[RBW] Re: Fixed gear dropouts and fenders

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Clayton's all over it with the removable axel bolts. Phil and Paul both 
make such hubs.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

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I imagine the swoop of the top tube matches the golden curve. It is 
beautiful. Let us know how it rides with a load!

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[RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

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Congrats, Joel! Sounds like you're getting it dialed in. I agree with your 
observations on the wheelbase difference being nearly unnoticeable. I ride 
a Quickbeam and a Gus that are on yet more extreme polar ends of the Riv 
spectrum and 1) I only notice the difference on technical trails, with 
extreme climbing or rock dancing where I have to account for the greater 
difference in the turn arcs of Gus; and 2) riding 20 miles frequently, 
1/3rd each paved, dirt road, and technical single track, my time of arrival 
is within a minute of each other time and time again. When I track the 
times by surface, the QB wins the roads, Gus wins the single track, and 
they equally counter each other.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

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Air quality is on topic, effecting rides, as is concern for those effected 
by events. BLM is political and while all people of good will agree that 
Black lives matter, BLM is entirely different.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:24:32 AM UTC-6, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> since i don't mind the consequences, i'm sensing a double standard here. 
> posts from jan re: BLM have nothing to do with this group, but this post 
> about air quality in the bay area does. 
>
> don't get me wrong, i see nothing wrong with either, but you can't use the 
> swift hand of moderation on one claiming it has no place but just let this 
> fly free. or you can, cause this is your google group, but a double 
> standard is a double standard. there isn't even a mention of rivendell 
> bikes here. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 9:36:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:
>
>> All week the smoke from California has made the sun copper and the sky 
>> pastel orange all day. Sending hope and rain your way. From Arizona.
>> Bill Gibson
>> Tempe, Arizona, USA
>> My Photographs  : 
>> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance: 
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>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I cut short a ride yesterday because the air felt smokey and affected my 
>>> sinuses and eyes, even tho' the official particle report was "moderate". 
>>> The air had been smokey for a couple of days with a "warning" in force 
>>> until mid-day yesterday. Today was fine.
>>>
>>> Fire near Santa Fe, and smoke from Phoenix; dammit, Phoenix, keep your 
>>> smoke to yourselves.
>>>
>>> The local "news" reported a local "be ready to evacuate" order, though 
>>> intended only "in general." We're certainly dry, and I live next door to 
>>> the bosque, which they are patrolling by helicopter, but no fire seems 
>>> imminent, thank God. 
>>>
>>> Again, good luck to those in California Warming.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 The air is just miserable here in Novato with an AQI of 155. Yesterday 
 we were getting blowing smoke that made it seem like something was on fire 
 just down the street, but it was the wind from Point Reyes.

 I can't emphasize enough that you guys can't be out in this. I've seen 
 several reports around the onlines of people trying to ride or run and 
 this 
 is just not a good plan, we all need to be inside with windows closed as 
 much as possible. Listen to your pal Joe!

>>> ---
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

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I came up with my daylight visibility strategy from observing redwing 
blackbirds, which I always see easily from afar, whether still or in 
flight, be they in shadow or sunlight or cloudy/dim light. Black body, with 
a surprisingly small patch of red, bordered on one side by yellow. That's 
it. So...

I wear red. But red fades, especially with summer cotton shirts. So I add a 
red bandana around my neck. My socks are red, and that's what my wife says 
she sees first from afar. A safety triangle on the saddle bag. No lights 
except solid front and rear on foggy/stormy days. Combined with "smile and 
wave" and "ride in the right tire track" on anything less than 4' 
shoulders, and the biggest danger is cars passing me in the other lane 
despite oncoming traffic because this strategy works so well.

I've no idea how this translates from the twisty backroads I ride (though 
we have every increasing traffic, especially now, still working a charm) to 
city cycling.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

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Lights won't help these situations, only remaining calm and mindful and not 
entering into the rush that they are. Easier said than done sometimes.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:07 PM UTC-6, Joel wrote:
>
> Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me 
> (going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away.  Really pissed me 
> off.  Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot 
> came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning.  I usually cut 
> through a lot to a quiet area then get on the bike path to a road less 
> travelled in the quiet suburbs where there are 
> no shops.  Will be doing that again.  These drivers are just selfish.  I 
> always look for cyclist to give them right if way,  
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Joel: I'm glad you were not hit, 
>>
>> Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and 
>> while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of 
>> the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow 
>> clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed" 
>> that clothing color didn't. 
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joel > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in 
>>> daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more 
>>> visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

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I too am glad you are safe and sound. I second Eric's wisdom, and add that 
the super bright flashing day headlights that are more common overload my 
bludgeoned brain, and end rides when I've been caught unawares ... not good 
for people with neurological issues, and some of them may be driving 
oncoming cars.

We are in a constantly escalating "safety" war where "science" studies show 
that more sound/light/flash/spin attracts attention so is "safer." Now we 
have regular business trucks and trash trucks flashing lights everywhere 
they go, cyclists, and even some sirens on non-emergency vehicles, all of 
which leads to greater distraction not greater safety. Also, everyone out 
and about has a LOT on their mind right now and is very stressed, 
complicating the assessment equation at every point of interaction.

With abandon,
Patrick


On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:58:14 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Joel:
>
> There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to 
> vehicles, but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more 
> safety in being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing 
> brightly colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’t 
> see you.
>
> If you *do* use lights bright enough to be seen in daylight, I beg you to 
> think twice about using them at night. The new super-bright taillights, 
> when used at night, make it impossible for anyone to ride behind you 
> safely. All the person behind you can see is a bright red glow. 
>
> I’ve ranted about this before, so I won’t go on much longer here. But … 
> please be considerate of anyone behind you—and people coming at you on the 
> bike trail and end up getting blasted by your daylight-bright headlight.
>
> I recommend a taillight like the PDW “Daybot,” which offers a bright 
> daytime option and a less bright (but still bright enough) nighttime 
> setting that also provides longer runtimes (because no taillight will work 
> with dead batteries).
>
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> On Aug 20, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Joel > wrote:
>
> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Next Touring Pedal Bearing Question

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A lot of prepubescent whisky would die in the various failed mounting and 
lid removal attempts. Still, that may be an idea whose time has come! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 7:31:45 AM UTC-6, Ray wrote:
>
> Finessed indeed. Next time see if you can do it with the cap off a bottle 
> of beer
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:03:14 PM UTC-5 Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> I think you've got the truth of it, Benjamin. The dust cover is tight 
>> plus a snug, and the bearings spin freely. The only "adjustment" the dust 
>> cover seems to do is loosening the macro bearing mechanisms so the pedal is 
>> loose.
>>
>> Aye, Ray, I was bemused that I managed to hit a rock to unscrew the dust 
>> cap without bending the grip plates. The aluminum outter threads of the cap 
>> have a few scratches is all. I had no idea I was so finessed a rider. 
>> Sardonic grin, as finesse is a highly relative term when applied to 
>> anything I do.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 12:34:53 PM UTC-6, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> But these use sealed cartridge bearings right?  What is to adjust other 
>>> than holding them and the spindle in place? 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:31 PM Ray  wrote:
>>>
>> That's really interesting. I don't think I've seen that before. If it 
 were me, I think I would treat it just like setting the bearing load in a 
 hub or bottom bracket and just tighten just to the sweet spot of no-play 
 but spins freely.

 On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5 Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Fixed gear single track riding my Quickbeam I managed to loosen the 
> dust cover that doubles to adjust the bearings with a pedal strike on a 
> rock. I snugged it up via an alan wrench and the pedal spins freely and 
> everything seems fine. However, the MKS site says: "The dust seal cap 
> also functions as the bearing adjuster. If you loosen the cap, it may 
> cause 
> play and premature wear." 
> https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/331
>
> Anything more/different I should do?
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: VP 001 rebuild kit

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I found VP's bearings to be disposable, wearing out on my every 14-60 days. 
MKS cone pedals: 6 months. MKS sealed bearing pedals: several pair still 
going several years in. Keep in mind, I'm an ogre.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 8:09:01 PM UTC-6, spencer robinson wrote:
>
> Thank you Paul, that confirms what I suspected
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 9:23:01 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Last time I tried to deal with this, the bike shop told me to pull them 
>> apart and figure out what bearing I needed and they'd order it from wheels 
>> manufacturing.
>>
>> I didn't have the tool to take the bearings out of the 001 (a 4 or 5 mm 
>> punch if I recall), and the rebuild kit cost as much as a new pair of VP 
>> Vice pedals, so now I just have a clicky pedal that I use sometimes for 
>> temporary stuff.
>>
>> That was several years ago. I searched again a couple years ago and 
>> couldn't find the kits at all anymore. Kinda turned me off of VP even 
>> though I do really like their pedals.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 9:33:08 AM UTC-5, spencer robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> My older pair of VP “ThinGripsters brought me home with an annoying 
>>> click the other day. I have determined that it is the drive side pedal as 
>>> the noise is gone when I switch to a fairly new pair of Clem pedals. My 
>>> question to the group is, does anyone know where I can find a rebuild kit? 
>>> I don’t see anything at Rivendell or even Amazon. 
>>> Then I was thinking, maybe just buy a new pair of Clems..might be 
>>> cheaper..
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Next Touring Pedal Bearing Question

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I think you've got the truth of it, Benjamin. The dust cover is tight plus 
a snug, and the bearings spin freely. The only "adjustment" the dust cover 
seems to do is loosening the macro bearing mechanisms so the pedal is loose.

Aye, Ray, I was bemused that I managed to hit a rock to unscrew the dust 
cap without bending the grip plates. The aluminum outter threads of the cap 
have a few scratches is all. I had no idea I was so finessed a rider. 
Sardonic grin, as finesse is a highly relative term when applied to 
anything I do.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 12:34:53 PM UTC-6, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
> But these use sealed cartridge bearings right?  What is to adjust other 
> than holding them and the spindle in place? 
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:31 PM Ray > 
> wrote:
>
>> That's really interesting. I don't think I've seen that before. If it 
>> were me, I think I would treat it just like setting the bearing load in a 
>> hub or bottom bracket and just tighten just to the sweet spot of no-play 
>> but spins freely.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5 Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Fixed gear single track riding my Quickbeam I managed to loosen the dust 
>>> cover that doubles to adjust the bearings with a pedal strike on a rock. I 
>>> snugged it up via an alan wrench and the pedal spins freely and everything 
>>> seems fine. However, the MKS site says: "The dust seal cap also 
>>> functions as the bearing adjuster. If you loosen the cap, it may cause play 
>>> and premature wear." https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/331
>>>
>>> Anything more/different I should do?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
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[RBW] MKS Next Touring Pedal Bearing Question

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Fixed gear single track riding my Quickbeam I managed to loosen the dust cover 
that doubles to adjust the bearings with a pedal strike on a rock. I snugged it 
up via an alan wrench and the pedal spins freely and everything seems fine. 
However, the MKS site says: "The dust seal cap also functions as the bearing 
adjuster. If you loosen the cap, it may cause play and premature wear." 
https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/331

Anything more/different I should do?

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

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I found them brilliant bars for everything I ride except technical single 
track descents, where it put me too far forward/low in braking position. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:19:27 PM UTC-6, Sam Perez wrote:
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> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and 
> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the 
> albatross?

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

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https://news.yahoo.com/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-164059290.html

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:15:47 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
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> I’ve never seen a “peaceful looter” … please enlighten me.
>
> Reparations is a valid topic of political discussion/disagreement, but I 
> think all parties would agree that looting and burning has nothing to do 
> with it.
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> Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called reparation, 
> and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where we go? Sigh. 
> Hail Mary ...
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

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Och, Eric D. Aye, silly. But I did not introduce the divisiveness, the 
original post does, in ascribing "crazy conspiracy theories" to a specific 
vein of political thinking. There is a reason we either avoid the topics 
entirely, but please, don't call my post divisive because I point out the 
divisive already present that people were having silly fun with.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:24:14 PM UTC-6, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> This seems like a needlessly divisive comment in an otherwise silly (even 
> if off topic) thread. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called 
>> reparation, and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where 
>> we go? Sigh. Hail Mary ...
>>
>> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called reparation, 
and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where we go? Sigh. 
Hail Mary ...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

After fiddling for quite a while I've learned the following from this 
experiment:

- metal fenders are a craftsman install. Poorly installed, they are nuts; 
well installed and...
- well installed metal fenders ride beautifully and quiet and solid on 
asphalt and dirt roads and smoother trails.
- metal fenders on a fixed gear bike with horizontal dropouts and changing 
gears and flex when climbing do not play well with all the climbing and 
jouncing.

I'm offering these Honjo fenders for up to 700 x 38 tires for free pick up 
if anyone is local (I'm near Colorado Springs, CO).

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Personal 'Grip of the Gods' variations

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't like cushion or slippery grips, but I do like thicker grips than 
cotton alone. So I've settled for the past few years on a layer of cotton 
with a layer of leather. So far, very happy.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ha! For that level of technical climbing, I use LCG. Lowest common gear. 
The gear every bike comes with. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 1:19:02 PM UTC-6, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> Patrick, I believe you're right, it's a matter of experience. For the 
> first few rides descending fast, rough dirt roads it felt strange and 
> unfamiliar to have the rear end moving around so far behind me. It felt 
> like it was jumping around. Now I don't even notice that, but I do notice 
> the smoothness and tracking from the long wheelbase.
>
> It's the technical climbing that gets me- where you have to trackstand, 
> bounce sideways, thread the needle through some rocks, hop up ledges, and 
> so on. I can't ride that terrain well on any bike, so the wheelbase 
> probably isn't at fault. 
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 1:03 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> "Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you 
>> describe."
>>
>> And a brilliant ride. My experience with Gus is the long wheelbase is 
>> rarely to never a detriment, and always an asset. Smooth, better climbing, 
>> better flow. Experience teaches the taking of slightly different curves in 
>> the technical areas, but generally speaking point the front one where you 
>> want to go and the rear follows smoothly, even if it goes over a bit more. 
>> Need proof? Search YouTube for "downhill tandem MTB" and realize: oh. None 
>> issue. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:44:58 PM UTC-6, S wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
>>>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
>>>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
>>>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread 
>>>> through 
>>>> the granite boulders. 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>>>
>>> Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you 
>>> describe. 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

"Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe."

And a brilliant ride. My experience with Gus is the long wheelbase is 
rarely to never a detriment, and always an asset. Smooth, better climbing, 
better flow. Experience teaches the taking of slightly different curves in 
the technical areas, but generally speaking point the front one where you 
want to go and the rear follows smoothly, even if it goes over a bit more. 
Need proof? Search YouTube for "downhill tandem MTB" and realize: oh. None 
issue. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:44:58 PM UTC-6, S wrote:
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through 
>> the granite boulders. 
>>
>
> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>
> Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar bags similar to Acorn waxed canvas?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Frost River: https://www.frostriver.com/shop/activity/cycling-bike-bags/

Duluth Pack (bags and names may look familiar to previous Grant creations 
because they made them back in the day): 
https://www.duluthpack.com/collections/bike-bags

Note, I find none of these as good and effective at hearty waterproof 
bagging as the current Rivendell offerings. That Scottish fabric is amazing 
stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hot Waxing Chains

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Put on NFS for the first time today. 12 drops on my lng 1x9 Gus's 
chain, in high gear (small cog), back spun 12 times, no wipe. It shifted 
wonderfully smooth. I'll see how long it goes before asking for more and 
how it handles mud and frozen slop; however, so far I'm impressed.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Website is live featuring beautiful bikes & surroundings

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you, Andrew!

Let not your lack of language as your forte bar you from writing if you 
wish nor feel burdened by an imagined need to accompany pixs with prose. 
Your Scootlan' shots took me back there in a heart beat and a wee sip a 
whisky! As to forte, there is no satisfactory pronunciation, according to 
my dictionary ... they're all wrong, for one reason or another. Grin. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-6, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> COVID gave me time to spruce up my website  and 
> it's at a point where I'm comfortable making it public. The majority of it 
> is dedicated to riding and the surroundings I'm lucky enough to see and 
> document, so I figured I'd share it here. 
>
> Enjoy! 
> - Andrew
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for wet fall

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Andrew,

It took me a long time to find and dial in what works for me in those 
conditions, which fall in what I consider the most challenging temp range 
(wet and cold). Get it wrong, and if you stop (intentionally or for a flat) 
while still in the elements, hypothermia can set in fast. Now that I have 
it dialed in, it's incredibly satisfying to hang out on an autumn rainy day 
in an aspen glen I rode to and be warm and toasty the whole time vs "can't 
stop, gotta stay warm!" Grin.

Options to try and learn:

- Add a warmer hat. The 2-ply boiled wool is perfect for those conditions.
- Make sure your shoes/boots are upsized for thicker socks. Diminished 
circulation from constriction is not fun. Generally one size up will cover 
it.
- Boiled wool with sandals. I tested this and it works well for me down to 
about 25˚F. That's with the 3+ply over the knee socks. Just let 'um get wet 
and ride.
- quality thin, supple leather, upsized to accommodate the sock, such as 
the Ra II mentioned earlier.
- A duck boot/shoe, like from LL Bean. Unlined, so you can change socks 
when they take a while to dry.
- A gator to just under your knee to keep the splash out. I use a double 
ventile gator and it's fantastic.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 11:24:06 PM UTC-6, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> I'll look into some water shoes. With boiled wool socks, even walking 
> through water, my feet will stay warm albeit wet. 
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 11:35:30 PM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>
>> That tricky. because the temperature range is still quite cool. Just 
>> above freezing the still freezing, if it's wet and it's windy or you are 
>> moving through the air, due to evaporative cooling. Up to about 45 to 50 
>> degrees it would still be imperative to keep your feet dry! On up to at 
>> least 65 I'd prefer to stay dry. To that end I am not sure what to say? 
>> Probably some sort of shoe cover?
>> I have a pair of water shoes that I wear when it's not quite sandle 
>> weather.
>
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for wet fall

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry, I meant to ask also, what temps you're talking about? I find the 
trickiest weather to ride, rest, and then ride again in is wet and 25 to 
55. Below that, and staying dry is easy, above that and staying warm is 
easy, even when wet. If you haven't tried fish net long johns for this temp 
range, they really make it easy. Brynje is the best I've found. Depending 
on conditions I'll layer up to: fish net top, cotton flannel shirt, 
Hilltrek ventile jacket (well, cotton analogy). If I'm stopped, I'll add a 
boiled wool sweater to that if needed, under or instead of the ventile.

This ride was wet and likely 20-25˚F. 
https://deaconpatrick.org/june-snow-callooh-callay. Even though I sweat 
riding up, the mid-weight boiled wool sweater breaths perfectly and sheds 
the snow from tree branches and sky, then keeps my warm while I sit for a 
pipe and coffee, all with the fishnet as a base layer on top. For winter, I 
have the heavier boiled wool sweater.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for wet fall

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Boiled wool socks, at which point nearly any shoe you like will work great. 
I like Vivo barefoot's Ra II. I ride with a leather sole as an insert to 
emulate a stiffer soled cycling shoe. I recommend Dachstein boiled wool. 
Here are their socks: 
https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear-boiled-wool-sweaters-mitts-socks-caps-gloves/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-6, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> *TL;DR: Looking for a shoe that'll last a long time during the rainy 
> seasons or when water in your shoes is inevitable. *
>
> My rides usually include a couple creek crossings and come the rainy 
> seasons, I'm guaranteed to get wet feet. 
>
> Summer's covered with bedrock sandals. Winter's covered in that I avoid 
> getting wet on top of cold at all cost. But does anyone have any 
> recommendations for spring/fall wet-condition riding shoes? 
>
> I usually ride sambas but man does water quickly wreck them...not to 
> mention the god-awful squishy feeling when water's down in there that 
> simply doesn't go away. Other thoughts are some sort of camp moc. Might 
> still be squishy but my hunch is the leather will last a lot longer than 
> typical synthetic shoe materials. Or heck are water shoes a thing among 
> cyclists? 
>
> Happy to hear any recommendations, and if it's simply a 'deal with it' 
> situation, that's fine too. 
>
> - Andrew
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

H. I need to slide the "sliding bracket" (like this one, but a Wald the 
shop used: 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/honjo-sliding-bracket/) 
to increase clearance at the seat stay bridge. Anything I need to know? I 
plan on using a flat head screwdriver to loosen the clamps, adjust the 
fender, then re-clamp with pliers.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

"Parallel to the face of the dropout" -- Yes! A much clearly way to put it. 
Thank you, Anton!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 5:05:00 PM UTC-6, somervillebikes wrote:
>
> Deacon,
>
> When you say 'try bowing out', I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean 
> bending the stay so that it is parallel to the face of the dropout? This is 
> essential for proper stay attachment, it reduces all sorts of stress along 
> the stay and at the fender.
>
> I did a four-part blog series on metal fender installation. It's a long 
> read, but if you wanted to skip most of it you could just take a look at 
> part IV, installing the stays.
>
>
> https://somervillebikes.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/how-to-install-metal-fenders-part-i-achieving-a-proper-arc-radius/
>
> Anton
> velolumino.com
>
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:30:25 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I'm puzzling out how to eliminate rattle in the front fender. All 
>> fittings are tight. It occurs on jouncy bits, as well as when I take a hand 
>> off (to wave, usually). It seems to be lateral motion causing the rear 
>> portion of the fender to waggle, briefly rub the tire, and vibrate. Ideas?
>>
>> The best I've come up with is to try bowing the rear stays, taking up 
>> some of the extra slack from the mount point if needed.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>> (Stumping picture provided for your amusement)
>>
>> [image: IMG_1705.jpeg]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

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When your wheel becomes a rudder, Ryan, you know you're in deep! Looks like 
fun adventure, and we could use some of that rain if you have any left! 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

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Thank you, Steve.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 8:04:14 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Fender failure from stress.
> On 7/11/20 9:33 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Understood, Steve. Thank you for the reminder. I'd presumed I might need 
> to also adjust the stays. When you say "deadly wrong way," are you talking 
> fender failure, or something else? 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>> Just be careful of one thing.  DO NOT attempt to adjust fender line by 
>> pulling on the fender struts.
>>
>> Yes, that's how you do it with plastic fenders.  Doing it with aluminum 
>> fenders is the kiss of death.  
>>
>> You adjust the fender line (i.e., the arc of the fender and how its curve 
>> matches up with the curve of the wheel) by spreading out or squeezing 
>> together the edges of the fender.  Pulling the edges out decreases the 
>> radius of the curve of the fender, while squeezing the edges together 
>> increases the radius.
>>
>> I'm sure I'm belaboring what you've been told before, but there's a 
>> reason.   The right way with the plastic fenders most of us are most used 
>> to is the deadly wrong way with aluminum fenders.
>>
>> As for "pilfering" ideas -- that's why they're put out there, so we can 
>> learn from them.   There's no :theft" here; not even "folk process."
>>
>>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Understood, Steve. Thank you for the reminder. I'd presumed I might need to 
also adjust the stays. When you say "deadly wrong way," are you talking 
fender failure, or something else?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Just be careful of one thing.  DO NOT attempt to adjust fender line by 
> pulling on the fender struts.
>
> Yes, that's how you do it with plastic fenders.  Doing it with aluminum 
> fenders is the kiss of death.  
>
> You adjust the fender line (i.e., the arc of the fender and how its curve 
> matches up with the curve of the wheel) by spreading out or squeezing 
> together the edges of the fender.  Pulling the edges out decreases the 
> radius of the curve of the fender, while squeezing the edges together 
> increases the radius.
>
> I'm sure I'm belaboring what you've been told before, but there's a 
> reason.   The right way with the plastic fenders most of us are most used 
> to is the deadly wrong way with aluminum fenders.
>
> As for "pilfering" ideas -- that's why they're put out there, so we can 
> learn from them.   There's no :theft" here; not even "folk process."
> On 7/11/20 6:35 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Thanks, Steve. I pilfered the front strut from something I saw on Jan's 
> site. Used a theology book (they are all beefy) to bend it uniformly. Grin. 
> I think Ye Ol' Shoppe left the rear fender out as far as the struts allow, 
> also, it's in low gear, so wheel forward, which exaggerates the look vs. 
> high gear. This gives good clearence for tire in out. I may play with 
> bringing it in a bit. Good eye on the strut length of the front fender 
> stays. I may cut them or leave them, but want to be able to adjust them as 
> needed for a while. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick  
>
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:57:42 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>> I like what you've done with the front extra support strut.  I kind of 
>> wonder about the rear fender line -- that's a lot of space behind the wheel 
>> -- but you may need that to be able to remove the wheel, I don't know.  But 
>> those fenders sure do look nice on that silver QB.  Looking at the photo 
>> under magnification I can see you could cut the struts a lot shorter: 
>> there's a lot of extra material ahead of the R clips; they don't need to 
>> extend beyond the ends of the clips.
>> On 7/11/20 5:09 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>> Here's how it looks: 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1674.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Here's how it rides:
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1671.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Steve. I pilfered the front strut from something I saw on Jan's 
site. Used a theology book (they are all beefy) to bend it uniformly. Grin. 
I think Ye Ol' Shoppe left the rear fender out as far as the struts allow, 
also, it's in low gear, so wheel forward, which exaggerates the look vs. 
high gear. This gives good clearence for tire in out. I may play with 
bringing it in a bit. Good eye on the strut length of the front fender 
stays. I may cut them or leave them, but want to be able to adjust them as 
needed for a while.

With abandon,
Patrick  

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:57:42 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I like what you've done with the front extra support strut.  I kind of 
> wonder about the rear fender line -- that's a lot of space behind the wheel 
> -- but you may need that to be able to remove the wheel, I don't know.  But 
> those fenders sure do look nice on that silver QB.  Looking at the photo 
> under magnification I can see you could cut the struts a lot shorter: 
> there's a lot of extra material ahead of the R clips; they don't need to 
> extend beyond the ends of the clips.
> On 7/11/20 5:09 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Here's how it looks: 
>
> [image: IMG_1674.jpeg]
>
>
> Here's how it rides:
>
>
> [image: IMG_1671.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ahhh! The clock is a better way to describe it. You are correct, Jason, the 
fender goes forward to 1:30, so a bit back from the 2:00 window you 
describe. It does need the stay on there, especially given the terrain I 
ride. Yes, I have a flap for the rear I'll be adding (they put the flap on 
the rear rather than the front as requested.) Thank you, Jason!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 1:45:34 PM UTC-6, J L wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> First off, great to hear that they did a good job. I’m sure others will 
> have suggestions here. Without seeing the bike it is hard to say. My 
> intuition tells me it is in the right place to - 
>
> A: ward off spray coming off the top of the wheel. There can still be 
> significant material leaving the wheel between 12 and 2 oclock, as well as 
> traveling up the inside of the fender. Add in forward momentum and both can 
> and up hitting the rider. 
>
> and 
>
> B: prevent the fender from catching on curbs, rocks, roots, etc when the 
> front wheel drops down past them. 
>
> Your fender may, or may not need the additional stay in the front, or 
> attachment to a rack if you use one. 
>
> You might consider adding a long flexible mudflap onto the bottom of the 
> fender if you desire more coverage there. A flexible flap would not undo 
> the work of A or B.
>
> Best of luck!
> Jason
>
> On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:31 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
> H. My wife just picked up my now fendered Quickbeam. It looks great, 
> except they installed the front fender so it sticks out in the front about 
> 5" too far forward. I have the additional stay to add myself. Will this be 
> adiquate? Or do I need to rotate the fender back, to increase coverage 
> lower in the back of the front wheel and minimize the jounce on the front?
>
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

H. My wife just picked up my now fendered Quickbeam. It looks great, 
except they installed the front fender so it sticks out in the front about 
5" too far forward. I have the additional stay to add myself. Will this be 
adiquate? Or do I need to rotate the fender back, to increase coverage 
lower in the back of the front wheel and minimize the jounce on the front?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

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I found cork grips to be a lovely idea that I could never get right, as 
others point out. To be fully functional, they need to be bare, but bare 
they go grungy. I ended up using raw cotton tape and changing it every year 
or so. Even grungy, it grips and feels good. A bit over a year ago, I 
switched to wrapping with leather and really like that best of all.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Day Ride Kit

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"Ultra Urban Honkies might think you take a weapon to protect yourself 
against all the animals in the backcountry..."

This, Craig! This. They also wear bells, put bells on their dogs, bring 
toilet paper and leave it after use, and hang their colorfully bagged dog 
poo on trees for the kindly elves to take each night on their trail clean 
up rounds. You get a whole other level of danger though, with your 
Deliverance encounters. Yikes.

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Re: [RBW] Day Ride Kit

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Oh, I ride out of my wee town and through another five miles away before I 
get to the trails. The hatchet is only intended for wood, but available for 
alternate needs should an educational opportunity presents itself. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 3:16:53 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I'm surprised: judging from your photos, I'm surprised you encounter any 
> people at all on your rides.  Or is the hatchet not meant for people?
> On 7/5/20 5:07 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> I've had and witnessed enough odd encounters since people have busted out 
> from quarantine that I've added my GB wee hatchet to my daily kit. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 2:38:01 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote: 
>>
>> What is the pistol for? Are the bike paths particularly unfriendly there?
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:11 AM, Craig Montgomery  wrote:
>>
>> This time of year in southern AZ. 20-40 mile rides pavement and/or dirt. 
>> Same stuff. Just change bikes.  
>>
>> Sunscreen/zinc oxide for nose/top of ears
>> Phone (per orders of my wife, not me)
>> Camera: Panasonic Lumix
>> iPOD with 900 tunes if in an urban setting
>> Battery powered back up lights front and rear to supplement IQ Cyo
>>
>> Water: soda water/cranberry mix, approx. a pint and a half for every 10 
>> miles
>> Mini-First Aid
>> Under 40 miles no food (a friend carries mustard packs for the salt)
>> Appropriate drugs
>> Appropriate clothes: long sleeve cotton, MUSA shorts with boxer briefs, 
>> wide brimmed hat, gloves, raincape if monsoons
>> Shades with rear view mirror
>>
>> Tools: open ends, allens, chain tool with spoke wrench, fibre fix 
>> (actually used it once), headset/pedal wrench, crank wrench, Leatherman, 60 
>> year old Sturmey Archer axle wrench.
>> Frame pump, tube, patch kit, tire irons
>> Pocket pistol (.22 mag)
>>
>> Craig in Tucson
>>
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Re: [RBW] Day Ride Kit

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've had and witnessed enough odd encounters since people have busted out 
from quarantine that I've added my GB wee hatchet to my daily kit.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 2:38:01 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> What is the pistol for? Are the bike paths particularly unfriendly there?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:11 AM, Craig Montgomery  > wrote:
>
> This time of year in southern AZ. 20-40 mile rides pavement and/or dirt. 
> Same stuff. Just change bikes. 
>
> Sunscreen/zinc oxide for nose/top of ears
> Phone (per orders of my wife, not me)
> Camera: Panasonic Lumix
> iPOD with 900 tunes if in an urban setting
> Battery powered back up lights front and rear to supplement IQ Cyo
>
> Water: soda water/cranberry mix, approx. a pint and a half for every 10 
> miles
> Mini-First Aid
> Under 40 miles no food (a friend carries mustard packs for the salt)
> Appropriate drugs
> Appropriate clothes: long sleeve cotton, MUSA shorts with boxer briefs, 
> wide brimmed hat, gloves, raincape if monsoons
> Shades with rear view mirror
>
> Tools: open ends, allens, chain tool with spoke wrench, fibre fix 
> (actually used it once), headset/pedal wrench, crank wrench, Leatherman, 60 
> year old Sturmey Archer axle wrench.
> Frame pump, tube, patch kit, tire irons
> Pocket pistol (.22 mag)
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:05:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?
>>
>> - coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
>> - pipe and tobacco kit
>> - ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
>> - fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight 
>> insulated shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing 
>> and takes minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95% 
>> of days, but the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I 
>> haul wool...)
>> - (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it 
>> snows anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail 
>> for an hour or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
>> - Sitting tarp
>> - Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
>> - Buck 110 knife
>> - Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality 
>> mechanical keyboard)
>> - Camera, tripod, etc.
>> - Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
>> - Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to 
>> start one. Grin.)
>> - compass
>> - rosary
>> -pen knife
>> - water pen light purifier
>> - no food. I prefer to ride fasted
>>
>> Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of 
>> weather. With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go 
>> prepared to emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up, 
>> but it's likely 2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up 
>> weight. Add tent, bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for 
>> forever. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> www.DeaconPatrick.org 
>> www.CatholicHalos.org 
>> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org 
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[RBW] Re: Thankyou

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Brendon! I reiterate the joy of others that you are fine and your bike 
may be too. A few thoughts:

1. How in the world did you see that in the field? I'd have totally missed 
it. Of course I'm not the most observant person and have missed really 
obvious things for days being a knucklehead.

2. Australian fauna and flora are on a whole different level when it comes 
to both passive and active dangers they present. Makes my territory 
positively wimpy. Even our tree branches don't try hard to kill or maim, 
just breaking easily. Wimps.

Keep riding with abandon!

With abandon
Patrick  

On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 7:31:42 PM UTC-6, brendonoid wrote:
>
> I agree that steel is the best frame material and I will most likely be 
> riding this bike again with a new fork. I tend to get emotional about my 
> bikes and overreact especially about my rivendells but just wanted to 
> reiterate a few bullet points:
> - My fenders did not have safety clip thingos
> - I had the nitto Big Front Rack equipped which was basically a tubular 
> space frame reinforcement preventing the fork from bending as designed.
> - The trail I was on was absolutely littered with sticks branches and bark 
> and I had ridden the entirety of the the previous day on the same terrain 
> with no issues. There was no line to pick that would avoid this stuff. Wish 
> I had a photo. Karri trees drop a LOT of litter.
> Thanks again folks for the advice, encouragement and commiserations, I'm 
> much more or a lurker than a poster and have enjoyed reading the content on 
> this forum for many years.
> Cheers to all,
> Brendon M.
> PS oh I actually have a bad photo of my bike the day before I crashed it. 
> Can't make out much of the bike from this angle but the bags 'backwards' on 
> the front to clear the Neo Retro Cantis. The [image: 
> Appaloosadaybefore.jpg]Smart Sams, whilst perfect for the pea gravel, 
> would also have been a contributing factor as the tread can be very grabby. 
> The bags are very lightly packed with hiking gear and I don't think the 
> weight was a significant contributor.
> On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 at 17:23:00 UTC+8 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I just wanted to let everyone know the obviously stupid thing 
>> that I did even though I knew it was stupid has ruined my bike. Maybe this 
>> will help others as a warning or something... ?
>> I've been running some cheap plastic fenders SOMA somethingorothers that 
>> did not have those plastic easy break stay connecters that most common 
>> sense fenders have. I knew this was a hazard but had ridden many 1000s of 
>> kilometres on them and had just sort of forgotten about it. 
>> It gets worse; I attached my Nitto Big Front rack (34f)? to do an 
>> overnighter on a nice trail while i was on holiday squeezing the adventure 
>> inbetween some bad weather and storms. On the second day, 80kms from the 
>> next town as I crested the hill...through a lot of debris and broken 
>> branches... doing ~15kmh (not exceeding 20kmh) my bike suddenly came to a 
>> stop. Just a firm enough stop to lift the back end up a little bit and make 
>> me have to put my feet down suddenly.
>> The fender stays had lodged themselves into the fork along with the thick 
>> piece of bark that had caused the accident.
>> "No worries! these cheap fenders finally failed!" I thought, "my stupid 
>> fault. Oh well, lucky I was going slow!' 
>> As I disentangled the mess, removing the front wheel, "Oh no, the fork is 
>> bent" I realised. "It's okay, the wheel isn't hitting the downtube I can 
>> still ride out of here... why has the head badged popped out funny though?"
>> Oh, the headtube is shaped like a banana...
>> Welp.
>> I could have been doing 40km/h down hill and i could have died as well as 
>> killing my bike. This is what I am trying to commisserate myself with. It 
>> barely helps.
>> I live in Western Australia. There are no local frame builders I know of 
>> or would trust to try and repair this frame. Shipping the bike back to 
>> Rivendell is going to be an expensive excercise and in these COVID times 
>> I'm not sure they can do anything anyway. I really just don't know what I 
>> am going to do.
>> The accident was so minor and I have bent forks before. The problem here 
>> and the reason it has been so catastrophic is because the Big Strong Nitto 
>> rack reinforced the fork removing tis failure mode of being able to bend, 
>> that force was translated into the headtube as the fork actually bent where 
>> the steerer is welded into the crown lug translating that force into the 
>> headtube.
>> I can post pictures if anyone is interested. The frame is weirdly 
>> straight and I cannot find any distortion in the maintubes despite the 
>> obvious bend in the head tube. The headset cups are only out of alignment 
>> to the point that a sealed bearing headset can absorb the variance and 
>> seemingly work ok. 
>> The bend has to have gone somewhere though and I'm not sure that if I got 

Re: [RBW] Break-away Fender Safety Options

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The "safety" tabs on my SKS plastic fenders worked loose (eventually, 
often) from rough roads/trails, which caused me far greater safety concern 
than the sticks that never went jamming in. Though with the brittle pine 
around here, the sticks easily snap, so a green or hearty wood might well 
have jammed when these broke.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 4:13:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's useful information; thanks. But does anyone know of options for 
> 6.5MM stays? -- the diameter of those on my Kelpies?
>
> I know that Jan pooh poohs the danger of jamming with properly set up 
> metal fenders, even off road, but if I can find a workable QR option, I'd 
> very probably use it.
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:07 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Looking into the options for metal fender break away safety, I find:
>>
>> Rene Herse comes with Honjo R Clamps. Some reports are these can break 
>> away? Thoughts on that?  
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/honjo-r-clamp/
>>
>> Rene Herse also offers these, which are designed to break away: 
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/berthoud-r-clamps/
>>
>> The only other option I find is PDWs:
>>
>> https://ridepdw.com/collections/custom-fender-fit-collection/products/full-metal-fenders-safety-tabs?variant=31598022950969
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Break-away Fender Safety Options

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looking into the options for metal fender break away safety, I find:

Rene Herse comes with Honjo R Clamps. Some reports are these can break away? 
Thoughts on that?  
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/honjo-r-clamp/

Rene Herse also offers these, which are designed to break away: 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/berthoud-r-clamps/

The only other option I find is PDWs:
https://ridepdw.com/collections/custom-fender-fit-collection/products/full-metal-fenders-safety-tabs?variant=31598022950969

Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Day Ride Kit

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Mat, Och! Nae. That would be like wearing a thin down jacket. The idea of 
the fishnet is the same as any insulation: pockets of air that warm and 
stay put. The difference is the fish net is easily ventilated for aerobic 
activity and changing conditions. I put it on generally in the dry low 
40's, or wet upper 50's. It makes my chambray summer shirt warmer than a 
wool flannel.

George, Och! Nae. Round these parts, there is always a stick for digging 
the 6" hole, and dry grass, pinecones, sticks, or even rocks (leaves are 
too loose/small to use easily). Generally not needed on a day ride though, 
at least for me.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Riding on borrowed time? Or, thank you Kenda tubes, for your elasticity.

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Inflating a tube outside a tire, it doesn't take much pressure before it is 
larger than the tire and it is not close to failure. Not luck, and not 
Kenda tube specific, but tubes in general do that, even Kenda. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

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Mat: "A general rule of thumb when doing first time projects is to estimate 
how long you think that project will take, then multiply it by at least 
four (I often make facetious comments, but this one is no joke or 
exaggeration!).  Slowing down, not rushing, I am better able to find joy in 
tasks that otherwise aggravate me immensely..."

Yes, Mat! I poorly strive to enter this disciplined contemplative action by 
remembering to work in Saint Joseph's workshop. He is stunningly good at 
transforming odd, raw material in to stunning works. I'm certainly raw 
material! Grin. I have learned much from the wisdom of learning how to 
listen to the inanimate, which are very good at letting me what they need 
though I am as yet a poor listener.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 7:57:27 AM UTC-6, Mat Grewe wrote:
>
> For future reference, if you do decide to drill & install your own 
> fenders.  Aluminum drilling is super easy.  I just use regular drill bits, 
> no need for lubrication, and put a piece of wood underneath to help 
> minimize burrs on the back side.  A file can help to clean it up, but isn't 
> strictly necessary—if you don't have one—when using wood on the back side 
> when drilling.  I like to drill from the inside of the fender out, so any 
> burrs that might happen are biting into the leather washer.
>
> The most time consuming part is measuring thrice and drilling once.  And 
> to reiterate Steve's point above, only drill one hole at a time, mount, 
> then measure the next hole.
>
> Unlike JohnS, I quite enjoy mounting fenders.  Very time consuming, even 
> Weigle stated that in his BQ article.  But if you go into it planning for 
> 15 hours of total work, which includes set up and clean up time (might not 
> need it, but first time can take a while), you will be less likely to get 
> frustrated during the process.  If I recall, you do some woodworking, and 
> the real "skill" carries over from that, which is having experience working 
> with your hands in a calm, slow, and deliberate manner.
>
> A general rule of thumb when doing first time projects is to estimate how 
> long you think that project will take, then multiply it by at least four (I 
> often make facetious comments, but this one is no joke or exaggeration!).  
> Slowing down, not rushing, I am better able to find joy in tasks that 
> otherwise aggravate me immensely...
>
> Mat
> Driftless Wisconsin
>
>
> On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-5, Mat Grewe wrote:
>>
>> If you still have a rear rack on that bike, consider securing the fender 
>> to the rack instead of using stays.  When riding off trail, rack legs won't 
>> collapse if a stick gets caught in the spokes.  Here is a pretty awful 
>> picture, but you get the gist (I can borrow a real camera if a better 
>> picture would help).
>>
>> Mat
>> Driftless Wisconsin
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:47:09 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Fenders arrived today and a bike shop (one of two I'd be willing to 
>>> trust to this, and that's with a lot of hope and prayer involved), said 
>>> they could squeeze in the fender instal over the next few days, otherwise 
>>> it'd be a month or more. They understood "fenderline" and "pinch or widen 
>>> to adjust it" and "position and drill one hole at a time" ... so here's to 
>>> it going well! Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: trigger type shifters on a bosco

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JS,

My proto GBW came with trigger shifter Shimano 1x11 with 58 Boscos and the 
setup worked as well as the kludgy shifter could work. I also used it on 
wavy and Jones bars. I shifted (pun intended, gran!) to Box 2 1x9 
cassette, derailure and Riv's Silver Shifter 2 and am much happier, and 
would be on Boscos instead of Wavy if I hod those on there. Why? I much 
prefer friction shifting, and the Silver 2 is a delight and plays perfectly 
with the 9x, which has a heartier chain and better gear ratios for the 
riding I do. Far more flexibility in how to set up the shifter too.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 6:10:55 PM UTC-6, J Schwartz wrote:
>
> Greetings 
> I'm considering putting a microshift 1x group on my Clem which has 52cm 
> alu Bosco bars.  The shifter is a rapid-fire type of trigger shifter.
> Looking at the bars and the angle that they come back, it visually seems 
> like that may be pretty uncomfortable to shift.  I think all these types of 
> shifters are generally used on more flattish bars.
> Anyway, is anyone using this type of shifter on a 52cm Bosco?
> thanks 
> JS
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

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Fenders arrived today and a bike shop (one of two I'd be willing to trust 
to this, and that's with a lot of hope and prayer involved), said they 
could squeeze in the fender instal over the next few days, otherwise it'd 
be a month or more. They understood "fenderline" and "pinch or widen to 
adjust it" and "position and drill one hole at a time" ... so here's to it 
going well! Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

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Agreed. When it comes to Groups, Google has lost the plot.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:06:35 PM UTC-6, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> i am thinking newer may not be better. you?
>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

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Och, Andy! I am sorry for the need for respite from trouble/ing and 
thankful these are a wee smackeral of som'at fortifying. May the healing 
balm of peace beyond understanding be upon you and yours.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:59:20 PM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Patrick, your pictures and places are a great respite to me from troubles 
> and the troubling. I feel like I am a bit stronger in my tasks by the 
> images from your efforts.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

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Oops. Here's the link to their dizzying array of smocks:

https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Andrew, I love my jacket! Breathable cotton ventile with a cotton analogy 
> lining that pushes moisture, vapor and liquid, out via capilary action, 
> same as fur on an animal does. It is by Hilltrek in Scotland. This is the 
> exact one: https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/foinaven-smock/
>
> They offer other smocks (anoraks). Double ventile (DV) is just as 
> waterproof as the cotton analogy, but doesn't remove moisture as actively. 
> THey also have hybrids (double at shoulders, maybe sleeves?), or single 
> (good for a 20 minute light shower, lighter weight)
>
> They aren't cheep, but they are also the last jackets I'll buy. To me, 
> anything else I've tried has been a waste of money.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>> I’m truly envious of the high country. Curious what jacket it is you 
>> have? I’m seeking an anorak style for riding as well. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

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Andrew, I love my jacket! Breathable cotton ventile with a cotton analogy 
lining that pushes moisture, vapor and liquid, out via capilary action, 
same as fur on an animal does. It is by Hilltrek in Scotland. This is the 
exact one: https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/foinaven-smock/

They offer other smocks (anoraks). Double ventile (DV) is just as 
waterproof as the cotton analogy, but doesn't remove moisture as actively. 
THey also have hybrids (double at shoulders, maybe sleeves?), or single 
(good for a 20 minute light shower, lighter weight)

They aren't cheep, but they are also the last jackets I'll buy. To me, 
anything else I've tried has been a waste of money.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> I’m truly envious of the high country. Curious what jacket it is you have? 
> I’m seeking an anorak style for riding as well. 

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Sweet spot to ride to, Jason! I love when clouds and mountains play and 
make me wonder what I should be wearing. Grin. Have you turned your wee 
beastie to any trail riding in those hills? If so, how does it do? I've 
been amazed how I can ride all terrains, with a bit more caution and LCG 
(lowest common gear, hike a bike) my Quickbeam can do with 38mm tires.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:40:26 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_20200621_132354.jpg]
>
> Rode out to this lake (to the right) which is a ways inland from where I 
> started.  110km round trip, but only 500m elevation gain thankfully! 
> On Sunday, 21 June 2020 at 07:47:09 UTC-7 Carl wrote:
>
>> Heading up Elk Mountain outside of Asheville NC.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do many of us feel compelled to share pics from our rides?
>>>
>>> From my perspective a good bike ride is just so enjoyable on a variety 
>>> of levels I just want to share it. 
>>>
>>> Some things that come to mind are that a good ride can be:
>>> therapeutic, de-stressing, 
>>> good exercise, renewing,
>>> peaceful, recharging of the batteries,
>>> inspiring, and restorative. 
>>> (Ok, some of these mean the same thing.)
>>>
>>> I'm sure many of you are of a similar mind and have insights and pics to 
>>> share of what a good ride does for you and you don't want to keep it to 
>>> yourself but share it.
>>>
>>> It's not like we haven't already been doing this over the years already 
>>> but I didn't have a specific thread to go to on the Riv list so I just 
>>> started this one.
>>>
>>> I built this bike frame up for a friend the last few days and decided to 
>>> go on a 10 mile shake down ride to check it over.
>>>
>>> Please share your pics and perspectives.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>> [image: Image]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

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Thanks, lads! Doug, my tires are tubed 2.8" Nobby Niks (pretty supple). I 
inflate the rear to 20 lbs and ride till it needs more.

With abandon,
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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

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In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm to 
wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.

https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides

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Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Organized Rides 2020

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There's always the virtual thing. Here is one example, doing the Comino de 
Santiago pilgrimage: https://www.theconqueror.events/camino/

The full list that company offers is here: https://www.theconqueror.events/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My RBA (SFRandonneurs) sent us an email asking what our opinions are for 
> rides moving forward, suggesting there may be arrangements.  I responded 
> indicating I'd be game to do Adventure Series 200s, as they usually have 
> very few starters (<30) and that I enjoy doing those mixed terrain events 
> solo.  Since I finish in the middle of the pack I figure I can still rescue 
> a fast rider if needed, and can be rescued by a slow rider if I need it.  I 
> hate pacelines, so I would not mind a 'social distance' brevet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 11:02:58 AM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> From what I am able to find out by surfing around on the Web, most all 
>> organized rides - call 'em Centuries, Brevets, whatever you like - have 
>> been or are being postponed until next year.  This includes some regional 
>> favorites later in the Fall such as the Hilly Hundred in Southern Indiana. 
>>  Any of you out there in various states around the country finding any that 
>> are NOT cancelled?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brown v. Black

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I'm gonna need a picture of it in use before I give my opinion. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 3:00:15 PM UTC-6, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> I'm considering swapping my existing brown Brooks saddle and grips for a 
> black set. I made a layered Photoshop file so I could review the colors on 
> the bike.
>
>
> Just curious, what you folks think.
>
>
> [image: bike_existing.jpg]
>
> [image: bike_black.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Fire Season Smoke Ridin' Tips

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Who's got tips for riding in the smoke of fires, far enough away there is 
minimal particulate (so not slicing up lungs), but still significant smoke? 
Mine:

- Shift down 1-2 or more gears and breath no harder than if you were walking. 
Except when the mountain won't let you, then you have to decide.

- Nose breath exclusively.

- I've tried a mask and it only help if having to ride where the fire is close 
enough for particulates to be prevelant.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Day Ride Kit

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What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?

- coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
- pipe and tobacco kit
- ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
- fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight insulated 
shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing and takes 
minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95% of days, but 
the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I haul wool...)
- (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it snows 
anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail for an hour 
or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
- Sitting tarp
- Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
- Buck 110 knife
- Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality mechanical 
keyboard)
- Camera, tripod, etc.
- Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
- Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to start 
one. Grin.)
- compass
- rosary
-pen knife
- water pen light purifier
- no food. I prefer to ride fasted

Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of weather. 
With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go prepared to 
emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up, but it's likely 
2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up weight. Add tent, 
bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for forever. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Amazing how those MUPS can have a secluded feel to them!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:47:57 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Rode into work today to check on something, 42 km round trip for 15 
> minutes in the office - worth it!!! I live in the city and work in a fairly 
> busy industrial suburb of town, but amazingly, I am able to string together 
> a series of quite bucolic green spaces that make it look like I live in the 
> countryside :) 
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[RBW] Day Ride Kit

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What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?

- coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
- pipe and tobacco kit
- ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
- fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight insulated 
shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing and takes 
minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95% of days, but 
the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I haul wool...)
- (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it snows 
anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail for an hour 
or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
- Sitting tarp
- Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
- Buck 110 knife
- Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality mechanical 
keyboard)
- Camera, tripod, etc.
- Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
- Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to start 
one. Grin.)
- compass
- rosary
-pen knife
- water pen light purifier
- no food. I prefer to ride fasted

Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of weather. 
With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go prepared to 
emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up, but it's likely 
2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up weight. Add tent, 
bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for forever. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

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What does my signature, with abandon, tell you?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 9:05:45 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> I would never claim there's a singular correct view on how to fix the 
> problem, but I will certainly maintain there's only one correct answer to 
> whether there is a problem that needs fixing. A common theme in my world 
> view is that diversity is a positive thing, and that goes for opinions too. 
> However, a lot of so-called opinions are simply incorrect understandings of 
> reality, when ignorance stands in the way of learning. 
>
> I bet we have extremely different views in general (I know this, from your 
> signature) but I take no issue with that at all, in fact I appreciate it, 
> as long as those views aren't causing unnecessary pain or suffering. That's 
> when I would have to disagree. 
>
> In the case of police brutality, the opinion that matters to me is of 
> those affected by it; many of us aren't (myself included) and therefore I 
> don't consider myself to have any say in the matter, except to echo and 
> amplify the experiences and opinions of those who do. 
>
>
> On Monday, 15 June 2020 19:52:12 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Jason, if "these kinds of issues" aren't political, but are just about 
>> being a decent human being, are you saying there is one, singular way to be 
>> a decent human being and zero room for disagreement about how we go about 
>> upholding human dignity, be it protesting, rioting, looting, burning, 
>> voting, praying, learning, reasoning, competing, purchasing, building ... 
>> et al?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

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Jason, if "these kinds of issues" aren't political, but are just about 
being a decent human being, are you saying there is one, singular way to be 
a decent human being and zero room for disagreement about how we go about 
upholding human dignity, be it protesting, rioting, looting, burning, 
voting, praying, learning, reasoning, competing, purchasing, building ... 
et al?

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

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Hey Paul. Aye, at least my prototype has a threadless headset, which I 
think remains true of the production frame. My saddle is a Berthoud. I live 
on Pikes Peak.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:22:42 AM UTC-6, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Patrick,
>
> Bike and photos looks amazing. 
>
> Gus has a Threadless headset? What hard piece of wood saddle do you have 
> on there?
>
> And where are you anyway? Looks beautiful.
>
> Paul
>

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

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I run tubes in mine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-6, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

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Too narrow, too far forward, too low for me. You'd lose the sweet spot of 
upright riding.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:56:57 AM UTC-6, Jesse wrote:
>
> Hey DP. I agree with you about parallel-ish bars being not-great on 
> technical descents. I mean, with the exception of dirt drops, but that's a 
> whole other can of worms.
>
> For those that prefer a swept back bar, but still require a 
> confidence-inspiring descending position, what about running Boscos with 
> inline levers in the front? Too narrow up there to be useful for 
> descending, you think? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

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Thanks, Aaron. You can see the cages with the big water bottles (3) 64oz, 
(1) 28 oz. in these two posts.

https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
and
https://deaconpatrick.org/two-midsummer-nights-dream-bikepacking-pikes-peak

With abandon,
Patrick


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-6, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>
> I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 
>
> Also love 4 bottle cages! 
>
> Thanks for posting. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

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To add more specifics to answer your question:

- a 100-200 mm telephoto lens (minimum) and tripod go a long way to making 
fruitful a wait in a well chosen hide. These are, of course, unwieldy and 
impractical for impromptu shots on a bike. Grin.

- Short the above, an inexpensive point and shoot camera with image 
stabalization and decent telephoto (Canon Elph 180 or 190) are a quickdraw 
solution with a reasonable chance of success if kept in a handlebar "feed" 
style bag.

Those are the only two practical suggestions I have. In general, a mobile 
phone won't cut it for any but the lucky (or unlucky, if you get too close 
to the bear/moose/elk/couger/badger...) encounter with wildlife that pose. 
And, sometimes, they do.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hours of patience or dumb luck, neither of which guarantee results other 
> than photos that look like proof of bigfoot, which is to say and 
> indiscernable blob. That is why I prefer to hunt flowers and trees and snow 
> and rain and landscapes. I'm fat and lazy. Grin. I see bald and goalden 
> eagles, perigrin, osprey, bats, owles, herons, cranes, song birds of too 
> many varieties to fathom, hummingbirds, and many others, and almost never 
> try to photograph them.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
>> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

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A bit over a year ago, I received my Gus Boots Willsen prototype. Grant 
designed GBW with Bosco bars in mind: upright riding with high, close bars. 
Riding single track this upright on good, solid geometry is transformative, and 
I loved this aspect of the Bosco bars it came with; I just switched to Wavy and 
then Jones bars because jouncy, technical descents with parallel 
handlebars/brakes is low on the fun scale.

Now, thanks to Velo Orange's Cigne stem (swan is so much more elegant than the 
usual name, so thank you, VO for that! LInk: 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/cigne-stem), I have achieved 
the upright riding position intended for this bike and wow is it elegant. 
Everything is in the sweetspot. Climbing has the front wheel less weighted and 
with the long wheelbase, I can sit up and not flip over backwards, but either 
spin/cruise up the hills, or shift up and torque the pedals with some handlebar 
leverage (which is much easier done while sitting than with a lower/forwarder 
bar). Long, swoopy, descents that wend their way around knolls and down gullies 
and through meadows and aspen groves on butter smooth trails are flowing poetic 
elegance and deceptively fast because slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Grin. 
Those jouncy, technical descents smooth out too, and the bike is free to do its 
Mongolian thing just by sitting up a bit off the saddle and letting it ride to 
the flow of bending elbows and knees.

So, to all the new builds of GBWs and Suzies, aim high and close with your 
bars. Riding with Boscos, even if they aren't your end bar, is a great way to 
get a feel for what this bike is. And if you ride technical single track and 
want a more perpendicular bar, the wavy bar and Cigne stem are an excellent 
combo for achieving Bosco feel with wavy confidence on descents. Note, you'll 
need the shims to make is happy.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

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Velo Orange's Cigne stem arrived and today was my first ride with it. 
Wonderful! Grant designed GBW with Bosco bars in mind, and that is what my 
prototype arrived with. To ride single track this upright on good, solid 
geometry is transformative. I'll post more on this, as this deserves its 
own thread, but just wanted to follow up here. Thanks again for the tip, 
Garth!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

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Hours of patience or dumb luck, neither of which guarantee results other 
than photos that look like proof of bigfoot, which is to say and 
indiscernable blob. That is why I prefer to hunt flowers and trees and snow 
and rain and landscapes. I'm fat and lazy. Grin. I see bald and goalden 
eagles, perigrin, osprey, bats, owles, herons, cranes, song birds of too 
many varieties to fathom, hummingbirds, and many others, and almost never 
try to photograph them.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>

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[RBW] Touring the Highland Cathedral's flowers with the Little Flower of Lisieux

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Who better than Saint Theresa the Little Flower of Lisieux and her “little way” 
from “The Story of a Soul” to accompany us through the meadows of the Highland 
Cathedral?

https://deaconpatrick.org/touring-the-highland-cathedrals-flowers-with-the-little-flower-of-lisieux

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

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Aye, Eric, friction between riding and photo is a thing. For me the 
equation is complicated by the technical trails I ride, necessitating a 
mirrorless camera be in a protective case inside my bike bag. But, because 
of a number of factors, the form fitting leather case I got is not usable 
with the tripod I use (detachable plate conflicts with the case), so I have 
to remove the camera in case from the bike bag, then the camera from the 
leather case to take shots. Haven't found anything on the market that 
addresses these issues, short of a direct mount tripod, but I've not seen 
or looked hard for one equal to the Velbon EX-Macro. 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1007229-REG/velbon_ex_macro_ex_macro_aluminum_tabletop_tripod.html?sts=pi=Y

The good news, for me, is when I want to take pictures, I'm remote, and 
it's relaxed, so the extra friction is just part of using more purposeful 
gear.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Amen! There’s a design concept called “friction” that seeks to make things 
> as easy as possible (for instance, “Buy It Now” buttons on web sites). For 
> me, this is directly applicable to photography while riding: If I have to 
> do more than about three things to get to the point where I can take a 
> picture, it’s too complicated and I find that I don’t even try. 
>
> Basically, I like a camera that I can 1) reach into the bag and grab, 2) 
> turn on/activate, and 3) put to my eye and shoot. Steps 1 and 2 should be 
> possible without looking at the camera. Depending on the circumstances, I 
> may just “aim” and shoot without using the viewfinder.
>
> This is why I don’t like using my phone (other than the risk of dropping 
> it). Getting the darn thing unlocked and then loading the camera app *or* 
> pressing on the screen in the right place to start the camera is just too 
> complicated and requires too much attention.
>
> This is also why I’m trending toward auto-focus, auto-exposure 
> point-and-shoot film cameras. I love rangefinders and have a bunch of them, 
> but unless I set the focus and hope for the best, they’re not useful to me 
> for bicycle shooting … unless I’m willing to stop, focus, meter (for 
> cameras like Rob K’s Leica iii), compose, and shoot.
>
> These days, I likes cameras like the Olympus XA-4, which allows me to zone 
> focus and just point (wide angle lens makes it easier to aim). I also have 
> a few 1980s-ish point and shoot cameras like the Yashica T3 and Minoltal 
> HiMatic AF2 that are easy to use and do everything but push their own 
> shutter button. Most of these cameras even load and advance the film 
> automatically. I find I take more pictures when I carry these cameras.
>
> This is based on almost 40 years of cycling photography. I started 
> shooting pictures of rides in the early 80s, using disposable film cameras 
> that by coincidence met the ease of use characteristics that I became aware 
> of years later. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:04 AM, Augi > wrote:
>
> I think the most important part of carrying a camera is how easy it is to 
> get to.  I drop it into my stem/bar bag so I can pull it out at anytime.
>
> https://www.outershelladventure.com/shop/7826r9hyzpjknnobe479ebu35yse8v
>
> When I used to pack my camera in a real bag, I noticed I got too lazy to 
> get it out and in a jersey pocket doesn't work for me.  I get too sweaty.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>
>> How do you haul it, use it, etc?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] New Camera Day

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Almost as much fun as new bike day!
https://deaconpatrick.org/new-camera-day

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[RBW] Re: Leather saddle recommendation for upright Sam H?

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Billy Crystal: "It's better to lk god than to fl gd. And 
let me tell you, darling ... you look maaahvelous! Absoltly 
mahvelous!" So, you got that going for you. Grin.

If you get desperate enough to try something beyond the Brompton wide, here 
is a whacky idear: harden your rear. Sit on wood chairs, no cushion. Kneel 
on a kneeler. Sit cross legged on a hard floor. Etc. Simultaneously, get 
the Berthoud and ride it. No short cuts to break it in, but in the long run 
you'll be far happier, because you are right, a leather saddle just rides 
... better.

With abandon,
Patrick, who actually eschews cushioned seating, uses a kneeling desk and 
sits on wood floors and flatform chairs, and rides a Berthoud on his GBW.

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-6, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone!
>
> I'm rebuilding an older double top-tube Sam Hillborne from the frame up, 
> and I'm struggling to find a comfortable leather saddle for an upright 
> ride. I don't mean "kinda upright", I mean straight back like a dutch bike 
> for errands and trips around time — achieving this with a Bosco bar and 
> super long Nitto tectonic stem pushed all the way up.
>
> I'm 175 lbs, 5'11" and have 115mm sitbones and normally ride a Fizik 
> Aliante or B17 Narrow on my more aggressive bikes... but putting either of 
> those saddles on the upright doesn't work. My sitbones fall off, and I'm 
> riding on "soft tissue". Ouch. 
>
> Other saddles that have not worked:
>
>- B17/Flyer: Too narrow. Sit bones fall off the edge, and upturned 
>nose pokes in a bad place.
>- B68: Too wide, chafes a bit, and slippery. 
>- Berthoud Mente: Hard as a rock, and possibly a little too wide (hard 
>to tell as it is so hard).
>- Brooks Cambium C19: Sit area curves down so much on the sides it's 
>really no wider than a C15 — or B17.
>- Rivet Loveland: Ditto.
>
> What sort of of works:
>
>- 170mm wide Brompton "Wide version" foam saddle I pilfered from my 
>wife's folding bike. Feels pretty good. But really, really dumb looking on 
>the Sam. I strongly prefer a leather saddle as the bike is turning out 
>quite lovely, and looks do count!
>
> Any suggestions? 
>
> PS: If someone has a tried and true way to break in the Berthoud, I might 
> do it. The issue is I'll never ride a century on this bike, and I'm afraid 
> that breaking the Mente in the normal way will take a year or more.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Paul
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question for Deacon Patrick

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Paul and Phil. The Paul needed the bearings replaced after a year, so I put 
in Phil bearings. Grin. Doing it again, I'd go Phil. Surly is attractive 
for the price, but the price of having to redo a wheel dissuaded me from 
testing it out for my riding.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 9:20:24 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sorry for broadcasting this, but I don't have Patrick's email address.
>
> Patrick: What fixed gear hubs have you had most success with offroad? I'd 
> like to replace the Surly 130 mm OL hub with some 120 OL hub, but I've not 
> bought a fixed hub except for 2 ENOs since 2006. 
>
> The newer model of the Surly (with the replacement axle) seems 
> bulletproof, but I daresay yours might be even more bullet proof.
>
> SIlver, 120 mm, 32 hole, hollow axle for QR or allen bolts. Fixed/fixed 
> preferred but fixed/free or even fixed/nothing acceptable.
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
> ---
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[RBW] Re: Commuter Tire for Hunq

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Sounds like Big Bens for the win!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:23:05 PM UTC-6, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I believe a 29er or 700c is known as a 28 in Europe.  As such, Schwalbe 
> designates their "29er" tires as "28"..
>
> I have liked them a lot actually.  I have used quite a few Schwalbe tires 
> over the years, including Marathon, Marathon Plus, Marathon Supreme, Big 
> Apple, Fat Frank, Kojack, Sammy Slicks, Thunder Burts, Big Ones.the 
> list goes on.  The Big Ben was up there with usual Schwalbe characteristics 
> of long lasting, great puncture protection, good grip, etc.  They aren't 
> the lightest tires, but this isn't a race bike either.
>
> I haven't purchased new tires in a few years so I am totally out of the 
> loop as to what is new.  I know the Rene Herse/Compass are all the rage but 
> I can't spend that much on tires.  
>
> As for my preferences, I most want a combination of decent weight, 
> puncture protection, and low rolling resistance.  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Commuter Tire for Hunq

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Dave,

I presume you mean 29 (700) x 2? Have you liked your Big Bens?

You may want to be more specific in what is important to you (smooth, 
supple, or no flats ever as the two extreme examples). Folks here commute 
on Rene Hearse ELs, or the beefiest Schwalbe there is. Here is the dizzying 
array of Schalbe touring tires: 
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires

Of course, with Rene Herse's Endurence + tires, you can have better flat 
protection in a still quite supple tire.

Personally, I go with the most supple tire I can without needing to change 
more than 4 flats a year. So far that generally means 2 flats or less a 
year and the most supple tires. Now that I've written this and am 
aproaching needing to change out my rear tire I've doomed myself to a flat 
here soon. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-6, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I want to replace the 28x2 Big Ben's on my Hunq.  I use it primarily for 
> errands and commuting right now.  I was debating getting a set of Marathon 
> Supremes.  As I haven't purchased "commuter" tires in a while, I'm 
> wondering if there is something better out there.
>
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[RBW] Re: The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

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All my bikes are as silent as I can make them. My QB with Steilacoms is 
fixed and as close to silent as a supple knobby tire can get, quieter on 
dirt/gravel and trail than the slick Rene Herse tires. My GBW 2.8" tires 
are noticeably louder below 50˚F as the rubber hardens, otherwise 
surprisingly quiet-ish for huge knobbies. In general, I've learned that a 
quiet bike is a happy bike.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
wrote:
>
> Might be a first for this topic. I was out on my All Rounder this weekend, 
> a local rail trail that has sections of pavement here and there. My current 
> set up is one speed, using a Paul Melvin matched up to an eight speed 
> cogset on an XT cassette hub out back - one of the middle cogs, (not sure 
> which) and a single TA zephyr ring up front - a 36 I think. Anyway, one of 
> the best things about biking for me, and a goal of mine in general, is to 
> ride as quietly as possible. Similar to sculling on flat water, which I 
> have done my share of, the feeling of self propulsion in total silence 
> intrigues and pleases me. 
>
> On gravel, the Rivendell makes very little sound while pedaling or not, 
> just a light crackle/hiss from the tires. (700c Big Ben's in this case) But 
> on pavement, damn if all sound doesn't evaporate entirely! I love that! 
> Granted, at 64  - and having played drums for many years in my youth - my 
> hearing is diminished somewhat to begin with. Regardless, my mission to 
> ride silently appears to be achieved. Having said that, there may be room 
> to improve. I suppose a fixed gear hub would eliminate any chance of pawl 
> noise, and smooth tires may take it down a notch too. I have a White ENO 
> flipflop hub laced to a rim that would work, so that may be my next 
> experiment. 
>
> Any other ideas for silent running are welcome. 
>
> Marty
>
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

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Thank you, Jason and Joe. So, above my pay grade. I'll make other 
arrangements.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

These are on the list to do in the near future. However, if I have to get into 
metal drilling or cutting, I'm going to need to make arrangements for someone 
to help/do the install.

What non-standard issues will I run into installing these:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/rene-herse-smooth-fenders-700c-for-48-52-mm-tires-h80-700c/
on a 66cm silver (final run) QB?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

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Och! Leah, we have such very different definitions of "heat" and "reprieve 
from the heat." Grin. It is a delightful feeling to sustain, and even 
deepen, the joy of changes to a bike as the days and rides pass and you 
settle in with it being the bike rather than the new bike. Grin. Keep on 
enjoying all that cool weather, er, in the evenings with your light 
Clementine with a light!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I continue to be in raptures over my “new” bike. Here is my NLC in the 
> evening sun on our 13 miler tonight. It was only 79 and breezy today in Las 
> Vegas. A reprieve from the heat is always welcome in my book. 
>
> The sun caught the colors well. No filters.
> Lone Wolf Leah
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Brian Campbell  > wrote:
>
> 
> Awesome bike! Glad everything worked out and you are getting to enjoy you 
> Clem even more!
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Strange Magic
>
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[RBW] June Snow: Callooh! Callay!

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What a wondrous gift to wake up to!

https://deaconpatrick.org/june-snow-callooh-callay

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

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Great info, lads and lassies! Thank you!

I'm delighted to hear fans for the mirrorless system. Today's ride in 3" of 
snow, with clumps and powder blowing off the trees as I took photos, 
reminded me of the experiment this is. To get weatherproof mirrorless is 
pricy, so my choice to go with the Olympus trailing edge tech in the hope 
it works, but also with an eye on an adventure camera (yeah, that's a thing 
.. weren't all cameras adventure cameras back in the day? Sardonic grin.): 
Olympus Tough TG 6. Time will tell.

On the tripod side, I was delighted to find that Velbon still makes them, 
still in aluminum, and basically the same as I used for years but somehow 
misplaced. My GorillaPod fell apart to the point of unusable: the plethora 
of ball and socket joints just doesn't hold up to abuse well.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:49:31 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

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I am constantly amazed how my QB with RH Stellacomb knobbies is nearly as 
plush a ride as my Hunqapillar (with liteskin Schwalbe 2.1" Racing Ralphs) 
and GBW with 2.8" Nobby Niks. Fork flex is a huge part of this. Viewing the 
Hunqapillar as parallel to your Bomba, I don't like any tires but the 
liteskin on it ... not a supple ride.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:10:41 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>  
>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
> lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>
>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  
> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
> ! 
>
> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>
> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
> narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
> rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
> tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
> that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
> "soft" and cushy.
>
> Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to throw 
> on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use Suntour 
> XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective brake. 
> It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic wheels that 
> are on it. 
>
> Hooray for road-tire bikes !  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Garth, for the win! I'd forgotten to check Velo Orange. 7cm reach Cigne, on 
the way. I've already shifted back to the wavy bars, and their shallower 
angle feels much better. Lighter too. Thank you, Garth!

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 3:00:28 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> This can raise your existing stem and it's inexpensive... and of all the 
> threadless risers this one actually looks alright . You'll still need to 
> use some spacers at full height of course. All this while still offering 
> some vertical adjustemnt.
>  
>  
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/27306-soma-stem-high-rider-threadless-stem-riser-2609?category=983
>  .
>
> With that alone you may or may be able to keep your existing stem, 
>
>
> Also, Velo Orange has their Cigne arc style stem , 70mm is in stock. All 
> of Crusts are out of stock. 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/cigne-stem?variant=51377292743
>
>
>
>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Understood, Jim. Thank you. Soothing balm makes a lot of sense. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 8:09:05 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Thank you Deacon.
>
> Given the tension and tone of the world right now, I'd rather not try that 
> experiment for a little bit. 
>
> I'm not necessarily saying it's off the table, but I'd prefer to table 
> that at the moment. 
>
> - Jim
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:22:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Jim, first and foremost for this group and the love you pour 
>> into in, and thus us, through the years. I will strive to abide by these 
>> strictures, with the caveat that I may forget to erase the bits of my 
>> signature when I start a thread by email, and understand if those posts are 
>> deleted. I'd like to propose one addition, but first describe what I have 
>> loved in the past about this group and miss now.
>>
>> - We are a diverse bunch and I greatly value that. Rivendell as a company 
>> attracts folks who approach many aspects of life differently from the main 
>> stream, yet we are far from homogenous. I miss the off topic wanderings and 
>> have learned a great deal from them.
>>
>> - Off topic wanderings used to be a rare example of civil discourse. I 
>> miss that, and believe the world misses that. We needn't agree to share the 
>> journey, and I personally benefit greatly from sharing the journey with 
>> folks who civilly disagree yet value each others human dignity in their 
>> discourse.
>>
>> Thus, in line with your questions "does this group matter?" and "is it 
>> needed?," I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020" 
>> that allows for self moderated civil discourse on any and all topics with 
>> the singular rule to strive to uphold all peoples' human dignity.
>>
>> Such a thread would act as a pressure valve, a shining, though sometimes 
>> muddy, example of what civil discourse is. It would not be a thread to vent 
>> anger, but instead an invitation to process reactions into mindful thought 
>> and humbly ask questions and express viewpoints in ... calm colloquy. It 
>> would give a place folks could point to when off topic opinions sneak into 
>> other threads as a more appropriate place to express them and humbly listen 
>> and learn what others think.
>>
>> The first post in each "Calm Colloquy" thread would contain the following:
>>
>> "This thread is for calm, reasoned discussion of any and all topics with 
>> the single rule of each person striving to uphold the dignity of every 
>> other person to have a civil discourse of divergent thought, opinion, and 
>> viewpoint. It is self-moderated, meaning there is no moderator and we are 
>> each moderators. Please do not vent raw thoughts or reactions here, but 
>> take time to calmly express your own viewpoint while simultaneously seeking 
>> to understand other's perspectives even and especially when they differ 
>> from your own."
>>
>> Such a thread is easily ignored by those who do not wish to participate, 
>> either by skipping it on the we interface, or by creating an email rule 
>> filter for topics containing "calm colloquy."
>>
>> One of the gifts of riding a bicycle is it gives time for processing 
>> events of the day and thinking through how I should respond. This is, I 
>> believe, an inherent aspect of human powered motion. It is a loss to not be 
>> able to discuss this with a diverse group of people who share this activity.
>>
>> I am happy to start such a thread, but only with your permission, Jim. 
>> This would be an experiment to try for a month and discontinue if it fails.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

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Watching. You've hit the very reason I've not gotten them: fear that my 
jouncy rides are too much for something not screwed or strapped on, other 
than me engine, which just sits like a freeloadin' slug on the bike. Grin.

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[RBW] Re: Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

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Thanks, all! The trailer idea may be the winner to consider, especially as 
they would be easily found used. The Recon Rack is intriguing too.

To paint a fuller picture: we've had a rear mount rack (not trailer hitch) 
for 3 bikes, and we have a 2 bike roof rack, but I'm the only one who can 
load it, and that can be iffy with my vertigo. Even an extended Dodge 
Caravan fills rapidly to capacity with 5 people and their stuff, so no room 
inside for the bigger bikes. That worked until this spring's shift up in 
size, and even then some ingrates found it uncomfortable to have pedals and 
handlebars in neck and ribs. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

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Precisely my assessment as well, Ted. Goatheads are the dividing line I 
see. Yet, clearly, there is another dividing line that Roberta and 
Riv-sisters are pointing out as well, and I'm delighted it is working for 
them.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> Hey Deacon,
>
> Though you are certainly big, and you may be an Ogre, I think we both know 
> you're not dumb.
> I think sometimes the move to tubeless gets conflated with the move to big 
> supple low pressure tires, because some people do both at the same time. As 
> you are already riding big supple low pressure tires, and are not bothered 
> by flats, I'd argue you're clearly the opposite of a perfect case study for 
> going tubeless. As you say you have no problem to fix. People who are 
> familiar with goat heads however, often feel they do have a problem, and 
> for them (and others bothered by flats resulting from similar irritants) 
> tubeless may be an answer. Different circumstances / environments often 
> warrant different equipment choices.
>
> regards
> Ted
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their 
>> lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes 
>> or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up 
>> to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily 
>> forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, 
>> technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.
>>>
>>>
>> Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from 
>> them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going 
>> tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross 
>> reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I 
>> get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler 
>> tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without 
>> mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due 
>> to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of 
>> riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. 
>> I am delighted it is working for so many!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

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I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated camera 
and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay of 20 
seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I ended up 
finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means heartier (I'll 
test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what I want so I don't 
pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is 
long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 with lens for a step uyp from a 
point and shoot or adventure camera. I have it coming, along with a better 
tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.

Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are doing/using. I 
love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the qualities and settings of 
a higher end camera. It seems there are the point and shoots (not many as 
mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which are a step up but still 
feature shy without spending a fortune, and then the higher end cameras 
(recommendations for ones that are weather proof and heartier?).

What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, use 
it, etc?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

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Is there such a beastie? Needs to fit Clementine wheelbase. My wife and 
daughters would ride much more if they didn't have to ride to where it is kid 
friendly to ride.

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[RBW] Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

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I love my Wavy Bar better than Jones on my GBW, but want it higher/closer, like 
the Jones is, so wondering what inexpensive, quality stem options there are for 
short (5cm or less) and/or with rise.

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

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Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their 
lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes 
or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up 
to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily 
forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, 
technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.
>
>
Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from 
them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going 
tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross 
reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I 
get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler 
tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without 
mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due 
to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of 
riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. 
I am delighted it is working for so many!

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

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Thank you, Jim, first and foremost for this group and the love you pour 
into in, and thus us, through the years. I will strive to abide by these 
strictures, with the caveat that I may forget to erase the bits of my 
signature when I start a thread by email, and understand if those posts are 
deleted. I'd like to propose one addition, but first describe what I have 
loved in the past about this group and miss now.

- We are a diverse bunch and I greatly value that. Rivendell as a company 
attracts folks who approach many aspects of life differently from the main 
stream, yet we are far from homogenous. I miss the off topic wanderings and 
have learned a great deal from them.

- Off topic wanderings used to be a rare example of civil discourse. I miss 
that, and believe the world misses that. We needn't agree to share the 
journey, and I personally benefit greatly from sharing the journey with 
folks who civilly disagree yet value each others human dignity in their 
discourse.

Thus, in line with your questions "does this group matter?" and "is it 
needed?," I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020" 
that allows for self moderated civil discourse on any and all topics with 
the singular rule to strive to uphold all peoples' human dignity.

Such a thread would act as a pressure valve, a shining, though sometimes 
muddy, example of what civil discourse is. It would not be a thread to vent 
anger, but instead an invitation to process reactions into mindful thought 
and humbly ask questions and express viewpoints in ... calm colloquy. It 
would give a place folks could point to when off topic opinions sneak into 
other threads as a more appropriate place to express them and humbly listen 
and learn what others think.

The first post in each "Calm Colloquy" thread would contain the following:

"This thread is for calm, reasoned discussion of any and all topics with 
the single rule of each person striving to uphold the dignity of every 
other person to have a civil discourse of divergent thought, opinion, and 
viewpoint. It is self-moderated, meaning there is no moderator and we are 
each moderators. Please do not vent raw thoughts or reactions here, but 
take time to calmly express your own viewpoint while simultaneously seeking 
to understand other's perspectives even and especially when they differ 
from your own."

Such a thread is easily ignored by those who do not wish to participate, 
either by skipping it on the we interface, or by creating an email rule 
filter for topics containing "calm colloquy."

One of the gifts of riding a bicycle is it gives time for processing events 
of the day and thinking through how I should respond. This is, I believe, 
an inherent aspect of human powered motion. It is a loss to not be able to 
discuss this with a diverse group of people who share this activity.

I am happy to start such a thread, but only with your permission, Jim. This 
would be an experiment to try for a month and discontinue if it fails.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

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Smooth as butter, John. I think he'll really like the set-up. The range of 
the Silver shifter allows for non-fiddly shifting. The first round of 
Silver Shifters seemed to be fussy, needing just a bit of range per gear, 
making it tricky to shift on a jouncy trail. Not so with two. The derailure 
was easy to install and set up, using the video on Box's site dialed it 
almost perfectly (I found a bit of extra tension in the wee cog makes for 
perfect alignment for shifting all nine gears beautifully). Minimal chain 
bounce and snug chain with the clutch system works well too.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:36:53 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>
> Hello DP,
>
> How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
> prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
> my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
> so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
> shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.
>
> JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>>
>> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
>> single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
>> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
>> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
>> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

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Michael,

I sold the chain saw after me bludgeoned brain. I can't be near the loud 
motor. I use a Silky saw now. the 14" blade goes through stunningly thick 
downed trees for quick(ish) human powered trail work.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:54:37 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Deacon, do you actually own chain saw?  I owned a chain saw for many 
> years, decades actually.  Then one day I looked down and noticed that I 
> still had to legs and two hands and decided I would sell my chainsaw while 
> I was ahead.  I still own many dangerous tools, including a 3HP table saw, 
> a tool which maims an American every seven minutes, but a chain saw, no 
> thank you.
>
> Michael
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:51:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
>> but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
>> me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Camera Suggestions

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Brilliant, Kai! Thank you. Even their Elph allows for up to 30 sec. delay 
with 10 shot burst.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:26:13 PM UTC-6, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
> from womb to natural tomb!
>
> I have found that Canon has the best timer software, but maybe others have 
> stepped up their game. 
> -Kai
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[RBW] Camera Suggestions

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I've no longer a mobile phone, which means I've also no longer the camera I'd 
been using or the timer and burst mode app that I used with it.

Ideas for quality digital adventure camera that has good value? I'm using a 
Panasonic point and shoot for now, but the self timer is very limited. Ideally, 
a timer would allow for a burst of 10 or so photos and a delay of up to 20 or 
30 seconds.

Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Aye, at 9,500ft, these trees have less betwixt them and space, so the blue 
really pops, unless we have fire haze. In sympathy to your heat, you'll be 
happy to hear today's ride had me having to un tuck my shirt to promote air 
flow at 8am swelter approaching 70˚F climbing up the pass. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 3:43:50 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Beautiful pictures as always. Your skies are even bluer than ours.
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:26 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Early spring colors on the trail on the skirts of Pikes Peak:
>>
>> https://deaconpatrick.org/early-spring-colors
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

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Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Early spring colors on the trail on the skirts of Pikes Peak:

https://deaconpatrick.org/early-spring-colors

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Patrick

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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

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I agree with you, Jan: human dignity is not being upheld and we absolutely 
need to respond. Of course, throughout human history this has been the case 
since the Fall. Grin. What human dignity is, how and why is it being 
undermined, and how to we strive to restore right relationship and uphold 
the dignity of every person ... there is lots of room there for people of 
good will to disagree.

With abandon,
Patrick

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