Re: [RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Pam Bikes]

Steve - I'm so glad you are enjoying your Platypus.  I've never thought of 
having black fenders.  They look handsome on your bike.

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another Platypus recommendation:
> [image: 4D7C22F7-27BF-4ACD-9875-E249DD1C4999_1_201_a.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 11:35:40 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> “I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it 
>> was never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to 
>> make all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to 
>> actually go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile.”
>>
>>
>> This quote resonates. I hate to see collections of bikes. I love to see 
>> bikes that are actually RIDDEN. It’s such a pleasure to see the beausage 
>> and personalization on a well-loved bike (do you know Pam Murray yet?). Get 
>> what you want, ride off into the sunset and be delighted every darn day 
>> after.
>>
>> I know my answer is predictable, but I think you should consider the 
>> Platypus. I have 2 built and am waiting on super specialty parts for a 3rd. 
>> I have them all set up differently - they are not a collection; they are 
>> all used and loved and ridden. Well, not the unbuilt one, but it will be 
>> soon! They are so easy and so comfortable, and if you’ve never had a mixte 
>> frame you owe it to yourself to get one. They are so practical that I don’t 
>> know why everyone doesn’t have one. Want to load up the back rack and not 
>> kill yourself trying to mount the bike? Get a mixte. Want to be able to 
>> suddenly stop and jump off the bike, no big deal? Mixte. Want to look 
>> dapper and whimsical and romantic? Mixte. I’ve ridden mine on gravel rides. 
>> Paved rides. Club rides. Grocery rides. I run errands and shop and I have 
>> the best time. There are a million threads about the most famous of the 
>> mixtes, Pam’s Rivendell Betty Foy, which has 76k miles on it now and she 
>> has been everywhere with it. Planes, trains, overnights, camping, major US 
>> cities, middle of nowhere, you name it. I never get tired, it’s a bike I 
>> can ride forever.
>>
>> Get the mixte!
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Pam Bikes]

Platypus mixte.  I have the Betty Foy and use it for everything.  As Steve 
can tell you, I think he likes his alot.  I'm in Charlotte and have a 
Cheviot you can try.  It's the predecessor to the Platypus so it'd give you 
an idea.  Everyone who tries the Cheviot says it's the most comfortable 
bike they've ridden.  I ride mine daily and even if I'm under biking 
sometimes, it's always up to the challenge.

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another Platypus recommendation:
> [image: 4D7C22F7-27BF-4ACD-9875-E249DD1C4999_1_201_a.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 11:35:40 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> “I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it 
>> was never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to 
>> make all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to 
>> actually go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile.”
>>
>>
>> This quote resonates. I hate to see collections of bikes. I love to see 
>> bikes that are actually RIDDEN. It’s such a pleasure to see the beausage 
>> and personalization on a well-loved bike (do you know Pam Murray yet?). Get 
>> what you want, ride off into the sunset and be delighted every darn day 
>> after.
>>
>> I know my answer is predictable, but I think you should consider the 
>> Platypus. I have 2 built and am waiting on super specialty parts for a 3rd. 
>> I have them all set up differently - they are not a collection; they are 
>> all used and loved and ridden. Well, not the unbuilt one, but it will be 
>> soon! They are so easy and so comfortable, and if you’ve never had a mixte 
>> frame you owe it to yourself to get one. They are so practical that I don’t 
>> know why everyone doesn’t have one. Want to load up the back rack and not 
>> kill yourself trying to mount the bike? Get a mixte. Want to be able to 
>> suddenly stop and jump off the bike, no big deal? Mixte. Want to look 
>> dapper and whimsical and romantic? Mixte. I’ve ridden mine on gravel rides. 
>> Paved rides. Club rides. Grocery rides. I run errands and shop and I have 
>> the best time. There are a million threads about the most famous of the 
>> mixtes, Pam’s Rivendell Betty Foy, which has 76k miles on it now and she 
>> has been everywhere with it. Planes, trains, overnights, camping, major US 
>> cities, middle of nowhere, you name it. I never get tired, it’s a bike I 
>> can ride forever.
>>
>> Get the mixte!
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: tektro 559 left-right adjustment screw

[Pam Bikes]

Not sure what you need but I may have one from a parts pair of brakes.  
Take a picture and I'll see if I have the part and will send it to you.


On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 10:59:21 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I went to adjust it on my son's Roadini today and discovered that it had 
> fallen off (probably during an off-road excursion). What's the easiest way 
> to get a replacement?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[Pam Bikes]

I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
takes most of the force of the fall.

On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal 
> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance 
> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter 
> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's 
> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over 
> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of 
> trying to make these work. 
>
> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same 
> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that 
> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
> noticeable difference.
>
> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end price 
> rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or advice 
> welcome.
>

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[RBW] Re: Video: Repairing Pam Murray's Silver shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I'm beyond amazed how great this group is to come together to fix my broken 
shifters.  Thank you to Eric for taking them apart and to Mike Godwin for 
the guts.  I love to repair things and get full utility out of all 
components.  What a great video.

On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 9:35:26 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Lovely video, Eric. Your shop gives me those Van Neistat vibes. Thanks for 
> documenting this and sharing your process. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone — Last fall Pam Murray sent me some Silver shifter levers 
>> that were in need of repair. They came off her high-mileage Betty Foy after 
>> the springs wore out. 
>>
>> Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending me a broken pair of the old Suntour 
>> Sprint levers, they provided the parts I needed to get Pam's shifters back 
>> up and running. 
>>
>> I made a video about the process, it's up here: 
>> https://youtu.be/0g67pjAPYZk
>>
>> I hope this is helpful to anyone looking to get their worn out or broken 
>> Silver v1 or v2 shifters back into shape.
>>
>> Cheers! 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Pam Bikes]

I'll be there w/my Betty Foy.  I'll be leading a ride from the Convention 
Ctr to the Keystonebike party Sat at 7 pm, leading a Sun morning ride to 
the Expo and presenting Sun at 12.  Please come see me and ride w/me.  
https://phillybikeexpo.com/2024-seminars-and-events/#ride-posts-2024

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>
> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>
> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and donations 
> accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>
> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation

[Pam Bikes]

Arundel Looney Bins are adjustable and can hold all my bottles - Thermos, 
Nalgene, Swell, Polar Bottle, CorksicleDial holds it tight so no 
rattles.

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 9:22:44 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I have a Klean Kanteen 800ml w/ a bamboo top. The top would rattle a 
> little during rides but I put a tiny strip of Newbaum's on it and it's now 
> rattle free. It fits snugly in a King Iris cage.  
>
> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 8:29:14 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the Bivo suggestion, those are just what I have been 
>> looking for. I ordered two and am going to give them a test run soon!
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 9:23:42 PM UTC-8 ocea...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for king cages and I’ve recently discovered Bivo water bottles. 
>>> They’re excellent and silent. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 + 1 Iris. Simple, indestructible, elegant shape,

 Jock

 On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> I've enjoyed the Iris King cages 
> .
>  
> Very secure and quite elegant looking.
> [image: Screen Shot 2024-02-25 at 8.06.35 PM.png]
> Cheers, John
>
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 7:52:55 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> These have worked well for me. Adjustable fit to keep the bottle 
>> firmly in place.
>>
>> [image: cfff0946e78b4f4406f14619c8cbfea9.jpeg]
>>
>> Mojave Water Bottle Cage 
>> 
>> velo-orange.com 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Bernard Duhon  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mates, 
>>  
>> I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle.  Most folks with 
>> em I noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.
>>  
>> Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any 
>> composition)  
>>  
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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Leah’s Stuff

[Pam Bikes]

Tempted on the pedals but those pins would eat my shins.

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> First up, the offerings:
>
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Now, onto the product descriptions:
>
> 1. Microshift shifters: I love these. Love the red. They are sold out on 
> Riv’s website. Originally $60, you pay $40, plus shipping.
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> 2. You can call it a crank/chainring but I call it my Shark Teeth. Buy my 
> Shark Teeth! Riv sells these for $280. You can have this one for $180, 
> plus shipping.
> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg]
>
>
> 3. Brake Levers: Shimano DXR MX70: MSRP: $74, pay $50, plus shipping
> [image: image5.jpeg]
>
> 4. Velo Orange Levers:
> These have a gentle pink hue. They used to be anodized a rich raspberry 
> but the sun faded them. If you want a little color but not a lot, these are 
> a nice hint of pink. They are feather-light.  Originally $85, yours for 
> $55, plus shipping.
>
> [image: image9.jpeg]
>
> 5. Brooks B67: This was mounted only a brief time and got maybe 50 miles 
> of riding. It looks pretty much mint. Retails for $170; yours for $125, 
> plus shipping.
> [image: image6.jpeg][image: image7.jpeg]
>
> 6. Deity Deftrap Pedals: These are just the best pedals. Inexpensive, so 
> comfortable and I like the pop of color they give a bike, esp a blue bike. 
> These retail for $58, but you can have them for $25, plus shipping.
> [image: image8.jpeg]
>
> 7. V Brakes: Riv lists them for $20, but for you: FREE! Just pay the 
> shipping.
> [image: image10.jpeg]
>
> Thanks for shopping at my store. 
> Leah
>
> On Feb 5, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I have my Purple Pocket Platy frame here, waiting for its very unique 
> parts to arrive. This bike was supposed to get parts I already own, but the 
> vision has evolved. It went from a fun bike with some pops of color 
> to….well, full 1980s My Little Pony. Remember when you were a little girl 
> (ok, mostly the RivSisters will feel me here), and you played dress up, and 
> there was a stash of princess dresses AND jewelry AND shoes AND tiaras AND 
> wands? All for the taking? And there was no wrong answer so you WORE IT 
> ALL? This bike is a version of that. So, what was a simple idea has become 
> a complex idea, and it bore out in the purchasing of custom parts with lots 
> of wild anodizing. You’ll have to see it to believe it. But you’ll wait 
> another 6 weeks, because I’m pretty sure that’s how long it will take for 
> them to arrive. 
>
>
> Never one to have things in a “parts bin” I want to move along these 
> treasures. Photos and descriptions coming in second post.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Pam Bikes]

I've had good luck using Amtrak alot.  It takes a phone call to make sure.  
In NC we can take a bike b/t Charlotte and Raleigh w/a reservation and 
there is no cost to bring your bike.  You can get off any station in b/t 
and there are 4 round trip trains daily.  So I can do daytrips to each 
station (Charlotte, Kannapolis, Salisbury, Greensboro, High Point, 
Burlington, Durham, Cary, Raleigh).  So it works but takes some planning.

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Amtrak has been working hard the past ten years to make affordable bike 
> transport available and on all it's trains.
>
> Marc
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 8:22:07 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It’s unfortunate that this country never has, and never will embrace 
>> multi-modal transportation. Just think of all the biking possibilities that 
>> could be available to so many more of us, and not just those who live in 
>> major metropolitan areas. 
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2024, at 8:00 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yes, you remember rightly, George. This was why I had to get a 50 cm 
>> Platy (still waiting for parts to be built) - so that I could put it on 
>> Amtrak; the 55 is just too long. And even then the 50 will be a tight fit, 
>> and you can only have so many bikes on the train, and there’s some other 
>> dumb rules that may or may not be enforced when we get there. It’s not a 
>> bulletproof plan. Marc does it with a Brompton.
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:54 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> I hate to throw a wet blanket on this idea, but wasn't there some 
>> discussion on this forum a while back about taking bikes on Amtrak, which 
>> trains allow them and which ones don't, where and how they store the bikes, 
>> etc?  Not sure if that was ever resolved for this route. Has anyone done 
>> this before on this Amtrak Wolverine route?
>>
>> On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marc! You want to do this with me, I’m sure!
>>> The Lone Wolf and The Platypus Rider Ride Across Two States. I can see 
>>> it now.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, 
>>>
>>>  The ride from Millenium Park sounds like the route I've taken 
>>> several times to and from Chicago, using Indiana Dunes as one of the 
>>> overnights.  It would be a good ride, you could take Amtrak to Chicago and 
>>> return on Amtrak from New Buffalo.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Leif, I could do this It’s Father’s day weekend, so that is the 
 only possible snag. I’m going to try and make this ride! Thank you!!!
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 25, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Leif Eckstrom  wrote:

 Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, 


 There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from Chicago’s Millenium 
 Park to New Buffalo, MI, spread out over 2 days, totalling about 100 miles 
 all told. June 14-15 (Friday and Saturday).  Hundreds of friendly 
 riders—most camp the first night at Indiana Dunes state park, but hotels 
 are another option. Easy pace. Easy route. Food and sag support. 
 There are a number of Ragbrai riders who attend this ride from chicago. 
 Perhaps they could give you a taste of ragbrai without all the logistical 
 headaches. 
 I had a lot of fun last year on this ride and made plenty of new 
 friends. Registration opens Sunday, February 11. There are busses and 
 moving trucks to take you, your luggage, and your bike back to chicago 
 should you like. 

 More details here. https://www.bikereg.com/63763

 Best, 
 Leif in Chicago

 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading 
> about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and 
> difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. 
>
> Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great 
> thread to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.
> Leah
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>
> If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where 
> they haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely 
> be 
> nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  
>
>
> I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and 
> setting it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to 
> site quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck 
> and 
> if I had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, 
> but tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it 
> together with a cable 

[RBW] Re: Nitto R10

[Pam Bikes]

Thanks all for your collective wisdom.  I looked at it again and don't 
think it would work either.  And the R50 won't help much since I need help 
on the bottom.  I'll try Steve's coroplast idea to see if that helps.  I 
was trying to just have one big bag on this bike.  But when I carry stuff 
it gets heavy and sags.  I may add the coroplast and out a front bag on or 
just make sure I'm w/someone else w/more carrying capacity.  

I never have a problem carrying stuff on my Betty.  I'm so used to having 2 
big bags and a rear rack.  And then the sky is the limit literally.  That 
and the 50 lb weight limit of the rack or whatever it's supposed to be.  
But I won't go far with that much weight anyway.

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 3:18:12 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here is a link to a Nitto R50 Andrews Bag Holder:
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/18670-nitto-r50-andrews-bag-holder-rivendell-3797#attr=
>
> There is only one available LEFT ! ! ! 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 7:05:19 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Pam, unfortunately your combination of chunky seatpost binder, old-school 
>> seatpin and sandwich clamp, and the springs on your saddle aren't doing you 
>> any favors in regards to freeing up what already limited space you have. I 
>> seriously doubt the clamp for the R10 will find space on your post. And, as 
>> others have mentioned, the design of the R10 would likely dip down too far 
>> to avoid interfering with your wheel. It's a shame there are no other 
>> braze-ons along the length of your seat stays. One option may be to find a 
>> small rack like a Nitto Mark's rack, and see if you can find rack struts 
>> long enough to reach down to the rear dropouts, and then either fashion a 
>> diving board to the brake bridge (where you have your fender clip mounted), 
>> or use another set of rack struts with p-clamps around your seat stays.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 9:56:20 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Pam, you might try a trick I've used to stiffen the bag enough to 
>>> prevent sagging. Get your hands on a sheet of corrugated plastic - the same 
>>> stuff that is used for political campaign yard signs (they should soon be 
>>> readily available for no cost ; )   
>>>
>>> Cut the plastic sheet to fit the interior width of the bag and long 
>>> enough to cover the bottom and extend up onto the front wall of the bag. 
>>> The corrugations need to run across the width of the cut sheet so you can 
>>> fold it to curve up the front wall. The sheet should be sized to fit 
>>> slightly snug to prevent it shifting around inside the bag. It's a low 
>>> cost, light weight solution that repurposes  bit of plastic that is 
>>> otherwise destined for the land fill.
>>>
>>> Your Schwinn looks like a sweet little bike in its own right. 
>>>
>>> Steve in Asheville
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 12:43:31 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thinking about getting a R10 as a bag support - for a small Fab's 
>>>> Chest.  This is on my back up Schwinn.  I set it up just like my Betty Foy 
>>>> in case I ever need any parts.  Concerns are that I have a 26.6 seatpost 
>>>> and it says 26.8.  I guess I could get a shim.  Would it hold?  How much 
>>>> is 
>>>> the weight limit for the rack?  And I'm not sure if I have enough seat 
>>>> post 
>>>> to put the clamp.  Right now, I have the pec dec but if I put too much in 
>>>> the bag, it starts to sag and I don't want it dragging on the tire.  
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Pam Bikes]

Leah, if you do that ride, maybe I can come too.  Especially if I can 
figure out how to get home from there.  Maybe some Riv sisters could do it 
too.  

I'm loving this conversation finding out about more rides.  

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:54:12 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I hate to throw a wet blanket on this idea, but wasn't there some 
> discussion on this forum a while back about taking bikes on Amtrak, which 
> trains allow them and which ones don't, where and how they store the bikes, 
> etc?  Not sure if that was ever resolved for this route. Has anyone done 
> this before on this Amtrak Wolverine route?
>
> On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Marc! You want to do this with me, I’m sure!
>> The Lone Wolf and The Platypus Rider Ride Across Two States. I can see it 
>> now.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>
>> Leah, 
>>
>>  The ride from Millenium Park sounds like the route I've taken 
>> several times to and from Chicago, using Indiana Dunes as one of the 
>> overnights.  It would be a good ride, you could take Amtrak to Chicago and 
>> return on Amtrak from New Buffalo.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Leif, I could do this It’s Father’s day weekend, so that is the only 
>>> possible snag. I’m going to try and make this ride! Thank you!!!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Leif Eckstrom  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, 
>>>
>>>
>>> There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from Chicago’s Millenium 
>>> Park to New Buffalo, MI, spread out over 2 days, totalling about 100 miles 
>>> all told. June 14-15 (Friday and Saturday).  Hundreds of friendly 
>>> riders—most camp the first night at Indiana Dunes state park, but hotels 
>>> are another option. Easy pace. Easy route. Food and sag support. 
>>> There are a number of Ragbrai riders who attend this ride from chicago. 
>>> Perhaps they could give you a taste of ragbrai without all the logistical 
>>> headaches. 
>>> I had a lot of fun last year on this ride and made plenty of new 
>>> friends. Registration opens Sunday, February 11. There are busses and 
>>> moving trucks to take you, your luggage, and your bike back to chicago 
>>> should you like. 
>>>
>>> More details here. https://www.bikereg.com/63763
>>>
>>> Best, 
>>> Leif in Chicago
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading 
 about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and 
 difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. 

 Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread 
 to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.
 Leah

 On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:

 If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where 
 they haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
 nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  


 I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and 
 setting it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to 
 site quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and 
 if I had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, 
 but tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it 
 together with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a 
 few 
 days.  A lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into 
 my 
 panniers and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed 
 with the luggage service side of the trip.  

 However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with 
 strangers every evening.  

 One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me 
 off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot 
 days.  

 The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure 
 you have a power bank available.  

 Good luck,
 Matt

 On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>
> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to 
> figure 
> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure 
> scene 
> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not 

Re: [RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Pam Bikes]

I'm 5ft and have a pbh of 68.  I have a 47 Betty Foy w/26 in wheels.  I 
need the step through frame for stand over.  I've never found a bike w/ a 
horizontal top tube w/enough standover for me.  But I don't know your 
wife's pbh.  My daughter has a 50 Betty w/650b and it's too big for me.  If 
you want to come to NC, she's welcome to try out my bike and my daughters 
bike for size.  I'm in Charlotte.
On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 8:17:30 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> My wife is 5' 2" & loves her 47 cm Atlantis with 1.5" x 26" Schwalbe 
> Marathon Supreme tires. I have a 58 cm Atlantis. When I ride her bike (to 
> check out something) it seems to accelerate much quicker than mine. Rims 
> are different & of course the 700 x 40 wheel / tire set up is heavier. The 
> small Atlantis is hard to find. There were also a miniscule number of 44 cm 
> that were made. A few years ago, during one of their periodic inventories, 
> Rivendell "found" 2 47s tucked away somewhere. Who knows, there might still 
> be one at RBWHQ. Give them a call.
>
> DougP
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:28:52 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> [image: 00k0k_kQoDqkw1aM7_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa Travel bike - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - 
>> craigslist 
>> 
>> seattle.craigslist.org 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Michael Morrissey  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a 
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> Michael 
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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Pam Bikes]

Leah, you could do any ride you want.  There are rides in every state 
including NC.  Our cross the state ride is from the Mountains to the Coast 
and will be 10/6-13.  I've done it 3 times.  Camping is the way to go b/c 
there are not enough hotels and honestly they are motels since these are 
small towns and not great.  I plan to do it this year so maybe you can come 
ride it w/me.  The ride is smaller than RAGBRAI.  It's about 800-1000 
riders and a few Rivs.  Logistics - fly into Charlotte then we can drop a 
van at the end so when we're done, we drive back.  Cycle NC puts on the 
ride and registration includes moving your tent, luggage on the truck, 
shower trucks and campsites.  Lots of people do many of the state rides and 
say the NC one is well organized.  I would agree.  The ride this year 
starts in Spruce Pine and ends at Ocean Isle Beach.  Charlotte is only 
about 2 hrs from Spruce Pine.  Come ride across NC w/me.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:37:23 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> George is right. I wonder if those wheelman will let a raspberry racing 
> Platypus and its non-self-sufficient rider on any of their rides. Here’s to 
> new adventures! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 5:11 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Not to worry, all is not lost.  There's this ride calendar of events in 
> the Wolverine state: 
> https://lmb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/RideCal_2023_v5_web.pdf
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading 
>> about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and 
>> difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. 
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread 
>> to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>>
>> If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they 
>> haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
>> nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  
>>
>>
>> I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting 
>> it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site 
>> quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I 
>> had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but 
>> tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together 
>> with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A 
>> lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers 
>> and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the 
>> luggage service side of the trip.  
>>
>> However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with 
>> strangers every evening.  
>>
>> One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me 
>> off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot 
>> days.  
>>
>> The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you 
>> have a power bank available.  
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>>>
>>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
>>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
>>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
>>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
>>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
>>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
>>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>>
>>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
>>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
>>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
>>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
>>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
>>> others?
>>>
>>> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
>>> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
>>> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
>>> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>>>
>>> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
>>> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
>>> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Pam Bikes]

Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment since 
she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which was the 
Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  Please let 
her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun helping her 
accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any questions.  

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Tim -
>
> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So 
>> yeah they're basically the same.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
>> fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[Pam Bikes]

Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on the 
short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty Foy or 
Cheviot?
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell builds I've 
> seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>
>> I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure you'll 
>> find it a new home.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever since I 
>>> put it together, it hasn’t snowed. So here for sale is the bestest bike 
>>> for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 at the seat tube, 
>>> but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here asap. 
>>> Pictures
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
>>> Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
>>> internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
>>> lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack can 
>>> carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack only ever 
>>> having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant to load 
>>> up the back of toptubeless frame. 
>>> I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see is 
>>> included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d like to swap 
>>> out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen much of the 
>>> world.
>>> Very rare! Highly collectible?!
>>> $2000.
>>> Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Pam Bikes]

LOVE all the pictures!  I can't wait to see it in person in Philly at the 
Philly Bike Expo.  I hope you do come ride w/me again.  And we should go 
ride in MI w/Leah.  She makes it sound delightful.  

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> John, I will measure when I get home tonight.  
>
> What an interesting thought, Andy.   In fact, pre-Riv I didn’t even know 
> you could change a stem or any other component, except for tires.
>
> I took the pics after my ride on Sunday, which I started once the rain had 
> stopped.  I've been on several short rides—less than 10 miles each so I’m 
> still getting to know the bike.  Platypus wants to surge forward.  Betty 
> seems more subdued.  What I'm really looking forward to longer rides and 
> more adventures.  Great Dr. Seuss story.  I hadn't read that one before 
> last night.
>
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 11:33:11 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Fantastic bike Roberta! I love the personal touches you put on it to make 
>> it your custom Rivendell. Don't you love it when a plan comes together.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:00:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, all of what Andy said. I have never said these words but I FEEL 
>>> them after reading his post. What a lovely thought, that your bike is the 
>>> culmination of all of your riding experiences. I’m going to think about 
>>> this for awhile…
>>>
>>> And, I also concur that the bike deserves a better moniker. I’ll also 
>>> think on THAT.
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2023, at 6:32 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>>
>>> Fantastic Roberta!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A bike is the sum of its parts. More accurately, a sum of the stories of 
>>> all the parts that they represent to you. It validates all of your past 
>>> riding by developing preferences and aesthetics of parts you may not have 
>>> been keenly aware of before 2017. Most production (boxed) bikes are 
>>> specified for price point by choosing lower level parts for the bits most 
>>> riders aren't familiar with or don't notice. Building a bike like yours is 
>>> deeply rewarding and culminates all of your efforts, experiences and gained 
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>> It's not a "retirement bike", it's a bike to provide for your "not 
>>> working 8 hours of each day anymore bike". In that role your Betty Foy 
>>> appears ready for all uses, your pictures even show a wet ground, 
>>> validating fenders and flaps before you've even posted an initial ride 
>>> report.
>>>
>>> Makes me think of the Dr. Seuss classic, Oh, the Places You'll Go.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!

 Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.

 For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s 
 list for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found 
 Rivendell in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but 
 shorter (I didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could 
 take it on the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like 
 my 2019 54.5 Homer.

 During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince 
 suggested a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist 
 thread, I drove to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked 
 the 
 RBW poster.  I think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s 
 because only one heart lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the 
 seat tube is 58cm.  The color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a 
 sage/teal, which I like more.

 It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
 me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
 bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy 
 as my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I 
 have more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it 
 had was an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water 
 bottle bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.

 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in 
 back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King 
 Slick tires are as I purchased the bike.

 I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little 
 girl whose Dad is on the iBob board 
 https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ 
 ), red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
 Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
 Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
 in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
 honey, 

Re: [RBW] New Bike Stuff Day

[Pam Bikes]

I love that you are loving your Platypus.  I so enjoy these updates.  That 
bike can do it ALL!  Can't wait for more updates and ride reports.

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:05:51 PM UTC-5 Ben C wrote:

> Great ride report! Some lovely platypus inspirational build stuff going on 
> here also. That rack and that bag look great. I'm surprised how good the 
> black fenders look on this, too.
>
> -ben in lex, still putting new parts as they come in on his platypus
>
> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 9:52 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> I spent the morning mounting up some bike stuff I've been acquiring 
>> recently. A B-17 to replace it's predecessor a C-17 (not a bad saddle, but 
>> not in the same comfort league as the B models, though your keister may 
>> differ); 42mm RH 650b slicks (stepping up from 38s); a Nitto M-12 (I 
>> worried it might collide with the V-brake cable but it fit !); and lastly, 
>> a Ruthworks 8" Rando bag (love at first sight). 
>> Grabbed some lunch and headed out for a few miles of forest service road, 
>> a stretch on the Blue Ridge Parkway and a bit of smooth single track.The 
>> weather was perfect..
>>
>> -- I've only been riding the Platypus since mid-summer and had considered 
>> it to be more of a pavement/rail trail bike. Today's ride opened my eyes to 
>> just how capable this thing is.  
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> [image: 35912B89-A62C-4073-8C64-96850F581815.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 22892EC1-62D1-49E3-9A10-E1EE7A6B0F42.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD2 triple, 175mm

[Pam Bikes]

Yep.  My crank arms are 165.  Just looked them up.  I could use the 
chainrings but not the crank arms.

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:02:19 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's 110 BCD for the bigger rings, 74 granny ring. Nice cranks, nice 
> price, but the length of the arms might be a stretch for you. You're 
> probably used to 170mm (or shorter). 
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 8:15:18 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'd like that but I think I need a BCD 110 for my Betty.  
>>
>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:19:39 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 2F5171D3-638E-4337-8476-972CEA76C2BC.jpeg]
>>>
>>> $75 plus shipping to you. It’s a 48/36/24. Pedal washers and bolts 
>>> included. Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv's new handlebar bag

[Pam Bikes]

Let me know how you like it.  I'm tempted but have lots of handlebar bags 
already.  I want one easy to open/close and not get in the way of the 
cables.

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 3:40:24 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Impulse purchase for sure. I've been thinking about a handlebar bag a lot 
> recently & this new bag popped up in the e mail update. It looks pretty 
> cool(?) and I have none of Riv's bags so.., in spite of it only being 
> available in the single color I jumped. While I was at it I ordered a 
> Kangaroo because being able to attach one to the  EZPZ seems kinda clever & 
> useful. Anyone else order one?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD2 triple, 175mm

[Pam Bikes]

I'd like that but I think I need a BCD 110 for my Betty.  

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:19:39 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 2F5171D3-638E-4337-8476-972CEA76C2BC.jpeg]
>
> $75 plus shipping to you. It’s a 48/36/24. Pedal washers and bolts 
> included. Thanks! 
>
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[RBW] New bike - packing materials

[Pam Bikes]

If you get a new bike and don't ever plan to box it or travel w/it and are 
going to throw away the packing materials, I'd like to request the seat 
tube plug.  Occasionally I'll box my bike to take w/me when I fly.  BTW I 
think if you box your bike for Amtrak, I think it's only $10 vs the $20 
extra for roll on service.  But I read that and haven't tried it so not 
sure.  But you may want to check it out if you use Amtrak.

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Pam Bikes]

I want a B68s in honey if anyone is getting a complete.  I'd buy you a 
replcaement Brooks and exchange for it.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:50:18 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Bill, 
>
> Good thing that car's a rental. Yanking ice-covered car doors will result 
> in the door opening but often minus its seals. 
>
> Ice like that is an amazing precipitation, saw lots of it in the Ozarks 
> where we were on that line between classic snow winter lands and those that 
> just get cold and rainy. I had some OG golf shoes (metal spikes) for the 
> worst days to be able to walk to work and the grocery when surfaces were 
> coated in that glass ice. Urban crampons. Natty black and white saddle shoe 
> oxford uppers. I did make some studded tires out of a set of worn TriCross 
> tires with metal screws but that was still a big gamble in that sort of 
> stuff if it isn't flat. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh (66°F)
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time 
>> to see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
>> unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
>> For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
>> rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, nothing 
>> dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
>> is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  Every 
>> tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
>> coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
>> hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
>> wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> Wayne County Michigan
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke 
>>> up to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? 
>>> And JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
 parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
 this basically as WTB/ISO post. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Pam Bikes]

Love that you match your bike so well.  Great style for your bike and you!  
You are a well-matched pair.

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay...I'll risk the catcalls and cheap jokes - here's a glamour pic of my 
> stylish riding kit. I say "function first & to each their own". 
>
> [image: IMG_1918.jpeg]
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:41:28 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Johnny, fellow Gex Xer here. 80s fashion was something to behold indeed! 
>> I must say that I do miss my black Members Only jacket and wish I still had 
>> it. I'll leave the denim jean jacket in the past though along with the 
>> mullet haircut.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:18:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> *where. Man do I hate that there is no edit functionality
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:17:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I'm firmly Gen X and we 100% were doing pegged pant legs in the 80's. 
 Hip to do with a pair of Bugle Boys. 90's fashion is OK to make a comeback 
 but 80's is not. Let's leave that were it was. :)

 On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:31:15 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> 
> Gosh, Danielle, I am so sorry to hear about you being hit by a car. 
> So, so sorry. I would have never thought about wooden shoes but wow, I 
> can 
> see how they would have protected your foot. Were you hit on the Cheviot? 
> And its still in working order? 
>
> I was also wondering about the peg and fold because I was class of ‘99 
> - here I thought we had invented it but Bill’s generation had already 
> been 
> there done that!
>
> Dorothy, I did not know that you sew your own clothes, but that 
> elevates you to an even higher status now that I do!
>
> Emily, yes, we are the same age! I love your ideas and will try the 
> more aggressive folding. But I would love to see your wide-leg styles 
> since 
> I’m just getting into them.
>
> You RivSisters should definitely send us some bike style portraits. 
> Don’t leave Luke and I hanging out here by ourselves!
>
> Off to work. Hope to see more in this thread when I get off at 2:30.
> L
>
> On Sep 10, 2023, at 12:54 PM, danielle da cruz  
> wrote:
>
> Love the topic, the pics, and stand with Bill on the peg and fold 
> (and the hairsprayed bangs though I'm class of '96)! And Leah, I feel 
> your 
> pain having recently greased up the leg of my new 
> so-pale-blue-they're-nearly-white wide leg overalls.
>
> I ride to work and so don't dress only for my bike. In warmer weather 
> I love a shorter dress (Cheviot rider here, though I'll rock a dress on 
> the 
> Roadini when it arrives) and love my sneaker pedals to bike in wooden 
> clogs 
> and wooden soled sandals. One of those probably saved my foot when I was 
> hit on my way to work last summer. My ankle was broken, the shoe smashed 
> to 
> pieces, all foot bones intact :) I bought a second pair and wear them 
> nearly every ride to work.
>
> For the transition seasons when I'm not yet in socks I do love a good 
> peg and fold on the wide leg pants, just have to roll them high enough. 
> Otherwise I'd do a tuck into a high sock. Please keep the suggestions and 
> photos coming! 
>
> Danielle
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:03:42 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I 
>> love these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made 
>> very 
>> specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the 
>> JMMs 
>> all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  
>>
>> You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. 
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My 
>> go to is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my 
>> true 
>> waist and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat 
>> pedals 
>> very, very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. 
>> I 
>> live that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have 
>> riding specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of 
>> my 
>> jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some 
>>> elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it 
>>> by 
>>> the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can 
>>> get 
>>> creative and wrap 

Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Pam Bikes]

I wear Uggs gloves that are shearling w/the Riv overmitts on top.  The 
overmitts don't have a palm so the palm is still my leather glove palm.  
The layering combo is best for me.  I tried ski gloves but didn't feel like 
they were as warm.  And these were the down filled ski gloves.  And the 
palm wasn't as grippy.

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Gander Thinsulate finger flap design would be perfect. Long ago I had 
> something like that, though not as warm as I need: basically a gauntlet 
> cycling glove with leather padded palm and half fingers with flip up finger 
> covers. I'd very much like to get something similar but with more 
> insulation and bigger finger holes so I can wear a wool glove underneath.
>
> I Googled (and duckduckgo'd, but ddg is useless for serious searches) 
> Gander mittens but found nothing like yours. Are these still made? Does 
> anyone have a link to an online source?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Will: boiled wool is indeed warm and I might look for thick boiled wool 
> mittens to wear over wool DeFeet gloves or liners, but the flip-cap design 
> is very handy.
>
> Jeff: I've given up on PI Lobsters after finding my second pair in ~4 
> years awkward to put on and cold below about 20*F.
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 8:30 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:
>
>> I've used hunter's mittens for years.  They have a lot of practical 
>> advantages : 
>> http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2013/02/toasty-hands.html
>>
>> Marc
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[Pam Bikes]

Great story!  I took my Betty to the Asheville Riv ride.  We rode Bent 
Creek and as we rode in I passed so many people on full suspension MTBs.  
Needless to say I was underbiked.  But she handled well as all Rivs do.  
You just need to trust the bike.  And have a blast!  Thanks for sharing 
your story.

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Leah helped me with process of finding and then going through the process 
> of custom painting my Platypus. If I was a super cool technology person I 
> could direct your right to that conversation. There is also someone who 
> custom painted an orange bike... 
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:19:51 AM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>
>> Leah and Sarah, I've passed your support to Mathilde to which she said 
>> "See, they get it!" :)
>>
>> And also, I wouldn't say I crashed twice, more like I had to bail from 
>> the bike because I lost balance. Nothing catastrophic (except for a bruise 
>> or two from those damn bear trap pedals!)
>>
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 7:11:15 PM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> And I wanted a raspberry bike! So I also say make it happen for the 
>>> yellow or orange bike!
>>>
>>> I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread, start to finish. I was as 
>>> delighted as if it had been me who got the experience. How wonderful. But I 
>>> would not have been brave enough to be doing single track out there with 
>>> Riv People. You crashed twice? Nope, nope, nope. Put me back on the bike 
>>> path please and thank you.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As a lady who also wanted a yellow bike... and custom painted one 
 Make it happen! Say goodbye to barf green!


 On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.
>
> Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and 
> travel to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride 
> around 
> Shell Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some 
> odds 
> and ends, but my wife has never been. 
>
> She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) 
> that I sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing 
> bike, but as she didn't pick it, it's never truly been *hers*. I was 
> excited for her to try out a few bikes and finally find her one true 
> steed.
>
> We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find 
> their PBH size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation 
> about what type of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a 
> Platypus, 
> Homer (the new gold ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, 
> amongst others. She immediately fell in love with the Homer and was 
> zipping 
> around the compound with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I 
> nerded out with James, checking out his Homer and Atlantis.
>
> Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the 
> color of her frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in 
> the light (all things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For 
> context, my wife is obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and 
> nothing else will please her :) Grant conceded to her that yes, one 
> should 
> have a bike in a color that makes them love it, and so it in was in 
> friendly jest that for the rest of our time together Grant kept talking 
> up 
> her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was hilarious.
>
> After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer 
> out the details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride 
> some trails. I confessed that we'd never been out there before and James 
> let me take a photo of a map they had on hand to get there. 
>
> We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan 
> (on his army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!
>
> They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give 
> us the option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). 
> Obviously, we were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our 
> first ride in Riv's backyard. How cool is that??
>
> So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some 
> light trails, and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and 
> Dan gave each other a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two 
> look like you can handle yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll 
> be fun!"
>
> Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we 
> spend most of our time on easier 

[RBW] Re: Help me repair Pam's Silver shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I ordered a new shifter but - duh - ordered the wrong one.  So I ordered 
the correct one.  It's on it's way.  

I promise I'm not lax about my bike.  But I'm not overly careful.  Parts 
wear out and break.  I like a tall kickstand and I strap my purse on the 
handlebars and sometimes it falls or the wind blows it down.  I have been 
better.  And sometimes I get it off Amtrak and it has fallen apparently.  
So now I have some foam and a cardboard tube I put on the L so if it falls 
it won't break hopefully.  But I know I'll need another shifter at some 
point in the future.  

I like to keep spare parts in the closet.  I use my bike everyday. 

BTW I did try to put an old pair of SunTour shifters on and for some 
reason, They wouldn't get tight enough to have enough friction to hold.  A 
friend had a pair I would have used.

Thank you to everyone who is helping us out.  Among us all we have all the 
parts.  

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:12:44 AM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I am frankly amazed at the workout Pam is giving her bike, to wear out 
> multiple shifter pawls! I can imagine a few ways to do a repair, none of 
> which are "worth it", in terms of resource and money cost (3D printing, 
> filing down a bit of aluminum bar, CNC milling). The most expedient fix, 
> IMO, would be to epoxy the ratchet gear to the shifter body so that the 
> both directions work in friction mode.
> -Wes
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:02:06 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all — I'm looking for some neglected, cast off or broken Silver 1 
>> shifters to scavenge so that I can repair some broken Silver 1 shifters 
>> sent to me by forum member Pam Murray. If you have some you aren't using or 
>> that you think are broken which you are willing to send me for the cost of 
>> shipping please let me know. I will use them to repair Pam's shifters and 
>> get them back to her! 
>>
>> I recently read enjoyed Pam's thread on broken Silver shifters 
>> . 
>> And right on time one of my Silvers broke. So I took mine apart to have a 
>> look. It turns out the spring was clogged with corrosion and wouldn't 
>> compress, allowing for the pawl to hold the ratchet wheel and hold tension 
>> on the shifter cable. Luckily the spring and pawl only needed to be cleaned 
>> and reassembled. 
>>
>> Pam sent me three broken Silver shifters. As many of us know, Pam has put 
>> tens of thousands of miles on her legendary Betty Foy. She's worn out many 
>> parts and she's interested in getting them back into service when possible. 
>> I took a look and was able to fix one of the shifters. The other two 
>> require new pawls, which I can't locate. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-19 at 10.59.05 PM.png]
>>
>> I reached out to Dia Compe in Taiwan about spare parts. They replied 
>> quickly but said they could not send me any bits and pieces and suggested I 
>> contact Rivendell. 
>>
>> So I wrote to Will Keating at Rivendell, who's a wonderfully helpful and 
>> nice guy and a friend and he said he'd send me some parts. Well, they 
>> arrived today and they're *brand new* Silver 2 levers. I really don't 
>> want to destroy brand new shifters to revive old shifters! I'm sure the 
>> pawls I need are inside but I can't bring myself to tear them apart. 
>> They've very definitely never been installed on a bike. 
>>
>> I have found some replacement springs from McMaster-Carr 
>> . They're heavier gauge wire and 
>> slightly longer than the stock springs from Dia Compe. But they fit and 
>> they work. They do result in a lever with heavier action but they do not 
>> make the lever difficult to operate. 
>>
>> My plan, once I locate some pawls, is to make a Silver shifter repair and 
>> maintenance video. I hope that with donated parts from other members I can 
>> fix Pam's shifters, show the process of disassembly, repair and re-assembly 
>> and share it with the group (and the rest of the web). I'll include a 
>> detailed look of the proper order for all the bits and how the get the 
>> shifter closed back up. 
>>
>> Thanks in advance! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

Please take pictures next time.  Of the before, during and after and how 
you get the press fit plate back on.  

Next, I'm trying to think of a padded sleeve to slip on the grip over the 
bar end when I put it on the train.  I'm hoping to cushion the blow and 
absorb the impact w/some foam like pipe insulation inside some pvc or 
cardboard tube to cover the bar end and the grip.  On the bright side, my 
XTR rapid rise rear derailer isn't getting broken.

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:14:09 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> My drive-side Silver 1 shifter quit holding tension last week. This was 
> after two years of regular use on my most-ridden bike, a Sam Hillborne. I 
> swapped the shifter for a Silver 2 and kept on riding. 
>
> Last night, inspired by this thread, I took my shifter apart. Apologies 
> ahead of time but I didn't take any pictures. The pawl and spring were 
> clogged up with cloudy white corrosion. The corrosion caused the spring to 
> seize and that lead to no movement in the pawl, disabling the ratchet. I 
> removed all the parts, brushed them with a brass parts cleaning brush and 
> rubbed the spring, pawl and inner parts with an oily rag. I haven't 
> re-installed the lever but the clicks have returned and it appears to be 
> working again. 
>
> Today I measured the spring with my calipers and ordered some replacement 
> springs in two different sizes. I had a hard time finding a perfect match 
> for the existing spring which appears to match imperial measurements. OD: 
> 1/8", overall length: 5/16". The wire gauge is 0.3mm. The springs I ordered 
> are very close to my shifter spring, one size is a little shorter, the 
> other is a little longer. I'll report back on which fits best. 
>
> I'm encouraged by my disassembly and feel confident these shifters are 
> repairable. Though I'm unaware of a source for replacement pawls. Are they 
> out there? 
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:19:49 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3819.JPG]
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:05:37 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I took one apart.  It's missing the little spring.  Not sure where I can 
>>> find one.  If anyone has one, I'd like to try to fix this one.  The other 
>>> one I can't get apart to look at the innards but I think it was missing a 
>>> washer so maybe that was the problem.  I think maybe it needed more 
>>> friction to hold it together maybe?  I've already replaced it so I'll try 
>>> it next time.  
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:06 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just want to fix them if possible.  I hate throwing stuff away.  
>>>> These are definitely not set up errors as they were operable then after 
>>>> several falls over the years they broke.  They would work for years then 
>>>> break.  I can replace them and have but now I have several broken ones.  I 
>>>> will take one apart and see what it looks like.  I didn't want to do more 
>>>> damage than already.  I will find someone to help me.  Thanks all!
>>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The OP has repeated that they are not mechanical.  The thing that 
>>>>> isn't clear to me is whether the OP wants to be mechanical.  If you have 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> bunch of broken shifters, and want to learn how mechanical people 
>>>>> visualize 
>>>>> a mechanism working and how they use that knowledge to diagnose and 
>>>>> remedy 
>>>>> failures, then it sounds like the OP needs a mechanical mentor.  You 
>>>>> should 
>>>>> find somebody who you trust and who is generous with their time and want 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> describe their process to you.  Have them take one apart with you 
>>>>> watching.  Have them explain what they are seeing and what they think 
>>>>> they 
>>>>> want to do to fix your shifter(s), or tell you they are all hosed and 
>>>>> throw 
>>>>> them away.  It's hard to be a mentor over a google group.  Mentorship 
>>>>> happens in-person.  
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't find or don't want to find a mentor, maybe you want 
>>>>> somebody to just try to fix them for you so you don't have to think about 
>>>>> it?  Again, that person should be somebody you trust, so if they say 
>>>>> "these 
>>>>> are hosed" you won't feel like it's a waste throwing them out.  Again, it 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Pam Bikes]

Next time, I will grind it down but now it's already stuck in there again.  
This is the only one I've ever had this issue with.  The cable head usually 
slides right in/out.  

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:51:20 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If you need to force the cable IN, then it will absolutely be a bear to 
> get back out.  That's a guarantee.  If it were me and I felt I had to force 
> a cable into a Silver shifter, I'd get another cable.  If I was determined 
> to use that cable, for whatever reason, I'd give it a quick kiss on the 
> grinding wheel until it installs easily.  
>
> I've got probably 8 different sets of Silver shifters in my stable, and my 
> shop-box of shift cables is the generic Jagwire Sport, and they always 
> slide right in. Don't force it! 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Took it to REI after trying the pick.  Guy had to hammer it out w/a small 
>> awl.  Then when I tried to install a new cable - the head wouldn't go down 
>> until I had tension on the cable then the old cable housing gave up at a 
>> weak point and bent.  Now I'll need new housing in addition to the shifter 
>> and cable.  And now twine and shellac.  And this is the simplest shifter.  
>> I can't imagine the more complicated ones or internal cable routing, etc.  
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> I've stuck cable ends in the past, hate it, the worst problem I think. 
>>> Started putting grease on cable ends and a little dab in the shifter hole. 
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:04:37 AM UTC-7 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about cutting the cable off flush and drilling down with a fine 
>>>> drill bit partway into the cable head and tapping it with a hammer, or 
>>>> perhaps using a very fine nail as a tap, holding it with pliers and 
>>>> striking the nail with a hammer. Have you tried soaking it in boiling 
>>>> water?
>>>>
>>>> Russell Duncan
>>>> Saratoga WY
>>>> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 7:17:27 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tried the awl, then a small drill bit from behind then the guy at REI 
>>>>> put it in a vise and used a hammer and small punch to get it out.  This 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> a silver shifter that is ever so slightly smaller hole for the cable 
>>>>> head.  
>>>>> Thanks all for your help!
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s.  Now I have yet another front shifter w/another broken power 
>>>>> ratchet. UGH!  Maybe I can make one good one from the 3 broken ones but 
>>>>> how 
>>>>> to keep it all together?  The plate w/the pressfit looking rivet - how do 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:37:05 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
>>>>>> persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
>>>>>> others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 
>>>>>> overnight 
>>>>>> seems a good idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IanA
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put 
>>>>>>> it in the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I 
>>>>>>> need 
>>>>>>> to use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push 
>>>>>>>> it out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Dynamo Lights

[Pam Bikes]

I have a set that I haven't installed on a loaner bike.  B Luxos in box 
from the group.  Rear is a used Brakelight Plus that the lense broke off.  
It works and has been superglued back on and I keep a rubber band on it to 
make sure it doesn't come apart.  Let me know if you're interested and I 
can take pictures.

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:18:35 PM UTC-4 ryan.o...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all, Anyone interested in selling a front and/or rear dynamo light? 
> Looking to add some lighting to my recently built Suz. 
>
> I don't mind if the wiring is a bit of mess. I can clean that up. Just 
> looking for working lamps. 
>
> Thanks!
> Ryan
>

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[RBW] Re: Current cork grip gluing BKM?

[Pam Bikes]

I've used Permatex.  I think I got them off but can't remember how.


On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:07:57 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> I just did a search on this and found a (largely inconclusive) thread from 
> 2020.  RBW currently shows something like Amazing Goop/Shoe Goo being 
> liberally smeared on the bar before sliding on the grip, which of course 
> results in a bunch of that toxic goo pushing out from under the grip and a 
> grip that is completely fused to the bar.  I have read a couple folks 
> suggesting that they managed to secure the grips well (enough) but still 
> remove without destroying, which sounds pretty good.  Is there a current 
> "best" way/product for doing this?
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Pam Bikes]

Took it to REI after trying the pick.  Guy had to hammer it out w/a small 
awl.  Then when I tried to install a new cable - the head wouldn't go down 
until I had tension on the cable then the old cable housing gave up at a 
weak point and bent.  Now I'll need new housing in addition to the shifter 
and cable.  And now twine and shellac.  And this is the simplest shifter.  
I can't imagine the more complicated ones or internal cable routing, etc.  


On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I've stuck cable ends in the past, hate it, the worst problem I think. 
> Started putting grease on cable ends and a little dab in the shifter hole. 
>
> Mike SLO CA 
> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:04:37 AM UTC-7 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What about cutting the cable off flush and drilling down with a fine 
>> drill bit partway into the cable head and tapping it with a hammer, or 
>> perhaps using a very fine nail as a tap, holding it with pliers and 
>> striking the nail with a hammer. Have you tried soaking it in boiling water?
>>
>> Russell Duncan
>> Saratoga WY
>> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 7:17:27 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Tried the awl, then a small drill bit from behind then the guy at REI 
>>> put it in a vise and used a hammer and small punch to get it out.  This is 
>>> a silver shifter that is ever so slightly smaller hole for the cable head.  
>>> Thanks all for your help!
>>>
>>> p.s.  Now I have yet another front shifter w/another broken power 
>>> ratchet. UGH!  Maybe I can make one good one from the 3 broken ones but how 
>>> to keep it all together?  The plate w/the pressfit looking rivet - how do I 
>>> do that?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:37:05 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
>>>> persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
>>>> others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 overnight 
>>>> seems a good idea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/
>>>>
>>>> IanA
>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put it 
>>>>> in the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I need 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push 
>>>>>> it out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for: Tektro R559 Spring

[Pam Bikes]

I need some too.  I called Tektro.  They used to have a part# for the 
springs b/c this is a weak spot in the manufacturing process.  Look closely 
and you can see an indention which seems to be a weak.  I'm glad I'm not 
the only one having this issue.  

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-4 Pete P wrote:

> Thomas,
> My Atlantis 2006 has Tektro Oryx cantilevers. I have broken 2 springs
> already. I found in McMaster some torsion springs 9271k681 for right hand
> and 9271k615 for left. They now cost about a dollar apiece. they come 6 in 
> a bag.
> They were put in service 8 years ago. No problems. Your springs might be
> different.
> Pete
>
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:10:50 PM UTC-5 Thomas Blak wrote:
>
>> Shot in the dark, does anyone know if you can purchase a spring for the 
>> Tektro R559?  I have done my Google searches and came up empty handed. I 
>> will just purchase a new brake if I have to but I prefer to find the 
>> spring. My Sam Hillborne will thank you. [image: IMG_6232.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Pam Bikes]

Tried the awl, then a small drill bit from behind then the guy at REI put 
it in a vise and used a hammer and small punch to get it out.  This is a 
silver shifter that is ever so slightly smaller hole for the cable head.  
Thanks all for your help!

p.s.  Now I have yet another front shifter w/another broken power ratchet. 
UGH!  Maybe I can make one good one from the 3 broken ones but how to keep 
it all together?  The plate w/the pressfit looking rivet - how do I do that?

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:37:05 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

> I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
> persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
> others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 overnight 
> seems a good idea.
>
>
> https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/
>
> IanA
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put it in 
>> the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I need to 
>> use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>>
>>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push it 
>>> out
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Pam Bikes]

I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put it in 
the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I need to 
use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push it out
>
>
>

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[RBW] Stuck shifter cable head

[Pam Bikes]

I'm trying to remove a shift cable from a Silver bar end shifter.  The head 
is stuck and I can't get it out.  Any tips?  Otherwise I'll need to drill 
it out.
Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I took one apart.  It's missing the little spring.  Not sure where I can 
find one.  If anyone has one, I'd like to try to fix this one.  The other 
one I can't get apart to look at the innards but I think it was missing a 
washer so maybe that was the problem.  I think maybe it needed more 
friction to hold it together maybe?  I've already replaced it so I'll try 
it next time.  
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:06 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I just want to fix them if possible.  I hate throwing stuff away.  These 
> are definitely not set up errors as they were operable then after several 
> falls over the years they broke.  They would work for years then break.  I 
> can replace them and have but now I have several broken ones.  I will take 
> one apart and see what it looks like.  I didn't want to do more damage than 
> already.  I will find someone to help me.  Thanks all!
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The OP has repeated that they are not mechanical.  The thing that isn't 
>> clear to me is whether the OP wants to be mechanical.  If you have a bunch 
>> of broken shifters, and want to learn how mechanical people visualize a 
>> mechanism working and how they use that knowledge to diagnose and remedy 
>> failures, then it sounds like the OP needs a mechanical mentor.  You should 
>> find somebody who you trust and who is generous with their time and want to 
>> describe their process to you.  Have them take one apart with you 
>> watching.  Have them explain what they are seeing and what they think they 
>> want to do to fix your shifter(s), or tell you they are all hosed and throw 
>> them away.  It's hard to be a mentor over a google group.  Mentorship 
>> happens in-person.  
>>
>> If you can't find or don't want to find a mentor, maybe you want somebody 
>> to just try to fix them for you so you don't have to think about it?  
>> Again, that person should be somebody you trust, so if they say "these are 
>> hosed" you won't feel like it's a waste throwing them out.  Again, it would 
>> be nice if it was somebody who was either generous or owed you a favor so 
>> that if they succeed, it's free, and if they fail, it's still free.  People 
>> who work on things for a living are usually $50/hr to $100/hr pros and 
>> there's no way this project will be worth paying a pro what they deserve to 
>> be paid.  Maybe there's a volunteer here who you'd mail your shifters to, 
>> and they can mail them back fixed.  
>>
>> I don't know this for certain, but I think there's a non-zero chance that 
>> they are not even broken.  The symptom described could be just a setup 
>> issue, as I understand it.  The mechanic who does the diagnosis would be 
>> able to be conclusive on that.  
>>
>> If you do decide your shifters are hosed, I recommend you upcycle them 
>> into key chains.  Shift levers make great keychains.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:00:15 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for your comments.  I think it's the press fit thing that 
>>> holds it together but I haven't gone beyond that.  I'll take one apart and 
>>> see.  I'm not mechanical so who would be able to put a screw in there for 
>>> me?  I just need to know what to ask for.  I can see the press fit thing 
>>> coming apart.  But maybe the spring is the problem.  I have several so I'll 
>>> sacrifice one.  I'd like to be able to repair them.  Thanks again!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:31:45 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Take a look at page 61 of the 2006 Rivendell catalog 
>>>> <https://notfine.com/rivreader/Catalogs/Rivendell%20Catalog%202006%20No%2018%20Frames.pdf>
>>>>  - 
>>>> I imagine that spring can give up? If that's the problem, maybe there a 
>>>> way 
>>>> to buy a spare from Grainger or something like that?
>>>> Max
>>>> [image: shifter.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 4:26:45 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I watched the video ... too bad they didn't show then removing the 
>>>>> cover. If wd-40 doesn't work I'd still remove the cover and inspect the 
>>>>> innards. This isn't a jet engine !  The cover may press back in or take a 
>>>>> little finagling. The head of the rivet may need sheered off, I can't say 
>>>>> for sure what it is as the Suntours I have screws. TMI here but . If 
>>>>> you're handy with a drill you could

[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I just want to fix them if possible.  I hate throwing stuff away.  These 
are definitely not set up errors as they were operable then after several 
falls over the years they broke.  They would work for years then break.  I 
can replace them and have but now I have several broken ones.  I will take 
one apart and see what it looks like.  I didn't want to do more damage than 
already.  I will find someone to help me.  Thanks all!
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The OP has repeated that they are not mechanical.  The thing that isn't 
> clear to me is whether the OP wants to be mechanical.  If you have a bunch 
> of broken shifters, and want to learn how mechanical people visualize a 
> mechanism working and how they use that knowledge to diagnose and remedy 
> failures, then it sounds like the OP needs a mechanical mentor.  You should 
> find somebody who you trust and who is generous with their time and want to 
> describe their process to you.  Have them take one apart with you 
> watching.  Have them explain what they are seeing and what they think they 
> want to do to fix your shifter(s), or tell you they are all hosed and throw 
> them away.  It's hard to be a mentor over a google group.  Mentorship 
> happens in-person.  
>
> If you can't find or don't want to find a mentor, maybe you want somebody 
> to just try to fix them for you so you don't have to think about it?  
> Again, that person should be somebody you trust, so if they say "these are 
> hosed" you won't feel like it's a waste throwing them out.  Again, it would 
> be nice if it was somebody who was either generous or owed you a favor so 
> that if they succeed, it's free, and if they fail, it's still free.  People 
> who work on things for a living are usually $50/hr to $100/hr pros and 
> there's no way this project will be worth paying a pro what they deserve to 
> be paid.  Maybe there's a volunteer here who you'd mail your shifters to, 
> and they can mail them back fixed.  
>
> I don't know this for certain, but I think there's a non-zero chance that 
> they are not even broken.  The symptom described could be just a setup 
> issue, as I understand it.  The mechanic who does the diagnosis would be 
> able to be conclusive on that.  
>
> If you do decide your shifters are hosed, I recommend you upcycle them 
> into key chains.  Shift levers make great keychains.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:00:15 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for your comments.  I think it's the press fit thing that 
>> holds it together but I haven't gone beyond that.  I'll take one apart and 
>> see.  I'm not mechanical so who would be able to put a screw in there for 
>> me?  I just need to know what to ask for.  I can see the press fit thing 
>> coming apart.  But maybe the spring is the problem.  I have several so I'll 
>> sacrifice one.  I'd like to be able to repair them.  Thanks again!
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:31:45 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Take a look at page 61 of the 2006 Rivendell catalog 
>>> <https://notfine.com/rivreader/Catalogs/Rivendell%20Catalog%202006%20No%2018%20Frames.pdf>
>>>  - 
>>> I imagine that spring can give up? If that's the problem, maybe there a way 
>>> to buy a spare from Grainger or something like that?
>>> Max
>>> [image: shifter.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 4:26:45 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I watched the video ... too bad they didn't show then removing the 
>>>> cover. If wd-40 doesn't work I'd still remove the cover and inspect the 
>>>> innards. This isn't a jet engine !  The cover may press back in or take a 
>>>> little finagling. The head of the rivet may need sheered off, I can't say 
>>>> for sure what it is as the Suntours I have screws. TMI here but . If 
>>>> you're handy with a drill you could use a drill and drill a small hole in 
>>>> the center of the riven and tap it for a small screw. You'd have to go to 
>>>> hardware store to find one. That may seem like a lot of work for a 
>>>> shifter, 
>>>> maybe not, it depends on how much one likes to monkey around  
>>>> heeheeehee. Gitarzan baby !  If anyone catches what that word refers to 
>>>> word, you get a cookie ! 
>>>>
>>>> I also note that in the video they show the lever being tightened, and 
>>>> tightened again, like really tight. I've never tightened any of these 
>>>> levers like that since my first pair in 1983, which I still have and are 
>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Pam Bikes]

I'm afraid there are too many limitations and individual differences that 
make recipes difficult.  Some people are vegan, vegetarian, keto, diabetic, 
gluten free, soy free, shellfish allergies, etc.  

I eat locally, seasonally, bake my own bread and make everything from 
scratch but I'm not a calorie counter and have no restrictions.  And 
everyone's local produce selection is different.  Not to mention the 
organic or not.  

I do make a granola bar with just oats, peanut butter, honey then top 
w/chocolate chips, coconut, nuts etc.  that is high density in calories and 
easy for a road snack.  I just take snacks like nuts, crackers, etc in my 
bag in case I get hungry.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:18:29 PM UTC-4 coco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick - great links! Definitely some great ideas in there. I've also 
> been reading a lot about Traditional Chinese Medicine and some of the more 
> surface level ideas they have surrounding food and its properties in 
> relation to one's physical constitution. There's a lot I don't understand, 
> and a lot of traditional herbal knowledge that is still beyond me, but it's 
> been interesting to try to incorporate some of the food ideas into my diet 
> and see some of the results. Because different food and herbs and spices 
> interact with our internal balance then you have to mediate any imbalances 
> by incorporating more of certain things and less of others to try to get 
> back to a sort of equilibrium. 
>
> These ideas are how I got a lot of inspiration to remove gluten, sugars 
> and dairy, more so than Grant's book, although that was still pretty 
> informative.The health complaints I was having have resolved themselves 
> almost completely with the removal of a lot of these foods and it's been 
> really interesting to explore non-Western ideas of nutrition and health.
>
> Anyone do yoga or incorporate any of those ideas? Was just doing some 
> reading on the Ayurveda concept of "Digestive Fire" which seems to have a 
> decent amount of overlap with TCM gut-health ideology. 
>
> Exliontamer - Noodles are a hard one to cut out - I so feel you! I try to 
> save noodles for special occasions now and really relish them. What kind of 
> vinaigrette do you make for your Cobb Salad?
>
> My own favorite recipe lately has been my new breakfast oatmeal, which 
> incorporates spices recommended to me by various TCM-inspired resources:
>
> Turmeric Oats:
>
> 1/2c dried oats (will work with quick or rolled, just adjust cook time)
> ~1/3c frozen berries (my favorite is blueberries)
> 1 tsp cinnamon
> 1/4 tsp turmeric
> 1 Tbsp chia seeds
> 1/4 tsp salt
> 1 Tbsp honey
> 1-2 Tbsp full fat coconut milk, or dehydrated coconut milk powder
> 1 c. water
>
> Combine all dry ingredients (minus salt) into a bowl. In a covered 
> saucepan, heat water & coconut milk over medium-heat until you reach a low 
> boil. Add all dry ingredients and stir. Cover, lowering heat to medium-low, 
> and let cook for 5 min (if using quick oats) or 10 (if using rolled). 
> Uncover and remove from heat. Add salt and honey and serve fresh! Works for 
> overnight oats as well but isn't as good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM exliontamer  wrote:
>
>> I read Eat Bacon and lost a bit of weight. I'm already relatively in 
>> shape for my age but have continued to use keto-ish methods when I want to 
>> lose a bit. As a lifelong diet/lifestyle thing, I'm skeptical, & I flat out 
>> don't see it working for vegetarians in a good way. If you already like 
>> meat, leafy greens, fatty things, etc. I think it's a great way to shed 
>> excess weight periodically. I've had friends with weight issues have 
>> borderline miraculous results that were life changing.
>>
>> I just like food (especially noodles) too much to be dogmatic about 
>> diets. That said, one of my go to things that works on keto is a trad Cobb 
>> Salad. No alterations (aside from watercress/chicory which are next to 
>> impossible to find) and no store bought or creamy dressings. Just make your 
>> own vinaigrette. In the opposite realm I've been obsessed with Assassin's 
>> Spaghetti lately. You need a big pan but it's fun to make.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:02:46 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I expect that the modern biomedical sciences simply don't have the right 
>>> epistemological or conceptual apparatus (having in mind the scientific 
>>> parable of the fishing net: "what my net doesn't catch isn't fish") to 
>>> capture everything that constitutes true nutrition. I know that in 
>>> traditional Chinese cooking the attitude toward food and care with which it 
>>> is prepared is said to affect the effect of the food on the eater. I think 
>>> this involves the *chi* which I know does not belong to any physical 
>>> category (it's not "spiritual" but relates to the level of "vital force," 
>>> not reducing this to physical categories either). And other writers say 
>>> that it is the organic 

[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

Thanks all for your comments.  I think it's the press fit thing that holds 
it together but I haven't gone beyond that.  I'll take one apart and see.  
I'm not mechanical so who would be able to put a screw in there for me?  I 
just need to know what to ask for.  I can see the press fit thing coming 
apart.  But maybe the spring is the problem.  I have several so I'll 
sacrifice one.  I'd like to be able to repair them.  Thanks again!


On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:31:45 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Take a look at page 61 of the 2006 Rivendell catalog 
> 
>  - 
> I imagine that spring can give up? If that's the problem, maybe there a way 
> to buy a spare from Grainger or something like that?
> Max
> [image: shifter.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 4:26:45 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> So I watched the video ... too bad they didn't show then removing the 
>> cover. If wd-40 doesn't work I'd still remove the cover and inspect the 
>> innards. This isn't a jet engine !  The cover may press back in or take a 
>> little finagling. The head of the rivet may need sheered off, I can't say 
>> for sure what it is as the Suntours I have screws. TMI here but . If 
>> you're handy with a drill you could use a drill and drill a small hole in 
>> the center of the riven and tap it for a small screw. You'd have to go to 
>> hardware store to find one. That may seem like a lot of work for a shifter, 
>> maybe not, it depends on how much one likes to monkey around  
>> heeheeehee. Gitarzan baby !  If anyone catches what that word refers to 
>> word, you get a cookie ! 
>>
>> I also note that in the video they show the lever being tightened, and 
>> tightened again, like really tight. I've never tightened any of these 
>> levers like that since my first pair in 1983, which I still have and are 
>> working. I only tighten them enough to hold the shift, no more.. If it 
>> doesn't hold the shift, I don't tighten it more from where it is, I loosen 
>> it completely and then tighten it just a bit more than before. It's all by 
>> feel, with finesse. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I have several broken Silver shifters.  The power ratchet doesn't work any 
more.  My question is if I can get a part to fix the ratchet.  If not, 
should I throw them in the metal recycling or is there anything I can use 
later?  I'm not a mechanical person.  I just know the ratchet wouldn't hold 
after I replaced the plastic washer and when I put a new shifter on, it 
worked.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: posters for Asheville Riv weekend

[Pam Bikes]

And we climbed up the hill, just like the bears in the poster.  The grade 
of the hill even looks accurate.  

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:

> Those are beautiful.
>
> Looks like a great group came out too!
>
> k.
>
> On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:41 AM, 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> And for those of you that weren’t there, the posters are gorgeous.  And 
> accurate - Some bears actually joined some of us during the weekend :)
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 9:31:24 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone! There's still a dozen or so commemorative posters left from 
>> our Rivendell owners meet-up in Asheville this past weekend. If you would 
>> like to purchase one, you can do so directly via the link below:
>>
>>
>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/1506233644/rivendell-owners-meetup-asheville-art?click_key=71d5b36ccbdf34afff4d4bc8adbbbab7e4d12242%3A1506233644_sum=5861b03c=shop_home_active_1
>>
>> If you were in attendance and failed to get one from me, just shoot me 
>> and email and we'll figure out a way to get one to you.
>>
>> These are 4-color screen prints, 16" x 20", signed and numbered in a 
>> limited edition of 40 on Cougar Natural 100# cover stock. Designed and 
>> hand-printed by yours truly. Thanks! - Brian
>>
>> [image: IMG_5729.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To trade or sell or improve, my 50cm 1988 Bridgestone MB-1

[Pam Bikes]

You deserve a new bike.  If you'd had it this long and it's not dialed in 
yet, I'd get a new bike.  But I just have one and do it all on my Betty Foy.

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:19:06 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Just to note, obviously, the Happy Stem is threadless so you would need a 
> quill to threadless adapter.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:17:45 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I have a similar issue on a Wabi Thunder and installed a Velo Orange 
>> Happy Stem to get my handlebars higher. It works really well. Another 
>> option I may try (because I can't stop tinkering) is the Velo Orange 
>> Klunker bar.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0181.jpeg]
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:50:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> This was on a NORBA-type ~19-20 inch c-c 26-er frame.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:47 AM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ...  I used a 10 cm to get a Noodle high enough and close enough for a 
 road-bike-like position despite very low stack, truncated steerer, top 
 tube 
 about 2-2.5 mm too long (58.4 cm versus 56 to 57 cm), and a short arm/long 
 torso build; and I had considerable quill left over.

>>>

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[RBW] July 21 CyclingSavvy course

[Pam Bikes]

The last email from Will where he talks about fear of drivers and dicey 
roads makes me a little sad b/c it seems like people are getting 
discouraged from riding to some places.  Of course, I have a healthy 
respect for large vehicles, inattentive drivers, blind curves, etc.  But 
that's why I teach CyclingSavvy.  I've learned how to make myself as 
visible, relevant and predictable as possible by using lots of situational 
awareness and communication.  I'll be teaching July 21 from 4-7 EDT.  If 
you're undecided whether to register, let me know and I'll send you the 
link.  Listen for a few minutes and you can decide whether to listen to the 
rest.  I know it's helped me ride wherever I want to ride.  Let me know if 
you have any questions.  

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[RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Pam Bikes]

Thankfully I've removed my stem a few times - usually to box my bike when 
flying.  So hopefully my stem won't get seized.  Last time was to Philly 
when I saw Leah and met the Rivsisters.  I'm planning to be there in 
March.  Keep riding your Betty Caroline.  They go forever.  Only at 72,000 
so far.  

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:34:08 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> I have a bad mental habit of doing this with not just my clem but all my 
> gear. I don't like to mistreat my things but it can become an unhealthy 
> obsession. Something to meditate on that some will find morbid: our 
> obsession with our bikes (or anything else) remaining pristine and 
> beautiful is ultimately a fear of death. It's not good to fear death, so 
> just enjoy the things you own and love them well. Take care of them but 
> don't avoid using them so that they remain in art gallery quality. 
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>> off a cliff. 
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>>
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding 
>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and 
>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in 
>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>>
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you 
>> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear 
>> perspectives.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] CyclingSavvy presentation June 23

[Pam Bikes]

I'll be presenting the 3 hr classroom Truths and Techniques from 4-7 on 
Zoom.  I promise it's not a waste of time, you'll learn some stuff, and 
it'll go by fast!  

If you are just curious, let me know and I can send you the link and you 
can see if you like it.

https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/truth-and-techniques-zoom-virtual-classroom-june-23/


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Pam Bikes]

I can look at the route and make one on Ride W/Gps if you want.  Then you 
could join our CLub acct and you could use voice navigation.  Let me know 
if I can help.

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 12:20:40 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I should add, lest anyone get an inflated idea of my cycling ability, that 
> my plan would be to ride South and take the train back. Distance 1-way is 
> 40 to 45 miles. Friend in question did 6K (or was it 8K? He did 8 one 
> recent year) miles last year and he's 64.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I was just discussing a possible ride south of Albuquerque to Jaral with 
>> a friend and wondering about the best way to map it for minimum traffic; 
>> also to find out about any hills -- tho' I expect that, N/S, there won't be 
>> many.
>>
>> I'd like to join but I'll have to use my Mac Mini work computer as my 
>> Macbook Air is at the Apple Store waiting for a battery to come in. That 
>> means that I can see you (pl) but you (pl) can't see me. Given this, do you 
>> mind if I join?
>>
>> And is the meeting at 6 pm Pacific or in some other time zone? (I'm in 
>> Mountain.)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, whose only bike with more than 3 speeds has 60 mm tires, 
>> in ABQ, NM -- may be I will buy some RH Snoqualmie Passes ...
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 9:51 AM Pam Bikes  wrote:
>>
>>> I use Ride With GPS, then write the route down on an index card w/ a 
>>> fountain pen (Broad nib[image: routecard.jpg] for better visibility).  
>>> Put in a baggie if any rain is forecasted.  At night I have a small light 
>>> on the stem to use as a map light.
>>>
>>> I'll be doing a route planning workshop if anyone wants to join in on 
>>> Zoom.  May 18 at 6.  Let me know if anyone wants the link.  
>>>
>>> I plan routes just as you're describing everyday.  I probably have about 
>>> 500 routes in Charlotte and a few where I've traveled.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Jeffrey; noted.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:13 PM Jeffrey Arita  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> One caveat: if you want the verbal (voice) turn-by-turn feature that 
>>>>> ridewithgps offers (for routes), then you will need to pay for either a 
>>>>> Basic or Premium subscription.  The free version does not offer this 
>>>>> specific feature:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://support.ridewithgps.com/hc/en-us/articles/4419572706971-Turn-by-Turn-Navigation
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask me how I know ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> We finally upgraded to the Premium subscription, primarily because 
>>>>> that level enables one to 'archive' routes (we have many, many routes and 
>>>>> they grow as time moves forward).  Archiving routes enables one to 
>>>>> 'activate' only those routes one wants to (perhaps) synchronize to their 
>>>>> desired gps standalone device (without having to scroll through dozens 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> dozens of irrelevent routes).  
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wanted to offer a different perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Claremont, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:52:39 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks all; the unanimous and very quick agreement on 
>>>>>> Ridewithgps speaks well of it and I'lll check it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:56 AM Patrick Moore  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city 
>>>>>>> we often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to 
>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there 
>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
>>>>>>> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; 
>>>>>>> or 
>>>>>>> I hope one does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. 

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy info request

[Pam Bikes]

Betty's were made in different sizes in different years.  And in the later 
years some were Yves Gomez and some were Cheviot.  What other questions do 
you have?


On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-4 womba...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009 was 
> the first year?
>
> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>
> Thanks! Ann
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[Pam Bikes]

Do your ride -  your own way -  on your bike.  You know I only ride my 
Betty.  I ride w/plenty of carbon fiber, Ti bikes.  I don't like to go that 
fast so I usually don't do group road rides.  I don't want to be going fast 
w/people who I'm not familiar with or a route I'm not familiar with.  I've 
led lots of rides and I'm used to posting the route in advance, signaling 
turns in advance, etc.  But I plan the route to be socialable which means 
flatish and hills at the beginning instead of the end of the ride.  But I 
do all social rides.  The road bikes may go faster but I can go farther 
since the Riv is so comfortable.

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:31:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Aw, thanks, Jason! 
>
> Everything you say is true about the challenges of riding an upright bike. 
> I have thought about drop bars but I’ve never used them and I don’t think I 
> want to, even if they help. I see the other riders shaking the numbness out 
> of their hands and I just don’t think I could get used to it. 
>
> In sum, to address what many people said earlier in the thread:
>
>  I know that the Platypus isn’t the ideal club ride bike; Grant himself 
> has told me this. But I just *like* my Platypus. It’s pretty and 
> comfortable and special and I’m attached. There will come a time when its 
> limits will either make me decide I don’t want to expend the effort OR I 
> just flat won’t be able to keep up. But until then, I am not planning on a 
> “real” road bike. 
>
> Just a Racing Platypus.
> Leah
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:39:38 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Late to the conversation - great story-telling as always, and highly 
>> relatable Leah!  I have certainly been there, although maybe not entirely 
>> by surprise in my case. I ride with friends who have very fast, lightweight 
>> bikes and I'm never totally sure how much to blame my bike vs. my legs, but 
>> for sure they both play a role.  
>>
>> I've been consistently amazed by how effortlessly you've been able to 
>> hang onto group rides with folks on more typical road bikes, because as 
>> much as I love an upright Riv, it definitely takes more effort to go the 
>> same speed.  On flat ground, you lose a bit due to aerodynamics but as you 
>> say, it's the hills where the difference really becomes significant and I 
>> think it's largely to do with body position - on our slack seat tube, 
>> upright bar bikes we're rotated too far back once the road points upwards!  
>> Getting forward on the bars helps.  A lot of it is the angle between your 
>> legs and torso, and also having your torso rotated forward enough to 
>> effectively counter-balance the forces from your pedal strokes. 
>>
>> I have enjoyed just gearing down and enjoying the scenery but this breaks 
>> down if you need to keep up with a fast group 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 09:23:04 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That's a funny story. Long ago my then-wife/now ex-wife decided to try 
>>> out the Spinning (tm) class at the nearby gym. Her only cycling experience 
>>> was about 25 miles total on our 2 tandems (on the first of which -- wholly 
>>> inappropriate lightweight 531C Orbit racing tandem that wagged like a dog 
>>> under 2 neophytes -- our inaugural and sole ride ended up with the steerer 
>>> breaking and sending both of us over the bar).
>>>
>>> Anyway, she went to the gym and found it full of die-hard Spinning 
>>> aficionados with an aggressive coach. The first kefuffle was that she wore 
>>> regular athletic shoes, but they got her more or less sorted, and she 
>>> embarked on such a purgatorial ride that about 1/2 way through she came 
>>> close to fainting and falling off the machine, stopping the class so others 
>>> could resuscitate her and ask her if she needed a doctor (she is a doctor). 
>>> That was her last Spinning class. She took up guns and whisky and cigars -- 
>>> tough little 5'2" 2nd-gen Taiwan Chinese.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 10:01 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 My comical "getting in over my head" story is not a cycling story, but 
 I think it still has familiar emotions

 My wife is an avid flamenco afficionado.  She takes classes multiple 
 times per week, attends shows almost every weekend, and savors the 
 Spanish, 
 Gypsy and North African cultural streams that all mix together.  The SF 
 Bay 
 Area has a small but vibrant flamenco community, so usually if you go to a 
 medium sized show with 100 people in the audience, you're going to see 
 familiar faces.  At small shows, you might know everybody.  Performers 
 from 
 the last show will be in the audience of this show, etc.  One of the 
 traditional parts of flamenco is a percussion element.  It's a wooden 
 snare 
 drum in the shape of a box.  The Cajon.  The drummer sits on the Cajon and 
 plays on the front face of the instrument, making a surprising array of 
 sounds.  

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Pam Bikes]

What are the dates?  I thought I'd seen June 7.  

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 11:05:16 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey All, 
>
> A (Bridgestone riding) friend and I will likely be making the trek up from 
> Atlanta for this! Excited to see all the bikes and meet everyone. 
>
> - Drew
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:36:02 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Curious to be in the loop as well.  I'm in Asheville but just unsure if 
>> I'll be able to make the dates.  If I can, I will!
>>
>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi James,
>>> Thanks for letting us know you might be interested in the Asheville 
>>> weekend ride in July. I'll be starting to actually plan stuff in a couple 
>>> of weeks with some other local Riv owners  and will definitely keep you in 
>>> the loop.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would love to know more about Asheville area routes, once you folks 
>>>> do this.  I was down there at the beginning of April for a couple of days 
>>>> and definitely need to go back.  (I just wish it wasn't such a looong 
>>>> drive from northern NJ.)
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am looking 
>>>>> at my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip for me. I 
>>>>> will 
>>>>> be traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking and effort 
>>>>> to get this going!
>>>>> -Frank 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
>>>>>> certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything 
>>>>>> down 
>>>>>> yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel 
>>>>>> fire 
>>>>>> roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
>>>>>> and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
>>>>>> opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
>>>>>> about bringing to make it more interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are 
>>>>>>> we thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> bikes and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some 
>>>>>>> time at the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to 
>>>>>>> bring 
>>>>>>> stuff to swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear 
>>>>>>> such 
>>>>>>> as favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can 
>>>>>>> help.  
>>>>>>> Let me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through 
>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>> the way there or back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a 
>>>>>>>> few other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi from Asheville,
>>>>>>>>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv 
>>>>>>>>> r

[RBW] Re: Book Recommendation: The United States of Adventure

[Pam Bikes]

Leah, we could ride all states.  We could cross off multiples at a time.  
You've proably ridden many already - PA, NJ, MI, NV I think we'd be 
almost halfway there.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:19:06 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I just put it on my list of to-read books. In fact, I just re-read The 
> Enlightened Cyclist by Bike Snob this weekend for some bicycle content. 
> Thanks Leah!!
> Doug
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 1:10:42 PM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Leah! I've not read this one, but will do, and recommend her *Llama 
>> Drama *as well.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 1:02:19 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for this recommendation, Leah!  After reading the short 
>>> glimpse of the book on Amazon, Ann McNuff looks to be a very talented and 
>>> entertaining writer.  It's also nice to find a travel "adventure" book 
>>> written with a woman's perspective.  I'm ordering it!
>>>
>>> RivSisters!
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:06:34 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve been sad about our temperamental weather here in southwest 
 Michigan. After a perfectly sublime week of 70-something temps that set 
 off 
 our tulips and daffodils and flowering trees, we are back to drizzly 
 weather topping out in the 40s. I’m freezing over here. I have an Apple 
 Watch tan line but am back to wearing a parka. Make it make sense. 

 Anyway, if you can’t have your real adventures I suppose you can read 
 about someone else’s. I stumbled across The United States of Adventure by 
 Anna McNuff and have been reading as Anna, a British woman in the 
 corporate 
 world in her 20s, cycles her way through all 50 states. I will never cycle 
 through all 50 states, but it is fun to peer into the life of someone who 
 did.


 https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Adventure-life-changing-journey/dp/1914074033

 Enjoy.
 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Spring Estate Sale

[Pam Bikes]

Would the brake pads fit in my Tektro 559?  Also interested in the bell.  
I'll be at the Cary Amtrak tomorrow.  Where are you located?

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 7:24:49 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy y’all,
>
>
> Happy May! Thanks to everyone that helped me scale down last fall for my 
> family’s upcoming move to Hawaii. I’ve gathered together the last of my 
> parts and components to sell for one last push to get us on our way.
>
>
> The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using 
> Pirateship.com and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all shapes 
> and sizes and a postage scale, so I can find the best rates to ship your 
> stuff. *PayPal or money order accepted for payment*. If you’d like more 
> pics or info, please reach out; I’m usually pretty quick about getting back 
> to you. Local pickup welcome in Raleigh, NC for those of you nearby, and 
> you can save on the shipping charge. Thanks for looking and have a great 
> week!
>
>
> ~Mark Higa
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> Link to pics are here:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15VSiRPltFOZVcXxU9f5AZRIR8Stwf2VG?usp=sharing
>
>
> *Tires*
>
>1. Pair of Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Endurance casing, 
>brand new in unopened bags - $150/pair 
>2. Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Extralight casing, brand new 
>in unopened bag - $75 single 
>3. Pair of Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700c x 44 Endurance casing, 
>light use - $100/pair 
>4. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 42mm (27.5 x 1.75), extensive use - $15 
>5. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 38mm (27.5 x 1.50), extensive use - $15
>
>
> *Bags and Racks*
>
>1. Osprey Escapist 30 backpack (excellent on- and off-bike utility, 
>good review here: https://www.trailspace.com/gear/osprey/escapist-30/ 
>) - $75 
>2. Velo Orange Day Tripper saddle bag, older style, out-of-production 
>color - $55 
>3. Timbuk2 convertible backpack/shoulder bag, red - $60 
>4. Timbuk2 Bolo XL waterproof messenger bag, heavy use; gray, yellow, 
>maroon - $20 
>5. Portland Design Works Takeout basket rack with roll-top bag - $65 
>6. Arkel Randonneur rack (includes wide rails adapter, for use with 
>Brooks and similar saddles) - $50 
>7. Unknown vintage stem rack/standoff for handlebar bag - $20 
>8. Pletscher sprung clamp rack silver  - $15 
>
>
> *Shifters*
>
>1. Rivendell Silver 1 bar end shifters with Shimano pods - $50 
>2. Microshift right bar end 10-speed shifter (index or friction), 
>brand new - $40 
>3. Suntour Power Ratchet downtube shifters - $20 
>4. Suntour Accushift right thumb shifter, 7/8 speed index or friction 
>- $15 
>5. Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters, friction only - $30 
>6. Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $15 
>7. Shimano Deore SL-MT62 7-speed indexed/friction thumb shifters - $15 
>
>
> *Cranks*
>
>1. Rivendell Silver triple crankset, 44/34/24 with 173mm arms, 110/74 
>BCD - $190 
>2. Shimano 600 double cranks, 170mm arms, 130 BCD - $30 
>3. Suntour Cyclone double cranks, 170mm arms, 144 BCD - $25 
>
>
> *Brakes/Brake Levers*
>
> Brakes-
>
>1. Shimano 600 BR-6207 side pull brakes (47-57mm reach) - $30 
>2. Shimano 600 BR-6208 side pull brakes (39-49mm reach) - $30 
>3. Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $15 
>4. Dia Compe center pull brakes - $15 
>
>
> Brake Levers-
>
>1. Shimano Tiagra (the kind that Riv sells) - $35 
>2. Dia Compe non-aero levers w/ quick release and Cane Creek gum hoods 
>- $30 
>3. Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $15 
>4. Dia Compe AGC levers w/ black Dia Compe hoods - $20 
>5. Suntour XC LTD levers (22.2 clamp diameter) - $20 
>
>
> *Handlebars*
>
>1. Soma Portola 530mm wide, 26.0 clamp diameter - $20 
>2. Salsa Moto Ace 560mm wide, 25.4 clamp diameter, 17* sweep - $20 
>
>
> *Cassettes and Chains*
>
>1. Shimano CS-HG80 11-32 9-speed cassette, brand new - $40 
>2. Shimano 13-26 8-speed cassette - $20 
>3. SRAM 12-26 10-speed cassette - $20 
>4. SRAM 12-26 8-speed cassette - $15 
>5. KMC X10 10-speed chain, fitted (but not cut) on bike, unused; 
>decided to use a 9-speed chain - $15 
>
>
> *Derailleurs (front & rear)*
>
> Rear derailleurs-
>
>1. Shimano Deore DX RD-M650 long cage - $25 
>2. Shimano Deore RD-MT62 long cage - $20 
>3. Suntour XC-Expert Accushift Plus - $20  
>4. Shimano 600 RD-6207 short cage (two available) - $20 each 
>
>
> Front derailleurs-
>
>1. Shimano XT FD-M739 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25 
>2. Shimano Deore FD-M510 9 speed bottom pull 34.9 clamp - $20 
>3. Shimano 105 FD-5600 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25 
>4. Shimano 600 bottom pull 28.6 clamp - $20 
>
>
> *Misc.*
>
>1. Kool Stop thinline salmon pads, 3 pairs- two pair are new (one pair 
>was mounted but didn’t work with my brake/rim combo) - $25 
>2. Velo Orange 1” threaded decaleur 

Re: [RBW] FS: 55 cm Platypus, mermaid

[Pam Bikes]

Where is she located?  Not a bad price for everything included.  If anyone 
needs to try out a 55 Cheviot which is similar, you can come try mine in 
Charlotte, NC.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:56:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Mary’s 55 cm Platypus, photos:
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg]
>
> On May 7, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I got an email from a woman who has a 55 cm Platypus for sale. She is not 
> on the List and asked if I would forward her information and her FS 
> listing. I’m hoping this is not in violation of the rules -  I will attach 
> what she sent me below:
>
> For sale:   
>
> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is included.
> Price: $3200
>
> Parts list includes:
>
> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
> Grand Cru Brake Levers
> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
> Velo Orange BB 118mm
> Albatross HB
> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
> Tubes
> MKS Lambda Pedals
> Microshift FD R9
> Microshift RD R10
> Brake hangers FR / RR
> Velo Orange Fenders
> Nitto Rear Rack
> Brooks Bar Tape
> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
> Terry saddle
> Wald basket with basket net
>
> You can contact Mary at:
> mary.f...@gmail.com
>
> I’ll send her photos in the next post.
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Rivendells of Nutmeg

[Pam Bikes]

Thanks for the pictures.  Love them!  Beauties.  No Riv sisters

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> The visit to J.P Weigle's shop was a treat:
>
> [image: IMG_0231.jpeg]
>
> And here's a couple more pics attached
>
> Max
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:29:25 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Correction: Stephen's bike is obviously an Appaloosa, I have the same 
>> frame in the same color. 
>>
>> Didn't grab a pic of Ted's Platypus or Miggy's Susie but they were out 
>> and about as well! 
>>
>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 8:40:09 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Nice day for bike ride in the NordEast !!!
>>>
>>> I think my first bike I bought as a teenager had a kickstand. I quickly 
>>> realized, kickstands weren't for me for a host of reasons. Just being 
>>> honest. 
>>>
>>> I know lots of readers have them and love them and go on about their 
>>> virtues,  but lots of readers also don't. There's room for everybody after 
>>> all .
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

[Pam Bikes]

I run the wire along the fork and have a ziptie - if I'm finicky I'd match 
it to the bike frame.  Not barber shop wrap.  It's hidden and easy to 
replace if I need to.  I do leave a few loops of wire and curly cue around 
a screwdriver to make sure I have some give for turning.  And a loop near 
the bottom bracket in case I need some extra but it's all unobtrusive and 
easy.  It works and I've never had a problem after daily riding.  

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:59:56 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> My question is, why wouldn’t everyone running a dynamo do this? Perhaps 
> for sharing a single light with more than one bike? So clean.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 3, 2023, at 2:34 AM, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi everyone, 
> > 
> > An update: I was able to fish the SON dynamo coaxial wire through the 
> fork! Here’s how I did it:
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> > I first threaded a length of picture-hanging wire as a leader through 
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Re: [RBW] Brooks B17 repair

[Pam Bikes]

Simon is the guy.  He's repaired my saddle several times - I think twice 
but then said it was like the "ship of epheseus"there's another guy 
that you check with:  https://www.rhmsaddles.com/contact
I have one like that as well so let me know what you decide.  Mine may not 
be worth saving.  It's really old and has thin rails.  If anyone wants it, 
let me know if you want to see some pictures.

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:41:18 AM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Firth & Wilson
> (215) 644-8124
> si...@transportcycle.com 
> Philadelphia, PA. 19148-2386
> These people are fast and reasonably priced.
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:20 PM dougP  wrote:
>
>> After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the 
>> nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?
>>
>> Doug Peterson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Pam Bikes]

I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are we 
thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the bikes 
and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some time at 
the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to bring stuff to 
swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear such as 
favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can help.  Let 
me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on the 
way there or back.


On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a few 
> other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>
> - Brian
>
> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  wrote:
>
> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi from Asheville,
>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders 
>> and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) 
>> that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for 
>> them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If 
>> anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer 
>> any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>> Cheers, 
>> Gary
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better 
>>> for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed 
>>> up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize for 
>>> these new dates!
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
 dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.

 On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend 
> of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be 
> free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better 
> for 
> more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi George,
>> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
>> Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike 
>> path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
>> Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
>> during or after the rides.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going 
>>> over to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just 
>>> curious.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
 before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi,
> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but 
> a May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any 
> interest in 
> a meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
> there's 
> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
> for 
> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
> Gary
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy for sale

[Pam Bikes]

My PBH is 68.  Everything but my 47 Betty is too big for me.  Hope this 
helps.


On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:53:08 AM UTC-4 Gina wrote:

> Hi, Pam,
> I'm wondering what your PBH is? I am asking because mine is 70 so the 45 
> Clems are the only current/in-production Rivs that I can fit but I admit 
> I'd love a Betty Foy! I wish I could test ride but I'm in southern 
> California:)
> THank you!
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:37:32 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I love mine.  If anyone has any questions or needs a test ride, please 
>> tell them to come to Charlotte.  I have a 55 Cheviot which is basically the 
>> same.  As well as a 47, 50 Betty and a 60 Cheviot.  So the rider can see 
>> many sizes for fit.
>>
>> I can't tell you how much I love my Betty.  Over 71,000 miles worth.  And 
>> still riding it daily.
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:56:28 AM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> Had mine for a long time - this is a steal. Good luck with the sale!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:37:49 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
>>>> My wife loves hers as well. Looks like a very nicely kept bike at a 
>>>> superb price! This shouldn’t last long. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-6 Steve Cole wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm selling my wife's Betty Foy.  She was the second owner.  As you 
>>>>> will see from the attached photos, it was very rarely ridden.  It is in 
>>>>> near perfect condition; the only blemishes are small scratches on the 
>>>>> left-side chain stay (see photo).  There are several upgrades to this 
>>>>> bike: 
>>>>>  fenders, dynamo and lights, saddle, seat post, stem, handlebars, rack, 
>>>>> etc. It's a very wonderful bike.  Photos attached (more upon request). 
>>>>>  Here are the specs (more details on request):
>>>>>
>>>>>- Seat Tube/Frame Size: 55 cm
>>>>>- Drive Train:
>>>>>   - Rear Derailleur —  Shimano Deore
>>>>>   - Front Derailleur — Shimano (I think it’s a 105, but am not 
>>>>>   sure)
>>>>>   - Crankset — Sugino w/ 40 & 26 chainrings.  Pants protector in 
>>>>>   3rd spot.
>>>>>   - Shifter — Shimano Deore XT trigger Shifter
>>>>>- Brakeset — Tektro R559 long reach, Shimano Levers
>>>>>- Cables/Housing — Velo Orange/Velo Orange Metal Braid Housing
>>>>>- Handlebars — Velo Orange Curvy; Grips — Miesha's Cork Grips
>>>>>- Stem — Nitto Technomic; Seat Post — Nitto S83
>>>>>- Saddle — Brooks B67
>>>>>- Wheel: Rear Hub — Shimano; Front Hub — Shutter Precision PD-8X 
>>>>>Dynamo
>>>>>   - Rims — Velocity Synergy 650B; Tires — Rene Herse  Loup Loup 
>>>>>   Pass 
>>>>>- Lights: Front — Busch & Mueller Eyc N Plus; Rear — Topflight 
>>>>>Mini Plus
>>>>>- Fenders — Velo Orange Snakeskin
>>>>>- Rear Rack — Nitto Big Back Rack — Medium 32R
>>>>>- Peddles — VP Alloy (excellent bearings)
>>>>>- Kickstand
>>>>>
>>>>> We are asking $2,200 if you want the saddle and the rack.  Otherwise, 
>>>>> the we are asking $2,000 without these.  Reasonable offers will be 
>>>>> considered.
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Pam Bikes]

The signs posted for political campaigns that are sometimes never taken up 
are coroplast.  Remove the sign since it's litter and use that.  I can send 
some if you have the measurements.


On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pamela Murray: Bike Hero

[Pam Bikes]

Thanks again for all the kind words.  Please join me for CyclingSavvy 
sometime.  The classroom portion is via Zoom so anyone can join.  The on 
bike sessions are usually in Charlotte, NC.  Occasionally I teach in other 
locations.  A friend is asking me to teach again in Key West sometime.  Let 
me know if you want to join me there.  Here's the link.  But I'll schedule 
a course for you when you're interested.  Just let me know a good time for 
you.
https://cyclingsavvy.org/organizer/pamela-murray-2/

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 12:58:52 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a great message and a great video. Well done! 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 10:52:51 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> Pam, you are an inspiration!  Thank you for all the encouragement and 
>> instruction for riders of all abilities.  I thoroughly enjoyed the video 
>> and your message.  
>>
>> Leah, thank you for sharing the video.
>>
>> --Joyce
>>
>> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:21:01 AM UTC-7 Stephanie A. wrote:
>>
>>> Pam! What wonderful work you do! So many people have understandable 
>>> fears associated with riding, and you're really doing the work of helping 
>>> to reduce those and bring people into riding.
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:53 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Kudos to Pam! +1 that errand riding with a goal in mind, even if this 
 means extending a 1 mile shopping rt into a 20 mile loop, is the best 
 riding, IMO.


 On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 12:05 PM Tom Goodmann  wrote:

> Here is further recent acknowledgment of Pam: 
> https://www.planetbike.com/blog/meet-our-winter-super-commuter-pamela-murray-/
>


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[RBW] Re: Pamela Murray: Bike Hero

[Pam Bikes]

Thanks for posting Leah.  And for all the kind words.  If everyone rode 
bikes, think how much better we would all be.  Each person, each 
neighborhood, each city, each country, the planet.  Rivs help make it all 
the more enjoyable.  Come ride w/me in Charlotte.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:11:21 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> This is so cool! Pamela nailed it when she spoke about 'not being an 
> intimidating person, not being an athletic person, not being a mechanical 
> person...bikes are just that simple, that easy and that much fun.' But, her 
> best line, to my mind, is 'any bike ride is better than no bike ride'.
>
> If all the news were like this I'd maybe turn on my TV!
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-7 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> Congratulations, Pam! It's a very enjoyable story to watch.  
>>
>> Tom (in Miami, a flat environment that could be transformed into a 
>> cycling city!)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:59:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> So cool. Being from Georgia, I must say I love and appreciate Pam's 
>>> accent. She makes good points about riding on roads being relatively safe 
>>> if you learn to do so properly. The health benefits outweigh the risks I 
>>> believe you said and I concur.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:08:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Our very own RivSister Pam Murray was recently featured as a local bike 
 hero in Charlotte, NC. The footage is just beautifully captured, 
 displaying 
 sweeping drone views of the city as well as up close views of Pam’s 
 beloved 
 Rivendell Betty Foy as well as the legend herself.

 Pam’s Rivendell was purchased in 2011 and she has ridden it nearly 
 every day since, racking up an impressive 75,000 miles or so. She will be 
 the first and likely only Rivster to ride her steel frame into dust.

 Please enjoy and show her some much-deserved recognition!
 RivSister Leah
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzQ8Z4RjZkQ

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy for sale

[Pam Bikes]

I love mine.  If anyone has any questions or needs a test ride, please tell 
them to come to Charlotte.  I have a 55 Cheviot which is basically the 
same.  As well as a 47, 50 Betty and a 60 Cheviot.  So the rider can see 
many sizes for fit.

I can't tell you how much I love my Betty.  Over 71,000 miles worth.  And 
still riding it daily.

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:56:28 AM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Had mine for a long time - this is a steal. Good luck with the sale!
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:37:49 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> My wife loves hers as well. Looks like a very nicely kept bike at a 
>> superb price! This shouldn’t last long. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-6 Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>>> I'm selling my wife's Betty Foy.  She was the second owner.  As you will 
>>> see from the attached photos, it was very rarely ridden.  It is in near 
>>> perfect condition; the only blemishes are small scratches on the left-side 
>>> chain stay (see photo).  There are several upgrades to this bike:  fenders, 
>>> dynamo and lights, saddle, seat post, stem, handlebars, rack, etc. It's a 
>>> very wonderful bike.  Photos attached (more upon request).  Here are the 
>>> specs (more details on request):
>>>
>>>- Seat Tube/Frame Size: 55 cm
>>>- Drive Train:
>>>   - Rear Derailleur —  Shimano Deore
>>>   - Front Derailleur — Shimano (I think it’s a 105, but am not sure)
>>>   - Crankset — Sugino w/ 40 & 26 chainrings.  Pants protector in 
>>>   3rd spot.
>>>   - Shifter — Shimano Deore XT trigger Shifter
>>>- Brakeset — Tektro R559 long reach, Shimano Levers
>>>- Cables/Housing — Velo Orange/Velo Orange Metal Braid Housing
>>>- Handlebars — Velo Orange Curvy; Grips — Miesha's Cork Grips
>>>- Stem — Nitto Technomic; Seat Post — Nitto S83
>>>- Saddle — Brooks B67
>>>- Wheel: Rear Hub — Shimano; Front Hub — Shutter Precision PD-8X 
>>>Dynamo
>>>   - Rims — Velocity Synergy 650B; Tires — Rene Herse  Loup Loup 
>>>   Pass 
>>>- Lights: Front — Busch & Mueller Eyc N Plus; Rear — Topflight Mini 
>>>Plus
>>>- Fenders — Velo Orange Snakeskin
>>>- Rear Rack — Nitto Big Back Rack — Medium 32R
>>>- Peddles — VP Alloy (excellent bearings)
>>>- Kickstand
>>>
>>> We are asking $2,200 if you want the saddle and the rack.  Otherwise, 
>>> the we are asking $2,000 without these.  Reasonable offers will be 
>>> considered.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] S240 from Charlotte 3/25

[Pam Bikes]

Anybody want to join me for a S24O next weekend?
https://www.eventbrite.com/manage/events/573405911517/tickets

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Brake Problem

[Pam Bikes]

I can usually get my 1 1/2 in tire off w/out deflating it but I do pull 
hard.  Great idea to use the barrel adjuster too.  Also I think the brake 
has a little thing that adjusts too.  But I generally don't need to remove 
my wheels very often.  I have Schwalbe Marathon Supremes so not many 
flats.  Only time I need to remove my tires is to box the bike to fly or 
changing to a new wheel build.  I ride daily so I replace rims about every 
12,000 miles.  I'm about 70,850 miles so far.  The only issue I've had 
w/the brakes is the springs have a weak point at the bend and they break.  
The springs aren't sold separately so I've had to replace the brake caliper 
when it breaks.  If anyone has a set of brakes they don't like, I'd take a 
spring so I can just fix the caliper.  It's usually the rear spring.


On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> The brakes on my wife's Betty Foy are driving me nuts.  This is a stock 
> bike, in fact it was RBWs sales bike and it came with Bosco bars, Techtro 
> 559 side pull clippers and Shimano levers. There is no QR on the levers and 
> a minimal one on the calipers This is a very poor combination as I can only 
> get an inflated 38mm tire  off and on, while the frame can handle a 42mm 
> tire.  I wonder what GP was thinking when he made this choice.
>
> Has anyone found a work around to improve this situation?
>
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Pam Bikes]

I tried a poncho but didn't feel like I could adequately signal.  When it's 
cold, I prefer the jacket/pants.  When it's warm I like a jacket/rain skirt 
with shorts.  Next I'd like to cut the sleeves off a jacket and use a rain 
vest or short sleeve jacket so I won't heat up too much.  I'll go half 
sleeves then short sleeves then to a vest to see what works better.   

p.s.  Newer jackets w/less PFAS seem to be less durable.  

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:09:46 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> Ponchos are great!
>
> [image: IMG_1990.jpg]
>
> *With fenders.*
>
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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

I think we should stick to the Asheville area for the main ride.  I know 
Wilson Creek is beautiful.  I've hiked there.  I ride fully loaded and am 
not into hiking a bike.  Mine is too heavy.  I think we should shoot for a 
ride in Asheville at the end of June 
For those who want to do Wilson Creek would y'all want to a 2 part Riv 
event so people could choose one or the other or both?  I hope this pans 
out.  I'd love to see all these bikes.
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:02:32 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:

> Oh, and one other detail I forgot to mention is that there's a really nice 
> campground at Bent Creek - although it fills up pretty quickly in the 
> summer. Lots of chain hotels around Bent Creek too.
>
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:39:47 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>
>> The Wilson Creek area is beautiful - but is pretty remote and about 1.5 
>> hrs from Asheville. Closer to Asheville there are some great fire roads and 
>> mellow singe track at Bent Creek Experimental Forest that is connected to 
>> the NC Arboretum. I ride there all the time and it is just about perfect 
>> for a riv. It's also only about 15 min from downtown Asheville.   There's 
>> also a growing urban bike trail that includes roads, bike paths, and 
>> breweries lacing through town that is a fun way to get to know the town 
>> (and the beer). And, a new bike store named "Gravelo" just opened in town 
>> and although they don't sell rivs, they are very familiar with them and 
>> always ooh and aah appropriately when me and my other riv pals go in there. 
>> They are really a great group!  That's my. $.02!
>>
>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>>
>>> I'd propose a ride that is a figure 8 loop in the pisgah national forest 
>>> wilson creek area. It takes me about 3hours with a lunch stop. Its a 70/30 
>>> mix of gravel forest road and fire roads to mostly mellow singletrack. 
>>> There are some sections folks may prefer to hike a bike, but those are 
>>> downhill. I am not much on digital route planning, I ride with paper maps, 
>>> so forgive the lengthy text description. You can refer to the MTB project 
>>> website - "yancey ridge" 
>>> <https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7003935/yancey-ridge> to use their 
>>> map of the area as reference for the following description. Start at Beacon 
>>> Heights on the parkway> Carrol Gragg rd>Mountains to Sea trail> Old House 
>>> gap> down yancey ridge trail to FS 451>Roseborough rd> FS 192(old house gap 
>>> rd)>edgemont rd> 221> Beacon heights. 
>>>
>>> Another possible route would be a loop covering the Maple Sally Rd 
>>> <https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/3567751/maple-sally-road-fsr-187> in 
>>> Wilson Creek Area - a full loop ride (back on Brown Mountain Beach) takes 
>>> me about 4 hours. Theres also an option for a shorter 10 mile loop 
>>> <https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/3283763/loose-mountain-loop> along 
>>> the route if some folks wanted to opt for that. 
>>>
>>> late may? june? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-5 Jason D wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be interested in this ride as well. I visit Asheville pretty 
>>>> often, but I don't have any insights on the trails/fire roads there. 
>>>> Asheville or Boone would be good with me!
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:41:33 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Should we shoot for Boone or Asheville?   What month?  Mileage?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:01:38 PM UTC-5 River Bailey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also in Indy and could travel down with Eric for a Riv ride.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> River
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 12:07:39 PM UTC-5 EGNolan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm throwing my name in the hat to join along. I'm in Indianapolis, 
>>>>>>> but my in-laws are in Spruce Pine just off the Parkway and I'm keen to 
>>>>>>> ride 
>>>>>>> in the area with other Riv-folk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Eric 
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:08:33 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be happy to come up to Boone too. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 

[RBW] Re: Free: Susie Frame

[Pam Bikes]

If you still have it, my friend offered to build me a tall bike and I could 
use it for that.

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 11:55:27 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:

> Benjamin,
>
> Do you still have the Susie frame and fork? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 3:20:02 PM UTC-5 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: image.jpg][image: image.jpg][image: image.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 3:48:41 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Echoing Keith with “bummer”, but I gotta say I can’t see any downsides 
>>> to fillet brazing here. The steel tore alongside the fillet. The fact that 
>>> it’s actually torn and not cracked there is as much proof as I’d need to 
>>> have trust in the bronze union. That said, I’d love to see some closeups as 
>>> well, if it’s not too heart wrenching to post…
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Gosh, what a bummer.  So sorry that happened, and hope insurance will 
 make you whole.  This does seem to illustrate the down-side to fillet/tig 
 construction and curved tubes.  I imagine that it will be difficult to 
 repair.   Unless it's just too painful, I'd love to see some close-up 
 shots 
 of the fillet joints on the damaged tubes, to see how they faired and to 
 understand their limitations/strengths better.  Trying to make lemonade, I 
 guess. 

 On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 9:28:42 AM UTC-6 benjami...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> This size L Susie frame fell off a rack on the highway. Top and down 
> tube are obviously broken but rear triangle and head tube seem fine. Free 
> if you pay for shipping.
>
> [image: BEA2F3C4-2C2F-43FE-A7BB-06741817CE6A.jpeg]



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[RBW] Re: The Riv goes "Spinal Tap"

[Pam Bikes]

The bike nerdery is the best part of the whole thing.  This is the one 
place that we can all appreciate it.  Thanks for the post.  Friction and 
bar ends are the way to go!

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 12:02:54 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

> Nick,
>
> Thanks for that information. This explains all the various options well: 
> https://brainybiker.com/can-you-put-an-11-speed-cassette-on-a-10-speed-hub-fast-answer/
>
> Shimano’s SLX line is reasonably affordable, and they make an 11-40. More 
> stuff to contemplate for next winter.
>
> Drew
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 2:23:27 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 9:11:13 am UTC+11 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>> The hub on the Ibis is 8/9/10 only, but I may convert it to 2x10 next 
>> rainy season.
>>
>>
>> The Shimano 11-34 11s cassettes fit fine on 8/9/10-speed HG hubs. As do 
>> all the larger 11s MTB cassettes. The bracing angle of the spokes means 
>> that the large cog on those cassettes can sit further inwards than the 
>> large cog on smaller cassettes, so they are made with the large cog 
>> overhanging to the inside, and will fit on the older hubs. If you fit one 
>> of those cassettes to a hub intended for 11s road cassettes, you need to 
>> fit a 1.8mm spacer on the inside of the cassette, or the lockring will 
>> bottom out before it has tightened on the cassette.
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

t;>>>>> benefitting from it. Good friend of David S who I think  is member of 
>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>> group too. To Michaelwill keep eyes open for your father here 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> Brevard. At 73, I'm guessing I'm as old or older than him. :-) To Steve 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> Asheville. I know the areas you mention well. The hills around here can 
>>>>>>> be 
>>>>>>> brutal, especially for an old slow guy like me. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've ridden from my home in Brevard to the Parkway (Blue Ridge 
>>>>>>> Parkway) once, up 276 and back down. ~ 40 miles round trip with tough 
>>>>>>> elevation gain, especially the last few miles, before heading back 
>>>>>>> down. 
>>>>>>> Ever thankful for my super comfortable 61 Homer that Keven helped me 
>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>> back when he was still at Riv. Great guy. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I get the usual comments about my bike. Nice bike! How old is it? 
>>>>>>> Among others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't live in NC, but my sister lives in Pittsboro, and I 
>>>>>>>> generally make it up there a couple of times a year. I will be there 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> 1st week of July this year at a minimum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:36:20 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm a Riv rider in West Asheville
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5 lukeheller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first 
>>>>>>>>>> started riding brevets in 2012.
>>>>>>>>>> No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had 
>>>>>>>>>> several custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm the local organizer for the Asheville Intl Randonneurs and 
>>>>>>>>>> live in Asheville if anyone wants to drink the kool-aid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>> steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some 
>>>>>>>>>>> serious thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally 
>>>>>>>>>>> ride fire 
>>>>>>>>>>> roads in the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride 
>>>>>>>>>>> from 
>>>>>>>>>>> the Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). 
>>>>>>>>>>> Been 
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta Brewing might be fun to start from 
>>>>>>>>>>> and end 
>>>>>>>>>>> at. I'd enjoy riding with a group of Riv riders - if you'd promise 
>>>>>>>>>>> not to 
>>>>>>>>>>> be too hard on me if I turn up on a different marque. Full 
>>>>>>>>>>> disclosure; I am 
>>>>>>>>>>> old and slow.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:45:40 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not much for climbing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>>>> esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance to go on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boone. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael's a wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the area. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y'all have some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever find 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone on the list in person. Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My folks still live there. You may see my dad riding an old 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diamond back 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed an electric assist on it! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boone, NC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more time riding in the mountains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis, in NC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Hand-Wringing: Kickstand Edition

[Pam Bikes]

Of course we all understand.  I don't mind the looks of the new one and 
would be willing to try it but then you said it rattled.  i don't like a 
noisy bike.  I don't mind something a little weird looking if it's more 
functional.  Does it at least work well?  Change is hard when you loved 
what you had and just want that but it did break so you do want better.  
But the new one should work better and look better too.  Can't wait to see 
pictures of what you decide.  

Along the same lines, I put on a new seat post and no one will ever know 
the difference but it bugs me that it doesn't look the same.  So I know how 
you feel.  It's a problem we all can relate to.


On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:03:21 PM UTC-5 JW wrote:

> I have full faith you can swap the new kickstand on when it arrives, no 
> reason to outsource that labor with your newfound bike mechanic skills!
>
> Jared
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Pam Bikes]

Great suggestions all.  Jason, the Swagman is near the limits on weight for 
my Betty since it has fenders, dyno, etc.  The other bike will most likely 
be a Surly Disc Trucker so both will be towards the 35 lb max weight limit.

Max mentioned a Saris which has a higher weight limit.  Max, do you have a 
picture on the rack?  Does it stabilize the frame?  Where?  I see something 
in the picture but can't see close up to see where, how it attaches to the 
bike in the middle.

The 1up price and fender cushions concern me.   I have the SKS plastic 
fenders and don't want to break them.
Thank you everyone for your suggestions.
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and then 
> a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with 
> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs 
> to.  We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes 
> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) 
> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount
>
> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>> If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, don't 
>> waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a single-bike 
>> heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 bikes, with 
>> each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs.
>>
>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/
>>
>> 1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per 
>> wheel: 
>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/
>>
>> IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders and 
>>> the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if you 
>>> have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution that 
>>> keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging together. 
>>> The 1up was the closest I could find to ideal. 
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 09:15, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my 
>>> full coverage rear fender. What do you think?
>>>
>>> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s 
>>> Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.
>>>
>>> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
>>> throughs/mixtes.
>>>
>>> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
>>> luck with those?
>>>
>>> Toshi in Oakland 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
>>>> 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an 
>>>> xl 
>>>> Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Jacob
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
>>>> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
>>>> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
>>>> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
>>>> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
>>>> fenders).
>>>>
>>>> Joyce
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking for recommendation

[RBW] Bike rack suggestions

[Pam Bikes]

Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

...and also determine mileage, pace, elevation, etc.  Obviously I'd like to 
be able to take in all the bikes over a picnic or some type of gathering.  
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:15:07 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Let's all try to plan a Riv NC ride near Boone this summer.  Who can 
> help?  We would need to pick a date, plan a route.  I'm not familiar with 
> the area.
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Dick,
>> I’m in asheville and know about 5 other riv riders here. We spend lots of 
>> time on the Bent Creek trails/fire roads.
>> Gary
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

Let's all try to plan a Riv NC ride near Boone this summer.  Who can help?  
We would need to pick a date, plan a route.  I'm not familiar with the area.

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Dick,
> I’m in asheville and know about 5 other riv riders here. We spend lots of 
> time on the Bent Creek trails/fire roads.
> Gary
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>
>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>
>> Dick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

Mark, I've been riding in Apex and Cary and I think it's hillier than 
Charlotte.  Lots of rollers with the steep grades I'm finding.  Charlotte 
is flatter.

Dick, I didn't realize you were the OP until now.  I'm not great at 
organizing but I would like to do a Riv ride.  I haven't ridden in 
Brevard.  I hear it's great.  

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dick,
>
> I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go 
> on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
> wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
> some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
> near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
> the list in person. Cheers,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
>> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
>> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an 
>> electric assist on it! 
>>
>> Michael
>> Boone, NC
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>>
>>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
>>> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
>>> riding in the mountains.
>>>
>>> Denis, in NC
>>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>>>
 Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
 Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 

 Dick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

Franklyn, I'm in Charlotte and can loan you a bike but you'd need to pick 
it up.  If y'all do organize anything I'd plan to be there but I'm busy 
teaching CyclingSavvy 2/24-26.  Y'all could all come to Charlotte and join 
me for the course!  Or I could come 2/27 or 28.  It's warmer in Charlotte.  
It was 72° - shorts and t shirt weather today.  Just an idea.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:30:53 PM UTC-5 sin...@msn.com wrote:

> I live no where near Asheville (in Berkeley, CA) but my wife was born in 
> Asheville and grew up in Greenville, SC, and I visited the Upstate/Western 
> NC plenty between 2006 and 2019. Here is the selfish bit: I will be 
> visiting the upstate area from 2/22-2/28, maybe you guys can arrange the 
> get together ride on the weekend of 2/26-27? (and someone lend me a bike?)
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:30:12 PM UTC-8 Suntour Jim wrote:
>
>> Same goes for me - Knoxville is only 2 hours away from Asheville. A group 
>> ride would be great.
>>
>> Jim Bailey
>> Knoxville, TN
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:31:49 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm only 5 to 5.5 hours away from Asheville and/or Boone. I'm in Central 
>>> KY. There's a handful of us Riv riders here who would probably consider 
>>> making the drive if there was a meetup planned in that area!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:24:27 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dick, just saying "thank you" for kicking off this thread. Interesting 
>>>> to see the number of Riv riders in the area.
>>>>
>>>> If you ever take a notion to organize a Brevard area ride for Riv 
>>>> riders (and Riv curious, like myself) I'd be interested. Between the 
>>>> Brevard paved greenway network, the dirt trail into the National Forest at 
>>>> Pisgah Forest and the breweries/eateries along the greenway - and whatever 
>>>> routes you Brevard locals keep secret - I bet a low key party pace ride 
>>>> could be a fun event. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:31:53 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanx to all responding to my western NC post. Good to know. 
>>>>> First..to Pamtook your CC class in Clt few years ago. Still 
>>>>> benefitting from it. Good friend of David S who I think  is member of 
>>>>> this 
>>>>> group too. To Michaelwill keep eyes open for your father here in 
>>>>> Brevard. At 73, I'm guessing I'm as old or older than him. :-) To Steve 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> Asheville. I know the areas you mention well. The hills around here can 
>>>>> be 
>>>>> brutal, especially for an old slow guy like me. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I've ridden from my home in Brevard to the Parkway (Blue Ridge 
>>>>> Parkway) once, up 276 and back down. ~ 40 miles round trip with tough 
>>>>> elevation gain, especially the last few miles, before heading back down. 
>>>>> Ever thankful for my super comfortable 61 Homer that Keven helped me with 
>>>>> back when he was still at Riv. Great guy. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I get the usual comments about my bike. Nice bike! How old is it? 
>>>>> Among others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't live in NC, but my sister lives in Pittsboro, and I generally 
>>>>>> make it up there a couple of times a year. I will be there the 1st week 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> July this year at a minimum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:36:20 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm a Riv rider in West Asheville
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5 lukeheller wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first started 
>>>>>>>> riding brevets in 2012.
>>>>>>>> No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had 
>>>>>>>> several custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
>>>>>>>> I'm the local orga

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  I'm not much 
for climbing.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dick,
>
> I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go 
> on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
> wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
> some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
> near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
> the list in person. Cheers,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
>> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
>> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an 
>> electric assist on it! 
>>
>> Michael
>> Boone, NC
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>>
>>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
>>> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
>>> riding in the mountains.
>>>
>>> Denis, in NC
>>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>>>
 Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
 Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 

 Dick

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sparkly Purple Betty Foy For Sale

[Pam Bikes]

Just seeing this convo.  I tried that saddle but the springs hit the top of 
the rack so I'll try it on a different bike next week.  Same size as my 
B68S but w/springs.  If it doesn't fit, I'll put it on another Riv.  
Swapping saddles around.  I couldn't believe how quickly I got the saddle 
from WA.  

I hope someone does  buy that purple Betty.  If anyone has any questions, I 
can likely answer them.  It is a do it all bike!  

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:38:59 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> My apologies for not replying sooner than you might have expected. 
>
> I thank-you very much for your sharing with me more about Pam Murray. 
> She's quite a shining star of joy from her smile. 
> Long may she ride !
>
> I recently sold my Brooks B67S saddle to her. I hope she enjoys it more so 
> than I did. 
>
> Enjoy !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Kim, 
>>
>> Pam is the RivSister of all RivSisters, lol. She will go down in history 
>> as the first Rivendell rider to ride her steel frame into dust. I have long 
>> told her she needs a custom in whatever her actual size really is, tucked 
>> in her closet in case anything (heaven forbid) happen to her little Betty. 
>> I saw that bike in person at the Philly Bike Expo. It was clearly 
>> thoroughly enjoyed! 
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> I thank-you for your information, regarding the frame size of Pam's Betty 
>> Foy. I did not know that. 
>>
>> Incredible that Pam surpassed the 70,000 mile mark on her bike !  Amazing 
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:41:47 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No - she loves her Betty and, hers is a 47 cm and it’s too big for her. 
>>> (This purple Betty is a 52.) She rides it anyway and just crossed the 
>>> 70,000 mile mark last week.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 9:39 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Maybe Pam Murray of Pam Bikes would be interested in this Betty Foy for 
>>> an upgrade from her old Betty Foy bicycle ?...
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:24:09 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> I saw this on the Facebook group: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/5574598489315205/
>>>>
>>>> Seems like someone would just love this one of a kind Betty! 
>>>>
>>>> Leah
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rons Bikes Small Fabio Chest

[Pam Bikes]

Love that color.  I'd buy it if someone would want my Field Tan Fab's 
Chest.  

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 2:44:21 PM UTC-5 JW wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> Up for sale is a small Fab's Chest in olive. 
>
> Only used twice to retrieve mail, I've just realized I'm more of a basket 
> kinda guy.
>
> Like new condition, $250 + shipping via Pirate Ship.
>
> Please respond off list if interested.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> Jared
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: CyclingSavvy Zoom presentation

[Pam Bikes]

You can only ride one bike at a time and he was riding his other bike.  

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:05:21 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This begs the question; why is that sweet Sendero going to a storage unit?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> Pam,
>
> This is fantastic. I am sure many folks rode bicycles as children and 
> young adults, then stopped riding. Your video on your site speaks to this! 
> All they need is a little training and confidence to get back on a bike.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> For all those curious about CyclingSavvy, I've added a classroom only 
>> option which is done via Zoom so anyone can participate.  I'll post the 
>> link at the end. 
>>
>>  Other than my Riv Betty Foy, it's the one thing I use everyday.  
>> CyclingSavvy teaches you how to mitigate risks and teaches you how to be 
>> visible, relevant and predictable.  
>>
>> If you're unsure if you really want to register, send me an email.  I'll 
>> send you a link so you can listen in for the first hour to see if you want 
>> to stick around for the rest.  And if you ever want to come to Charlotte, 
>> NC for the on bike sessions, I'll loan you a Betty Foy or Cheviot.  Riding 
>> your bike should be fun and this may help take some of the fear out of some 
>> of your rides.  CyclingSavvy can take you from fear to freedom.
>>
>> https://cyclingsavvy.org/organizer/pamela-murray-2/
>>
>> Picture from the other day when I helped a friend move his Chumba Sendero 
>> TI mtb to his storage unit.  [image: chumba.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] CyclingSavvy Zoom presentation

[Pam Bikes]

For all those curious about CyclingSavvy, I've added a classroom only 
option which is done via Zoom so anyone can participate.  I'll post the 
link at the end. 

 Other than my Riv Betty Foy, it's the one thing I use everyday.  
CyclingSavvy teaches you how to mitigate risks and teaches you how to be 
visible, relevant and predictable.  

If you're unsure if you really want to register, send me an email.  I'll 
send you a link so you can listen in for the first hour to see if you want 
to stick around for the rest.  And if you ever want to come to Charlotte, 
NC for the on bike sessions, I'll loan you a Betty Foy or Cheviot.  Riding 
your bike should be fun and this may help take some of the fear out of some 
of your rides.  CyclingSavvy can take you from fear to freedom.

https://cyclingsavvy.org/organizer/pamela-murray-2/

Picture from the other day when I helped a friend move his Chumba Sendero 
TI mtb to his storage unit.  [image: chumba.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Getting my groove back on with the Platypus - dealing with near misses

[Pam Bikes]

I understand how you feel.  We all feel this way occasionally and most 
places are car centric in that there is not bike specific infrastructure.  
And gyms are located on heavily traveled roads as most businesses are.  I'm 
a Cycling Savvy Instructor which helps riders understand the traffic system 
so you can have a better experience.  I invite you to join me for my next 
course Jan 27th.  The classroom session is on Zoom so you can attend from 
anywhere.  Please let me know if you are interested and I can send you the 
link.  By all means you should be able to ride your bike wherever you 
want.  Cycling Savvy has helped me do just that.  I make all my trips by 
bike except one per week (to keep the battery charged).  If I can, you can 
too.  I'm in Charlotte, NC which is also car centric.  
On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 2:58:14 PM UTC-5 Jay LePree wrote:

> Hi all:
> I live in car-centric, crowded, northeastern NJ.  I joined a gym two towns 
> over and ride my bike to the gym, about 3.5 miles each way.  I take the 
> least busiest streets possible, but unfortunately, I need to ride through a 
> semi-busy, though traffic-lit intersection.
>
> In my last 12 trips to the gym, I have had two near misses which could 
> have been hits if I did not ride like Kent Peterson had described.  "Treat 
> cars like big animals with poor eyesight that can't see you.  In one case, 
> at night, although I have a Schmidt Edelux II, a huge reflective ankle 
> bracelet on my basket, wear a reflective vest and have reflective ankle 
> bands, I had a car nearly make a left turn into me while I was crossing the 
> intersection.  The car was going straight through, and without signalling, 
> decided to turn left at the last minute.  I stopped in time to prevent "the 
> left cross".  Not less than 5 days later, in clear, bright daylight, I had 
> a car pass me on the right and then proceed to turn right in front of me.  
> (I think this is called the right hook?).  Again, applying Kent's approach 
> to riding, I was able to stop in time.
>
> I am thankful my skills were sufficent to prevent contact, but now I am 
> skittish.  Given the legalized weed and the propensity for peope to drink 
> around this time of year, I am finding excuses not to ride to the gym, even 
> in daylight.  I think it is the back-to-back nature of these incidents that 
> has me most unnerved.  
>
> How have all of you got your groove back on?  
>
> Kind regards,
> Jay LePree
> Demarest, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Pam Bikes]

Friction and albatross bars are great.  I didn't know how to use them when 
I got them but it's easy.  Takes 5 minutes to learn.  Not sure where she 
lives in GA but I'm in NC and would be glad to help.  I'm in Charlotte, NC 
which is on the border of SC.  I'm from Augusta, GA which is only 2 1/2 hrs 
away.  I have a 47 Betty Foy so I have the same issue.  This is the only 
bike that fits me.  Let me know if I can help.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> :) 
> Are y'all really asking me to defend why I'm upgrading a 30 year old bike 
> for a very good friend of mine? Sheesh.
>
> Of course I've gotten her input. Here's what she's said: 
>
>- "I want a bike like [your wife's] bike, with those handlebars." - 45 
>Clem L with Boscos (also a bit too big...)
>- "No way, I'm not spending that much money on a bike, and you better 
>not spend that much on a bike for me either." - We've all been there, and 
> I 
>won't, especially since Riv doesn't make a bike small enough for her. I'll 
>split the cost of a custom with her if she catches the bug and nothing 
> else 
>will do. :)
>- "My husband got me another bike from someone he works with, but I 
>just don't like the way it feels." - It's a 700c wheel bike with the seat 
>all the way down and the adjustable angle stem all the way up to get the 
>flat bars close enough for her to reach 'em so she's bent over riding it 
>like it has ape hangers on it. This has happened like 5 times.
>- "I mean, I've never ridden a bike that fits, so I have no idea what 
>kind of shifters I'll like. I just want a bike that's not a kids bike, and 
>that fits, so that I can put my foot on the ground when I stop." - I know 
>that that's not a criteria for what "fits", but it'll make her feel better 
>riding it, and she can raise the seat when she's ready.
>
> I'd love to have gotten her to ride it first, but I live in Arkansas and 
> she lives in Georgia. I did say that she's ridden my wife's 45cm Clem L, 
> and it was a smidge too big. I also mentioned that I know her PBH, so I 
> have a good idea of her saddle height, and this bike accommodates that with 
> some room to go shorter, so she can get it low enough to put a foot on the 
> ground. Finding a used (inexpensive) bike that's smaller than a 45 Clem L 
> and that "isn't a kids bike" is not easy, so when I found one, I asked her 
> if she liked the color, then I measured it when I checked it out, then I 
> bought it (and I didn't pay COVID prices on a vintage MTB either, even 
> though the asking price was obscene). 
>
> The seat height will work. She'll have about a fistful of seatpost 
> showing! If the reach is too short, I'll put on a longer stem. But I'm more 
> concerned that even with Albas, I'll need to find a shorter stem and it'll 
> impact the handling, so I may have to buy some Boscos, but I'm at least 
> holding off on that expense.
>
> The derailers may be fine. I'll probably give them a try with new shifters 
> just to see, but they are absurdly heavy and have some quirks that new 
> derailers have improved on. They're basically Tourney level, which, even 
> new, is lowest usable group in my opinion. And I have an new Altus in my 
> bin that's been waiting for a bike, so why not!
>
> And, come on, rapid fire shifters from the early 90s feel like garbage 
> compared to almost any other shifter ever made, even brand new. So I'm 
> swapping them out so her first impression of the bike won't be "this feels 
> bad". I appreciate the frugality of using everything as long as it works, 
> but I'd rather give my friend a bike the feels good, than one with 30 years 
> of gunk in it. I didn't have any 7 speed shifters in my bin, but I do have 
> a nice 8/9 speed wheel and two compatible shifter options, so it seemed 
> like I could get away what I had on hand, but it hasn't worked out that 
> way. So I'm in about $40 for a cassette, chain, and shifters. I went with 
> Sunrace shifters so the display will be on the outside of the bar so it 
> won't take up unnecessary grip real estate. Either way, having an 8/9/10 
> speed wheel on it will be a little more future proof. 
>
> The cantilever brakes work ok, and would be even better with new cables, 
> but the pads are crispy and the levers that were on there were plastic!! I 
> have v brakes, new pads, and nice Tektro levers in my bin that will feel 
> better anyway. I actually got the levers and brakes for free to begin with, 
> so it's actually cheaper for me to replace the whole setup than buy new 
> cantilever pads. 
>
> The bike IS in mostly good shape. I love the paint. A good friend of mine 
> had the men's version with a similar paint scheme when we were in middle 
> school. It's got me nostalgic. I honestly think this bike is beautiful, 
> even well proportioned, which is hard to find on a small bike. But it's 
> been maintained even less than it's been ridden. 

[RBW] Re: Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

[Pam Bikes]

Plus 1 for the dual kool stops.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:38:56 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I like to dual compound pads from Kool Stop. The salmon pads squeal too 
> much. The dual compound stop fantastically and set up easily and I like 
> having the pads that slide into the holder.
>
> www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html
>
> http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2holder.html
>
> I've tried a couple types of Jagwire and a couple types of Shimano and the 
> plain Salmon kool stops and the dual compound v type 2 are leaps and bounds 
> better than any other ones.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 7:56:57 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
>
>> Hey, Bunch:
>>
>> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their 
>> function?
>>
>> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to 
>> them.
>>
>> Happy holidays,
>>
>> Scott in Montana
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Pam Bikes]

I have pictures but Leah will need to tell me how to post them.  And I'm at 
the airport.  Somehow I slept ok b/c I was so tired from the prior days.  
So much fun!  

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:25:02 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> (Do not read until you watch the scandalous video Leah posted above.)
>
> Scandalous? Perhaps.  Or not.
>
>  I asked Will and he cannot get the seat high enough, so biking on those 
> “sucks the fun out of biking” city bikes hurt his knees with the saddle too 
> low, and one of those bikes in the video helps. James and Vince needed to 
> keep up. 
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:26:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Scandalous video of the Rivendell staff:
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Pam Bikes]

Just noticed you're in STL but maybe you'll be nearby sometime.  

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:29:36 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Matt, not sure where you are but I'm in Charlotte.  I have a 47, 50 Betty, 
> 55 and 60 Cheviots.  You're welcome to try them out to see which size.  I 
> think the 50 would fit her but it depends on leg length (PBH).  
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:24:16 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Brett,
>>
>> The ACTUAL BicycleBelleDingDing ex-Betty bike???  I think that was the 
>> most beloved Betty ever.  Matt's wife should get this, but ONLY if your 
>> wife gets the oh, so awsome Platy.
>>
>> BTW, I never heard of Rivendell until my searches about 6 years ago found 
>> messages about the Betty Foy and how it was the best bike ever made!  I 
>> found one selling for $4k and everyone was raving about it (and I don't 
>> think it was on this board).  I WANTED IT,  but didn't have $4K.  Now, I'm 
>> the woman with a funny grin on my face riding a Platy.
>>
>> Matt,  I live in the city and my 55 cm Platy with a wheelbase of 47" is 
>> too long for Philadelphia city-bus bike rack.  It's too long for Amtrak.  A 
>> 50 cm (your wife's size) might fit the bill, but if mass transportation is 
>> important to you, please measure.  Or, get Brett's Betty (measure 
>> wheelbase, but I think it will be fine.).
>>
>> I love it when one person's happiness can become another person's 
>> happiness.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-4 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, but what if he could find THAT actual bike!
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:22:23 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m 5’6” and my Betty Foy was actually a 55. Riv changed the sizing 
>>>> over the years; I think my Betty was in their final run. I think it will 
>>>> be 
>>>> really hard to find that bicycle, but a 50 cm Platypus is a wonderful 
>>>> bike, 
>>>> and it is available from Rivendell now. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:21:40 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My wife had a 58cm Betty Foy.  She is about 5' - 6" tall and when we 
>>>>> visited Rivendell, they advised that as her size.  We were a bit 
>>>>> hesitant, 
>>>>> but upon receiving the completed bike it fit her well since it is a 
>>>>> step-through.  As noted, Riv recommended (at that time) Albatross 
>>>>> handlebars - they come back toward the rider and it is nice and upright, 
>>>>> so 
>>>>> good fit is not too difficult.  Thus, I think your wife would fit a 52cm 
>>>>> no 
>>>>> problem.  My wife did use it for commuting purposes, too (until we 
>>>>> plugged 
>>>>> the plug).
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I think it might be a bit hard to find a Betty Foy.  Maybe the 
>>>>> Platypus?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Claremont, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically 
>>>>>> likes a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not 
>>>>>> really in to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> trail rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone 
>>>>>> have old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and 
>>>>>> searched, but been coming up empty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Matt in STL
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Pam Bikes]

Matt, not sure where you are but I'm in Charlotte.  I have a 47, 50 Betty, 
55 and 60 Cheviots.  You're welcome to try them out to see which size.  I 
think the 50 would fit her but it depends on leg length (PBH).  

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:24:16 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Brett,
>
> The ACTUAL BicycleBelleDingDing ex-Betty bike???  I think that was the 
> most beloved Betty ever.  Matt's wife should get this, but ONLY if your 
> wife gets the oh, so awsome Platy.
>
> BTW, I never heard of Rivendell until my searches about 6 years ago found 
> messages about the Betty Foy and how it was the best bike ever made!  I 
> found one selling for $4k and everyone was raving about it (and I don't 
> think it was on this board).  I WANTED IT,  but didn't have $4K.  Now, I'm 
> the woman with a funny grin on my face riding a Platy.
>
> Matt,  I live in the city and my 55 cm Platy with a wheelbase of 47" is 
> too long for Philadelphia city-bus bike rack.  It's too long for Amtrak.  A 
> 50 cm (your wife's size) might fit the bill, but if mass transportation is 
> important to you, please measure.  Or, get Brett's Betty (measure 
> wheelbase, but I think it will be fine.).
>
> I love it when one person's happiness can become another person's 
> happiness.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-4 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
>> Ah, but what if he could find THAT actual bike!
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:22:23 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m 5’6” and my Betty Foy was actually a 55. Riv changed the sizing over 
>>> the years; I think my Betty was in their final run. I think it will be 
>>> really hard to find that bicycle, but a 50 cm Platypus is a wonderful bike, 
>>> and it is available from Rivendell now. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:21:40 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>>
 My wife had a 58cm Betty Foy.  She is about 5' - 6" tall and when we 
 visited Rivendell, they advised that as her size.  We were a bit hesitant, 
 but upon receiving the completed bike it fit her well since it is a 
 step-through.  As noted, Riv recommended (at that time) Albatross 
 handlebars - they come back toward the rider and it is nice and upright, 
 so 
 good fit is not too difficult.  Thus, I think your wife would fit a 52cm 
 no 
 problem.  My wife did use it for commuting purposes, too (until we plugged 
 the plug).

 Yes, I think it might be a bit hard to find a Betty Foy.  Maybe the 
 Platypus?

 Best regards,

 Jeff
 Claremont, CA

 On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically 
> likes a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not 
> really in to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting 
> and 
> trail rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>
> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone 
> have old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and 
> searched, but been coming up empty.
>
> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in STL
>


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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Pam Bikes]

I'll be riding to the Expo Sat 
<https://phillybikeexpo.com/ride-to-pbe22/>morning, 
doing a demo at 1:30 
<https://phillybikeexpo.com/meet-my-rivendell-betty-foy-my-daily-drive-how-to-set-up-your-bike-for-everyday-use-like-your-car/>
 
and riding to the Keystone Party 
<https://phillybikeexpo.com/ride-with-cyclingsavvy-to-keystone-bikes/>.  
Details on PBE website.  Please come see me and ride w/me.  

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:36:39 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I got this update to the bike expo in my email today.  Lots of 
> information, including a press release:  
> https://madmimi.com/p/dc7ae41?pact=367096-170142516-11332754941-2829bc1df8e3bd915158a7aa4c23f05462633058
>   
>
>
> From the press release, which you can read in full, embedded in the above 
> link.:
>
> "The exhibitor count is approaching all-time pre-pandemic highs... an 
> exhibitor list of 160 brands, up 40 percent over last year’s tentative 
> post-pandemic expo. Pre-event ticket sales have been very healthy too.
>
> "The popular PBE Food Court is back in the exhibition hall with the same 
> range of offerings as pre-pandemic."
>
> Want to meet at the Food Court around 12:30 for a meet and great?  You 
> know what Leah looks like.  You know what Pam looks like.  I am tall-ish 
> and have short white hair and will probably be near them.  
>
> Weather Saturday and Sunday:  low 41, high 63.  Sunny.  No rain.
>
> Contact me off list if you need anything local.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:24:16 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I can't wait to meet ya'll  I'l be flying and boxing my bike (Betty 
>> Foy).  I'll be doing a demo of what to carry on your bike and how to carry 
>> stuff and hope to give a presentation on ideas to build bike community and 
>> culture.  I'll be helping w/a ride Sat mornining to the Expo and another 
>> from the Expo to the Keystone Bike Party Sat night.  I think there's a Riv 
>> sisters Fri night ride brewing too - I guess guys will be invited but will 
>> need to follow us.  I'm always up for a ride and have a dyno so I ride all 
>> the time.  I'm not on the group all the time but I check email all the 
>> time.  Working on details, routes, etc.  But email me for any questions.  
>> For example, Joe, just box the bike.  Watch the video on Riv.  I think it's 
>> Emilio packing a bike to ship.  It's easy to pack and only $30 like a 
>> checked bag.  I put the duffle bag backpack straps on so my hands are free 
>> to carry the bike box to check it at the airport.  If I can do it, you can 
>> too.  I'm smaller than you.  
>>
>> Picture from last weeks 367 mile ride across NC on my Betty Foy.  p.s. 
>> that's a My Little Pony I found.[image: IMG_5928.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 7:09:59 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Joe — I went to PBE for the first time last year. Not sure I'll make it 
>>> this year. There are lots of vendors displaying all kinds of cycling 
>>> related stuff: bike makers of all kinds, bag and luggage makers, tool 
>>> makers and anything else you can think of. There are food, beer and coffee 
>>> vendors as well. 
>>>
>>> Russ's video from PBE a few years ago 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEDra8YR8-s> gives a pretty good idea 
>>> of the flow of things. 
>>>
>>> I found it helpful to do a quick surface walk around all the booths and 
>>> displays without stopping, then returning to check out booths that caught 
>>> my attention. There is no end of stuff to dive into and people to chat 
>>> with. 
>>>
>>> Things I'd check out this year: Rivendell, Paul Component, King Cage, 
>>> Silca, Chapman Cycles, Fat Chance, Sal's Bikes, Jubilee Mfg, Breadwinner, 
>>> Merry Sales, White Ind, Velocity, Sinewave. Whoever has good decaf 
>>> espresso. Always cool to check in with yr fave brands because they often 
>>> have custom swag. 
>>>
>>> I didn't make it to any of the talks but there are always a few I wish I 
>>> had time for. 
>>>
>>> The bike valet is fun and you'll see lots of great bikes and nice people 
>>> who have some overlapping interests. On my way there I got several shout 
>>> outs for my Appaloosa from strangers passing by. Plus, the people you might 
>>> run into from this here forum! 
>>>
>>> A few things that were fun last year: 
>>>
>>> Riv — James, Vince and Will were there with three demo bikes. Small 
>>> booth, no frills, great to meet them and to see a few frames

Re: [RBW] Crustendell Clementine Clydesdale Cargo Cycle Conversion progress

[Pam Bikes]

Love this!  I have a blue banana bag that may look good on the seat.  I 
want to know how it handles.  This reminds me of the #sheldonbrown

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 7:05:44 PM UTC-4 Jared Wilson wrote:

> I love everything about this, thank you for stepping outside of the box!
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:14:30 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> The Crust Clydesdale fork has mounts for two brakes - a disc and a V / 
>> cantilever. I am using a V-brake as a parking brake. The third brake lever 
>> is a Dia-Compe with locking mechanism - similar to what many recumbent 
>> trikes have. Apply the brake, push the button in, release the brake, 
>> release the button and the lever maintains cable tension, locking the 
>> wheel. Just apply the brake lever again and release and the button pops out 
>> and the parking brake is off.
>>
>> You can also get a brake lever that applies two brakes at once, but I 
>> thought the parking brake along with the SteerStopper to lock the forks 
>> straight ahead is what a cargo bike needs.
>>
>> [image: parkingbrakes.jpg]
>>
>> The twist ties are just temporary until I am satisfied with cable lengths 
>> and routing.
>>
>> The blue cables are to match the blue Clementine decals.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that’s a cool hybrid! Elegant and utilitarian. 
>>> I can’t remember ever seeing a bicycle parking brake. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 8:46 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Making some progress again at last. Fitting fenders and playing with 
 tire sizes. Going to install the chain today. Ordered the locking brake 
 lever for the parking brake.

>>>
>>> <22-10-06s.jpg>
>>>
>>> Laing 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Pam Bikes]

I haven't read all the posts except the first one but couple of things...  
I teach Cycling Savvy (
https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/3-part-workshop-charlotte-nc-oct-21-23/2022-10-21/)
 which 
teaches communication and cooperation.  I never use the one finger salute, 
I always use the friendly wave and smile tactic.  (I don't give anyone the 
power to ruin my ride.)  But before that I communicate in four redundant 
ways.  1) Lane selection - using the lane for my intended direction, i.e. 
the left lane if I'm making a L.  2) Lane positioning - positioning myself 
for my direction of travel, i.e. in the left side of the lane if I'm 
turning right.  3) Shoulder check - this helps build empathy by humanizing 
yourself.  You have a life which is valuable.  And this acknowledges the 
motorists presence.  4) Signaling - your next move.  In the original post, 
I'd have signaled either R or L.  If I'm not making a turn and I do not 
want to release the lane or can't release the lane, I'd hold up my pointer 
finger indicating I need a second.  Communicating helps defuse a possibly 
tense situation.  While this is not fool proof, it generally works most of 
the time.  I ride daily.  I ride wherever I need to go.  And mostly I have 
95% good experiences.  The bad ones I chalk up to people who are frustrated 
being trapped in a car.  And they'd be having a bad day and honking at me 
even if I were driving a car.  Aggression is not b/c you are on a bike.  It 
may be b/c they are in a car.  Of course, I get a few honks.  But I've 
never had anything thrown at me.  Please come to Charlotte, NC and ride 
w/me and you'll see.  I take people riding all the time and they say 
they've never had such a good experience.  And when I rode the last 5 days 
across NC (365 miles), it was basically the same.  And my goal then was to 
get full lane change passes and I think I got about 90%.   
https://ridewithgps.com/collections/58792

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.  We have all experienced 
aggression.  It is real.  I hope this helps.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:01:54 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:

> RBW content - I owe my 1998 Rivendell LongLow Custom to getting doored in 
> west Berkeley. I was coming back from (high carbohydrate) lunch at 
> Jack-in-da-Box and was pedaling my lugged steel Centurion past parked cars 
> when a door swung open and caught me in the ribs - immediate full stop. A 
> painful injury, entirely not my fault. Long story short, the car driver's 
> insurance company agreed to a cash settlement, and I poured it it into a 
> custom RBW frame (and full set of components). The LongLow is still in the 
> stable.
>

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[RBW] SON light vs B IQ X 100

[Pam Bikes]

Thinking about changing lights to see the difference?  Worth it?  Any 
different?  Also concerned about the connections.  I have the Kasai hub 
w/the plug and not sure how to connect the SON light.  Will keep the same 
tail light (B Brakelight plus) which I love.   Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Blue Ridge loop

[Pam Bikes]

Great ride report.  Leaving for the Cycle NC Mountains to Coast ride, which 
has been cut down to 5 days from 7, on Sun.  I wasn't looking forward to 
the climbs.  Maybe it's working out for the best.  I'm in Charlotte and 
would be up for a ride anytime.  Where are you?  I'm on Warm Showers if you 
'd like to ride to/from here.

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, Keith. 
>
> Virginia humidity, like a lot of the East and the South, can be oppressive 
> for months on end. Wonderful out here in October and April. This September 
> has been far less humid than what I'm used to, lots of nice days earlier 
> than normal. 
>
> I have more trouble with mosquitoes than ticks! 
>
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 1:57:52 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Great report.
>> Every time I see your photos of Virginia I can't figure out why 
>> *everyone* doesn't live there.
>> Is it the humidity? Ticks? 
>> Beautiful stuff!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:22:31 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks a bunch, Chris. Encouraging anyone to get out and ride is quite 
>>> the compliment!
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:08:49 PM UTC-4 chris@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh wow, great report, Eric! Thanks for sharing it. I'm with everyone 
 else when I say it made me want to hop on the bike and go for a long one.
 On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good points, brokebike! I was a bit loopy getting out the door that 
> morning :) 
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 2:34:02 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Re: the Nano Puff, I currently own two jackets (hooded and 
>> non-hooded), and the vest. I've long considered the Nano Puff hoodie to 
>> be 
>> one of the best, most essential pieces of outdoor gear I have ever 
>> owned. 
>> That said, I cannot ride in one, or do anything strenuous in one for 
>> very 
>> long... even in sub-freezing temps. I overheat too much and it becomes 
>> unbearable. To me, they really shine as a lightweight, windblocking 
>> warmth 
>> layer for general outdoor use, especially hanging out around camp. 
>> Usually 
>> that over a merino t-shirt or baselayer is all I need even in winter. I 
>> always have one with me on outdoor activities October through April 
>> (Kentucky weather), but I just don't wear it when exerting myself.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 1:14:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Junes! On my ride today I was thinking I should have 
>>> stopped to take photos of the road surfaces, could be interesting to 
>>> share 
>>> with the group. But with all the climbing I was discouraged from 
>>> stopping. 
>>>
>>> J — I forget that synthetic and natural down layers are for keeping 
>>> you warm while you're still (or maybe descending). Reading your comment 
>>> I'm 
>>> now reminded. DM me and maybe we can connect for a ride :) 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 12:58:38 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>>>
 Great ride report Eric, looks like a lovely time. I'm just one 
 state over from you and would totally make the trip to accompany you 
 on a 
 ride. I've have not been very impressed with my Patagonia Nano Puff. 
 It's 
 not great for physical activities. 

 On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-4 
 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Blue Ridge ramble
> 23 September 2022
> 82 miles, 8,300 feet
>
> Taken with Ray Hosler’s accounts of long rides in the Sierras 
> riddled with fire roads, trespassing and lots of climbing I’ve been 
> looking 
> for a way to attempt something similar in my part of the world. 
> Unfortunately getting out to the mountains relative to where I live 
> requires at least three hours of driving. That creates enough 
> friction that 
> I can’t manage it every weekend. I do wonder what kind of riding 
> shape I’d 
> be in with easy mountain access. 
>
> I’ve been investigating paper maps, Google maps and Strava maps 
> looking for alternate routes and roads with an aim towards avoiding 
> highways and roads well travelled. While I couldn’t find any 
> confirmation 
> that certain roads connected to others while remaining passable by 
> bike I 
> felt confident enough to try and make a loop. My original charted 
> course 
> was 125 miles, combining a new untested loop with an old, familiar 
> one. 
>
> It seems that fall is on the way. The humidity has tapered off and 
> we’ve had some lovely weather. Some days in the mid 

[RBW] ISO Touring kickstand - adjustable

[Pam Bikes]

I waited to long to order one and I missed them.  If anyone has one to 
sell, let me know.  Also need a Randi Jo saddle cover.  Thanks.

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[RBW] 7/26 Mon 5 EDT Everyday Carry

[Pam Bikes]

Mon at 5 I'll be hosting a Zoom @cyclingsavvy 
 Ride Awesome event. Have you ever 
been on your bike and wished you had something? See how you can meet the 
challenge of making your bike more practical. How to carry, what to carry 
everwhere you go, how to equip the bike. Let me know if you're interested.

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

[Pam Bikes]

I'm not sure why you don't want to wire the rear taillight.  Super easy.  
Takes 5 min and some zip ties.  I love it.  Never have to worry about any 
lights or recharging.  I run the wire along the underside of the frame and 
up the rack.  You never see it.  I'm not mechanically inclined and I can do 
it.  So you can too.  Always on too so I'll never forget to turn it on or 
off.  But whatever makes you happy.  

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 8:30:45 PM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:

> Same thing over here. I picked up the same light off this list about a 
> month back. I took it down to a shop to wire it up and the mechanics just 
> wrapped the rear wire around the light mount a bunch and threw a zip tie on 
> there to hold it in place. Seems to be doing the trick just fine for me.
>
> Erik, Philly
> On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 5:46:15 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>
>> Just insulate the taillight connections with tape (or better heat-shrink) 
>> so that the connections don't make contact with each other or the frame. 
>> Then just connect the front light in the normal way and you are ready to go.
>>
>> If you were running an incandescent bulb headlight, there could be a 
>> concern that the headlight could receive too much voltage with no taillight 
>> wired in. With modern LED headlights, this is not a concern.
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:51:55 PM UTC-6 jinxed wrote:
>>
>>> Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything 
>>> involving electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with 
>>> more experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.
>>>
>>> Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 
>>> 2 pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some 
>>> sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no 
>>> considerations.
>>>
>>> Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will 
>>> primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have 
>>> several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so 
>>> I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That 
>>> said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the 
>>> rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the 
>>> light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the 
>>> front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked 
>>> great.
>>>
>>> Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching 
>>> the E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any 
>>> recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in 
>>> silver?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB : Dyno headlight

[Pam Bikes]

I think I'd like something brighter.  Thank you for responding.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:32:15 PM UTC-4 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Pam, 
>
> I have a busch+müller Lumotec Lyt LED B Senso dynamo light, which has a 
> brightness of 20 lux. 
>
> Please reach out with any further questions! 
>
> Lukas
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:19:02 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a dyno light that you don't want or use or upgraded?  It's 
>> for an occasionally used bike.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Pam Bikes]

Once you have a mixe-ish dropped tube, you won't go back to a horizontal 
top tube.  Just like dyno lights.  Great looking bike.  What size is it?  I 
bet it's fun to ride.

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:30:02 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Steel, mixte, this one! I'll own this bicycle as long as I can pedal it 
> and maybe even after that cuz it's so fun to look at. 
>
> Btw as this is a Leah thread I should give her a shoutout for the design 
> of my Rivendell Custom. It has the mixte-ish dropped tube because she 
> believes in them and I decided she's right! 
>
> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The expected answer from me, of the bikes I own, would be the Bombadil - 
>> but I'm not so sure I can say that confidently. It has the versatility and 
>> tire clearance to be a one-bike, even for my high varied riding (from 
>> brevets to mountain bike trails), but I like how the Hillborne rides more!  
>> The Hillborne also has a little more TT clearance for me, which may become 
>> a bigger deal over time, and it's still stout enough for me to carry a full 
>> camping load. Only downside is the tire size limitation... Ideally I'd get 
>> a custom that is basically a Hillborne that fits 48's with fenders, but 
>> that would be hard to justify ... mind you, think of all the money I'd save 
>> selling four of my five bikes haha! 
>>
>> On Saturday, 2 April 2022 at 06:22:50 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>>
>>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
>>> question yesterday: 
>>>
>>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
>>> what style - mixte or normal? 
>>>
>>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>>
>>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
>>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
>>> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>>>
>>> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
>>> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB : Dyno headlight

[Pam Bikes]

Anyone have a dyno light that you don't want or use or upgraded?  It's for 
an occasionally used bike.

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 52cm Yves Gomez, plus WTB and/or trade

[Pam Bikes]

I think that's a fair price and I'd buy it if it was a 47.  Leah found me 
one in Salt Lake City but I think they wanted $1500 for the frame.

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:48:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Bill referred to pictures and did not post the link.  Here is the link:   
> Yves 
> Gomez | Flickr 
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 2:47:28 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Paul Choi very succinctly asked "Pictures?"  
>>
>> Here are a couple after the build.  It's practically unridden, and 
>> currently serves as a guest bike at my place in Gold Country.  I'll be glad 
>> to take new photos for any interested buyer. 
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> Pictures?
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The Yves Gomez keeps coming up in the context of a forever bike, 
 particularly among those who don't dig long chainstays.  I have a 52cm 
 Yves 
 Gomez, and I'm willing to set up a different bike for that role in the 
 stable.  I'm offering the 52cm Yves Gomez frame/fork/headset for $1000, 
 plus shipping.  

 Old-timers like me remember that the Yves Gomez retailed for $1000 or 
 thereabouts.  Is it fair or reasonable to ask $1000 for a 10-year old 
 frameset that retailed for $1000?  We'll find out, because I'm also 
 offering $1000 plus shipping for a 58cm Yves Gomez frame, fork and 
 headset.  If my price is low, somebody will buy mine.  If my price is 
 high, 
 somebody will sell me one.  The fact is that the functional equivalent is 
 the $1750 Platypus, and a vocal subset of listers claim to prefer the 
 short 
 chainstay models.  

 I'm also totally open to a zero dollar trade: My 52cm Yves Gomez for 
 your 58cm Yves Gomez.   

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Blue or Grey GrabSack

[Pam Bikes]

I have a blue one that I haven't used.

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 7:19:21 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone have a blue or grey grabsack that they're not using? The only 
> ones available at Riv now are olive, which wouldn't be my first choice (I 
> know, I'm being picky).
>
> Cheers,
> Gary
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Back-a-bike bag

[Pam Bikes]

I have the new ones in grey.  They're in stock on the site.  But I'd prefer 
the older ones without the new bungee/hook.  I liked the strap better if 
anyone would like to trade.  Never used.

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 7:19:45 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hello all,
> I'm looking for one in either gray, blue, or olive. Anyone have one lying 
> around? It can be the old style without the bungee/hook.
> Thanks,
> gary 
> gmlmurray (at) Mac (dot) com
>

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