[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
The remedies for throwing chains I've used is careful adjustment of the front derailer, and making those front shifts gently. One rule of them which will contribute to shifting this way is shift before you need to. If you're approaching an incline that will require the granny ring, go ahead and drop down to it before you're at the bottom of the rear gears, then gradually downshift the rear as you start climbing. This has the dual benefits of getting your legs spinning before you hit the hill, and moving the chain slower, and under no load. Whether climbing or descending, the rule of thumb I use came from Ned Overend (old moutain bike racer): Choose the front ring you need for conditions, then fine tune with the rear. I hope this was of some help to you. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:44:51 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/KQcVg7_T-iEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
Zack, I live in a hilly area so I use all three rings pretty often..this may not apply to your terrain. Like you, I ride flattish roads in the middle ring, but when approaching an incline I'll usually shift to the small ring up front before bottoming out the gears in back. So my conditions are granny-ring for up, middle-ring for flat, big-ring for downhill. I'm using the front shifting to establish the parameters, then fine-tuning with the rear. Now here's where this helps with overshifts on the front: Let's say you're in the middle ring, in the highest gear in back. Look down and what do you see? The chain is angling to the right to get to the smallest rear cog. Now you want to shift the front of the chain to the right, also, to get your highest gear. You're more likely to throw the chain past the chainring in this situation because the rest of the chain is veering that way. But let's say you're only in the *middle *rear cogs, then decide to shift the front . Less chance of overthrow, because the chain started out in more of a straight line front-to-back before the front shift. This works the other direction, too. You're more likely to overshift the granny if the chain is already all the way to the spokes in back. I'm sorry if that's not clear, feel free to keep asking questions. Btw, my Rivendell Romulus came to me with a similar drivetrain, and overshifted like the dickens when I first got it. It was a hard lesson.. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:45:28 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: FD was from Riv, I had them do the setup last year when I got the bike. It would surprise me if I had already worn out either a chainring or a casette, only rode the Sam for the end of the summer until now, less than 1,000 miles I would imagine. slipping on the cogs, not the rings. have read the sheldon article on chains, and also the one on chain slip. I tried some grease underneath the bb to see if that will help. was just more interested in riding tips than troubleshooting the derailer stuff, as I have seen lots of tips on the derailers but not much on the riding. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:44:51 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9tXT03iy70QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
What may seem intuitive to me today came from reading exactly the way you're doing now. It may be possible to teach oneself all the shifting tricks strictly from riding and doing, but I prefer to ask someone who already knows them. My front shifting approach was derived from a Bicycling Magazine article witten 20 years ago by Ned Overend..teaching mountain bike racing, of all things. It made sense; I tried it on the road; it worked. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:46:26 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: Joe - Thank you for the response - perfect description, and also the exact opposite of what I have been doing. To some of you guys may just be intuitive or obvious, but it takes me a little bit to catch on to things. I will also tighten the silvers up again. It does seem like I have to * really* have them tight in order for them not to slip on the Sam. I had a Salsa Casseroll that had silvers which was not nearly as finnicky. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:09:35 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: Zack, I live in a hilly area so I use all three rings pretty often..this may not apply to your terrain. Like you, I ride flattish roads in the middle ring, but when approaching an incline I'll usually shift to the small ring up front before bottoming out the gears in back. So my conditions are granny-ring for up, middle-ring for flat, big-ring for downhill. I'm using the front shifting to establish the parameters, then fine-tuning with the rear. Now here's where this helps with overshifts on the front: Let's say you're in the middle ring, in the highest gear in back. Look down and what do you see? The chain is angling to the right to get to the smallest rear cog. Now you want to shift the front of the chain to the right, also, to get your highest gear. You're more likely to throw the chain past the chainring in this situation because the rest of the chain is veering that way. But let's say you're only in the *middle *rear cogs, then decide to shift the front . Less chance of overthrow, because the chain started out in more of a straight line front-to-back before the front shift. This works the other direction, too. You're more likely to overshift the granny if the chain is already all the way to the spokes in back. I'm sorry if that's not clear, feel free to keep asking questions. Btw, my Rivendell Romulus came to me with a similar drivetrain, and overshifted like the dickens when I first got it. It was a hard lesson.. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:45:28 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: FD was from Riv, I had them do the setup last year when I got the bike. It would surprise me if I had already worn out either a chainring or a casette, only rode the Sam for the end of the summer until now, less than 1,000 miles I would imagine. slipping on the cogs, not the rings. have read the sheldon article on chains, and also the one on chain slip. I tried some grease underneath the bb to see if that will help. was just more interested in riding tips than troubleshooting the derailer stuff, as I have seen lots of tips on the derailers but not much on the riding. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:44:51 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/C5xujb6uRMgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw
[RBW] Re: Suspicious? Protovelo for sale on CL
This story gets weirder by the minute. I texted Karla. I think she's mad at me... Joe Is it something I said? Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:29:54 AM UTC-7, Dave Rivbike wrote: I know the story on this. It was built by Scott States. He owns Discount Muffler and Brakes next door to Riv HQ. You may have seen the blue bike hanging there when you visited. He built the frame to show his brazing skills. I asked him about this and he told me to REPORT THE BIKE AS STOLEN. d...@rivbike.com On Apr 23, 4:12 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Say it ain't so! On Monday, April 23, 2012 11:40:19 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Believe it or not, not everybody knows/cares what brand their handlebars are. On Friday, April 20, 2012 1:11:55 PM UTC-5, velobandit wrote: Hi everyone, I thought you all should know this... I came across this Protovelo ad on CL. The owner knows nothing about this bike, not even the brand of the handlebars said that the bars had fancy emblems. Said she owned it for 2 years and longest ride was 20 miles in one day. Do you know anything about this bike? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2922136213.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/S5ZioG2uzUkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Suspicious? Protovelo for sale on CL
If this is a scam, Karla doesn't seem to be in on it. Se insists she was fitted for the bike, and it's a Toyo. She also seems to think Discount Muffler's blue bike is still hanging on a wall there. Beats me. On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:49:35 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody just posted a warning ad on SFCL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2976672081.html The plot thickens! Hopefully referred to SFPD to handle. Or do they not do as good a job as Santa Fe, NM sheriff's deputies? :-) On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:50:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: This story gets weirder by the minute. I texted Karla. I think she's mad at me... Joe Is it something I said? Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:29:54 AM UTC-7, Dave Rivbike wrote: I know the story on this. It was built by Scott States. He owns Discount Muffler and Brakes next door to Riv HQ. You may have seen the blue bike hanging there when you visited. He built the frame to show his brazing skills. I asked him about this and he told me to REPORT THE BIKE AS STOLEN. On Apr 23, 4:12 pm, wrote: Say it ain't so! On Monday, April 23, 2012 11:40:19 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Believe it or not, not everybody knows/cares what brand their handlebars are. On Friday, April 20, 2012 1:11:55 PM UTC-5, velobandit wrote: Hi everyone, I thought you all should know this... I came across this Protovelo ad on CL. The owner knows nothing about this bike, not even the brand of the handlebars said that the bars had fancy emblems. Said she owned it for 2 years and longest ride was 20 miles in one day. Do you know anything about this bike? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2922136213.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hyUygySoQAQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East and SimpleOne
What is protecting the toptube? Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:41:30 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: After the entirely justified derision I received over bar height/rotation/saddle tilt issues after posting some interim pics of my SimpleOne a few weeks back, I thought I'd post a couple of the final build, completed the night before Riv Rally East, which I hope will be more soothing to the group: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6960316848/sizes/l/in/set-72157629391118347/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107644857/in/photostream As Steve Palincsar rightly pointed out at dinner Friday night before our Saturday departure, however, it may not be the best idea to finish a build the night before a 65 or 70 mile trail ride. His advice proved accurate when, around lunch time Saturday, the bike's rider complained of a wobbly pedal, and when I checked it, the left crank arm *came off in my hand. *And the crank bolt was missing! But the gods were smiling -- we walked up the trail and found the bolt about 150 yards away, and a passing Boy Scout Troop leader was carrying a crank bolt wrench -- that's being prepared, for sure. Even heedless knuckleheads (that's me!) catch a break now and again! -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rQpSVSeCY4YJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East and SimpleOne
Thanks, I've seen these around recently, and think they're an elegant solution to an aggravating issue. On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:36:51 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: It's a Kashimax frame protector. http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=188_838products_id=640zenid=1fd627f1b0374a57316ffb0539882cf4 Ridiculously expensive, but I love them -- indestructible, don't move unless and until you want them to, install in seconds and infinitely adjustable in seconds, and the spring design leaves a little gap that the rear brake cable can go through. Great product. Kind of ugly, though, and definitely not DIY. Here's another pic of one on my son's Quickbeam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5645450187/in/set-72157626433454817/ I also used one on the downtube to protect a rebuilt MB-2 from damage from an over-rotated Paul Flatbed. Can't find a pic. -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Bernard *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:09 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East and SimpleOne What is protecting the toptube? Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:41:30 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: After the entirely justified derision I received over bar height/rotation/saddle tilt issues after posting some interim pics of my SimpleOne a few weeks back, I thought I'd post a couple of the final build, completed the night before Riv Rally East, which I hope will be more soothing to the group: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6960316848/sizes/l/in/set-72157629391118347/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107644857/in/photostream As Steve Palincsar rightly pointed out at dinner Friday night before our Saturday departure, however, it may not be the best idea to finish a build the night before a 65 or 70 mile trail ride. His advice proved accurate when, around lunch time Saturday, the bike's rider complained of a wobbly pedal, and when I checked it, the left crank arm *came off in my hand. *And the crank bolt was missing! But the gods were smiling -- we walked up the trail and found the bolt about 150 yards away, and a passing Boy Scout Troop leader was carrying a crank bolt wrench -- that's being prepared, for sure. Even heedless knuckleheads (that's me!) catch a break now and again! -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rQpSVSeCY4YJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code
[RBW] Re: Sam possibly for sale
Aimless interest? On Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:32:01 AM UTC-7, Duplomacette wrote: Thinkin' my attempt here on RBW is over. Thanks to those who showed aimless interest. On Apr 18, 4:35 pm, Duplomacette jjrhildr...@gmail.com wrote: I am seeing if anybody in the Mpls/St. Paul area is interested in a 52 orange Waterford Sam complete. I'm not completely opposed to shipping but a local sale would be easier for both parties. The bike was built up at Hiawatha Cyclery and has a guesstimated 500-1000 miles on it. I certainly don't NEED to sell it but if it went to a good home for the right price I'd be willing to part with it and make room in my already cramped garage for my new Riv. I can email the build list to anyone interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rz9dZEeMMIUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question regarding listing my Hunq on eBay
I agree with storing it, and not selling until you know the longterm job situation. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On May 7, 11:37 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: There is no blue book of used bike values. I know some of you gents are patient and willing to wait for minty specimens offered for 50% of retail. Others are willing to pay a bit more to avoid weeks or months of bargain shopping and haggling. I've sold many used Rivs and other desirable pre-owned bicycles, and had people on this list email me lowball offers or otherwise suggest that my price was too high, only to sell the thing at my asking price a few hours or a few days later. There are a lot of factors that go into it, but in Riv's case MSRP has sometimes risen steeply, and availability of some models in some sizes has been spotty. I always say, if the right buyer comes along, price doesn't matter much, but if the right buyer doesn't come along, price doesn't matter much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Help me choose my next Riv!
I'd get a Roadeo for fast club rides, deck out the AHH for touring, and use the Rockhopper for singletrack. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On May 9, 7:06 pm, Tim tki...@comcast.net wrote: Ok, please help me out. I had to send my fork to Waterford to have the stuck stem removed and the gravity of not having a second Riv has sunk in. I'm stuck riding a way too small Cannondale or an old Specialized Rockhopper which is, although a decent bike, also too small (and not a Riv.) So, now it's time to choose. Right now I have a 63cm AHH with noodle bars and longboard fenders. At least 90% or more of my riding is on the road. I did a supported Southern Tier tour last summer and would like to do at least one, unsupported (though lightly loaded) tour this year and more in the future. I like the occasional fast club ride. In fact, I really, really like them, but I'm not as fast as I used to be (51 with 2 artificial knees.) I bought the old MTB for single track last year and found it to be a blast. So my dilemma: Which should be my next Riv? Hunqa or Rodeo? I will eventually have both but I'll order one of them probably very soon. By the time I get Homer's fork back I'll have been without it for 3 weeks and that, my friends, is unacceptable. I love the fast riding and I actually was planning on the Rodeo when I got the AHH but changed my mind after talking with Keven and Grant. Do you guys think the Rodeo is too close to the Homer and too limited? I guess if I got it I would probably go with racks and more of a touring setup for Homer. Or if I got the Hunqa, maybe I could strip down Homer and use it for the clubbish rides. But where does that leave the occasional single track foray? What say ye all? Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Help me choose my next Riv!
Get the Bombadil. A true mountain bike; great name; great green paint. It's a little more expensive, but a few months from now you won't miss the money. Hey, it's only money! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DXSdgUyO-CYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Small Sackville Saddlesack issue
I doubt Grant intended for the bottom to be utterly flat at all times. He often mentions how a bag's capacity can be pushed beyond it's listed numbers when stuffed fully, which he considers a benefit. Not that you have to stick with that concept, I'm just saying the Sackville is probably operating as designed. Joe I really should sell mine since I never use it Bernard Vallejo, CA. On May 13, 8:16 pm, Brian Campbell bdcampbel...@gmail.com wrote: I cut the side out of a large plastic cat litter container (37lb tidy cat) and shaped it to fit. Works well. On Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:44:53 PM UTC-4, Joe K wrote: Thanks, Thomas. BTW, my load has been small: a coiled cable lock, spare tube, tire repair stuff -- shouldn't sag. I think the issue is that the flat platform has a large surface area: ca. 9 1/4 x 11 3/4 inches, and coroplast isn't up to the job. I'll report back on my continuing experiments! Joe On May 12, 5:22 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I have a SaddleSack Small I've only used a little. I have had all of the other SaddlSacks, though, and have never had this problem. I have worried about this problem, though, for the Small in particular (as it has no underlying rack support when I use it) and for the others when I carry them off the bike. I can only assume the reason this hasn't happened to me sometime is because I happen never to jave carried anything heavy with a small footprint on the corroplast. I wonder if gluing something long and stiff near one or more edges of the corroplast might help stiffen the whole corroplast platform. Perhaps one or more wooden (or bamboo :)) rulers? Or flat stiff metal piece(s)? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Group response - Stolen Rivendell Posted on Ebay
Did Manny ever get his new bike from Rivendell? I'd love to know what he got. Joe Bernard vallejo, CA. On May 14, 7:30 am, Pam Ellen Hudson pammieel...@gmail.com wrote: What a great group - Good luck getting the bike back!! I wouldn't want to own a bike with that history, for one. Bad karma. My other thought is that if the seller is an actual business - you could bring a suit for conversion or other torts. . . BTW, I'm still looking for Manny's bike to show up here in Ventura and/ or Los Angeles. . . .I know he's North but you never know . . . All my family's early bikes (1978 Raleigh, 1980 Mongoose, 1987 Raleigh, and 1988 Ross) were lost due to theft. . .so I'm sensitive to this topic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just got back from a 10 mile ride...
I tried Albas on several different bikes, and even though I have short arms, the reach-back was too much. I felt cramped and my hands/arms hurt. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On May 19, 9:16 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: That must be it, damn 8th grade girlfriend taught me all wrong most likely. I will start juggling carbon bikes, they are so lightweight after all. On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:08 AM, MSmith bee...@gmail.com wrote: Peter M wrote: ...my arms were killing me. I have been juggling a few different bikes lately... I suggest you stop juggling bicycles and your arms will stop hurting. Or maybe start by juggling balls or beanbags, then clubs, then maybe chainsaws or bowling balls. It takes a lot of practice before you start with bicycles. By that time your arms will be used to it and they won't hurt as much. Good luck- Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
Suh-weet! That color, those bars..it looks very much like my new-to-me XO-1. This is a very good thing. Enjoy, Manny! On May 21, 2:40 pm, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote: Manny: The only thing better than new is that it's orange! Passion cannot be bought, it's something you learn over time and repetition. Others' interest may wane through your pursuit, your peers may not be those with whom you started but rather who have done the same as you. Compassion cannot be taught, it's learned from the help of others when in need. What's clear in your words and pictures is that you have both, your students are lucky to have such and example on role model! ANDY Pittsburgh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New build and grease
Phil. Because it's a cool company, and their stuff works. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:33:32 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote: I use the Phil grease. I figure I'm not running a shop so I can buy fancy expensive grease. Tried white lithium but it tends to get dry and tacky. Ryan On May 22, 3:44 am, Tim tki...@comcast.net wrote: I'm doing my first ever new build this weekend. I have a new blue 52cm Sam coming on Wednesday and all the parts and am building it up for my girlfriend. So what kind of grease do you guys think is best? And do you use the same grease for everything, BBs, stems, seatposts, cranks, etc.? I was reading some of the old Peeking Through the Knothole and Grant likes the blue, Sta-Lube marine grease. Has anyone tried that. BTW, my girlfriend is not an avid rider like me, so I doubt that the new Sam will be ridden in the rain and muck, etc., but still, I want the good goop, since I only have just your everyday, any ol' grease right now. Also any other suggestions for my first build would be great. I have had every part of a bike off and on at some time or another except deraillers. Thanks all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1QwfCPtkBO8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: front derailleur cage tweaking
The double-shim on the non-drive side may help. It sounds like your derailer is struggling with the short BB. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:21:34 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote: Whoo-boy... Okay, I've read though that, but still didn't solve it... Derailleur is, 2mm, above the big ring when out that far. Cage is correctly rotated, so the outer plate is parallel to the chain. But with no cable tension, even with the cable removed and the L-screw turned to ring the plate inward as far as possible, it's still not inward enough... Thoughts I've had: Shim the derailleur to angle it such that, keeping the cage parallel to the chain, the bottom edge of the inner plate is swung towards the seat post; Remove the seat post shim from the derailleur clamp, then double it on the left side, leaving it off the crank side; Bend the cage so that it is closer to the seat post; Any better ideas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2h48PhLzWDIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Long cage rear derailer options in silver
Campy makes a silver long-cage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wimWub_nEu4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long cage rear derailer options in silver
I thought of that after I hit send. Oops! I found a nice NOS Sachs Quarz MTB mech on Ebay a while back. You should be able to find something in similar condition if you hunt long enough. If you're shifting friction with 7-speed-or-less, there's some nice Suntour derailers around which will climb that 36-tooth cog. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:24:11 PM UTC-7, Scot Brooks wrote: Joe, that Campy is gorgeous but only wraps up 29t per their specs. I know there's a little cushion there, but I might be pushing it with 36t. On Saturday, June 2, 2012 7:35:50 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: Campy makes a silver long-cage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AJ4DQE_gFvcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville Saddlebag Support
The hupe is a danger to your paint just trying to install it. It's a bugger to get right, so if you're as paranoid about nicks/scratches as I am, you might want to avoid it. I too have heard reports that it will dig in if heavily loaded. If I ever use mine again, it will be on a pre-beausaged bicycle. Joe Bernrd Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 4, 2012 7:38:27 AM UTC-7, TSW wrote: Really- how heavy? Have others had this happen- the hupe digging into your frame? On Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:48:54 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: I highly suggest a rack, if your planning any outdoor trip. The carradice quick release is great but the actual support starts to wiggle after a couple bumpy rides. The hupe I hear good things only if you plan on packing light with the bag. Anything heavy and the hupe cuts into your frame. On Sunday, June 3, 2012 12:26:52 PM UTC-7, Adam wrote: Greetings All, I use a Sackville Saddlebag size medium - http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassm.htm and I'm getting some rub on my rear tire. I am thinking of purchasing a carradice bagman support, expedition size, and wonder if anyone else has used this combination? I was originally looking for a silver hupe but they have been discontinued. If you have a used hupe or a bagman support for sale please let me know. Thanks, Adam On Sunday, June 3, 2012 12:26:52 PM UTC-7, Adam wrote: Greetings All, I use a Sackville Saddlebag size medium - http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassm.htm and I'm getting some rub on my rear tire. I am thinking of purchasing a carradice bagman support, expedition size, and wonder if anyone else has used this combination? I was originally looking for a silver hupe but they have been discontinued. If you have a used hupe or a bagman support for sale please let me know. Thanks, Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qySl56u7mG8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Front Rack Bag on Romulus
I had this exact setup on my Romulus. Berthoud, Mark's Rack, Ruffy Tuffys. As others have said, I could feel a difference, but nothing disconcerting. I used a small seatbag for tools tube. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 4, 2012 3:25:20 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I notice an effect on handling due to a front Lil' Loafer on both my Atlantis and my SH. It slows the steering in a way that is noticeable on steep downhill turns. I can see how it could be something that some would be willing to live with and adjust to while others would not. I have been in the former group. For almost all my riding on the bikes, I don't notice it much. Interesting related note: it was more noticeable on the SH when I had drop bars on it set up almost identically to the Atlantis. The slowing of steering was greater for drop-bar SH than it is for drop-bar Atlantis. However, my current (and usual) set-up for SH has been 200 mm Bullmoose. In that configuration, I don't really notice a steering effect due to a front Lil' Loafer. The entire ride is generally slower and more relaxed, however. -Jim W. -Original Message- From: Darin G. Sent: Jun 4, 2012 7:32 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Front Rack Bag on Romulus All, I'm doing my first Brevet in 12 days on my Romulus. I have a Berthoud bag mounted on my Atlantis with a front rack and a decaleur and I am considering mounting the bag on a Mark's Rack on my Rom for this event. I think the front bag effects handling on the Atlantis, but not in a dramatic way, and I am wondering if anyone has tried one on the Rom with the skinnier Ruffy Tuffy's. Part of my concern may come from reading too much BQ. Very powerful koolaid there on needing low trail to make it work, but I seem to see plenty of front bags on Rambouillets and A. Homer Hilsen, so a few words of reassurance would be appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3NIeOb8ZZMcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7gN4qpT6ER8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 56cm AHH/Hiluki still for sale
Is the creamsicle bike a rebadged Saluki, too? Me thinks you have it confused with the green one. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:06:52 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: I could sell the frameset and wheels for $1,500 if anyone was interested. Alfine wheel done by Harris in the rear, front is Rich built, will include the Hetres. Thanks. Peter On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry, its Frame, Fork, Headset and Brakes. Thanks. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Peter, are you selling the bike complete or F/F/HS/brakes? -thanks-Mike On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: So a few lookers but nothing concrete, my 56cm AHH is still for sale here. It is technically a Hiluki, Serial number SA 226. It has all the rack fittings of the new Hilsens on the midfork and mid seat stay, one eyelet on the front fork, two on the back dropout. Has a kickstand plate, and cast in ridges on bottom bracket. A really top shelf example of a bike that is used but not abused or ridden hard. Again color is School bus Yellow but looks more like creamsicle to me. Will include dia compe centerpulls and kookstop pads. Bike has no damage, dents dings etc. I paid $1100 shipped two months ago and haven't added any damage or real use and even framesavered the frame and repacked the headset so really don't want to take a big loss here. Looking for $1050 shipped in super secure box to lower 48. Here is a link to my Flikr page, thanks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sGoGCHb3WiwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grip King Supremes will be back soon
The middle area of the Grip King pedal has a slight dip to it, and feels kinda empty. It doesn't bother me much, but when it came time to purchase new pedals for other bikes a few weeks ago, I went back to RMX. I can see why some would be happier with Grip Kings with the modification. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:07:10 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:45:35 PM UTC-7, William wrote: My parents are coming to visit this weekend, and my Pop has indicated that he's got another batch of Grip King Supreme cages in the works. He's more of a process engineer, so he's spending all his time on making tooling and jigs so a monkey can make cages. Like I said before if we were paying him for time and materials I'd charge $750 a set for these. But, he enjoys it and he is making them, so I need to either hoard them or sell them. $25 a pair shipped was the price last time and all the feedback I received on those was positive. I do not know how many I'll have this weekend, and I will attempt to first service those that emailed me a few months back on the last batch. Let me know if you want to be on the list. Photos show what they are: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629107195978/ Pedals not included ;-) Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. I don't have grip king pedals, but can you explain why your modification is needed? Was there a design flaw in the original pedal that requires this modification? I was thinking of getting a pair of these pedals, but if it needs this piece to make it work, forgetaboutitThanks! Good Luck! Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/d1IZyN-vIOEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Ritchey...check this one out
Beautiful. Mid-'90s mountain bikes are pretty great. Joe 95 Marin Indian Fire Trail Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, June 8, 2012 1:49:11 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: I'll guess 96ish? Yep that look right. The decals are almost identical to the ones on my Ritchey Road Logic that I bought in 1996. My Road Logic is as clean or cleaner than the soft tail. Both are great bikes! Thanks for those photos. On Jun 8, 11:35 am, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: Every once in a while a bike will come through our service department that stops me in my tracks. This is one of those. A beautiful Ritchey soft tail with basically a full build of period correct XTR. I'll guess 96ish? Like a time capsule from one of the most exciting times in MTB. Such a clean use of the Ericson suspension. Being a light weight climber (back in the day), the first gen SID rode like a dream for me and I can only imagine this bike would have been knocking on the twisty singletrack nirvana door. I hope it's on the way back to the trails after whatever service is being performed. I only had my phone but managed a few pictures. http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/sets/72157630081887166/with... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hO5Fl2ng-RkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Rally Bay Area Edition.
It's an awesome photo. On Saturday, June 9, 2012 5:28:06 PM UTC-7, René wrote: I actually like it better! Kudos to your little brother. René On Saturday, June 9, 2012, Manuel Acosta wrote: My little brother says I lack flyer making skills. He told me he could make a better one. http://flic.kr/p/ccTqjs While I agree that this is a better flyer, the typo is just right. I'm not happy with the photo. Feel free to post this around. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7mEfO1IrWGMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dBYP6I-0XLwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here, and to RBW
It'll be interesting to hear your thoughts on friction shifting with power-ratchet shifters..I presume you've been shifting index on your Volpe. I thought I would never adapt to friction, but kind of stumbled into it when I bought a couple of bikes with the old Suntour shifters (bar-ends on one, thumbies on another). I figured I would deal with it because that's what they came with, but would prefer indexing if given the choice. Until I bought a couple more bikes with clicks. Nope. Now the loud, clunky index shift drives me crazy. I love the silent, smooth action of power ratchets, and find it just about impossible to miss a shift. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 11, 2012 8:41:41 AM UTC-7, lumpy wrote: now let's just see how funky this volpe will look with albatross bars :) Ordered albatross bars, cork grips, silver bar end shifters, brake levers, and cabling…. On Jun 10, 8:47 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: My first nice bicycle was a Bianchi Campione D'Itatlia in about 1982. Grant is right on that's a good bicycle and with a few mods you will get comfy. You'll then have something to ride while you save for a Rivendell. This will also give you time to figure out what you want. Time will always refine your tastes and needs. Tis a good decision you are making. On Jun 9, 8:02 pm, lumpy davele...@gmail.com wrote: so got a chance to meet Grant this afternoon for a quick spin on a 56 Sam Hillborne and a look at what can be done to make my Bianchi Volpe a bit more comfy. Very nice experience there with everyone - Grant assured me that the Volpe is an excellent bike, and gave the suggestion of albatross bars with a longer stem to get me more upright. I think it's worth a shot, and while it is a further investment in a bike I don't yet truly love.Grant's conviction that the volpe can and will serve me well has me with a $200+ shopping cart on rivbike.com oh, and my PBH was more accurately measured at just below 85. On Jun 8, 12:01 pm, lumpy davele...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure a 56. Heading to RBW tomorrow and should know better then. I measured my PBH at just under 81cm and I'm just over 5'8 On Thursday, June 7, 2012 3:48:49 PM UTC-7, pb wrote: What size do you ride/need? :-) On Jun 6, 3:52 pm, lumpy davele...@gmail.com wrote: Hey now, Looks like a fun group here. I live in the bay area and am taking my first trip out to Rivendell this weekend to take a look at some of these beauties in person. I currently ride a Bianchi Volpe, and even with a stem extender can't get the more upright comfort I'm looking for. Doubtful if I can afford a Rivendell this weekend, but I'm certainly going to start saving and scouring craigslist! Mostly a commuter, with occasional longer rides. Commute is 18 miles round trip, and a longer ride for me these days is 20-30. I've ridden steel frames since I started biking in 2003, but mostly on a Marin aggressive bike...only switching to a bianchi last year. Looking forward to learning how comfortable a bike can actually be ;) Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/knVU-yGxcZwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sacramento CycleFest
A Nexus 3-speed suicide shifter mounted on the seattube. I love the cruiser guys! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, June 10, 2012 2:18:45 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote: Lots of cool bikes, including more than a few Riv-Before-There-Was-A-Rivendell-ish classics, at today's Sacramento CycleFest. Photos prove it happened: http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/7358775652/in/set-72157630034934087/lightbox/ --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CloP9_sEsfAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New (to me) Berthoud Rack
I recently purchased a couple of these. It's a nice bag for layers, mini-pump/tools, sandwhiches and such, but I wouldn't rely on it for a stack of books. The design wouldn't stress the seatpost, though, as the rack would likely pivot down from the end of its stem-mount before the stem could get much leverage on the seatpost. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 11, 2012 4:37:34 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Just cruising around ebay doing some window shopping, came across this http://www.ebay.com/itm/GILLES-BERTHOUD-Rack-Mount-Saddlebag-GB604-Rivendell-Touring-Brevet-Bag-/160821528977?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2571b5c991 This is a new one to me, looks like alot of stress on the seatpost to me if bag was really loaded but maybe I am wrong. I am sure this is not new but just the first time I have seen this type of setup. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MxmInIYsJXgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New (to me) Berthoud Rack
This Berthoud exists for one reason, and cost/practicality ain't it: It's a lovely trunk-type bag for bikes without saddle loops or racks. It's not the most cost-effective, and won't take a touring load for overnight campouts. I like them because they look beautiful on the loopless/rackless bikes I mounted them on, and carry the types of loads I generally carry on bicycles. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:40:28 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: +1 for the SQR. I've owned (and sold!) a number of them and it is a very effective and reasonably priced device. It is limited to 10 kg, but I daresay that the Berthoud device won't hold any more -- nor would you want it to, with the load cantilevered out so far from the saddle. The SQR holds the load closer in while keeping the bag off of your legs. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The Carradice SQR does the same job in a much less obtrusive way. I don't think either designed would impact a a good nitto or similar post. On Monday, June 11, 2012 7:37:34 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: Just cruising around ebay doing some window shopping, came across this http://www.ebay.com/itm/GILLES-BERTHOUD-Rack-Mount-Saddlebag-GB604-Rivendell-Touring-Brevet-Bag-/160821528977?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2571b5c991 This is a new one to me, looks like alot of stress on the seatpost to me if bag was really loaded but maybe I am wrong. I am sure this is not new but just the first time I have seen this type of setup. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/g_KvfzhICYUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ygoIZ_RJSdsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 52cm Silver Quickbeam for sale in Sacramento
It's missing the blue panel decal on the seattube. Is there any decal there at all? Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:51:48 PM UTC-7, Rick Houston wrote: Wife bought a Betty Foy, and we need to finally put it together; in order to make that happen, we're selling Mabel, her beloved Quickbeam. Very low miles, only 6 made in this size. Brooks saddle and Nitto racks removed. $800. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MQgmLXcLsGAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bridgestone poster value
That's amazing. I remember when they were in the dollar box at The Pedaler in El Sobrante all those years ago. I paid $65 for one of each on Ebay a year ago. Still have them unopened in in the tube they came in because I haven't decided where to hang them yet. I guess I should get on that... Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:55:32 AM UTC-7, Scott G. wrote: New old stock are $85 http://www.hortoncollection.com/cycling-posters-modern-era-cat.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MhF-fq6OKtwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Phil 650B wheelset
Mine. Can provide pics when I get home Friday. Pick-up only in SF Bay Area..I'm open to delivering within a reasonable distance. Come get 'em so I can head to Sacramento and buy Rick's Quickbeam. :) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3075447949.html I also have an Electra Amsterdam 3 I don't seem to be riding. $250. Text me at 415-786-4623 and I can text back pics of the bike. Thanks, Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/m1l4ZXEKTAAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The Poster
Just ordered mine. The most recent Blug reports that the poster was a bigger deal to put together than the artist had planned, so these will probably become scarce and expensive in the not-too-distant future. Joe Get yours now! Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:52:38 PM UTC-7, Jim wrote: Ordered mine last night. How can you resist? Jim in Boulder On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:22:05 AM UTC-6, Zack wrote: I placed my pre-order last night. I have to say, I am really excited, I checked out DLG's website and his stuff is awesome. I can't wait to see what he has done for Riv. Anyone else pre-order? 20 bucks is pretty much free for a quality poster. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr6.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hueHLApIlzMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The Poster
From the Blug: But we do wonder how many we can sell sight unseen, and so that’ll be our MO until it’s been leaked. Yeah, I don't get it, either, but the chances that anyone would be disappointed with how the poster turned out are slim. I'm terrible at figuring out how to get pics from camera to computer to bike forum, so I won't be your leaker. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:37:24 AM UTC-7, Peter Pesce wrote: Yesterday's Blug says the first 100 are shipping today (the 19th) so you left-coasters should have them very soon. We easterners will have to wait for the pony express to make its way. Grant also... well... not exactly requested... maybe suggested that nobody post an image of the poster online. Seems odd, given that DLG himself has thumbnails of all his posters on his own site. BTW, what's with the new surprise/secrecy theme at RBW? First a bike to be bought sight unseen, now a poster? On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:22:05 AM UTC-4, Zack wrote: I placed my pre-order last night. I have to say, I am really excited, I checked out DLG's website and his stuff is awesome. I can't wait to see what he has done for Riv. Anyone else pre-order? 20 bucks is pretty much free for a quality poster. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr6.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/WLNX2KT_PAcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Poster
HA! I did exactly the same thing: Didn't look at his other work, ordered a Bosco shirt with the poster. Now if we could just see a painted Bosco bike... On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:35:11 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote: My order is in the queue. Along with a Bosco t-shirt. Am happy not knowing what it looks like. In fact, I haven't even visited the artist's website too look at his other work. This way won't be unduly influenced (either good or bad) in comparison to his other work. That reminds me, have to eventually get my latest Hiawatha Cyclery poster in the frame. Have both the poster and frame. They just haven't met up yet. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: I stopped by RBW and picked up a poster today. It's beautiful, and it includes a 6-page explanation of the process. I'm not posting a sneak peak, though. I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise. jim m wc ca On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:07:20 AM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote: The Petersen-Style-Ride is always a surprise. It's one of its many charms, and definitely Petersen-Style. -Allan On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:30:33 AM UTC-7, Zack wrote: I like a surprise. Precious few of those any more! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/roOaM54JljQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4xzwd9KaDq4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Sackville bags
Too many bags, not enough Brookses to hang them from. Olive green Rivendell Sackville Small, a bit of tire rub on the closing strap, two small metal marks on top from seat springs, used a few times. $90.00 shipped. Olive green Rivendell Sackville XS, two small metal marks on top fom seat springs, used a few times. $50.00 shipped. Get 'em both for a slight discount, swap 'em out depending on the load! Paypal preferred, check ok if you're good with me depositing before I ship. Pics on request. joerem...@gmail.com Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rsLq_kdDmMkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The Poster
This reminds me of the Got my Reader days. Got mine! I won't tell what's in it! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:58:32 PM UTC-7, BSWP wrote: It arrived today... a DLG poster to call my very own. What a beautiful and playful image, and the colors are outstanding. Not as striking as I thought it might be, but the subtle aspects grow on you. And an Easter Egg, if you look carefully enough... nice! My wife likes it too, so it's going to be framed and hung at home. Glad I ordered two posters, I might show one down at my office.. - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Tq7eJElxn0kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell road-style bike for 82 PBH. Rambouillet, Road, Homer, Roadeo, Bleriot, etc.
1700 is a tad high, IMO. I'd offer him 1500, but not in your case: That's a lot of money for a bike that doesn't have the features you're looking for. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:27:53 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: Hello everyone, First I would like to say thank you to everyone for the great tips and offers. I am sorting thru everything now. In the meantime: There is a new condition Romulus going for $1700 at an LBS near me. I am not crazy about the Romulus. I like those cream headtubes the other models have much better. But I can't be too picky. Is 1700 fair, or too much? It was 2200, but he came down to 1700. Is is a 105/Sugino triple, bar ends build. Tell me what'cha think. I think I would rather hold out for a Bleriot or Rambouillet, Saluki, Road, etc. Michael On Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:01:26 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: Frame sizes are all over the place for the different models, so I thought I'd just list my PBH. If you have one you'd like to sell, please let me know. I have wanted a Rivendell road-style drop bar bike for a while, but cannot afford new. So I am looking for used. Again, something along the lines of Road, Rambouillet, Bleriot, Homer, Roadeo. Drop bars. I am not concerned with toothcounts or anything like that. I can change things later if I need to. I just commute and do recreational road riding. Would love to have one and looks like used is the only way it will happen. Please message me or email me at john11.2...@gmail.com Thanks! Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wZ5Uofui8X4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] The Poster--What to do now that you have it
This amused me greatly, as I'm unintentionally doing it right. My poster is currently rolled up in the box it came in, and will probably stay that way for a while because my interest in posters exceeds the wall space to hang them. A year ago I picked up the two Bridgestone posters to replace the ones I owned back in the day (and have no memory of their demise). I bought them because I know there's a diminishing supply and the price wasn't too horrendous. I've never opened the box. Joe Yes, I like the 'having them' Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:28:11 AM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote: I'm planning on putting it in a frame. Has anyone measured the dimensions yet? Thanks, Toshi On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:32 AM, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: In anticipation of receiving my poster, I was pondering how I would mount/frame/hang it. This is the first piece of original art that I will have in the poster medium, and I want to do it right. Not that I ever intend to sell it, but I'd like to at least be able to hand it down in good condition to one of my kids. I thought that this article was comprehensive and realistic for the real world: http://www.artelino.com/articles/care_art_prints.asp. No matter what you decide to do with your poster, it's better to be informed about your choices. (I almost feel like buying another; one to hang, one to store away!). Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AqnpUTQndHoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JMU7fCSZqUAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Poster
Wait..the kid is a real kid? On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:22:53 PM UTC-7, grant wrote: Aha---here's a tiny but significant piece of the mysterie pie-thing: As we sat around eating a triple-birthday party Indian lunch today between phone calls, I mentioned the Feet Thing, and Keven pointed out that during the shoot, the bike was held vertical with a double-leg kickstand, and the balance point of it was such that the front wheel *was* off the ground. So, we reclaim points lost to the Realists, and we mellow slack-cutters win, too. Milo was indeed turning the wheel, as you would, too, if you were two and a half. On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:04:52 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote: I just got mine today and i think i'm in the camp with Rene, i think this is going to grow on me. the color and style was not what i expected (having no DLG context), not bad, just different And i have a framed print of the cycles gladiator poster that grant is talking about (with the naked woman holding onto the handle-bars, only the french!) On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:28:30 PM UTC-4, René wrote: LOL Grant!!! You got me looking and looking at the poster... right? Mission accomplished! The poster is getting framed with glass and a mat and will be hung in my office where I'll be able to look at it every day and change how I feel about it daily as well. Perhaps it will even be the centerpiece of a section of wall I'm planning to dedicate to my Rivendell bikes' photos. Currently I have two framed, the one I took on my first S24O to Mt. Diablo and the one of the Hunqapillar waiting for the train on a foggy January morning which I converted to BW. Great stuff and great story!!! René AKA no poster child... :-) On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM, grant wrote: The feet are the best part! Block out the feet and the image loses its balance. Older bike posters had naked women holding handlebars and flying through the cosmos---I can only imagine the Realist Uproar over that. But Rene, you can't be sure that the bike wasn't suspended above the ground, staged for the photo-shoot. In this photo, Keven was behind Milo, hands on his waist. No children were harmed nor pout at risk during the photo session. If you show up on a Tuesday (Milo's day here at Riv, every week) and his feel are in a cast or bandagedpure coincidence, I swear! G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Xup8shBCIdcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodles or Albas
I've used both, and it's a very different experience. In my opinion, a 2cm difference in stem length will not be enough. Albas sit you WAY back compared to what you are used to. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:30:46 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about giving Albas a try. If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love to hear from you before. Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo. I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot. Any used Albas out there looking for a home? Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/i0D8LdsrNC4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hunqa/Sam Handlebars
Moustache Bars are notoriously hard to recommend/warn-away because everyone has a different reaction to them..usually an extreme one. It's been many years ago now, but I rode technical singletrack with those bars on an XO-3 and liked it. You have the braking position, then the spot further back for climbing. I don't recall struggling to get to the shifters, but I had many miles of use with this setup before I took it off road. I imagine learning Moustache Bars on singletrack would be a challenge. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, June 29, 2012 6:04:42 PM UTC-7, René wrote: I second either Bullmoose bars or Bosco Bullmoose for the technical riding. The first will five you a more traditional MTB-like handling and the second for more general versatility. I've ridden my 58 Hunqapillar with both and actually prefer the Bosco Bullmoose for general riding but haven't tackled really technical stuff with them. For regular singletrack the Bosco Bullmoose are awesome. René -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pXwHLL2I3NAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!
I'm a big fan of those new-fangled road bikes with 36-50 compact cranks, good tire clearance, and rack/fender eyelets. Which Grant invented. In 1992. Bridgestone XO-1. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, July 2, 2012 12:38:00 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I didn't start cycling as an adult until well past the MTB boom years, so wide-range and compact gearing have always existed to me... I'd not want to time-travel back to being limited to square taper cranks, threaded headsets, or cantilever brakes, but I can live with any of these on an otherwise nice bike. My favorite new cycling innovation: Surly Junk Strap. I also like my Brompton and my Rohloff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Vw5eCD2fRVcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] HS/Rosco
Has anyone seen Mystery Bike with paint on it yet? The Blug updates dropped off when Grant went on his book tour. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0I55lOJ-iVUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet. Lugs. You can try to spec a CF frame to duplicate a Rivendell all you want, but you're still not gonna get pretty lugs and contrasting creme panels. No CF for me..I'd miss the lugs, and I don't trust that thin plastic. I watch a lot of Formula One auto racing, and I've seen a lot of CF cars wreck: that stuff snaps into lethal shards. Nuh uh. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, July 2, 2012 9:07:45 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I agree with Steve, and share his wholehearted disinterest in CF. Riding a bike, for me, has nothing to do with eking out every milligram of performance. A customer lady asked me last week if I was a racer. My response was an entirely unplanned and unrehearsed: Nope, I ride my bike for transportation, recreation, and adventure. I think that about sums it up. Because these endeavors usually don't benefit much, if any, from a couple pounds either way, CF holds no appeal for me. If it happens someday that CF frames become as tough and versatile and inexpensive as a Surly Cross-Check, I might reconsider, but then again, why bother? On Monday, July 2, 2012 3:02:53 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote: I wonder if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the same price which would you choose ? Steel, without question. I have no interest whatever in carbon fiber. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tBeatSAafZYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] The New Riv
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbdid=0f9ee90009 The email as linked from Rivendell's Twitter. The frame will be made in Taiwan, minimalist paint, no headbadge, and I guess the downtube/seattube decals will be minimalist as well. I like the idea of a beater Rivendell a lot..something simple and understated from the company of fancy paint-and-lugs is a neat idea. I say paint it Mark's Grey - like the Hunqapillar but without the red/white - and put a creme RBW triangle on the seattube, the name of the bike on the headtube, and leave the downtube bare. Urban Commuter Stealth Rivendell. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:35:04 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the are having 1k frames made in China or something like that. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly affordable ($1400) complete bike. Cool stuff. Shipping is going up $1 too. I think i'll live. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NbjUFghwcWYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-cF4Sd3SPboJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] The New Riv
I probably shouldn't get too revved up about this model..the Simple One didn't come in a size small enough for me. On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 4:22:29 PM UTC-7, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. A Simple One with a derailer? I too am curious how you get the price down. It certainly wouldn't save anything to cast new, plain lugs just for one bike. Does the head tube badge really add that must cost? A simple one with a rear derailler? - see - that I would have no trouble endorsing. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rCak1eLF2FwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
People PLEASE. If Grant wants to snag some Surly/SOMA buyers with a cheaper Rivendell sold as a complete derailer bike, he's gonna use verticals like they do. If any Riv were a candidate for eccentric dropouts, it would be the HS/Rosco/Bosco, which is not intended to have a front derailer. This not-for-big-hills cruiser is a better candidate for SS or IGH. Joe please produce the Bosco Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:59:55 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: I'm a giant fan of fixed gear bikes, but I'm tired of horizontal dropouts. If a bike is made for derailleurs, vertical makes more sense. I might prefer verticals all around, and use an eccentric ENO hub. Most of my aspirational bikes come with Phil eccentric bottom brackets to get the advantage of verticality. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:54:17 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap, uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a (gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!! You do realize the bike in question will come delivered with derailleurs, according to the Riv blog? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Pv5Illnoy1kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
THAT is a cool iteration of Orange Bike. Very nice! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:33:16 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote: Hi All, Picked this up off one of the lists a couple months and with the helped of Recycled Cycles did one of my fastest builds yet (2 months...my Trek project is pushing a year and a half!!). Took it out on it's maiden voyage this morning. Kind an atypical Riv build these days..fenderless, fairly light, non-threaded headset, etc. I built it up with stuff laying around and some newer mid-level Shimano parts. Ride was fantasticlight, quick, climbed and descended the biggest hills I could find quite nicelyfelt nice. I think we've got sunshine for a few days so hopefully I'll get in a few more rides. Oh and no slippage from shifters or back wheel;). Happy Fourth from Seattle, WA http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157630423425036/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Xjjx5yefv0AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
I'd love to know how the original owner got that paint scheme by Grant. Repaint maybe? Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 3:18:48 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Oh. My. NICE! Congrats! That's quite a nice find. One of the great things about the RBW bikes is that you can dress 'em any way you want to. Build 'em up perfect and ride until something else tugs at your aesthetic. Then strip it down and put together all different. Enjoy and experiment! Happy/Safe Fourth! - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TCqErQFcTGIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
I'm partial to the greens at Rivendell. I love the last green SH, the SimpleOne, and the current Hunqapillar and Bombadil. Any of those would look lovely next to my gloriusly orange XO-1. Joe it's somewhat about the bike Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, July 5, 2012 1:45:55 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: *I imagine Riv was looking for a good selling color as Grant mentioned they will stick with the current blue for a while. I purchased the Avocado green one recently and love its understated look without the cream accents. Every batch probably has one color option and when marketing you try to appeal to as many buyers as possible. * On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:09:19 AM UTC-7, Earl Grey wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EikhwoIl2NAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Come On!
The listing claims package unopened. Who orders a poster for 20 bucks, then turns it around for maybe a $30 profit sight unseen? That seems like an awful lot of trouble for 30 bucks. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:37:41 PM UTC-7, Stephen S wrote: Sorry, as pointed out to me, there are no radials as its 36h Crow's foot with a 4cross instead of 3. On Thursday, July 5, 2012 1:08:56 PM UTC-7, Stephen S wrote: Looks like a Crow's Foot pattern. It looks like it has a set of radial spokes (for the centers) and then two of the same length spoke for the sides of each set of 3. I found something from Sheldon's Brown site that linked to here http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/crows.htm On Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:31:50 AM UTC-7, pb wrote: Can we discuss the spoking pattern? :-) Has Riv ever actually offered that? Seems unlikely. Hmmmn, would require two different spoke lengths, if I see things correctly. ~pb On Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:53:40 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Someone is selling the new poster on ebay if anyone just cannot wait to see it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Poster-/12095817?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1c28d9c979 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9hddr0RtnlQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Come On!
I made no inference against the seller's free-market rights. On Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:57:26 PM UTC-7, BSWP wrote: Awful lot of trouble? I've seen desperate people break into parked cars to steal loose change off the floor. I agree it doesn't seem right for someone to take advantage of RBW's low (below cost) introductory poster price and flip for profit, but it's a free market out there - which the good folks at RBW know all too well. - Andrew, Berkeley On Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:45:58 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: The listing claims package unopened. Who orders a poster for 20 bucks, then turns it around for maybe a $30 profit sight unseen? That seems like an awful lot of trouble for 30 bucks. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tG2rBLBio_sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I post frequently on a cable news blog, and every few weeks someone will respond to my statement about this or that with That's just your opinion! Uh, yeah..most people don't need to be reminded that I'm voicing my opinion when I say something on a blog. As Grant has stated many times - including this week - he writes about things from his POV. He's not pretending that everything he says is an irrefutable fact, or devoid of all hyperbole. If his Blug turns into and endless series of IMOs and YRMVs, I'll stop reading. I don't need caution stickers all over the opinions I read. Joe carbon fiber forks are stupid Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, July 5, 2012 7:27:52 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2012 12:40:50 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: While I dont agree with Grant on some stuff (see helmets) I admire his passion. Agreed. I loved Just Ride. And yeah, I didn't agree with all of it but there's an energy and enthusiasm to it that is infectious. I'm really grateful I fell under the Riv spell as it got me out of a rut with cycling. At the same time that I was discovering Riv I was also discovering randonneuring which also helped save cycling for me. I feel I've found a middle ground between wannabe racer and unracer. To be honest, there are plenty of days where I'm kitted up and hammering but there are also days when I'm on platform pedals and noodling around on mixed terrain. I don't have to choose one over the other, I can maneuver between the two. Cycling is huge and there are all kinds of people out there enjoying it on their own and basically living the Just Ride ethos who have probably never heard of Grant or Rivendell. There's others like myself who found stuff like that to be refreshing and revitalizing in spite of initial skepticism. When I was finishing the Cascade 1200k last week I was riding with guys on contemporary road bikes. Nice CF ones. Part of me started thinking, maybe I need to approach CF with a more open mind, maybe there's a place for one of those bikes in my stable since I'm riding strong and feeling enthusiastic about cycling. Today when I was finishing up a short fast(ish) ride I went by two bike shops and was looking at CF bikes--endurance and distance models with lower BB heights and longer stays. No way. Or at least not today. No way would I choose a bike that wouldn't fit at least a 28 and a fender and there's no way I'm riding wheels with less than 32 spokes. Maybe I'm missing out but it's just not for me. My CC with Jack Browns, a WTB saddle, bars a few CM below the saddle and indexed BE shifters are go fast enough for me. I may consider STI shifters later in the year but certainly not now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to getting back on my Hilsen which is currently set up with platform pedals and racks and doing a mixed terrain ride through Forest Park. Maybe I'll bring along Just Ride and read it at a cafe mid-ride. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o_3G7UcOLUkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Slightly OT-Hilarious Ritchey CL Posting
Al that BS, and no drive-side pic. Brilliant. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, July 6, 2012 10:51:22 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: The only thing funnier than the arabica-snorting civets is the list of keywords at the end. That and the misplaced decimal in his price... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/holsN7kkWAgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
I'm pretty sure it's meant affectionately/ironically. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, July 6, 2012 5:37:58 PM UTC-7, Duplomacette wrote: Sad when a $1400 bike is referred to as a beater. On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:24:49 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote: Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly affordable ($1400) complete bike. Cool stuff. Shipping is going up $1 too. I think i'll live. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1-ophqBPaMcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What happened to Silver sidepulls?
I like the Silver better, too. I have a set that are bikeless for the moment, but I expect that to change by next summer. Very pretty brakes. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, July 6, 2012 4:40:31 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote: I imagine that the Silvers cost a bit more and RBW scaled back a bit. When I was putting my Hilsen together the Silver brakes I received came in their own box so I'm sure that, the polishing and the change of pads added an extra cost. Still, I liked that the Silvers said Silver on them. I always thought that was a nice name for a line of bicycle components. It's nice to see the brake has found it's way on to bikes other than Rivs. I know one of the Civia bikes is spec'd with it. It's a smart design and works well. Using it off road on my Hilsen I've had a couple of moments here and there when I've wondered if the brake is up to the challenge but on the road it's been fine. I do like having the canti clearance with a much easier set-up. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QlmpCRJL7cYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Will a 9-speed Shimano 105 Derailer work with an 8 speed cassette (friction shifting)?
A 105 can usually handle a 30-tooth cog, but 32 is pushing your luck. Like others have said, you need to put a proper MTB derailer on to eliminate the 105 as the culprit, then see if there's still a shifting problem. And yes, 9-speed derailers are fine friction-shifting 8-speed cassetes. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, July 8, 2012 12:36:23 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sun, 2012-07-08 at 12:27 -0700, Zack wrote: Thank you for responses everyone - Steve - Just to confirm, I think that this is the RD: http://www.amazon.com/Shimano-2010-Road-Cycling-Derailleur/dp/B000XPV4ZM (some of the 105's are short cage, just want to make sure the RD is the problem before I switch it up) According to Shimano http://www.shimano.com.au/publish/content/global_cycle/en/au/index/products/road/105_5700/product.-code-RD-5600-GS.-type-rd_road.html Model Number RD-5600-GS Series 105 Cassette Compatibility 10-speed Maximum Sprocket 27T Minimum Sprocket 11T Maximum Front Difference 22T Total Capacity 37T Now that, of course, is not a guarantee that your exceeding the maximum sprocket size for this derailleur is in fact the cause of your problem. But if you happen to have a MTB rear derailleur sitting in the box for just in case (as, I suspect, many of us on this list do) why not try it and see! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kNznuIOS-LYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Will a 9-speed Shimano 105 Derailer work with an 8 speed cassette (friction shifting)?
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/d41.htm Not too pricey for a very nice looking mech which is rated to 36 teeth. On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:00:02 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: I have no extra derailers laying around, so will need to get a new one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/caj7wtCa6EQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Will a 9-speed Shimano 105 Derailer work with an 8 speed cassette (friction shifting)?
It never hurts to have a spare cassette. What I'd do is install the derailer first and see how it goes. Even if you don't need the cassette right away, you will eventually. On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:30:17 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: Neighborhood: Burlington VT. I see the microshift - may just get it, and I'll probably replace the cassette as well. Seems weird that the cassette would wear so much in a short time as to make it cause problems, but that doesn't mean it didn't I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/I1vp-IKs-9QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Schwinn Paramount P-15 Country Bike
They went to OS tubing for the last years of Original-Schwinn Paramounts, too. This was in the let's make this thing as stiff as possible era. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, July 9, 2012 7:29:37 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: That is a pretty bike. Love the 27 to 700c conversion idea. - Ryan On Monday, July 9, 2012 3:29:59 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote: I just added some photos to my Flickr photostream that might interest those in this group. I converted this bike from a 27 to 700c size, using the long-reach Tektro R556 brakes to accommodate the smaller wheel size. This bike makes a nice classic Country Bike, thanks to those brakes! The other recent changes made were to fit the bike with wider handlebars and a suitable stem. I'd used some original Cinelli Giro d'Italia handlebars and Cinelli 1-A stem for some time, but the narrow width (38 cm) of the Cinelli bars just felt very constrained. I'd guess I'd gotten use to the wider bars on my Rivendell Road Standard, which are the Nitto B-185 type in 44 cm width (basically the same bar as the current Mark's Bar sold by Riv - although the Mark's Bar is a lightened type). The bars that I chose to use are the Nitto B-176 Dream bars, along with a Nitto Pearl stem that I had available from my stock. I also decided to switch the derailleur controls from H/B end type to a set of classic Campagnolo Record downtube control levers. This is a really nice bike! Here's the photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157630501496260/ Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/F2FJfalOuYwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.
*I guess I could have muscled up the climb but that just didn't seem fun.* Grant has a new entry on the Blug which addresses this: Sometimes we ride our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify as exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not. I finished a ride a few days ago that ends in a long steep climb, and as I was grinding away in low gear at a walking pace, having no fun at all 'cause I was tired, it dawned on me, Why am I doing this? I finished the hill on foot, stretching my legs and looking around. It was fun. Joe No thanks, I'll walk Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:43:28 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Beautiful setting and the Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for the jaunt. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: The weather here in Portland has been beautiful lately. Downright exceptional over the past three days while I was at work. I woke up this morning and it was cooler but could tell it would burn off. My wife is out of town and we have a puppy so I can't get away for all day rides but I did get in a 3hr ramble passing through Forest Park twice. When I first entered Forest Park and ended up taking Fire Rd 1 which I had never ridden before. It's quite steep in parts and so I just dismounted and just walked a few sections which was fine. I was on my Hilsen and one area where it doesn't do so great is steep scrabbly climbs. I guess I could have muscled up the climb but that just didn't seem fun. I exited Forest Park and headed up to Skyline on the pavement and took that for a little ways before dropping back down into Forest Park via Saltzman and made my way down to Hwy 30 and across the St Johns Bridge and back home, stopping for tacos and ice cream along the way. It was just a really great ride. I was on my Hilsen with platform pedals and wearing some Musa shorts and an LL Bean seersucker/hiking shirt I recently purchased on sale. The shirt worked well except for on descents where it tends to flap in the wind a bit too much for my taste. I guess I could tuck it in and the problem would be solved. After spending so much time focused on randonneuring for the past couple of months it was really nice to just get out for a ramble. I'll do some variation on the ride tomorrow and the next day. When my wife returns I'll hopefully get out for an overnight camping trip. Here's a photo set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630519177722/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qhDAgqpCyEMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yLflGxS3hlYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
The Bleriot and SH were/are built with thicker tubes than the AHH, correct? My AHH felt very springy/lively, just like my Romulus did. I would say both are more road-only lighter-load biased than the Bleriot and Hillborne. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:10:16 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I've had the same experience in comparing a SH to an AHH: same fit, similar toptube, both set up with similar 36-spoke wheels, Brooks saddles, and typical Nitto Aluminum bits. Both with Jack Brown greens. The big difference in the frames was 60 cm SH with 6 degree toptube slope versus a 65 cm AHH with a 1.5 degree toptube slope, but the bar height relative to saddle was the same. AHH's chainstay was 0.5 cm shorter! There's faerie dust on those AHH's! - Jim On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote: I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs. Richard showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen. He's very excited about the bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2). It's a pretty standard Riv build. I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv build. Differences are: Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear), AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front and rear) Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the fenders). Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55. Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, AHH had just a tiny seatbag. Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin. Wow, was I impressed. It felt - sprightly, lively. Definitely different than the Bleriot. I'm wondering why. There's maybe a slight difference in weight between the two bikes, by feel. Is it the tires? the tubeset? Joan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cbMvLcIMjXQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.
Read it again. I didn't say climbing/endurance is never fun. I said sometimes we bike in ways that are not fun because we have other goals for that type of ride even if it's not fun that day. My point is that in bygone days I would have stuck that climb out because, well, that's what you do: Keep pedaling. On this day I realized, A). I'm not having fun, and, B). walking might be nice. It was. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:38:59 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Not at all. Sometimes it is fun to push yourself, particularly on hills. You can't make a valid general statement like that below -- it's simply not true universally speaking. I don't give a flying fuck about exercise and endurance, and my endurance is laughable, but I do, repeat do, and I repeat it in all sincerity, that I DO enjoy pushing myself, at times, particularly up hills. If cycling held no challenges, I'd give it up and take up walking. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes we ride our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify as exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jrZE3z5AOioJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.
For the record, I had already climbed a long fun time. It was the last super-steep part I walked. Yesterday I rode the whole thing 'cause I felt like it. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:46:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: OK, sorry that I misread. As long as I can push myself (lightly) on climbs. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Read it again. I didn't say climbing/endurance is never fun. I said sometimes we bike in ways that are not fun because we have other goals for that type of ride even if it's not fun that day. My point is that in bygone days I would have stuck that climb out because, well, that's what you do: Keep pedaling. On this day I realized, A). I'm not having fun, and, B). walking might be nice. It was. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:38:59 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Not at all. Sometimes it is fun to push yourself, particularly on hills. You can't make a valid general statement like that below -- it's simply not true universally speaking. I don't give a flying fuck about exercise and endurance, and my endurance is laughable, but I do, repeat do, and I repeat it in all sincerity, that I DO enjoy pushing myself, at times, particularly up hills. If cycling held no challenges, I'd give it up and take up walking. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes we ride our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify as exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jrZE3z5AOioJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/KrCBVjGoz-IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Question about Riv Custom on Ebay
Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is not a road bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and my AHH rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring and gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot heavy, while wanting simultanously to jump on the 650b Bandwagon. He did ride the AHH I had and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect weather, haha. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think any Rivendells have ever had less than 70mm of drop. Unless it was a very custom-custom, plan on 70, and don't be surprised to have it be 72 or 73. That's on the edge of 650b compatibility. The 750s should work fine and I see a cable hanger in the front, but Tektro 559s would be perfect as well. Fitting Hetres would would just be a guess... maybe, maybe not. It's going to be a chunk of change for a guess if you can't confirm measurements from the seller. I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's what he wants. It could be as roadie as he can afford! :-) On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: So a friend of mine (seriously, not me!) wants to know if this custom on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs. Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/120947913999?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item1c290eb50f -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kkLHitf0EcgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about Riv Custom on Ebay
It's not at all clear to me why he thinks a custom Rivendell Road frame would be appreciably lighter than a production Riv. You either want a Rivendell design or you don't. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:56:52 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: Maybe it's time to give up on him, tell him what he wants is a top of the line Domane with carbon wheels and tubular tires, and he should stop wasting his time looking at heavy old steel bikes. On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 16:01 -0700, ted wrote: If he wants to try an alternative to the weight weeny race rigs, he should probably ease up on the frame weight goal. You also might point out that the frame and fork are probably about 1/4th (or less) of the total bike weight. To say an AHH is too heavy because of the frame overlooks the large roll components play in the all up weight of a bike. On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I hear you Joe, I tried to sell him the 54 AHH but he kept saying it was too heavy, he is a good friend but this whole heavy vs light argument does get old so looking for him to take the plunge and get a nice practical ride. He does have an older Peugeot PX10 we could convert but with its 'racing geometry it wont be nearly as comfortable as a nice AHH. Maybe a decent place to start though. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is not a road bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and my AHH rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring and gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot heavy, while wanting simultanously to jump on the 650b Bandwagon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mmCN6yaIjioJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: PM to me please: Santa Monica bike shop rec.
There's gotta be at least a dozen Riv-types in Santa Monica who would be better qualified to handle that last bit of assembly on this style of bicycle than most shops in the area. Maybe someone could step up and have it shipped to him/her/them? Joe Bernard On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:18:10 PM UTC-7, grant wrote: Tried Topanga...they're booked for a month-plus. I'm looking for a shop that has time for a 20-30 minute job. Just installing pedals, seat and post, re-inserting stem/bars, hooking up front brakes (which have already been adjusted), and will do it all for...$40 or so. I'll find one--thanks all for your help! G On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:02:42 PM UTC-7, Tony Lockhart wrote: +1 on Topanga Creek Cycles. They're super down to earth and they have a good shop. On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:33:25 PM UTC-7, Brad Gantt wrote: Sorry Grant, not sure how to PM. While not in SM, Topanga Creek Cycles is the most Riv-friendly (and overall great) shop within striking distance. They'd do a great job. Brad On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:11:16 PM UTC-7, grant wrote: For a customer. He'll get a bike and wants the shop to do final bit of reassembly. I'd like to be able to send him to a shop that can deal with, for example, a new Hunqapillar with Bosco bars and a threaded headset and not treat it like a fresh dinosaur. It's possible I'll get zero to fifteen responses. Thank you all in advance, and it's s busy/understaffed here I won't be able to muster more than a quick thanks, but I will mean it. Hmm? G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Py9nN--fMK8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
40-50mph is motorcycle speed, which those guys/gals are running in full leathers and a full-face helmet (the smart ones, anyway). I've rarely exceeded 35 on a bicycle, and am in no hurry to do it again soon. A little slower is still fun. Joe where ya goin in such a hurry, boy Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, July 13, 2012 8:15:32 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: Intuition is a good thing. Listen to it. On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:53:40 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/X254zJBOfv4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/GxfinhsvKtkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
In fairness to Grant re: the helmet issue, I've seen him headed up Mt. Diablo with one strapped to the bars. It's safe to assume it's not still on the bars on the way down.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3wOw0-HYJpoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Uh, I have a problem with the CF fork because it's a shock-absorbing device attached to the front wheel that snaps if something goes wrong with it. It seems like a ridiculous application of the material to me. I'm less concerned about CF for the frame..the loads are spread out more, and a broken tube somewhere on it is less likely to put you on the ground. It's that long, thin lever on the front that worries me, and I'm more than entitled to worry about it. As for types of bikes, I have an aluminum modern go-fast, an aluminum MTB, and several steel Bridgestones in various stages of Rivendell-ism. They all have steel forks. You wanna hear about my Motobecane disk-brake road bike? Meet me at The Paceline. Talking about it here is off-topic. On Friday, July 13, 2012 1:04:02 PM UTC-7, Skenry wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. On Friday, July 13, 2012 1:04:02 PM UTC-7, Skenry wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gBAJbeN77f4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: RB2 - 650B, possible free delivery - pedals not included
Dude, you're killin me. I remember staring at a blue one at Missing Link that year. I ended up with a plum XO-3 from you guys that was too small for me because I was mental over XOs. BIG mistake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pKMtZrPvT3MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
I did 45 on a long-wheelbase recumbent. It was disturbingly uneventful. That chopper position and huge distance between the wheels makes for a pretty serene experience at high speed. When I glanced at the speedo and saw that number, I realized this might be a good time to start dragging them brakes a bit.. On Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50:23 PM UTC-7, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: Goodness me! I know some people dig that sort of thing. Go for it! But if you see *me* going 40mph, call the authorities! It'll mean I've lost control of my bike, body, and mind. Without intervention, tragedy will ensue. Since you asked... I'd say wisdom. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3zhUQcNEQ_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I agree..we should get back on topic. Just Ride is great, Rivendells are great, I love everbody. Joe carbon forks are stupid Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:10:45 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: Well put Erik. Are you going to grace us with a report about your tour? Pictures? I see there are some on your blog, I hope you post more. Bummed we couldn't have met up when you were in my neck of the woods. From looking at your blog it looks like you made it into Gifford Pinchot NF. Lots of great roads there, paved and dirt. I've done a couple of rides through there but still feel like there's way more to explore. Hopefully next summer. I'm in the process or rereading Just Ride and enjoying it all over again. Perfect reading before bed. Due to a new puppy, no long rides but some really nice Rivish rambles through Forest Park here in Portland. I've been watching our new puppy on my day's off while my wife has been out of town. She returns next week so I'm looking forward to some longer rides--Larch Mtn, Lolo Pass (Mt Hood National Forest), Eagle Fern Park/Community of George. I'm tentatively planning on doing these longish rides (80 to 100 miles) at a casual pace, no stretchy bike clothes, and platform pedals. I don't drive and the bus doesn't go to any of these places so the only way I'm gonna see them is if I throw a leg over my bike and make a day of it. --Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mnHFFIqWMFcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv-ish retro cycling gloves?
Even though you say you prefer a darker color, I'm gonna throw in a vote for Rivendell's gloves. I think the butterscotch-ish color is kinda cool, and may be more noticeable to drivers when signaling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OHpDJ17ECroJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Pletscher Zoom Kickstand
Thanks for telling us about this..a *much* better design. It was good to be introduced to your blog, too. Good stuff there! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:02:05 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote: As you might expect, the plastic itself is very strong, I don't see any problem with weathering or impact. It's held in place with two ss set screws held by nylock nuts. You could add loctite if one of them comes loose. Marc On Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:54:22 AM UTC-4, Jared Volpe wrote: oops... the plastic piece? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Hu-vFzFhiSsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
I love the airplane graphics, and the name. I think it, the Atlantis, and Quickbeam, are the coolest bikes Rivendell ever produced. I'm thinking about grabbing the next 54cm 'riot I come across as soon as my Gary Fisher Klunker sells. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA USA On Apr 17, 9:47 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Ooh, nice desilencing of the t. On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Ray Shine wrote: I am also a proud and happy Blerioteer. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
You're new here, so your posts are being moderated before they show up online. I just rejoined with a new email address, so this one won't show up for a while, either. The changing the title habit drives me crazy, but I guess it's here to stay. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. USA On Apr 20, 3:13 pm, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: I thought I posted another response this morning, but it never got in. I'm still getting used to this site. That includes getting used to people being able to change the title. But I'm kind of glad it got changed back. Thanks again for all the helpful responses and info on pumps, I will have check some of those out. And I guess I'll have to check out flikr or whatever, and post pix soon. Cheers, Steve On Apr 20, 12:55 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 4/19/11 5:15 AM, islaysteve at alkire...@verizon.net wrote: Right now I have rather bulky CO2 inflator that uses the smaller cartridges, and I carry two cartridges. Should I look to get one that uses the larger carts; and if so, do you have any recommendations on which one? Or put another way, would I need two of the smaller carts to adequately fill a Nifty Swifty? (33 mm). I think you are answering your own question here. Honestly, there's no reason to use a CO2 setup unless you are trying to literally shave seconds on refilling. It's a one-shot deal, and I've seen enough MTB XC racers walking their uselessly flat-tired rigs home from the halfway point, cursing their improperly seated fast-fill devices. You have no margin for error. Once you have or see that happen, you always carry a pump for backup, decide to stop using them altogether, or have to rely upon the kindness of strangers to fill up your tube. In any event you end up back with a pump. If you like keeping things compact, I've been using a Crank Brothers larger barrelled mini pump which has held up well for at least 6 years. It fits easily into a Keven's Bag or L'il Loafer front bag. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Could you take a moment to vote for me? I am entered in a audiobook contest which is initially determined by public voting - if you could go here - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar register on the Bookperk site and vote for my read -http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar-I'd really appreciate it. You can vote one time each day until early May. Vote early, vote often! Thanks!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Yesterday's Ride to Napa
Very cool, and very close to my home. Fairfield, CA. On Apr 24, 5:29 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUPACr9YUpUsns=em --Eric Nwww.Campyonly.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 2009 52cm Quickbeam
What's up with the black tape on the toptube? Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. On May 17, 7:33 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Great bike for a great price. Coodios to the lucky person to snatch the beauty. On May 17, 6:34 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157626621477823/ Better link to pictures... On May 17, 9:31 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: As part of the pruning of the bicycle collection, I am selling a two- year old Quickbeam. Atlantis less than six weeks away... Photos are a href=http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/ 72157626621477823/here/a. Here is a link to the QB's geometry -http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html (Note they do not show the 52) My PBH is 78cm and this bike fits quite nicely with the Col de Vies on it. While I would be happy to measure the basics and you can ask me nitty gritty questions like what is the head tube angle but I may not be able to provide the answer... Again, it is a stock build (you would think after last week's sale I would know exactly what is on the bike but no...) Specs: - 52cm frame - Sugino XD2 crank set (40x32) - White Industries Duo (17x19) - Velo-Orange hammered fenders - Col de Vie tires - No saddle - Grip King pedals - Silver brakes - Albatross bars/cork grips/Mt Bike brake levers - Nitto stem (10cm?) /seat tube - Mark's rack/basket Price: $1200/OBO + shipping unless you are local to Baltimore/DC. Bike will move to Craigslist in Baltimore on Thursday evening. Bike has never been in an accident. Was ridden maybe 2K miles total (550 in one week in NC in 2009). As noted above, happy to answer any and all questions as best I can. john- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Road Std up for sale on the bay
Ambrosio is easy to misspell as the dessert name; he's just quoting standard Rivspeak for the tire clearance, and makes it clear that's what he's doing; extended top tube for Rivendell means he's thinks the toptube is kinda long for a 61cm Rivendell. There is nothing suspect about this ad. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. On May 19, 6:02 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Doesn't know how to spell Ambrosio, or the difference between an extended top tube and an extended head tube. And I doubt that that frame will take a 35 mm tire, mine is about maxed out with a 32. I'd be wary. Bill On May 19, 5:48 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: So, here's a Road Standard that looks like it has been repainted, maybe not, and the seller says he was a framebuilder at Waterford and bought the bike then, but he can't recall the date on this frame, somewhere 1995 - 1998. Wouldn't a Waterford worker know to look at the date code on the BB shell? http://cgi.ebay.com/Rivendell-61cm-Road-Bicycle-Handmade-Steel-Lugged...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S72O - SFBay
Thunderstorms predicted tomorrow. Not a good time to be on a bike. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. On May 31, 8:55 am, bicitourist ejro...@gmail.com wrote: Super excited today to be heading out on my first bike camping trip. Last day at my job of over 11 years. I start work next week and figured this was the best adventure in my short time off! The plan: Last call is at 2:00pm today, bike is packed and ready to go. Meet at Caltrains to catch the 3:44 to SF last stop. Ride to China Camp and spend the night. Ride back from China camp to Half moon bay; spend night 2 there. And then head back to SJ to make it in time to my son's kindergarten graduation. I'll post pics when we get back. -Eddie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S72O - SFBay
If he made it to China Camp, he got a decent break in the weather. Tomorrow might not be so pretty. Joe Bernard On May 31, 4:40 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: I got rained on during my commute home today (Lodi to Stockton, in the central valley east of SF). Pretty mean wind out there, too.Hope your weather is better than mine! Bill On May 31, 11:09 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Thunderstorms predicted tomorrow. Not a good time to be on a bike. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. On May 31, 8:55 am, bicitourist ejro...@gmail.com wrote: Super excited today to be heading out on my first bike camping trip. Last day at my job of over 11 years. I start work next week and figured this was the best adventure in my short time off! The plan: Last call is at 2:00pm today, bike is packed and ready to go. Meet at Caltrains to catch the 3:44 to SF last stop. Ride to China Camp and spend the night. Ride back from China camp to Half moon bay; spend night 2 there. And then head back to SJ to make it in time to my son's kindergarten graduation. I'll post pics when we get back. -Eddie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S72O - SFBay
Excellent! Good to hear you kept pushing. The sky started clearing around lunchtime Wed., and I thought, Thunderstorms. Yeah right. I hear ya about Hwy 1. I avoid it. Joe Bernard On Jun 3, 10:04 am, bicitourist ejro...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, we made it! We didn't leave until late and that gave us a great break in the weather. Of course we didn't get to China camp until like 10:00pm (only sprinkled on us), but that's what dynamo's are for right! It dumped on us on Wednesday morning so we took an extended breakfast break at Peets. Clear skies the whole way down to half moon bay. The route down Highway 1 was breathtaking but way too many cars to be at ease. Luckily the weather was clear and and car visibility was good. I'll link to the pics as soon as I can get them off the camera. --Eduardo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: sks longboard fenders on a romulus
Cream-colored fenders on a Rivendell. This is the Rivendell board. We're interested. ;-) Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. On Jun 12, 4:12 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Got the fenders in this week and I put them on the romulus today. I just about ruined my fun by cutting the stays too short but with grand bois cypres tires labeled 30mm - measured 32mm. I had no trouble getting the longboard fenders that riv sells under the brakes and clear. Worked out right well, actually. I suspect that the jackbrowns might be pushing it a bit - but there MAY be enough room. I'll take some pictures after a bit and post them if anyone is interested. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
I'd love to score a Bleriot, for completely shallow reasons: It's my favorite Riv name/graphics package. I don't know the story of them being pulled from the market, and didn't realize they disappeared quickly (I was in recumbent world the last three years). About the mythical Legolas: I was at Rivendell a few years ago, cash in hand, staring at one in my size. I was *this* close to buying...and bailed out. They only made 80!? Oh my heart.. On Jun 15, 4:06 am, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: Leslie, No offense taken by me at all! I understand what you're saying about some people overpaying for nice-looking restored car, while more knowledgable folks know that there is an upper limit to reasonable prices for any given model. This may be similar to the pricing on the Ram we are discussing, but of course the final sale price will determine that (if we ever find out.) I'm also amazed by the high asking prices for some older bikes on CL. It may seem reasonable to the seller that if a $700 (when new) bike is like new, it should be worth $400 now. They don't realize that the technology has moved on so much in 10, 15 or 20 years, that their bike is pretty much obsolete to most buyers. I guess the fixed-gear/single-speed trend has been a boon to those selling older steel bikes. I'm just glad that I bought my Bleriot when I did, for what I paid. Steve On Jun 14, 9:45 pm, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 7:08 am, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: In view of the other thread about the nice Rambo for sale on CList, I thought I'd start a general discussion of used Riv prices. Just because it's kind of interesting. Someone on the other thread implied that it's not reasonable to compare the asking price of a used frame to the price of a new frame, esp. if it's a different model. I disagree. Long ago I had a job processing claims. The principles apply, I argue. To use my own example, you can't buy a new Bleriot. If you want a new Riv frame that's close to a Bleriot in geometry and function, you buy a Sam. Back when they were sold, Bleriots cost $750 (such a deal!). Today new Sams cost $1100 (?) or $1500, and that is a whole other discussion in itself. In my size (small), they cost $1500. So when I paid more than the original cost for my pristine Bleriot frame/fork, was I foolish? I don't think so. Riv frames in my size on the used market are not available all that often. So the other part of this equation is depreciation: the word that insurance companies love and claimants hate. I think you have to agree that most things, Riv frames included, depreciate. If you'd rather have a new frame out of the box from Walnut Creek than a used frame from Joe on eBay, that's depreciation. If the used frame has some paint chipping around the dropouts, that's.you get the picture. We can argue about how much to depreciate a Riv frame, or anything else. I wouldn't depreciate it down to 25% after say 10 years, like some claims payers might. So to wrap this up, my point is that it's reasonable to look at the price of a comparable new frame (bike), decide what kind of depreciation to apply to the used bike in question, and go from there. And of course the buyers emotions and wants play into this a good bit. I would have rather had an orange Sam with Hillborne graphics than the blue Bleriot. But it just wasn't worth nearly double the price to me. Cheers, Steve I suppose I should reply here, as it might very well be me that was implying that it's not quite appropriate to do a direct price comparison between a discontinued used model and a new current model. And, I should go ahead and say, anything I say isn't meant to offend, is simply my perspective, YMMV. I will agree, if you want to have insurance replace a bike with a very comparable brand/model, then sure, you can insure it for a declared amount to make sure that if stolen, you could go and replace it (ie, replace a Rambouillet with a Roadeo). That would be a $1600 frame, being replaced with a $2000 frame. And, I love my Rambouillet, it's an awesome bike. I really would like to think that, it'd be reasonable to expect that an insurance company would replace it with a brand new Roadeo if anything ever happened to it. And if I had an Atlantis that was a year or two old, maybe it'd not be too unreasonable to argue with insurance that they could just buy a new one to replace it. But, realistically, as soon as you drive a car off a lot, it's a used car. A few years later, once a company has replaced it with a new model, if I went to sell it, I wouldn't expect to set its price directly compared to a new car, I have to look at the price for which used ones of its same year are selling, regardless of the new model being the one that's most like it. I had a Subaru,
[RBW] Re: Is XT THAT much better than Deore?
I'm a derailer snob. I prefer XT and Ultegra because..um..I just do. Not necessarily the current versions, though. Any old piece in nice condition will do. I've been looking for a mid-'90s 8-speed-era XT for a while now. Yes, there's a current normal pull LX. I recently bought one from a trike rider who upgraded to XT. It's painted silver..I think Riv stocks it now. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. On Jun 17, 9:23 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Tangential questions: 1. Aren't the high end lines now relatively more expensive compared to low end lines than they were 20 years ago when XT ruled the roost? I see $250+ rds in catalogues (along with $900 cranks and $300 cassettes). IIRC, top-of-line XT and XTR originally both maxed out at sub $100. Or am I just old? 2. Where does LX fall in S's mtb lineup? And 3: Is there a normal pull LX rd? Thanks. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: This is a bad list to ask this kind of question because lots of us still use deore stuff from the late 80's! or Suntour XC stuff even! that said, shimano is always trying to create more demand, i think the big reason for them creating/resurrecting the deore like was so that they could raise the price of the xt stuff :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)
This reminds me of the Whatcha got? threads on the Alex-era iBob list. Four: 2010 Greenspeed GT3: Recumbent tadpole trike. 1990 Bstone CB-Zip: My first exposure to Bridgestone was this model in the 1991 Bicycling Buyer's Guide..finally got one. My black V-O cafe racer. V-O Porteur bars, stem and saddle. 1994 Bstone CB-1: Immaculate barn find. I love the graphics of those Final Year models, and the unusual colors. This one is cranberry. City biked with Albatross bars, Technomic stem, cork Meisha grips, Suntour Power Ratchet thumb shifters, V-O city brake levers, and a wide Brooks saddle. 2006 Electra Amsterdam 3: Derided as a fake Dutch bike, but I like the big black cruiser. 3-speed Nexus hub with a coaster brake. Previous owner added a BMX front caliper and city lever. I added creme Shwalbe tires. Heavy. Slow. Fun! On Jun 18, 10:44 pm, Bill Gibson (III) bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. Currently 3 for me? but I maintain a total of 5 in the family, and dream of a different group, similar to Grant's and other's ideals. I would like to surprise ma femme with a road bike that really fits her, but she need small wheels I think. (This gives me an idea for another thread). I might add a Velomobile, if I were a rich man. Ma femme will disapprove, convinced that no one needs more than one, and she is correct, of course. 1. Green Quickbeam, modified today for the first time with a donated SRAM i-Motion 9, which I built into a rear wheel, again, building a rear wheel from scratch for the first time. She's tension balanced, and true, and now with 9 speeds! Jack Browns are remarkably flat-free in this glassy, spiky place. Kinda worried about parking it for very long if I can't see it. 2. 1997 Cannondale F-1000 Race Ready Mountain Bike with Headshock, Made in the USA, with crazy light crack and fail cranks and frame, so far so good, town bike modified with Albatross bars, Brooks Champion, and mudguards, even though I live in the Urban Sonoran desert. Still worry about parking it around the University. 3. Co-Owner with ma femme of an Early 90's Gary Fisher Mountain Bike Tandem, Black with Splatter Paint Finish, lots of good old Shimano, and thumb shifters. Not ridden since I dumped her once and she got her R+E custom, which she really needs and loves (she is 4' 10). Would not worry about parking it, it's too weird around here. On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: My stable: 1995 Riv Road Std, with 46-30 x 11-32 gearing and the widest tires it will fit (32 mm Vittoria Rando Hypers), as my comfortable cruising/ exploring/century bike. I bought it new and expect the frame will stay with me forever in one guise or another. 2006 (?) Calfee Tetra Pro, tutto Campagnolo, my go-fast club sport bike. One of the very few carbon frames I would trust enough to own. Bought used for a fraction of it's new price. 1984 Miyata 1000 tourer, my dedicated commuter bike. Bought new as a frameset in 1983, another bike I never expect to sell. 1990-ish Steve Rex road bike, bought the frame used for a song in 1993 or 4. Currently set up as a fixed gear with inverted Albatross bars. Great riding frame that's a bit too long for me, should have sold it years ago. 1999 (?) Burley Django recumbent, bought when I was having some medical problems that made riding an upright bike problematic. Hasn't been ridden in two years now, I really need to sell this one. Gen 1 Kogswell P/R, 650b. I commuted on this bike for a year, but it's a bit small for me. Another bike I need to sell. On order - Rawland rSogn, intended as an all-rounder, gravel roadster, take camping, exploring bike. Under consideration - Rawland Nordavinden, lightweight sportif/rando/ century bike with clearance for reasonably large tires. If I go with one of these, it would inherit the Riv's current parts, the Riv would go fixed (maybe with an S-A S3X three speed fixed gear hub), and the Rex would go away. If I run into some money (not likely), an upgrade to the proposed Ti version or to a Hampsten Crema, Riv Roadeo or something comparable might be in the cards. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
- Vince here calls it Hyper-Speed - I love it..it reminds of those '80s Bstones that said for the super competitor- or something like that - on the frame. I think Grant should keep the name: HS in big letters, underlined with Hyper- Speed for a Head Start. Joe marketing genius Bernard Fairfield, CA On Jun 19, 3:08 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Not that people can change, but there's a few things in the discussion that are not up Grant's alley, at least up to this point: So, this is me channeling GP: 1. Belt drive - why when a chain works perfectly well and is easy to fix? 2. IGH: overly complicated - Xx9 works fine - Xx7 is great 3. Low trail: my bikes don't do that. I'm really confounded - especially the idea of no option of a front der. I saw this in Paris, and I'm happy to report that it looks like it has a front der, so this is not the HS prototype:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5843048796/in/photostream This being said, my first inclination was to think that the ideal city bike of my weeks in Paris is coming true - a 1x9 dedicated commuter and city bike. So, how would a front der. be impossible - if there's no cable stop? Some kind of weird U-frame shape like a Velib - that seems also impossible considering GP's attraction to triangles. Maybe it is the RAAM bike in the photo! Esteban 13 Arr., Paris France (for one more week) On Jun 19, 11:47 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: HS must stand for hub shift. The big clue for me is the statement that you can't use more than one chainring on it. At first I thought, what, you can't clamp on a front derailleur? But once hub shift was suggested, I realized that a hub shift with no rear derailleur hanger would make it hard to have something that would take up the slack required when switching between multiple chainrings. So hub shift with no rear hanger fits the clues given. I like having a 135-rear-spacing bike that has a derailleur hanger, because I have the option of doing one of the new internally geared hubs and could still use it with multiple gears up front. -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Future Rivs
While we're on the subject of guessing what the new Rivendell is, I'd like to offer up my own gosh, I wish they would do this bike. I'd like a 26-inch-wheel City Bike with an IGH, dynohub, and drum brakes. Preferably butterscotch color. Joe I like dreamin Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 1993? Bridgestone NB-26 21.5
That's an MB-6ish mid-'93 stab at RapidFire shifters before all MBs converted to them in '94. I learned this when Grant answered my letter that year enquiring about the quality of my new-to-me Motobecane by startling me with a phone call (I knew nothing about bikes at the time). He told me NB stood for New Bike or No Brainer, as in no- brainer click click shifting. The price for a plain gauge project is a little high, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. On Jun 22, 6:12 pm, rex jupiterthunderb...@yahoo.com wrote: riv content: this bike has schwalbe marathons and cheapie thumb levers i bought from riv. i am selling my bridgestone NB-26 mountain bike to fund other projects. i hate to let it go. it seems to be an anomoly. not featured in the bridgestone catalogs. has the 1993 paint scheme. measured 21.5 center to top. 4130 P.G.(plain gauge) tubes. stout like tank. has lotsa eyelets and clearance for gigantic tires. original compenents: araya rims/ shimano exage hub wheels headset bottom bracket brakes new stuff: new(less than 100 miles) schwalbe marathon 47x559 new shimano super cheapie derailers new chain used cheapie thumbshifters that riv sells new seatpost this is a project bike. it will need: cabling stem bars levers grips saddle anyway, i want $150 plus shipping (prolly$125 depending on your location). if you think im way off base tell me and well go from there. email for pics. thanks to you all for your time joe rex kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thumbies vs BEs
Yep, that's my question, too. The easiest double-shift I've ever done is riding the hoods, then quickly dropping both hands to the bar-ends, snapping off that shift, then back to the hoods. On Jun 23, 2:29 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 06:20 -0700, MichaelH wrote: The long cables, long rear derailleur cage, and the need to move each separately from the shifter back to the bar before I can reach for the other shifter causes too much delay and I end up with too much pressure to drop the chain, or I shift early and we end up spinning wildly, or even dropping the chain all together. I can shift left and right bar end shifters simultaneously, using both hands, holding on to the bar ends themselves. Are you saying you can only shift one hand at a time? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Reader's up
Can we play got mine, did you get yours now? On Jun 25, 8:38 am, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: The details on the seat lugs on page 40 are really neat. I had never noticed the reinforcement on the stress relief hole, but it's brilliant. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/rivendell-readers/24-072 -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vvkC0THt9SkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pics of my new Hunqapillar...and a question about handlebar bags
That's a lovely bike, Geoff. The colors and the bullmoose bars look AMAZING. I want one! Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cQ8evadvnnAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Cross levers on 46cm Noodle bars?
I had a Romulus with 46cm Noodles..rode and braked from the hoods most of the time. A newbie to road bars may find the braking from the hoods concept a little intimidating, but it works fine most of the time. I eventually added Tektro cross levers, thinking I would use them when cruising the top of the bar. I didn't like the unstable feel of the levers so close to the centerline of the bike, so mostly transitioned to the hoods for braking. A waste of money/clutter/extra weight for me. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Z39zpTt9MroJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pics of my new Hunqapillar...and a question about handlebar bags
Yes, Geoff, 30 miles and one decimated credit card away! I'm purposely *not*driving there 'cause there's no way I leave without one. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/YD_LHOJo0vMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Hunqapillar, interesting fork detail
After ogling Geoff's new Hunqapillar for a while, I went over to Rivbike to do some more ogling, and discovered an odd detail: The forks are threaded on top of the crown so you can mount a rear rack on the front. Um..why? Is there a benefit to doing this over mounting a nice front Nitto I'm not aware of? Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cHWpvWJJPBsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?
My opinion is a shallow one: I think the paint job on the Hunqapillar is the most beautiful combo Rivendell has produced. Get the pretty one, save 500 bucks. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/c0WxIpAI_9oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?
In my size they're both 26-inch wheel bikes, and my favorite Rivs. I'd take the Hunqapillar simply because I love the color. The price drop is nice, too, but wouldn't be the decider. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6uMScKhmIlcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
