has a little more personality that 
>>>>> what most of the photos show. And, I do know Ana and she has said her 
>>>>> bike 
>>>>> shines magenta in sunlight.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I do this, the parts from my wild Clem will get thrown onto this 
>>>>> purple frame. And it will either be my best idea or a spectacular 
>>>>> failure. 
>>>>>
>>>>> What I know it will be is this: a real riot of color.
>>>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Leah
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 10:00 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have ordered an Ana Purple Platypus Complete in the latest presale. 
>>>>> I have many opinions on the color. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First, if you want safe, the Sergio green was there for the taking. 
>>>>> Classic, timeless, classy, non-offensive, gender-neutral, and provides a 
>>>>> neutral base color to accessorize with. Brown vs black saddle/grips? Both 
>>>>> will work equally well. The metallic flake does not hurt either. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Now down to the purple. I have mentioned previously here that I find 
>>>>> the purple to be a bit flat and too saturated. These are my observations 
>>>>> after viewing an embarrassing (not really, we're all bike nerds here) 
>>>>> amount of photographs of Ana Purple rivs. Purple, is an incredibly 
>>>>> dynamic 
>>>>> color, given it can find many different shades as you add more red or 
>>>>> blue 
>>>>> to it (adjacent colors on the color wheel). Ana Purple seems to be smack 
>>>>> dab a 50/50 blend of blue and red, which, in my opinion, is *so-so* 
>>>>

[RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts – offload yours on me or talk me out of it?!

[Joe Bernard]

I believe Large in this instance means 56cm, they seem open to shipping. 
They're not coming up very often s...

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-large-gold-rivendell/7689088638.html

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 9:06:25 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

> Thinking of getting a fatter-tired bike going for casual Zone 2 sorties 
> and quiet trail riding. (Mainly need a frame as an excuse to use my idle 
> Bullmoose bars... so it goes.) 
>
> If you have a Susie, what's your experience been like? Would you recommend 
> it and for what? Should I try to find a 56 cm Susie (Riv is out of stock), 
> or should I get something else?.. Should I get something custom made 
> that'll be lighter?.. 
>
> - Max "idle lunchtime thoughts on this cool November day while not wanting 
> to do any work nor organize my already overflowing bike room" in MI 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Legolas is now a 2x10

[Joe Bernard]

I don't understand the mechanics of the issue even after Bill explained it 
cuz I'm not smart enough, but I can vouch for a 1x SRAM derailer being a 
little weird for a double. My Riv Custom has a SRAM Rival 1 with a clutch 
and 11-50 11-speed cassette. Started with a 34t chainring, I recently added 
a 26t inner and a front derailer. It took some fiddling with chain length 
and B Screw adjustment to get the RD to track all the cogs in both front 
gears; it works now but the front shift is kinda stiff and sometimes it 
doesn't take, like the RD is fighting the action. 

It works for me cuz I had these parts on hand and made them do a thing I 
wanted to do, but I can't recommend it. Double (and triple) drivetrains 
should have rear derailers built for them. 

Joe Bernard 
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:58:59 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> [image: 
> version=1&uuid=C9AB907A-2953-4028-B770-33A8C4891242&mode=compatible&noloc=0.png]
>
> I'm not sure I understand the issue. 
>
> One of my bikes, a race bike circa 1985, is equipped with a new 10-speed 
> Campagnolo Centaur RD, a 7-speed IRD freewheel and new Shimano indexed 7/8 
> speed DT levers. Front is IRD Defiant crankset with TA Zephyr @ 46 / 30. 
> The only little hack was replacing the derailer's limit screw with a longer 
> one to prohibit 'over-shifting'—for want of a better word. Though I manage 
> friction-shifting quite comfortably, I've grown to embrace 'click' mostly 
> because why not? The system works perfectly.
>
> Full disclosure, my other bikes are all 9-speed with Dura Ace dt levers 
> and Shimano RDs
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 7:10 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> The Force 1x rear Der handled things well in this setup, but I would say 
>> this is around the limits.  The way these 1x derailleurs maintain the right 
>> gap to the cassette is there's a big offset from the pivot to the upper 
>> jockey wheel.  It's less about parallelogram tilt.  So the path the upper 
>> jockey takes is a lot different between big ring and small ring, so in 
>> setup, there are compromises.  I think a triple could work, provide the 
>> spread is not a lot bigger than the 14t jump I'm running now.  I think some 
>> wide spread triple like a 48/36/24 would probably be really tough to set 
>> up.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Nice! How does that SRAM Force 1x rear der work on that set up? Wondered 
>>> why one couldn't use it on a double or triple. Nice to know that it still 
>>> works on 10 speed. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 4:08:37 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I initially built up my Legolas, I built it to be what it is: a 
>>>> cyclocross race bike.  As such I had it set up as a 1x10.  Most of my 
>>>> winter riding is Wandring, and Wandring in the east bay is freaking 
>>>> strenuous.  I decided that my Wandrer career is ahead of me and my 
>>>> cyclocross race career is behind me, so I conceded and set up the Legolas 
>>>> as the 2x10 that I had designed it to be capable of.  
>>>>
>>>> Today was my first Wandr on the new 2x drivetrain in Orinda.  It was 
>>>> only an 18 mile ride but had nearly 3000 feet of climbing.  Did I mention 
>>>> Wandring can be strenuous?  
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, pics prove it.  My new 2x crankset is a White Industries VBC, 
>>>> with 42/28 rings.  Shimano CX70 front Der, and a Shimano friction barcon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53352040904/in/album-72157665762529407/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53351721801/in/album-72157665762529407/
>>>>
>>>> Happy Thanksgiving to all y'all.  I earned my dinner!
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[Joe Bernard]

The difference would be tubing. Hillborne is a "country bike" not intended 
to carry touring loads or bomb around on gnarly trails. Atlantis (that's 
one the I owned) is a beefy frame which will take just about anything you 
can throw at it. 

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-8 brycel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> If you compare the two bikes on bike insights, they're almost identical 
> except the new Sams have more stack.
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
>> bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
>> differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
>> 60 Hillborne. Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Joe Bernard]

They have them in completes which is a pretty good deal. I imagine they 
sell better than the framesets. 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am thinking they either didn't get any frame stock in those sizes or 
> they got a comically low amount because those are the only sizes that sold 
> out and it was pretty much immediately. But the 52 is a popular size so I 
> am shocked they didn't get more stock of that.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:28:09 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Kim,
>> It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and 
>> forest green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame 
>>> today from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors got 
>>> sold out quickly. 
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: son hub sales anywhere?

[Joe Bernard]

SON and Rohloff hub sales are basically "I can afford these parts or I get 
SP dyno and Shimano Alfine." 😬

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> Yes, and if you buy the SON and lights from Peter, they are under 
> warranty, whereas I don't think they are under warranty from a European 
> purchase.
>
> Toshi 
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:19 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Don't forget about Peter White.  Also:  not to be argumentative, because 
>> I'm always on the lookout for sales and deals myself, but I think it might  
>> be an unrealisic expectation in this case.  If you want the best, you 
>> usually pay what it's worth.  In the case of anything that Petrr sells, I 
>> usually realize it's a bargain after researching and shopping and comparing 
>> enough.  I honestly don't know how a small, real, bike shop like his can 
>> offer the things he offers at such good prices.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7 Sean, PNW wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't checked in a year or so, but the last few SON hubs I purchased 
>>> were all from European mail order sites (SJS/Bike24/Condor/Berthoud/etc) 
>>> and were significantly cheaper as a result of favorable exchange rates and 
>>> no VAT, despite the shipping cost.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:22:15 AM UTC-8 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 hi pals, I'm considering buying a widebody 32h son hub in the near 
 future. just checking if anyone's seen them pop up on any of the consumer 
 bacchanalia sales over the weekend :)

 Brent "always asks Bacchus for a discount" in chicago

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Joe Bernard]

Did someone say PIE??! 🥧

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told 
> me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since 
> I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see 
> how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x 
> 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel 
> my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
>> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>
>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
>> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
>> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
>> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
>> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
>> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
>> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
 than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:

 - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
 - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
 - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
 medium and small cogs and back. 

 Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
 gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 

 Eric 
 Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 


 On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
 wrote:

> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
> thing?
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to 
>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high 
>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>> more 
>> rings up there. 
>>
>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 
>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 
>> 24-25 
>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
>> run 
>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>> situations 
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' 
>>> if 
>>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when 
>>> I 
>>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the 
>>> rear 
>>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... 
>>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>>
>>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 
>>> 50x34 combos became all the rage. Th

[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Joe Bernard]

 "Probably too much of a pain to deal with."

Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the 
introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring 
bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As a 
many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a pain 
in the patooty. 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:

> Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino AT 
> cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the 
> upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell 
> didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain 
> to deal with. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis  
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at Roman's 
>> Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, so I 
>> always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>>
>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
>>  Looks pretty cool!
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Joe Bernard]

t more work to change a chainring if you are doing 
>>>> things right*, and substantially harder if you are doing things some other 
>>>> way.  I think it's a logical and good thing that Rivendell designed Silver 
>>>> cranks with a normal 5-arm setup.  
>>>>
>>>> That said, it works out great for me that so many people seem to have 
>>>> such a hard time with hidden bolt cranks, because I've never had a problem 
>>>> with it, and your shared struggles has got to help drive the price down 
>>>> for 
>>>> me.  Walking around my garage, there are four bikes with hidden arm 
>>>> Ritcheys, three with hidden arm Sugino, and two with hidden arm Campy.  If 
>>>> there are any of you out there at your wits-end about it and want to ship 
>>>> me your unwanted 172.5mm cranks, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I should do a YouTube to show how to deal with it the right* 
>>>> way?  That would probably be pointless because in general it seems that 
>>>> those who have made up their minds that they are terrible seem to have 
>>>> their minds completely made up.  
>>>>
>>>> There is no question that the hidden arm does not make it EASIER to 
>>>> replace a chainring.  It makes it a tiny bit harder.  I'd put it on par 
>>>> with tying my shoes.  My BOA shoes are the easiest to install onto my feet 
>>>> and extract from my feet.  Lace-up shoes are harder to install and harder 
>>>> to extract than BOA shoes.  That's a fact.  Still, I know how to tie my 
>>>> shoes, and I do include lace-up shoes in my closet.  I imagine it would be 
>>>> logical to boycott lace-up shoes and label shoelaces as the worst thing 
>>>> ever, and limit oneself to strictly BOA shoes (and slip-ons).  That would 
>>>> be a principled stance.  From my perspective, it's a baby and bathwater 
>>>> situation.  
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that there are three reasons Rivendell designed the Silver 
>>>> cranks with normal 5-arms:
>>>>
>>>> 1. their customers vocally complain about the hidden arm
>>>> 2. there is no performance benefit to the hidden arm
>>>> 3. the post-forging machining steps are more complicated and costly 
>>>> with the hidden arm
>>>>
>>>> There's no reason to make an already expensive product even more 
>>>> expensive by adding a valueless feature that your customers will bellyache 
>>>> about.  
>>>>
>>>> I've got guesses at how and why people struggle with the hidden arm, 
>>>> and it's probably a combination of 4 things.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> *by right, I mean the way that was obvious and self-evident when I 
>>>> first ran across them in the late 1980s, but it seems what was obvious and 
>>>> self evident to me is not universal.  
>>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:27:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  "Probably too much of a pain to deal with."
>>>>>
>>>>> Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the 
>>>>> introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring 
>>>>> bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a 
>>>>> pain 
>>>>> in the patooty. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino 
>>>>>> AT cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the 
>>>>>> upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that 
>>>>>> Rivendell 
>>>>>> didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a 
>>>>>> pain 
>>>>>> to deal with. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reginald Alexis  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at 
>>>>>>> Roman's Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same 
>>>>>>> time, 
>>>>>>> so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 
>>>>>>> crankset.  Looks pretty cool!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Joe Bernard]

My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 

On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs ride 
> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. On 
> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% grade, 
> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in the 
> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you can 
> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>
>> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local list 
>> members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding on these 
>> roads.  
>>
>> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, with 
>> what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for dirt), 
>> and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or even a 28 
>> may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But as mentioned 
>> already, only you know what works for you.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Joe Bernard]

Nifty parts, too. Drillium brake levers and chainrings! 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 6:35:49 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Ahmed,
> That is a nice color too. I will message you privately.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 9:12:41 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug,
>> I’m willing to sell my mermaid 54 complete if that interests you. I’m in 
>> the SF Bay Area but I’ve sold on here before and shipped via bike flights 
>> and my LBS. It’s barely been ridden and has some nice higher end parts. 
>>
>> Best
>> Ahmed in Redwood Shores
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:28 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Joe Bernard]

It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
frame... 🤔

Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your wife’s 
> in time! 
>
> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to put 
> my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
>> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
>> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels to 
>> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic coating 
>> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
>> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it will 
>> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 (caliper 
>> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
>> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>>
>>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the taste of 
>>> a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was born there 
>>> and I love to visit!)
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  wrote:
>>>
 Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during the 
 season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats are in 
 those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.

 Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
 Berkeley, CA

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:


 I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
 Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times 
 that 
 a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
 her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
 different purples. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Joe Bernard]

Definitely try the Clem saddle first. It's promoted by Riv as an Actual 
Good Saddle, and certainly a better option for a lockup bike than the 
spiffy/pricey Brookses we all know and love around here. 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
> call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle that 
> came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats what 
> it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well for 
> you.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Hi Dorothy,
>>
>> Good question! 
>>
>> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close and 
>> the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll get a 
>> phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert you:) 
>> Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated there 
>> would be a saddle. 
>>
>> Sally
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  wrote:
>>
>>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, but 
>>> I didn’t get one with mine
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>>
>>>> My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete arrived 
>>>> yesterday by UPS!
>>>>
>>>> We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it closed 
>>>> (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but equally excited 
>>>> for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, twine, etc. 
>>>>
>>>> Xmas came early here in California! 
>>>>
>>>> Cheers to all...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>>>>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a 
>>>>> new 
>>>>> frame... 🤔
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>>>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
>>>>>> put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>>>>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All 
>>>>>>> you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and 
>>>>>>> ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, 
>>>>>>> etc, 
>>>>>>> so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue 
>>>>>>> Sam 
>>>>>>> 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will 
>>>>>>> likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> NC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>>>>>>>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
>>>>>>>> taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Joe Bernard]

That's a lovely bicycle, Dorothy 💚💚💚

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:06:48 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0422.jpeg]Here’s mine with a lot of tranferred parts off a 
> 2019 45cm Clem
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Definitely try the Clem saddle first. It's promoted by Riv as an Actual 
>> Good Saddle, and certainly a better option for a lockup bike than the 
>> spiffy/pricey Brookses we all know and love around here. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
>>> call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle that 
>>> came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats what 
>>> it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well for 
>>> you.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dorothy,
>>>>
>>>> Good question! 
>>>>
>>>> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close 
>>>> and the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll get 
>>>> a phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert 
>>>> you:) Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated 
>>>> there would be a saddle. 
>>>>
>>>> Sally
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, 
>>>>> but I didn’t get one with mine
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete arrived 
>>>>>> yesterday by UPS!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it 
>>>>>> closed (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but equally 
>>>>>> excited for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, 
>>>>>> twine, etc. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xmas came early here in California! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers to all...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>>>>>>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a 
>>>>>>> new 
>>>>>>> frame... 🤔
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>>>>>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
>>>>>>>> to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>>>>>>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All 
>>>>>>>>> you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting 
>>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>>> wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and 
>>>>>>>>> ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 
>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>> crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, 
>>>>>>>>> etc, 
>>>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: Misc Campagnolo FS-front der, hubs, brakes

[Joe Bernard]

I had that much on my custom for a while (wish I hadn't sold it in a fit of 
"I'm a 1x guy now"). It friction-shifted a triple with 9-speed chain great, 
it'll handle a 42-30 easy. 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 7:53:00 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Any comments on how the Veloce derailleur shifts? Piecing together a 
> Platypus build, trying to keep it silver and classy, the Veloce there seems 
> to fit the bill. Will be shifting a 42/30 Silver double. 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:44:44 PM UTC-8 richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am looking to raise some funds for the anticipated FAT bike purchase 
>> and trying to go basic and see if it sticks in the stable. I’m down to two 
>> bikes only. The FAT will be #3. Look for a few more FS posts soon. Paypal 
>> is preferred to this address. Don't hesitate to get in touch with me 
>> off-list with any questions. X-posted IBOB/RBW Offers are always 
>> considered. Pictures at: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ngmnuqJEE45yzhJf8
>>
>>
>> Rich in Des Moines  
>>
>> Campagnolo Veloce front triple derailleur- bottom pull 1 ⅛” clamp 
>> diameter excellent condition $55 mailed
>>
>> Campagnolo Veloce road calipers- short reach (about 39-49 mm) pads in 
>> great shape $60 mailed 
>>
>> Campagnolo Veloce 130 mm 8-speed road hubs silver 32-hole. 1994 or so 
>> vintage. The set includes a 13-26t cassette in great condition. They are 
>> used and in great shape. $ 95 mailed
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Misc Campagnolo FS-front der, hubs, brakes

[Joe Bernard]

*mech, not much 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:46:38 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had that much on my custom for a while (wish I hadn't sold it in a fit 
> of "I'm a 1x guy now"). It friction-shifted a triple with 9-speed chain 
> great, it'll handle a 42-30 easy. 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 7:53:00 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Any comments on how the Veloce derailleur shifts? Piecing together a 
>> Platypus build, trying to keep it silver and classy, the Veloce there seems 
>> to fit the bill. Will be shifting a 42/30 Silver double. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:44:44 PM UTC-8 richd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to raise some funds for the anticipated FAT bike purchase 
>>> and trying to go basic and see if it sticks in the stable. I’m down to two 
>>> bikes only. The FAT will be #3. Look for a few more FS posts soon. Paypal 
>>> is preferred to this address. Don't hesitate to get in touch with me 
>>> off-list with any questions. X-posted IBOB/RBW Offers are always 
>>> considered. Pictures at: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ngmnuqJEE45yzhJf8
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich in Des Moines  
>>>
>>> Campagnolo Veloce front triple derailleur- bottom pull 1 ⅛” clamp 
>>> diameter excellent condition $55 mailed
>>>
>>> Campagnolo Veloce road calipers- short reach (about 39-49 mm) pads in 
>>> great shape $60 mailed 
>>>
>>> Campagnolo Veloce 130 mm 8-speed road hubs silver 32-hole. 1994 or so 
>>> vintage. The set includes a 13-26t cassette in great condition. They are 
>>> used and in great shape. $ 95 mailed
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: like new triple crankset

[Joe Bernard]

Arm length? I'm not in the market but I know someone who might be 
interested in these. 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:36:04 AM UTC-8 Tom Horton wrote:

> velo orange triple, 48-34-24   bought new a few years ago, mounted on a 
> bike and never rode it.  with 127 mm bottom bracket. square taper.$110  
> plus shipping.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Susie L or XL Frame

[Joe Bernard]

Check SF Bay Area Craigslist, there's a Large Susie frame and Gus complete 
there. 

Joe "you might want to tell people where you're located" Bernard
Lake County CA. 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-8 Ben Hannon wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I know that they're coming out with a lugged Susie next year, but wanted 
> to see if anyone was hanging onto an older frame they were looking to part 
> with?
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
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[RBW] Re: FS- budget 650b wheelset

[Joe Bernard]

Did you get a read on the rear spacing? 

Joe Bernard
Clearlake CA 

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 12:28:09 PM UTC-8 ocea...@gmail.com wrote:

>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD2 triple, 175mm

[Joe Bernard]

It's 110 BCD for the bigger rings, 74 granny ring. Nice cranks, nice price, 
but the length of the arms might be a stretch for you. You're probably used 
to 170mm (or shorter). 

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 8:15:18 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'd like that but I think I need a BCD 110 for my Betty.  
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:19:39 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 2F5171D3-638E-4337-8476-972CEA76C2BC.jpeg]
>>
>> $75 plus shipping to you. It’s a 48/36/24. Pedal washers and bolts 
>> included. Thanks! 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Joe Bernard]

It's a lovely bike in rare shape, 30 years on these aren't coming up in 
this condition every day. I believe the advertised max tire size was 28mm 
but that was in the era of over-promising on size by tire manufacturers, 
I'd only buy this if I was sure I could live with a 700x25 tire. 

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
> one. 
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It was 
> a 56 and a hair too small. 
>

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[RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Joe Bernard]

The only theoretical concern I can think of is you may get some skating 
between front rings from a 9-spd chain on cranks spaced for 6/7/8-spd. But 
in reality - assuming front friction shifting - you'll just make sure 
you're shoving that chain over properly and all will be well. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>
> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
> in the 20s. 
>
> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
> bikes in the past.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta, this is stunning. As you know I'm kinda crazy about red hearts and 
this is the red heartest bike ever! You did an amazing job making your 
bicycle exactly as you wanted it, it's literally perfect ❤️❤️❤️

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>
> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>
> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on the 
> city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
> Homer.
>
> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>
> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>
> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in back), 
> Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires 
> are as I purchased the bike.
>
> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B&M Topline Plus light 
> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>
> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>
> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the hearts 
> paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>

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[RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Joe Bernard]

Adding to my post: I don't think you're asking if the gearing will be too 
high. Yes it will work and you can use whatever gearing you like! 

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:37:57 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The only theoretical concern I can think of is you may get some skating 
> between front rings from a 9-spd chain on cranks spaced for 6/7/8-spd. But 
> in reality - assuming front friction shifting - you'll just make sure 
> you're shoving that chain over properly and all will be well. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
>> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
>> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>>
>> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
>> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
>> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
>> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
>> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
>> in the 20s. 
>>
>> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
>> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
>> bikes in the past.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging?

[Joe Bernard]

It's the Marathons leaving you hanging, I despise the damn things. Once you 
get them on they're practically impervious to flatting but you gotta get em 
on there first! 

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:46:32 AM UTC-8 Curtis wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Looking for some Cliffhanger wisdom.  It seems that I am having a good 
> amount of trouble mounting Schwalbe Marathons on my Cliffhangers.  So much 
> so that I worry about a tire change in the field, such as the Oregon 
> Outback, and been stranded.  I am now carrying a large screwdriver to get 
> the leverage  needed to mount the last bit of tire on the rim.  Have not 
> pinched more that two tubes in the last fifty years of flat fixing.  
> Yesterday, I pinched two and scratched the heck out of the rim.  Not to 
> mention bending the cool aluminum CyclePro tire levers that I have had 
> since high school.
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville SaddleSack Small, olive

[Joe Bernard]

Pending

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:29:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm overbagged again and seem determined to keep using huge ones. 
>
> Bought here this summer in VG condition, used maybe 5 whole times myself. 
> It's an interesting pale olive I hadn't seen before, there's almost a hint 
> if grey in it (but lots more green than the pics show, my phone always 
> washes out bag colors). 
>
> My vague recollection (I can't find the email) is I paid $130 shipped so 
> that's the price. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
>
> [image: Screenshot_20231226_222521.jpg][image: 
> Screenshot_20231226_222530.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville SaddleSack Small, olive

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:29:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm overbagged again and seem determined to keep using huge ones. 
>
> Bought here this summer in VG condition, used maybe 5 whole times myself. 
> It's an interesting pale olive I hadn't seen before, there's almost a hint 
> if grey in it (but lots more green than the pics show, my phone always 
> washes out bag colors). 
>
> My vague recollection (I can't find the email) is I paid $130 shipped so 
> that's the price. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
>
> [image: Screenshot_20231226_222521.jpg][image: 
> Screenshot_20231226_222530.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI in South Pasadena

[Joe Bernard]

That would have been a tough call for me, too, both colors are awesome. 
Dark Gold it is! Congrats on your new Riv, looking forward to the build. 

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:43:00 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: IMG_2735.jpeg][image: IMG_2734.jpeg]Alright—now the fun starts! 
> The Leo arrived last night, so it got a healthy dose of Frame Saver. I’m 
> going to build most of it this morning. Still waiting for a Silver triple 
> crank and some chain wax to arrive. Should be ready to roll tomorrow. 
>
> Including color comparison images to show dark gold versus the orange on 
> my Sam. Took forever to choose between the Sergio green and dark gold but I 
> couldn’t be happier with my choice. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:04:17 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Last post for the intro...promise! 
>>
>>
>> SAM BUILD
>> After purchasing parts last week, I set this bike up as a 2x8 flat bar 
>> build with Swift Industries bags and a Wald basket. This is will be for 
>> biking with family, getting in fitness rides, doing grocery shopping, 
>> coffee outside vibes, and running errands around town. Heckmaybe even 
>> some fenders and a kickstand.
>>
>> LEO BUILD
>> This will be a 3x8 drop bar build set up for 40-60ish mile road rides on 
>> the weekend. It'll use an old set of OpenPro/Ultegra with some Panaracers 
>> Pasellas. In terms of luggage, it'll get a Swift Industries Kestral mounted 
>> to a Velo Orange decalleur and a tool roll under the saddle. Might be cool 
>> as a Rando bike but free time in the saddle is limited at this point in my 
>> life.
>>
>>
>> Please stay tuned if you have any interest in seeing a comfy road build 
>> take shape. I'll definitely share insights during and after the build, 
>> especially as I get acclimated to the new bike. Cheers and Happy New Year!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> At any rate, the numbers between both frames look pretty similar. Seems 
>>> like the chainstay on the Leo is 1.7cm shorter than the Sam and the HT/ST 
>>> angles have a 0.5 degree variation. My guess is that both will feel pretty 
>>> neutral in handling and I fully expect any Riv to ride amazingly, so I'm 
>>> not that worried about it. Given the difference in tire size, and lack of 
>>> luggage on the Roadini, I expect it to feel zippier than my trusty Sam.
>>> [image: IMG_2718.jpeg]
>>> *Parts Bin*
>>> So, I've been building an admirable collection of parts over the years 
>>> and I finally accumulated enough to build a second bike. Here's a 
>>> screenshot of the spreadsheet I made to help determine which parts to buy, 
>>> indicated in yellow highlighting.
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-12-26 at 10.26.45 AM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day, NBD!

[Joe Bernard]

Leah: It's a wonderful bike whose journey I've followed for years, it feels 
like an old friend arrived at my doorstep. Thanks so much!

Kim: It's a 52, it just looks huge in the photos with 42mm tires. But it's 
a loong 52, I've owned shorter recumbents! 😂

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:27:53 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congratulations Joe on your NBD on New Year's Day !  
>
> The RBW Blue is such a fantastic color. She is a beauty !  I am sure that 
> you are, if not already have fallen in love with it. Every time I walk by 
> mine here in my home,  a 52cm Blue Clem, I admire it every time. I am very 
> delighted to own one. 
>
> What size is it ?  59cm ? ..or ?
>
> I am certain that you will find it a real fun bike on and off road.
>
> I'm looking forward to your periodical ride reports in and around Clear 
> Lake.
>
> Long my you ride with smiles and joy in your heart.
>
> All my best,
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Surprise! And happy NBD. You really know how to ring in the new year. 
>> From NYC, to Las Vegas, to Michigan and now to California this bike has 
>> lived quite a life and doesn’t look any worse for the wear, I’d say.
>>
>> Enjoy and put some marks on that thing.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:40:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Remember Leah's lovely shimmery blue Clem L? Now it's MY lovely shimmery 
>>> blue Clem L! This is pre-racked and bagged and all that (and there's an 
>>> errant black brake cable cuz I'm waiting for a long gray one) but I wanted 
>>> to show off my new-to-me bike. It's wonderful, I love it 💙
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Lake County CA
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20240101_203513.jpg][image: 
>>> Screenshot_20240101_203538.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Joe Bernard]

I've just bought a 52cm Clem L (I've owned them before) and have a Riv 
Custom that was designed similarly to the Platypus: lugs, lighter 
pavement-oriented tubing, long chainstays, low stepover but not a true 
step-through like the Clem. 

My first impression after hopping off the custom and taking my first ride 
on the Clem yesterday is they ride remarkably similarly at the mellow-ish 
pace I prefer. Would I pick the Clem for speed? No, but that's not really 
my jam and it sounds like your wife rides like me. So my opinion - as a guy 
whose owned a Cheviot but not a Platy - is the Clem will be a lovely and 
comfortable ride for her IF you're committed to riding at her pace as 
you've suggested. 

Joe Bernard
Lake County CA 

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 2:29:59 PM UTC-8 SeanMac wrote:

> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>
> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  
> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated 
> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy 
> the ride with her.
>
> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years old.  
> I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  She is 
> on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems to be 
> just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us 
> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.
>
> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  
> I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and 
> relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised 
> by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she 
> asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't 
> know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am 
> reaching out to the group.
>
> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the 
> Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my 
> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are 
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day, NBD!

[Joe Bernard]

I will indeed update in the future with adventures on my shimmery blue Clem 
L. As of today I've gotten a proper gray rear brake housing installed and a 
Nitto Big Rack. Pics coming here and on the Instagram if the weather holds 
out this weekend 🙏

"I loved that bike but it wasn’t getting enough miles, and I hate to see a 
Rivendell not ridden. I might regret it when I’m 80..."

Ok here's the deal. When you're 80 I'll be 99 and probably not out there on 
a bike, you can have it back when you're 80! 


On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:49:06 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "I left Joe with one top tube smudge so he can never forget it was my bike 
> first. 🤣"
>
> Ah yes, the cure for my obsessiveness about scratched paint..it came 
> pre-scratched! It's perfect! 🙃
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240104_214456.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:29:49 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Jason, I never thought the day would come, either. I left Joe with one 
>> top tube smudge so he can never forget it was my bike first. 🤣 If you end 
>> up with that Clem one day it will be a story too good to tell. How funny! 
>>
>> I loved that bike but it wasn’t getting enough miles, and I hate to see a 
>> Rivendell not ridden. I might regret it when I’m 80, but for now, I’ve got 
>> some new plans in the works! Joe, report back on your adventures, hear?
>> L
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> I never thought I'd see the day that Leah parted with the blue Clem, but 
>> I absolutely would have predicted that if it happened, Joe would buy it!  :D
>>
>>
>>
>> It's fun to watch its journey though different hands, in different 
>> places, all with the common goal of making fond memories aboard the common 
>> bike. Maybe it'll end up with me next?  Wouldn't be the first time I bought 
>> a bike from Joe ... 
>>
>> On Wednesday 3 January 2024 at 07:49:09 UTC-8 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: hillborne at dam.JPG]
>>> Took a new years day ride on my Hillborne. Went up to Conowingo dam and 
>>> back along the Susquehanna river. 
>>> This sign was new so I thought I would get a photo. Watch out for 
>>> vultures.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Joe,
>>>> I think the close-up photo makes it looks bigger than it is.  I have 
>>>> 57mm tires on my 52cm, but they appear to be smaller in width. You are 
>>>> going to love the ride and feel of the elongated chain stays and bike, 80 
>>>> inches worth. 
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Leah: It's a wonderful bike whose journey I've followed for years, it 
>>>> feels like an old friend arrived at my doorstep. Thanks so much!
>>>>
>>>> Kim: It's a 52, it just looks huge in the photos with 42mm tires. But 
>>>> it's a loong 52, I've owned shorter recumbents! 😂
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:27:53 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations Joe on your NBD on New Year's Day !  
>>>>
>>>> The RBW Blue is such a fantastic color. She is a beauty !  I am sure 
>>>> that you are, if not already have fallen in love with it. Every time I 
>>>> walk 
>>>> by mine here in my home,  a 52cm Blue Clem, I admire it every time. I am 
>>>> very delighted to own one. 
>>>>
>>>> What size is it ?  59cm ? ..or ?
>>>>
>>>> I am certain that you will find it a real fun bike on and off road.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to your periodical ride reports in and around Clear 
>>>> Lake.
>>>>
>>>> Long my you ride with smiles and joy in your heart.
>>>>
>>>> All my best,
>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Surprise! And happy NBD. You really know how to ring in the new year. 
>>>> From NYC, to Las Vegas, to Michigan and now to California this bike has 
>>>> lived quite a life and doesn’t look any worse for the wear, I’d say.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy and put some marks on that thing.
>>>> Leah
>>>>
&g

Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Joe Bernard]

Don, 

What shifters are you using? Are they index or friction? 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 6:03:50 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> So I'm about a couple weeks into owning my Homer, which I'm loving so far. 
> Its use has been limited to pavement save for a short segment of dirt trail 
> that connects official segments of SF Bay Trail in Alameda, CA. I've made a 
> couple of observations so far:
>
> *Cockpit*
> I enjoy the relaxed upright position that the Billie Bars provide. It's 
> done wonders keeping me comfortable and has not made any of my existing 
> neck and lower back issues worse. That said, it feels a little awkward to 
> make u-turns or any other decent turns at lower speed. While I don't intend 
> on taking this bike on the many singletrack trails that make up a large 
> portion of the natural surface trails in the SF Bay, I would like to take 
> it on gravel climbs when and if possible. I realize I can use the positions 
> directly in front of the brake levers on the Billie Bars, but I'm not sure 
> if that'll provide the lever control that I'm looking for. 
>
> I'm thinking about switching to wide-ish drop bars with some flare. I'm 
> using Ritchey Corralitos (480mm) bars on my Ascent and I love them. I'd get 
> a pair for the Homer if they were available in silver. I'm intrigued by the 
> Crust Towel Rack, but I'm afraid they'd be a little on the wide side for 
> me. Rune Bicycles is on the verge of releasing their Hilt Bars that hits 
> pretty much all my checkboxes so I may opt for those when they're released. 
> For those of you who do similar mixed-terrain rides with your Homers, what 
> are your handlebar preference, and why?
>
> *Drivetrain*
> For my first build, I went with a 42/28 double with a 11-40 8sp cassette. 
> I'm controlling the derailleurs (ultegra front and xtr rd-m960 rear with 
> roadlink) with thumbies and love them. That said, shifting hasn't been what 
> I had hoped. I find the shifts to be sloppy when shifting the range of cogs 
> in the middle of the cassette. I'm not sure if I'm describing this 
> correctly, but the gears sometimes slip during shifting resulting in two 
> "clunks" before fully engaging. Also, the gears don't feel smooth between 
> the middle to smallest cogs. Could this be due to the roadlink? I like the 
> range of the 11-40 cassette and it's been nice using the big cog on climbs 
> when needed so I'd prefer not to get rid of the roadlink and switch to an 
> 11-34 cassette. I have an XTR RD-M952 I can try out instead? For those of 
> you with similar gearing, what components have you settled on to get 
> flawless shifting?
>
> Thanks, in advance, for the feedback!
>
> -Don
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:12:11 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill, I will be keeping an eye out for you on Mt. Diablo so I can give 
>> you a thumbs up when you pass me! 
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> A couple weeks back I said:
>>>
>>> "The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
>>> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
>>> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
>>> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
>>> will be on a derailleurless bike."
>>>
>>> When I state a goal, I feel committed, even if the RBW Group isn't 
>>> expending energy to hold me accountable, there is accountability when I 
>>> type it out.  Anyhow, I got a start on the above today with my first summit 
>>> of Mount Diablo for 2024.  I did it on my current stripped down road bike, 
>>> my Black Mountain Cycles Road.  I picked today to avoid the pockets of rain 
>>> that are hitting us with some regularity.  It was sunny and cool, but not 
>>> cold.  One down, four to go.  Highlights included a rider on a 2TT 
>>> Hillborne with Albatross bars.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Therese is a delightful person and a very good rider.  I used to run 
>>>> across her a lot in the East Bay and at SFR events, but I don't think our 
>>>> paths have crossed lately.  
>>>>
>>>> She's also a fair bit more enlightened about gearing than the 
>>>> filmmaker.  Her set up isn't perfect, but it&#x

Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Joe Bernard]

Don, 

You might try overshifting a bit in the cogs that are giving you trouble, 
that's actually how Shimano designed the index-shifting in the trigger 
shifters for your derailleur: Give the thumbie a proper shove - almost like 
you're planning to skip over a cog - then pull back a smidge to drop the 
chain full center on the cog you want. This should help a bit but I think 
you are correct that you're experiencing a bit of rumbling and grumbling 
from the chain because the road link has placed the derailleur further from 
the smaller cogs than intended. 

Speaking of the chain, if it's new you may just need to run it in a bit. 
New chains are always a little grumbly and finicky for me on the first few 
rides. 

Joe "this may not make sense and I may be completely wrong" Bernard 

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:24:48 AM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> Joe, I'm using Silver2 friction shifters with thumbshifter mounts.  Same 
> as this:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/cdn/shop/products/stemshiftersilverclose-7_750x.jpg
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:39:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Don, 
>>
>> What shifters are you using? Are they index or friction? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 6:03:50 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>
>>> So I'm about a couple weeks into owning my Homer, which I'm loving so 
>>> far. Its use has been limited to pavement save for a short segment of dirt 
>>> trail that connects official segments of SF Bay Trail in Alameda, CA. I've 
>>> made a couple of observations so far:
>>>
>>> *Cockpit*
>>> I enjoy the relaxed upright position that the Billie Bars provide. It's 
>>> done wonders keeping me comfortable and has not made any of my existing 
>>> neck and lower back issues worse. That said, it feels a little awkward to 
>>> make u-turns or any other decent turns at lower speed. While I don't intend 
>>> on taking this bike on the many singletrack trails that make up a large 
>>> portion of the natural surface trails in the SF Bay, I would like to take 
>>> it on gravel climbs when and if possible. I realize I can use the positions 
>>> directly in front of the brake levers on the Billie Bars, but I'm not sure 
>>> if that'll provide the lever control that I'm looking for. 
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about switching to wide-ish drop bars with some flare. I'm 
>>> using Ritchey Corralitos (480mm) bars on my Ascent and I love them. I'd get 
>>> a pair for the Homer if they were available in silver. I'm intrigued by the 
>>> Crust Towel Rack, but I'm afraid they'd be a little on the wide side for 
>>> me. Rune Bicycles is on the verge of releasing their Hilt Bars that hits 
>>> pretty much all my checkboxes so I may opt for those when they're released. 
>>> For those of you who do similar mixed-terrain rides with your Homers, what 
>>> are your handlebar preference, and why?
>>>
>>> *Drivetrain*
>>> For my first build, I went with a 42/28 double with a 11-40 8sp 
>>> cassette. I'm controlling the derailleurs (ultegra front and xtr rd-m960 
>>> rear with roadlink) with thumbies and love them. That said, shifting hasn't 
>>> been what I had hoped. I find the shifts to be sloppy when shifting the 
>>> range of cogs in the middle of the cassette. I'm not sure if I'm describing 
>>> this correctly, but the gears sometimes slip during shifting resulting in 
>>> two "clunks" before fully engaging. Also, the gears don't feel smooth 
>>> between the middle to smallest cogs. Could this be due to the roadlink? I 
>>> like the range of the 11-40 cassette and it's been nice using the big cog 
>>> on climbs when needed so I'd prefer not to get rid of the roadlink and 
>>> switch to an 11-34 cassette. I have an XTR RD-M952 I can try out instead? 
>>> For those of you with similar gearing, what components have you settled on 
>>> to get flawless shifting?
>>>
>>> Thanks, in advance, for the feedback!
>>>
>>> -Don
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:12:11 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill, I will be keeping an eye out for you on Mt. Diablo so I can give 
>>>> you a thumbs up when you pass me! 
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A couple weeks back I said:
>>>>&

Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Joe Bernard]

I might agree that a triple is unnecessary unless you really like pedaling 
downhill, but I'm off the 1x bandwagon. My Riv Custom (parts currently 
transferred to a Clem) was set up with a 34 x 11-50 11-speed, SRAM Rival 1 
rear mech. It's fine for most of the roads around here but there's a couple 
VERY steep sections that are on loops I ride all the time and I'd rather 
stay on the bike and spin vs. walking. Plus the range is simply too high 
for the also-steep trails I've been exploring lately. So now I've added a 
26t granny ring and fiddled with the B-screw enough to make the derailleur 
work with it (it's not supposed to). I'm #TeamDouble!

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:

> I read that same VO post and decided it made a fine case for 1x.  If you 
> are spending most of your time in the middle ring of a triple, why ride a 
> triple?  I get it for racing, or keeping up with a fast group, but I don't 
> do those things.
>
> My most recently acquired (old) bike has a triple, though, and I have 
> resisted modifying it.  Still waiting to have my mind changed.
>
> Jim in Rochester
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:44:06 PM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, and 
>> so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two bikes, 
>> and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 derailer and 
>> 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost less 
>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog Cycles 
>> for inspiration.
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
>>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push 
>>> through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. Now 
>>> its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears available. 
>>> Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x because I 
>>> get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me (personally 
>>> mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of the 
>>> setup. Dropping chains, chain rubits all a balancing act. I am happy to 
>>> have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what VO is 
>>> saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x just 
>>> works.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that 
 when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard to 
 stay upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, I 
 find it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something we 
 used to call a “24-inch gear”).

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

 I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never looked 
 back.  
 Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift.  

 

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually 46-32-20 on 
> XT 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off the big ring because I 
> rarely use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my solo riding, just 
> when 
> riding with the guys chasing them down hills. It does look a little 
> ridiculous, with the front der way up in the air but so far its working 
> out 
> just fine.
>
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> VO makes a good case for triples:
>>
>>
>> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1
>>
>> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast simplicity, 
>> the emphasis on constant shifting may be overstated. Many riders find 
>> themselves primarily using the middle ring, operating as a 1x system 
>> with 
>> added flexibility to adapt to different terrain.
>>
>> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low and high 
>> ranges available is the key, I think. I know that, even with 10 or 11 in 
>> back, I'd not want a 1X, and even a 1X + granny (ie, very wide range 
>> subcompact 2X) would leave me wanting easy-shifting gears for steep 
>> rolling 
>> offroad terrain (which I don't ride anymore), as I found when I swapped 
>> out 
>> a 3X7 for a 2X9 on my erstwhile Fargo. For road use including heavy 
>> loads 
>> and steep hills the 2X9 was easier to use and provided sufficient range 
>> with close cruising steps, but I did miss 

Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Joe Bernard]

"Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
Octalink?"

All Octalink. The previous gen 7/8-spd era Ultegra square taper (600 
tri-color) were all doubles, if you search long and hard you can find 105 
triples from that period but I don't think many were produced. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:05:47 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
> Octalink?
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 (free) 
>> and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with the 
>> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
>> is indeed a useful FD.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  
>>>
>>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never 
>>> looked back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer is 
>>> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
>>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
>>> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the analog 
>>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
>>> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 
>>>
>>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John Schubert's 
>>> article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
>>> <https://www.adventurecycling.org/sites/default/assets/resources/gearing_101.pdf>"?
>>>  
>>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
>>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Will 
>>> NYC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
>>>> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
>>>> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette 
>>>>> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration 
>>>>> right 
>>>>> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for 
>>>>> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is 
>>>>> really 
>>>>> scratching an itch for me though! 
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; 
>>>>>> I end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> for these bikes I like it fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider 
>>>>>> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general 
>>>>>> use. 
>>>>>> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front 
>>>>>> shifts 
>>>>>> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets 
>>>>>> you 
>>>>>> use a standard 110 double crank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding 
>>>>>>> with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. 
>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs,

[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

That rose is so pretty. I grant your swanky new Paul brakes my highest 
praise, they're RIDICULOUS 

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Joe Bernard]

The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
long-reach like Tektro R559. 

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
> should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>> but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>> that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
 saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
 show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.

 Brian


 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
> based on upright relaxed riding.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>> height. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>> height. 
>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nice bike! I totally agree about trigger shifters, they work and I 
love them. The derailleur my trigger works with on my Clem (SRAM) is also 
pretty ugly but I can't see it while it's working fabulously on a ride. No 
problem! 😁

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
> new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
> Sergio Green.
>
> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
> to the green. 
> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out right 
> away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear SunRace 
> derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
> alone. 
> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
> impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
> slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right choice 
> for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be great! 
> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>
> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure joy 
> so far! 
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Joe Bernard]

I'm not sure why we would question why someone would want to do a well 
known ride after seeing a film about it. She wants to do it because it's 
interesting to her. 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:02:11 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Not sure why you'd want to go through the trouble to travel all the way 
> over to the Western end of Iowa for this ride particular ride given the 
> distance to get there, the logistics, accommodation issues and the sheer 
> mass of riders (some of whom seem to like to stop at every bar along a 
> portion of a daily route until they're so inebriated that they crash into 
> trees, etc., vehicles that have run over cyclists in sleeping bags, etc.) 
> just for the notoriety when you could enjoy a multiple number of great 
> rides right in your own backyard, so to speak.  Have you considered 
> https://lmb.org/events/ride-calendar/?
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 6:47:36 PM UTC-6 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I took the opportunity to ride the first day of RAGBRAI last summer. I 
>> live in eastern Nebraska. I happened to be off that weekend, heard it was 
>> starting that weekend and that it was the 50th anniversary of the ride. Had 
>> always thought of doing at least the first day, but never took the 
>> opportunity to look into it and would find out the morning of when local 
>> news would do reports on it. I took the opportunity. I enjoyed it, even if 
>> I tried to bite off too much in the process. I think if you are going to do 
>> the whole thing you best look at the dates and locations and figure out 
>> hotel/motel stays now. It is not a race, but definitely get conditioned for 
>> the heat, humidity and hills before hand. My plan was to ride to the second 
>> to last city location and double back in order to get in a century. I fell 
>> short of that and wished I would have just rode to the end city and called 
>> it a day. First day miles to the end city was 77. I estimated I did about 
>> 64 miles in my attempt to ride back to Sioux City. Sag truck ended up 
>> taking me to Storm Lake, IA where and I ended calling out a mayday to a 
>> friend to pick me up and get me back to Sioux City to my car. 
>>
>> I rode my Rivendell Mountain because I felt it would be the most 
>> comfortable with it's Softride suspension stem and Thudbuster Uni-Pivot 
>> post. The next bike I was considering was the OX Brand Ti Cruiser 29er. Got 
>> some compliments on the Riv. Ran into some fellow RBW/iBOB members and 
>> chatted for a bit.  
>>
>> The logistics can be much. Deciding if you want to park on the west Iowa 
>> and get shuttled back after or park in east Iowa and have your 
>> transportation handy once it is done. Ran into some folks at the first day 
>> stop. One gal had threw in the towel after the first 5 or so miles. She 
>> ended up hitching a ride to the final to retrieve her vehicle so her and 
>> the rest of her group could could use it for camping purposes the rest of 
>> the ride. 
>>
>> Amtrak does run through the state out of Chicago going to California, The 
>> Omaha station will probably be the closest one the start location. One of 
>> the folks I chatted with said she had a friend that took Amtrak to Omaha 
>> and rode from Omaha to Sioux City to start the ride. 
>>
>> Good luck with getting things figured out. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis 
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>>>
>>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
>>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
>>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
>>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
>>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
>>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
>>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>>
>>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
>>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
>>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
>>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
>>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
>>> others?
>>>
>>> Also, no camping. I’m

[RBW] Re: RBW HQ visit

[Joe Bernard]

All my visits were during the pre-appointment days when the shop was always 
open, but I always had a thing I was there for so it was appointment-ish 
anyway. This is what I recommend, find a couple things you could use - 
cables, kickstand, bandana, whatever you can think of - and make the 
appointment. While you're there it will become a chat-and-lookaround 
naturally, that's the way they roll. 

As far as getting a full tour you may want to lower your expectations a 
smidge, it's basically two sections of a warehouse building with stuff 
crammed into every noik and cranny, plus a small space for bikes. The tour 
is you walk up and it's all right there! Then you look at the bikes and 
chat and pay for your stuff and off you go. Pretty mellow (although 
nerve-wracking for me cuz I'm that way), you'll love it. 

Joe Bernard  

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey y'all
>
> I am planning a trip to SF in March, and was thinking of visiting HQ in 
> Walnut Creek. I have two Rivs, and no real need to visit, except that I am 
> a huge fan of the brand, the employees, the culture, etc. It's always been 
> a dream of mine to visit and meet some/all of the crew.
>
> My dream visit consists of, show up, shoot the shit with the whole crew, 
> get a mini tour, and ride off into the sunset on a group ride. I understand 
> this is not the reality, and that you need an appointment to go on a 
> weekday, and that Saturdays there's likely only 2-4 people there. So I 
> would like to hear some experiences of the reality. Has anyone made the 
> pilgrimage to RBWHQ "just because"? Did you make an appointment? Go on a 
> Saturday?
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[RBW] Re: If you plan to get a Roaduno..,

[Joe Bernard]

That would be sweet! A 3-speed coaster brake hub, no brake cables, awesome 
simplicity. Which I would inevitably screw up by adding a front caliper but 
the idea is nice! 😬

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> would you consider a coaster brake hub of some sort?

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[RBW] Re: big big chain sizing method dilemma

[Joe Bernard]

Nothing to add to others' advice except definitely keep it too long 'til 
you're sure. What I look for when derailleur and chain are mounted is a 
decent amount of room left in big-big so I'm not straining the pulley cage, 
then I don't care if the small-small is droopy. I may accidentally get into 
big-big with a panic downshift climbing a hill, but I know I'll never use 
small-small (and droopy wouldn't hurt anything anyway). 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 12:28:07 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Rear: 11-36, front: 46-34-22
>
> I'm using the big-big chain sizing method recommended by many. Of course 
> though when pulling most of the slack, my master link lines up with an 
> outer link. So instead of adding one link [outer+inner] from the match 
> point to get my cut point, It's *suggested* to add [inner+outer+inner] 
> and the chain is looking droopy as hell. Rest assured I will never be in a 
> big-big situation, ever. My rear derailleur is mid-cage so I'm worried it 
> won't pick up all the slack I'm affording the chain in scenario 1. I mocked 
> up a 34F to 11R situation, which I do end up in on mellow downhills, and it 
> looked crazy loose.
>
> I cut the chain leaving myself the option to cut again, and took photos. 
> First pic is as recommended by park tool youtube, pull to nearest *inner* 
> link, add one extra. Super droopy.
>
> [image: IMG_3012.jpg]
>
> Second pic is mock up of what chain slack would look like if I cut one 
> more [inner+outer] link out. Still has slack, feels like it wouldn't be a 
> problem in any normal gearing. 
>
> [image: IMG_3013.jpg]
>
> RD arrives in the mail today. If this exercise is foolish until I have the 
> RD installed, I can be patient. Just curious if anyone has made the 
> judgement call to only add .5 links instead of 1 full link.
>

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[RBW] Re: Trade Feelers - my 2012 48cm Sam Hillborne for 53cm,54cm,55cm Riv?

[Joe Bernard]

Posting location will draw folks who want an easy in-person trade. 

Joe Bernard
Lake County CA 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-8 tl4ente...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone out there have a stable and interested in trading 1 for a new whip 
> for their partner?  This one has been well taken care of, in great shape 
> and zero issues just slightly too small for my liking.
>
> [image: HILLBORNE-BRUSH-1.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Bosco for small bikes

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah the second one has never made sense. It'll get your bars up high on a 
bike with a tiny headtube but said bike will also have a short toptube. 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone
>
> The rivbike page for the Bosco handlebars mentions this -
>
> "Here’s its best use:
> - Longish top tube bikes and upright riding. Mountain bike conversions to 
> supa-comfee cruisers.
> - Making too-small bikes fit and feel better."
>
> I think I understand the first use - since the handlebar reaches far back 
> it would make long reach bikes easier to fit. How do you make sense of the 
> second one? Wouldn't it make the small bikes feel smaller? Or perhaps the 
> reference is to the handlebars rise and not reach?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Peter
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[RBW] Re: Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Joe Bernard]

1. I think a level B17 is a mistake, you end up with the rear portion 
sloping down and forcing your wrists into the bars. My B17s (it's all I 
ride) start with the rear perfectly flat and the nose up. It will feel 
awkward at first but give it a few miles before deciding it's too 
front-high. 

2. Padded shorts always made me miserable, then one day I read a Grant 
article saying that added material in saddle and/or shorts contributes to 
friction which increases pain. I ditched the padding and my B17 saddles 
basically disappear when riding, I simply don't think about them. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:27:00 PM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> Next week I'll be throwing a leg over a Roadini for the first time (I 
> posted a couple weeks ago about the frame I ordered) and I thought I was 
> set on my saddle, but decided yesterday I need to try something very 
> different.  
>
> A little bit of background before I get to my question...
>
> When I started cycling around 20 years ago I had Brooks B17 on my road 
> bike (custom geometry, not too aggressive) and a Masi commuter bike.  It 
> was a while ago so I can't recall what I liked about them, and why I 
> eventually stopped using them, but I do recall one memory...I always used 
> padded bib shorts (still do) and one day in the winter I went for a 2hr 
> ride and only realized when I got home that I just had on my underwear and 
> tights.  In at least that way for me at that time, the saddle was that 
> comfortable.
>
> Since that time I've used a lot of plastic saddles from Fizik, Selle 
> Italia and the latest is a Prologo (147mm wide, with a bit of padding).  I 
> used this saddle on two bikes the last 4 months and it was a noticeable 
> improvement over the Selle Italia saddles I was using previously.  I 
> thought this is what I would use on the Roadini (and still may, in the long 
> run).  But when I use it on my Salsa Fargo (bar level with saddle) and ride 
> for 2+ hours, I get friction and general discomfort.  And can I ride 
> without padded bib shorts?  Heck no, I can't even go around my block 
> without bibs when using this saddle.
>
> To get to my point, I ordered a B17 in Honey to try out on my Roadini. 
>  I'm getting it tomorrow and I'm going to try it on my Fargo (nice weather 
> for next little while).  I know that overall I need to be patient, only 
> change one thing at a time, and only small adjustments.
>
> My thinking, where I wanted to get your input, is that I would be set up 
> the bike so saddle and bars are level, and will likely start with the 
> saddle level (from what I recall this will have the rear of the saddle 
> where my sit bones are located, pointed down a bit, but that's how my 
> Prologo is today and I can ride in the drops and take my hands off and I'm 
> balanced...so I think I'll start there and see how it goes).
>
> Any other words of wisdom that I can consider?  Thanks in advance.
>

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[RBW] Re: Best practice with Sunrace Thumbshifters

[Joe Bernard]

Andrew, 

I have one each SunRace shifter and Silver2 to compare. The barrels appear 
to be the same diameter but the SunRace is notably further from the bar, 
and the lever is a smidge longer. Both distance issues are going to create 
the sensation that she's reaching further and pulling the lever through a 
longer arc than the Silver. Does this mean the Silver shifter is more like 
the one that was on her bike? I don't know but my guess..yes!*

*Assuming we're talking friction shifters here. I'm no help if she's using 
index.  

Joe Bernard 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 9:06:00 AM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Brief background, my wife's 1995 B'Stone X0-5 thumb shifters died after a 
> mild crash. I replaced them with the beautiful Sunrace thumbies from the 
> mothership website. Now she complains...
>
> She has Dove bars (like Albatross but more straight-back at the grips) and 
> cork grips, and she was used to the old shifters being closer to her hands 
> than I can get the Sunracers, when mounted in the "outer" position. She 
> tried them mounted as "inner" shifters but couldn't get the knack of using 
> thumbs to press down and finger to left back up. I also think the shifters 
> are further away from the bar than she was used to, and have a longer swing.
>
> When mounted outboard, is there a trick to get less cable pulled so the 
> swing of the shifter is a shorter arc? Maybe that's all about mechanical 
> advantage at the derailer. I'm wondering if anyone else has worked through 
> all the permutations of the "outsider" mounting to find a best way.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Joe Bernard]

I had an Appaloosa for a while and a Susie for not very long, didn't ride 
either on dirt. I liked the Susie better based on I couldn't even eat, it 
was just more interesting to me.* I'm sure this isn't very helpful! 

*I wish I'd kept the Susie, it was sold during a bunch of drama I won't 
bore you with. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:23:50 PM UTC-8 BrianT wrote:

> Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an Appaloosa 
> later this year. Help me commit!
>
> I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but fun 
> rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides plus 
> occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. The 
> Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which would be 
> pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
> technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 
>
> What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, but 
> I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. I'm 
> likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
> clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
> really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
> fender?).
>
> All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or owned 
> both.
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Joe Bernard]

*based on I couldn't even say* TYPOS! 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:36:45 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had an Appaloosa for a while and a Susie for not very long, didn't ride 
> either on dirt. I liked the Susie better based on I couldn't even eat, it 
> was just more interesting to me.* I'm sure this isn't very helpful! 
>
> *I wish I'd kept the Susie, it was sold during a bunch of drama I won't 
> bore you with. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:23:50 PM UTC-8 BrianT wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an Appaloosa 
>> later this year. Help me commit!
>>
>> I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but 
>> fun rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides 
>> plus occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. 
>> The Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which would 
>> be pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
>> technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 
>>
>> What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, but 
>> I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. I'm 
>> likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
>> clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
>> really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
>> fender?).
>>
>> All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or owned 
>> both.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Joe Bernard]

I agree about the name, I'm mystified that they dropped Gus Boots-Willsen. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:48:43 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I agree with Richard. Although both would serve your needs, if there is 
> any chance you’ll ride some singletrack, I’d wholeheartedly get the suze. 
> 2.6” tires with that long wheelbase is a riot. 
> Caveat is I only have a 6 mile round trip commute. And grocery is 6 mile 
> trip. So any bike works. If your commute is much longer, I’d say neither 
> bike would be great. Just get a cheap Trek 420 for the commutes. 
> The only thing I don’t like about Susie is the name. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 3:16:03 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Others here can no doubt offer more experienced opinions but, I would get 
>> the Susie and an extra set of wheels. One with 2.5”-2.6” knobbies (Honcho, 
>> Ehline) for singletrack or other off road stuff (backpacking), and the 
>> other with 2.0” - 2.25 smoothish tires for more roadish use. Susie is such 
>> a versatile platform. This of course is my perspective only & reflects my 
>> preference for off road excursions.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Brian Thomas  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an Appaloosa 
>> later this year. Help me commit!
>>
>> I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but 
>> fun rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides 
>> plus occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. 
>> The Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which would 
>> be pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
>> technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 
>>
>> What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, but 
>> I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. I'm 
>> likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
>> clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
>> really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
>> fender?).
>>
>> All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or owned 
>> both.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I used to 
> bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently gotten 
> back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional bike fit 
> sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended and 
> reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck bike 
> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics per 
> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  day-long 
> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. I 
> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I am 
> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have about 
> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>
>> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
>> time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they 
>> can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for them. 
>>  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that 
>> a reasonable assumption?
>>
>> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves are 
>> usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
>> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you had 
>> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  
>>
>> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently 
>> an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do you 
>> want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  
>>
>> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
>>> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
>>> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
>>> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, 
>>> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
>>> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
>>> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>>
>>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>>> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
>>> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
>>> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
>>> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I 
>>> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright 
>>> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar 
>>> endurance/all-roadish bike. 
>>>
>>> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the 
>>> bars are 5" above the saddle. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

There's no Appaloosa in question, the mustard bike is a Homer. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:15:40 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> I said "bosco," but meant "chaco."  The first ones, on the first run of 
> appaloosas, were the bullmoose version.  
>
> (The bosco was designed, coincidentally, in tandem with a model that was 
> also originally going to be called the Appaloosa, but never went beyond 
> prototype form.  It's usually referred to now as tge mystery bike or long 
> bike.)
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:39:43 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> First of all, "welcome,"  and beautiful bikes!
>>
>> I'd encourage you not to give up on getting the appaloosa to fit, even if 
>> it requires some out-of-the-box solutions, or thinking in diferrent ways 
>> than you're accustomed or predisposed to.  Put some miles on it and get to 
>> know it intimately.  And then, if you DO decide it's not ideal as the drop 
>> bar bike you dreamed of, get something else BEFORE you get rid of the 
>> appaloosa.  This group is full of people who sold a Rivendell only to 
>> regret it after the fact.  Your bike might be  perfect as something you 
>> don't yet realize you need.
>>
>> A couple of things you may or may not be aware of:
>>
>> 1.  As with many Riv models, the appaloosa was originally conceived with 
>> a specific handlebar in mind.  In this case it was the Bosco, which was 
>> likewise originally made FOR the Appaloosa.   You could descibe that as 
>> drop bar- or moustache bar-like, in that it has multiple hand positions, 
>> but it doesn't have the long, forward reach of those bars.  It comes back 
>> TOWARD the rider.  I'm actually sort of surprised Antonio recommended that 
>> stem and reach.  I'd expect that to work for me, with my abnormally-long 
>> torso, but not normal people.
>>
>> 2.  Stems are available with very short reach, or none at all:
>>
>>
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem?variant=40095824674993
>>
>> Grant recently blahged about a bike with a stem turned around and 
>> reaching backward  and said it felt totally normal.
>>
>> 3.  Another thing Grant has discussed better than I can, is the 
>> self-negating effect of raising your stem without ALSO shortening it.  (Not 
>> even sure I paraphrased that properly, but it's worth reading before you 
>> mess around with things too much.)  I think that one is on the website 
>> articles.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:20:53 PM UTC-7 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
>>> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
>>> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
>>> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, 
>>> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
>>> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
>>> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>>
>>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>>> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
>>> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
>>> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
>>> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I 
>>> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright 
>>> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar 
>>> endurance/all-roadish bike. 
>>>
>>> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the 
>>> bars are 5" above the saddle. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and you're 
happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be a 
bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree with 
Riv that a 7cm stem should help but I'm concerned that you'll still find 
the Homer kinda big-ish. 

Joe Bernard, who fits a 55 Chev with pullbacks and would need a 51 Homer 
for drops 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I used 
>> to bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently gotten 
>> back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional bike fit 
>> sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended and 
>> reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck bike 
>> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
>> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics per 
>> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  day-long 
>> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
>> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
>> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. I 
>> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I am 
>> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have about 
>> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>>
>>> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
>>> time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they 
>>> can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for them. 
>>>  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that 
>>> a reasonable assumption?
>>>
>>> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves 
>>> are usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
>>> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you had 
>>> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  
>>>
>>> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently 
>>> an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do you 
>>> want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  
>>>
>>> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
>>>> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
>>>> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
>>>> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, 
>>>> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
>>>> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
>>>> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>>>
>>>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>>>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>>>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>>>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>>>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>>>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>>>> ga

[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, that bar is indeed quite wide and deep. I tried a 46cm Noodle many 
years ago and it lasted about two weeks on my bike, it felt like the reach 
doubled! 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all, thank you so much for the replies. To answer some questions and 
> provide additional info: 
> Joe you are correct: 55 Cheviot, 54.5 Homer. I had thought about getting a 
> purple Apaloosa when they went on sale last year, but after talking to 
> Rivendell, realized that the Homer was a better fit for my use case. Once I 
> saw they were offering the butternut/mustard/classic Datsun color, I was 
> in. 
>
>  It's tough picking a size without getting a chance to try the bikes 
> first, so I utilized the PBH sizing Riv recommends--but I do think the 
> frame is a bit large, all things considered. Standover does work for me, so 
> I'm hopeful I can get it to work.  I already have the seat forward on the 
> rails, btw. I will swap the stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next 
>  would be  handlebars, going shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like 
> I shouldn't be afraid of going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm 
> Noodle, which feels wide in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the 
> Breezer, I went with shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of 
> those changes helped a lot. . Oh, and Chris, thanks for reminding me about 
> handlebar diameter. I forgot about the different standards. I think between 
> bar and stem, I can make it work for me. This bike is beautiful (way more 
> than my pic), and I put a lot of thought into the build. In retrospect, I 
> would have gotten the bike fit first, with the Breezer, to get all the #s I 
> need. 
>
> Also, thank you Liz for the detailed fit info and the suggestion regarding 
> quill/threadless adapters for the bike fit. I was wondering how that would 
> work.
>
> --Eitan
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:21:47 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I used to run a 30mm extension (w)right stem from Analog Cycles 
>> paired with a short reach SimWorks Co-Misirlou Bar on my 61 Toyo AHH. I 
>> think a shorter 5cm or even 30mm extension stem will do the trick if you're 
>> set on dropbars 
>> Max 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:18:41 AM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so I have a first gen Homer with drop bars and I totally get your point 
>>> on reach, they do seem to be long bikes.. at least with drop bars fitted. 
>>> Plus, I firmly believe the Riv folks tend to skew to putting folks a bike 
>>> one size too large for them (at least in my experience).. 
>>>
>>> What I did was get the Velo Orange quill stem with removable faceplate. 
>>> This stem allows you to use 31.8 bars (or smaller with shims) and opens up 
>>> a TON more bar options than a traditional quill stem with the smaller 
>>> diameters. I'm currently using Salsa Cowbell bars as they have a shorter 
>>> reach and shorter drop that I MUCH prefer over something like a Noodle.. 
>>> another point is the wider the bars, the longer the reach will feel.. 
>>>
>>> Chris in Sonoma County
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 7:31:28 AM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the standover height is acceptable, then I would argue the larger 
>>>> frame is going to lead to a better fit. I have a hard time with just the 
>>>> raw data which is why I like using bike insights. Comparing the 54.5 and 
>>>> 51 
>>>> Homers, we can see a few important points: the stack is much higher 
>>>> meaning 
>>>> the bars are already starting higher. Even with an effective top tube 
>>>> increase of 15mm, the reach is only 1mm more on the 54.5. Easily mitigated 
>>>> with a stem. Seat is going to land on the same axis with either size, so 
>>>> fit should be very similar with less seatpost and stem showing. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:20:54 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
>>>>> photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
>>>>> accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and 
>>>>> you're 
>>>>> happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be a 
>>>>> bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> Riv that a 7cm stem s

[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Joe Bernard]

Well THIS thread went to the bad place in a basket you hold by the hand. I 
see $445 at Analog as well. Nice cranks, Analog and Peter White are great 
sellers, buy them at one of those places!

Joe "I've called Peter for an order, I hate talking on the phone and he was 
super easy to talk to" Bernard 

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:45:59 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Weird. Analog's price shows as $445 for me. All configurations.
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:20:18 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Saturday 10 February 2024 at 12:20:24 am UTC+11 Andy Beichler wrote:
>>
>> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
>> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>>
>>
>>  The link to Analog Cycles in the original post shows me a price of $693 
>> for the complete cranks. The prices from Peter White, when added up, come 
>> to about $440.
>> [image: 103673.png]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

e bars, the longer the reach will 
>>>>> feel.. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris in Sonoma County
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 7:31:28 AM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the standover height is acceptable, then I would argue the larger 
>>>>>> frame is going to lead to a better fit. I have a hard time with just the 
>>>>>> raw data which is why I like using bike insights. Comparing the 54.5 and 
>>>>>> 51 
>>>>>> Homers, we can see a few important points: the stack is much higher 
>>>>>> meaning 
>>>>>> the bars are already starting higher. Even with an effective top tube 
>>>>>> increase of 15mm, the reach is only 1mm more on the 54.5. Easily 
>>>>>> mitigated 
>>>>>> with a stem. Seat is going to land on the same axis with either size, so 
>>>>>> fit should be very similar with less seatpost and stem showing. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:20:54 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
>>>>>>> photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
>>>>>>> accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and 
>>>>>>> you're 
>>>>>>> happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree 
>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>> Riv that a 7cm stem should help but I'm concerned that you'll still 
>>>>>>> find 
>>>>>>> the Homer kinda big-ish. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Bernard, who fits a 55 Chev with pullbacks and would need a 51 
>>>>>>> Homer for drops 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>> eitanz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I 
>>>>>>>>> used to bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have 
>>>>>>>>> recently 
>>>>>>>>> gotten back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a 
>>>>>>>>> professional 
>>>>>>>>> bike fit sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems 
>>>>>>>>> well-recommended 
>>>>>>>>> and reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the 
>>>>>>>>> buck bike 
>>>>>>>>> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road 
>>>>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>>>>> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance 
>>>>>>>>> athletics per 
>>>>>>>>> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  
>>>>>>>>> day-long 
>>>>>>>>> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
>>>>>>>>> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
>>>>>>>>> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I 
>>>>>>>>> have. I 
>>>>>>>>> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars 
>>>>>>>>> I am 
>>>>>>>>> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have 
>>>>>>>>> about 
>>>>>>>>> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>>>>>>>>>
&

Re: [RBW] Re: I am in Bellingham and would be happy to stop over and measure the bike

[Joe Bernard]

This thread is almost 3 years old. I presume the bike has long since sold. 

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:30:02 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I actually live in the historic (by West Coast standards, anyhow) South 
> Hill neighborhood of Bellingham, WA and would be happy to offer my 
> assistance. Reviewing the thread, the OP mentions living in the PNW but not 
> Bellingham specifically — have we narrowed things down to my fair city?
>
> Jay Lonner
> You-know-where
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Feb 15, 2024, at 6:44 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
> To one and all,
>
> Jay Loner lives just outside of Bellingham, Washington. It would be a 
> question as to whether or not he would be willing to come forward and help 
> Ms. Helen Wilson. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:37:56 PM UTC-8 boru...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I can't ride it but could probably answer questions
>>
>> Andrew at cafe velo is Riv savy and Gary Palmer knows a lot of things 
>> that are different from me and Andrew
>>
>> actually between the three of us we have way more expertise than Helen 
>> could ever use and all would be happy to help am sure
>> 206 eight 23 5070 
>>
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:18:38 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry this got posted under digest, not sure how...
>>>
>>> Why not just measure standover? Easy enough to measure from the floor 
>>> straight up to the middle of the top tube. I would think that would be a 
>>> good indicator of fit for the right person.  I always try to go with 
>>> standover due to BB height, how Rivendell measures, etc.  After owning 9+ 
>>> Rivendell bikes Stand Over and TT length are to 2 figures I want to see.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:08:25 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> One caveat about the sizing that's been worked out before folks think 
>>>> it's too tall for them: I believe in that schematic the seattube has been 
>>>> measured to the very tip of the lug, which is where that 65cm number is 
>>>> coming from. Rivendell measures to the top of the toptube as it crosses 
>>>> the 
>>>> seattube, which I think will be a number closer to the toptube number of 
>>>> 61, i.e., the frame is probably 62 x 61cm. Just a guess of course and no 
>>>> slight on Helen's measuring, she's doing the best she can with what folks 
>>>> have told her to measure. 
>>>>
>>>> I also offer my condolences, I'm very sorry for your loss. 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:36:02 PM UTC-7 LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Helen,
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my condolences. It's a hard thing losing one's spouse and Life 
>>>>> partner. I wish you much peace. Second, alas the bike is a touch too big 
>>>>> for me. You'll have no trouble selling that beauty!
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> lyle f bogart dpt
>>>>> Tacoma, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:24:54 PM UTC-7 hm_w...@hotmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Curt Goodrich built Rivendell Road bike with custom paint by Joe Bell
>>>>>> -Phil Wood hubs built to Sun CR18 rims
>>>>>> -SHIMANO Deore XT m772 rear derailer
>>>>>> -Deore XT cantilever brakes
>>>>>> -Nitto handlebars and stem
>>>>>> -Silver bar-end shifters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Immaculately cared for.  Stored in climate controlled garage.
>>>>>> Located in Pacific Northwest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking $2000, plus shipping if applicable.
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Joe Bernard]

Emphasizing one point Bill mentioned, slide the driveside crank on the 
spindle SLOWLY and stop before you think a ring may hit the frame. Ask me 
how I learned this! 😣

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
> has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>
> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>
> -pedal wrench
> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
> socket, maybe both
> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>
> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>
> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>
>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>
>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>> is my first attempt.
>>
>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>
>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Joe Bernard]

If the BB spindle you're testing out is too short yes, a chainring with hit 
the chainstay. If you slide it on and there's no resistance as the ring 
gets close..STOP. Not gonna work, pull the crank back and prepare to pull 
that BB and get a longer one in there. 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:53:49 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Thanks for all of the tips.
>
> I appreciate the acknowledgement of the STAND. I do not have one and 
> there's no chance of finding room for one in my apt. Someday that will 
> change . . .
>
> I'm not sure what a crank bolt washer looks like? Maybe I'll know when I 
> see it. I'm assuming it would be under the initial bolt--revealed when I 
> remove that? And I gather that I should be aware that the small ring may 
> hit the chainstays as I'm putting on the new crank? Good to know.
>
> It will be a bit before I get the cranks and have time to work, but I'll 
> post back here with the result. Maybe useful for anyone with a Sam that 
> wants to try a 115mm bb with VO cranks.
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 5:00:46 PM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>
>> Also, if you do end up removing the BB, the drive side is 
>> reverse-threaded, so lefty-tighty, righty-loosey.
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-6 Drurad (Sacramento) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I second the disclaimer to check for washer prior to using crank 
>>> puller.  
>>>
>>> -Andrew
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Shoji Takahashi  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put on 
 the crank puller!

 good luck,
 shoji
 Arlington MA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  
>
> Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in 
> a proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on 
> the ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  
> There is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike 
> without 
> a work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, 
>> and has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>>
>> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>>
>> -pedal wrench
>> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
>> socket, maybe both
>> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank 
>> puller
>>
>> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and 
>> test fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap 
>> caliper 
>> would be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring 
>> will 
>> hit the frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already 
>> crashed your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  
>> Aside 
>> from that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm 
>> would be a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>>
>> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  
>> In some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an 
>> issue.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>>
>>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option 
>>> at the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the 
>>> road.
>>>
>>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and 
>>> this is my first attempt.
>>>
>>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm 
>>> BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently 
>>> have 
>>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to 
>>> know 
>>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>>
>>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest 
>>> a 
>>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if 
>>> so, 
>>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Joe Bernard]

Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
check the derailer hanger adjustment. 

Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
> type road bike.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
>> out in mere hours. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
>>> did during the pandemic.
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
 supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 

 Eric

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 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given 
> up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the 
> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>
> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
> to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
> will have evened out by now. 
>
> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Joe Bernard]

I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not buying a frame! 

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>
> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>> type road bike.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
>>> out in mere hours. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
>>>> did during the pandemic.
>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so 
>>>>> maybe supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have 
>>>>>> given up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
>>>>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>>>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
>>>>>> to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
>>>>>> will have evened out by now. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, 

I totally agree that having some frames left in stock is MUCH better than 
what we've been looking at the last couple years, I just had this exact 
conversation with another list member yesterday. I think it's great that - 
for the moment at least - people will be able to notice a Platypus frame on 
the internet...and buy it! 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:29:48 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I think the presale still went really well, even if they did not sell out 
> of frames. Honestly, I’d like to be able to send people to Rivendell and 
> them to actually have bikes available when I do. There have been many times 
> I’ve been asked about my bike but Rivendell doesn’t have any for purchase. 
> I’ve spent lots of time combing through the internet in hopes of finding a 
> used one for a friend or a stranger on the internet. So, this is good.
>
> Side story: My best friend from Vegas (who moved out of state soon after I 
> did) got a used Platypus from the List. She has a carbon bike and is a 
> triathlete, so I wasn’t sure how it would go. But she loves her new bike. 
> LOVES it. Hers is mermaid and she put pink and white accents on it.
>
> Back to business. Did the dealers get allotments of the Platypuses? I 
> haven’t seen anything on Instagram about it. I think Rivendell started with 
> 50 frames per size at the presale. I hope there is an explosion in the 
> Platypus population out on the roads soon. Which may be the case, since Riv 
> isn’t doing the builds and probably not the prep, either. The turnaround 
> time should be a lot faster. 
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not buying a frame! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
>> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
>> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
>> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>>
>> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>>> type road bike.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>>>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were 
>>>> sold 
>>>> out in mere hours. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
>>>>> did during the pandemic.
>>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so 
>>>>>> maybe supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller 
>>>>>> folks. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have 
>>>>>>> given up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement 
>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>>>>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m 
>>>>>>> keen to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and 
>>>>>>> availability will have evened out by now. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Joe Bernard]

I was reading a book a while back and tried to pinch the screen to zoom in. 
It was a real book. Paper. 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:32:42 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ha! Thanks. On a similar note, I use an iPad exclusively. My wife had 
> something on her laptop and I kept trying to scroll on the screen. Her 
> laptop does not do that…
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:25:13 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> I kept double tapping, trying to “like.”
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> [image: BFA5A389-DD77-4A45-B579-DBF2F60C8BC2.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Because this thread needs some pictures. 
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
 last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
 and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes 
 the 
 bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
 I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
 looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
 degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel 
 as 
 good as the Clem.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:

 

 I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
 Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus 
 than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with 
 a 
 very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 

 mike

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> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
> Susie and a Clem L?
> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
> the 
> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a 
> full 
> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really 
> good 
> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have 
> kept 
> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks 
> I 
> like to ride on the full squish bike.
> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and 
> capable on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some 
> experience riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. 
> The notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem 
> but 
> dedicated to singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
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Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[Joe Bernard]

"It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
shallow."

I have a pretty bike to ride as well and I'm proudly shallow about it. 
Don't hate me for being shallow!

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:36:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
> image6.jpeg]
>
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
> if not for pressing obligations.
>
>
> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
> shallow.
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Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[Joe Bernard]

Also the fall leaves are beautiful. Michigan looks like an amazing place to 
live and ride. 

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:53:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
> shallow."
>
> I have a pretty bike to ride as well and I'm proudly shallow about it. 
> Don't hate me for being shallow!
>
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:36:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>> image6.jpeg]
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
>> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
>> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
>> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
>> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
>> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
>> if not for pressing obligations.
>>
>>
>> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
>> shallow.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride VO Quill Stem? pics? / Orange Appaloosa touch-up paint?

[Joe Bernard]

FWIW I think your Appaloosa looks cool with the flat bar and Periscopa. I 
like the minimalist vibe. 

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:13:16 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> Thanks for the input Jason.  I really wish Nitto made a tall 90 degree (no 
> rise or drop) stem, aluminum one bolt, and/or a steel four bolt version in 
> 25.4mm clamp.  I currently run a Nitto Periscopa (30 degree rise, 80mm 
> reach).  It works fine with Sim Works Little Nick flat bars, but I prefer 
> the look of a 90 degree stem.  Was thinking of settling for the VO one bolt 
> fillet brazed Quill, but that still has a rise of 17 degree and its 26mm 
> clamp, so i'd need a shim. VO 2 bolt is sold out and is 31.8mm.  Sim Works 
> has a 90 degree called the Lettuce stem made by Nitto that looks pretty 
> good, but it's not tall enough for my liking.  A few pics of my Appaloosa 
> with the Periscopa:
> [image: DSCF7818 1.jpg][image: DSCF7828.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Joe Bernard]

There's also the Cheviot, which was the Betty in new sizes. Here's the 
geometry including the 50cm, which kinda splits the difference between the 
old 47 and 52. 

https://bikeinsights.com/bikes/5ac6ca66ccd96500145cc388-rivendell-bicycle-works-cheviot?build=base&version=2019



On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:19:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bettys came in 47 and 52cm and mimic pretty closely the Same Hillborne 
> geometry of the same era. I'm an inch taller than your wife and would 
> probably be fine on either of those sizes, I suspect she would be happier 
> on the 47 (if you can ever find one, I've only ever seen 52s up for sale). 
> You'll have better luck finding a 45cm Clem L, I had one with Boscos which 
> made the bike a tad short in the cockpit, I'll bet it would have been 
> perfect for her. (I'm referring to the older 26-inch-wheel bike, the new 
> 650B model is a longer-toptube frame).
>
> With either of these frames there's quite a lot of sizing leeway to be had 
> with handlebar choice cuz there's no high toptube to mess with. 
>
> For someone who doesn't want to shift much I recommend a 1x drivetrain. My 
> custom uses a SRAM trigger shifter and derailer, 36t front ring and SunRace 
> 11-50 11-speed cassette. I do shift a lot and it's partially cuz the thing 
> is so simple and easy to operate.*
>
> *My shifter is upside down and backwards on the left cuz I have a dodgy 
> right hand. It's supposed to be under the bar on the right.  
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically likes 
>> a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not really in 
>> to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting and trail 
>> rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>>
>> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone have 
>> old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and searched, 
>> but been coming up empty.
>>
>> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt in STL
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Joe Bernard]

And I'm the idiot who didn't even mention the in-stock-available-now 
Platypus. Why am I even on this group?? 🤪🤦

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:48:39 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I agree the 50 cm Platypus would seem to be a fit. And, they are in stock 
> as Leah said which is unusual as of late. Leah has shared her two builds, 
> one fast and one for hauling stuff. They are so versatile!
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 7:35:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 55 Betty vs 55 Platypus
>> [image: image0.png]
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’m 5’6” and my Betty Foy was actually a 55. Riv changed the sizing over 
>> the years; I think my Betty was in their final run. I think it will be 
>> really hard to find that bicycle, but a 50 cm Platypus is a wonderful bike, 
>> and it is available from Rivendell now. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:21:40 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> My wife had a 58cm Betty Foy.  She is about 5' - 6" tall and when we 
>>> visited Rivendell, they advised that as her size.  We were a bit hesitant, 
>>> but upon receiving the completed bike it fit her well since it is a 
>>> step-through.  As noted, Riv recommended (at that time) Albatross 
>>> handlebars - they come back toward the rider and it is nice and upright, so 
>>> good fit is not too difficult.  Thus, I think your wife would fit a 52cm no 
>>> problem.  My wife did use it for commuting purposes, too (until we plugged 
>>> the plug).
>>>
>>> Yes, I think it might be a bit hard to find a Betty Foy.  Maybe the 
>>> Platypus?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically 
 likes a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not 
 really in to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting 
 and 
 trail rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?

 Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone 
 have old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and 
 searched, but been coming up empty.

 She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.

 Thanks,
 Matt in STL

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[RBW] WTB: German mirror

[Joe Bernard]

I've sold off a few of these over the years and of course now I'm one 
short. Anybody got one? 

Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: WTB: German mirror

[Joe Bernard]

Mirror acquired. Thanks everybody! 🙋‍♂️

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 12:52:26 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've sold off a few of these over the years and of course now I'm one 
> short. Anybody got one? 
>
> Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: Private message regarding: FS: New SON delux 12 Hub Dynamo - Centerlock - 32 Holes - 12x100mm - silver anodized

[Joe Bernard]

Well he seems fun 😐

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:56:24 PM UTC-7 thoma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Alex, you’ll probably get a lot fewer requests for pricing if you 
> actually include it in the post. I’m sure you “know what you have” but how 
> can anyone lowball you if you don’t post an asking price? 
>
> Unfortunately, my question remains: how much money do you want for your 
> for sale items?
>
> Thomas in Portland, Oregon
> On Oct 28, 2022, 4:16 PM -0400, Alexander Gutierrez , 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, sorry, if you're gonna low ball me, please dont bother,
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:56 PM Thomas Lawn  wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm curious as to your asking price and shipping to 97214.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:13:49 AM UTC-4 gutier...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Includes SON 12 mm Thru-Axle Adapter.
>>>
>>> Also have a new Nitto UI-12 thread stem - 100mm/31.8 clamp from BlueLug
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Joe Bernard]

>>
>>>>> Russ's video from PBE a few years ago 
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEDra8YR8-s> gives a pretty good 
>>>>> idea of the flow of things. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I found it helpful to do a quick surface walk around all the booths 
>>>>> and displays without stopping, then returning to check out booths that 
>>>>> caught my attention. There is no end of stuff to dive into and people to 
>>>>> chat with. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Things I'd check out this year: Rivendell, Paul Component, King Cage, 
>>>>> Silca, Chapman Cycles, Fat Chance, Sal's Bikes, Jubilee Mfg, Breadwinner, 
>>>>> Merry Sales, White Ind, Velocity, Sinewave. Whoever has good decaf 
>>>>> espresso. Always cool to check in with yr fave brands because they often 
>>>>> have custom swag. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't make it to any of the talks but there are always a few I wish 
>>>>> I had time for. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The bike valet is fun and you'll see lots of great bikes and nice 
>>>>> people who have some overlapping interests. On my way there I got several 
>>>>> shout outs for my Appaloosa from strangers passing by. Plus, the people 
>>>>> you 
>>>>> might run into from this here forum! 
>>>>>
>>>>> A few things that were fun last year: 
>>>>>
>>>>> Riv — James, Vince and Will were there with three demo bikes. Small 
>>>>> booth, no frills, great to meet them and to see a few frames I hadn't 
>>>>> seen 
>>>>> in real life. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Analog/Tanglefoot — An elaborate setup with a cast iron wood stove, 
>>>>> lots of antiques, tree branches, oil lanterns and old albumen print 
>>>>> photographs to set the mood. Then a few Tumbleweed demo bikes, tons of 
>>>>> their custom anodized parts (clamps, ferrules, Nitto racks, seatposts, 
>>>>> etc.). Stickers, hats, coozies. Other stuff I'm forgetting! 
>>>>>
>>>>> VAR tools — Coool French tool maker, straightforward display. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Crust and Casa Verde — A few demo bikes, lots of their MUSA clothing, 
>>>>> maybe some bars and pedals and stuff. Their booth was pretty big. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron's Bikes — Ron brought a lot of his own bikes and had them on 
>>>>> display along with waxed bags, caps, bandanas and Ultradynamico tires. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Champman Cycles — Really fun to see Brian Chapman's work in person, 
>>>>> just incredible. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cobra Frame building — Joe has a very sick frame building shop and 
>>>>> manufactures frame building jigs and equipment. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Wahoo / Zwift?? — There was a big display of stationary trainers set 
>>>>> up with virtual reality screens for at-home riding. Not my thing at all, 
>>>>> they clearly spent the most money for the primo spots but a nice reminder 
>>>>> that "Hey, you are at a Bicycle Expo! Witness the future!" 
>>>>>
>>>>> I was with a friend who is not obsessed with bikes so my trip was 
>>>>> shorter than I would have liked. 
>>>>> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 2:59:50 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With the disclaimer that the chances of me making it to this shindig 
>>>>>> are very low - it's all the way across the country and I hate flying, I 
>>>>>> don't know how the catsitter thing would work, I'm borderline 
>>>>>> agoraphobic..the list goes on! - what exactly IS a bike expo? What 
>>>>>> happens 
>>>>>> there? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe "so many questions" Bernard 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oct 29 and 30, downtown Philadelphia, easily accessible by car, 
>>>>>>> Septa, NJ Transit, Amtrak, Greyhound, etc.,  and bike!  They also have 
>>>>>>> free 
>>>>>>> valet bike parking inside. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/  
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[RBW] FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 each 
shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 

Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins smooth, 
comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 

New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for the 
cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.

Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   

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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Phil sold, Shimano pending. 

Mirrors $20 each shipped. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 each 
> shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>
> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>
> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for the 
> cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>
> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Bottom brackets gone (pro tip: if you have an old Phil price it higher than 
I did, the response was bonkers!) 

Mirrors free for shipping cost, should be about $10 per box. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Phil sold, Shimano pending. 
>
> Mirrors $20 each shipped. 
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 
>> each shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>>
>> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
>> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>>
>> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for 
>> the cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>>
>> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

One mirror left, the longer one with a strap. 

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bottom brackets gone (pro tip: if you have an old Phil price it higher 
> than I did, the response was bonkers!) 
>
> Mirrors free for shipping cost, should be about $10 per box. 
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Phil sold, Shimano pending. 
>>
>> Mirrors $20 each shipped. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 
>>> each shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>>>
>>> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
>>> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>>>
>>> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for 
>>> the cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>>>
>>> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
>>

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