Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-15 Thread Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
I have a Tilley, but much prefer my OR Seattle Sombrero - lightweight, 
GoreTex and wide brim that can be Aussiefied on one side or both as needed. 
Great in the rain and snow, which is a good thing given the forecast for 
Thursday here in PA. 

https://www.sunnysports.com/p-orssslrbk/outdoor-research-seattle-sombrero-rain-hat-large-black?gclid=Cj0KCQiA2uH-BRCCARIsAEeef3mXE2Ypr3-JO_lmiizBjpxrcG3w2Qfdhz8ZLx3WuRhT513sst4deLwaAvK-EALw_wcB=aw.ds

The XL fits me better than any hat I've ever owned. I have a black one, but 
am tempted to get one in a lighter color for summer. 

Marty
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 1:53:34 AM UTC-5 jack loudon wrote:

> One thing about Tilley hats that may not have been mentioned is that most 
> are washable, and I like a hat that can withstand repeated washings.   My 
> Airflow (now 6 years old) gets sweat stained and generally nasty, but a 
> quick wash in the sink and it looks and smells like new - and keeps its 
> shape.  I just wring it out and put it back on my head.  It's also all 
> synthetic materials so the size has remained constant, where some of my 
> cotton hats have shrunk.  I loved my 'Ultimate' brand boating hat, but had 
> to soak it and stretch it over a head-sized bucket and it still shrunk 
> back.  Filson doesn't seem to make any truly well-ventilated hats and their 
> waxed cotton can't be thoroughly cleaned; mine got pretty ripe after a year 
> or two.  There are probably a lot of good hats out there, but I'd buy 
> another Tilley if mine got lost.
>
> Jack  "bald and with pallid cancer-prone Irish skin, so hats are my friend"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks. This looks likely: 
>> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>>
>> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
>> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>>
>> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get 
>> value for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is 
>> worth 2 or 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>>
>> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>>
>> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, 
>> "It is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
>> guarantees the brand."
>>
>> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>>
>>> For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>>> important.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-14 Thread jack loudon 
One thing about Tilley hats that may not have been mentioned is that most 
are washable, and I like a hat that can withstand repeated washings.   My 
Airflow (now 6 years old) gets sweat stained and generally nasty, but a 
quick wash in the sink and it looks and smells like new - and keeps its 
shape.  I just wring it out and put it back on my head.  It's also all 
synthetic materials so the size has remained constant, where some of my 
cotton hats have shrunk.  I loved my 'Ultimate' brand boating hat, but had 
to soak it and stretch it over a head-sized bucket and it still shrunk 
back.  Filson doesn't seem to make any truly well-ventilated hats and their 
waxed cotton can't be thoroughly cleaned; mine got pretty ripe after a year 
or two.  There are probably a lot of good hats out there, but I'd buy 
another Tilley if mine got lost.

Jack  "bald and with pallid cancer-prone Irish skin, so hats are my friend"





On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. This looks likely: 
> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>
> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>
> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 
> 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>
> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>
> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It 
> is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
> guarantees the brand."
>
> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
>> For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>> important.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-14 Thread Philip Williamson 
I support the Tilley hat recommendation. 

I fell in love with an orange and green one in REI 
 a couple years ago, and popped a 
picture up on Instagram - "Talk me out of this $80 hat." One of our crew 
here replied, "Get a Tilley instead." I said, "It IS a Tilley." He said, 
"Oh. Get the hat." He was right; I haven't regretted it. It turned me into 
a hat person! I wear it for yard work, I wear it to walk downtown, and I 
put it in my bike basket to wear when I stop on a ride to loaf around. 

Another one of our crew loaned me his black Tilley 
 at the Riv Jamboree 
 and packed up before I could get 
it back to him. He told me "keep it," and I did, happily. It fits a little 
better than the one I bought at REI, and the brim is a little stiffer, 
which helps when riding. Having two is great, but so far I haven't lost 
one, unlike cycling caps which literally disappear on the first wearing. 

The hats coming in real hat sizes is amazing. I have a big head, and the 
perfect fit is comfortable and secure. I always put the strap behind my 
head instead of under my chin, and the hat has never blown off. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 




On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 7:32:06 PM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks. This looks likely: 
>> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>>
>> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
>> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>>
>> I wear a 7 7/8 hat, and although OR XL "fits", it's a pretty snug fit. I 
> really like my Tilley Airflo. It comes in my size and fits perfectly. The 
> air flow is quite impressive. Here in Walnut Creek, we have plenty of 90+ 
> summer days, and the Tilley works great in a hot dry climate. The fit is so 
> good and the air flow is so efficient, that I'm not forced to use the chin 
> strap until gusts get more than 25mph or so. The OR will blow off at much 
> lower wind speeds. I was skeptical and avoided the Tilley price for a long 
> time, but I'm sold now. As a plus, it floats, and it rolls up small with no 
> harm if you need to stuff it into a pack.
>
> big head jim
> walnut creek, ca
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-12 Thread Jim M. 
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. This looks likely: 
> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>
> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>
> I wear a 7 7/8 hat, and although OR XL "fits", it's a pretty snug fit. I 
really like my Tilley Airflo. It comes in my size and fits perfectly. The 
air flow is quite impressive. Here in Walnut Creek, we have plenty of 90+ 
summer days, and the Tilley works great in a hot dry climate. The fit is so 
good and the air flow is so efficient, that I'm not forced to use the chin 
strap until gusts get more than 25mph or so. The OR will blow off at much 
lower wind speeds. I was skeptical and avoided the Tilley price for a long 
time, but I'm sold now. As a plus, it floats, and it rolls up small with no 
harm if you need to stuff it into a pack.

big head jim
walnut creek, ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-10 Thread Garth 
Patrick, forget the Papyrus, the brim is weak and floppy, like all their 
hats, wind or no wind. I tried that hat, own a few others, and returned 
many. OR is always about saving weight, saving it for what ? How can you 
save something that is at best, relative ? Oh but I digress.

I suspect the Tilley or Filson will hold their shape better, me having no 
first hand experience with them. 

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 9:55:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. This looks likely: 
> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>
> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>
> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 
> 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>
> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>
> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It 
> is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
> guarantees the brand."
>
> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
>> For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>> important.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-10 Thread MikeS 
I’ve got a Tilley R7 straw hat, size XL, that I’m not wearing.  I tried to flog 
it on the Boblist a couple months ago but didn’t get any takers.  I just 
offered it to Patrick, but alas he’s looking for something more structured.  So 
here I am hijacking his thread to see if anyone else may be interested.

It’s pretty big.  It fits my 7 5/8 melon with room to spare.  It is a bit more 
floppy/casual than the photos in the links suggest.  It’s a sharp hat, just not 
my style.  I wore it once or twice this spring after purchasing it, but haven’t 
found myself grabbing it since.

I’d like to move it along to clear a spot on the hat rack and free up some 
budget for Christmas presents, so how does $50 plus postage sound?

Please contact me at beewak at gmail dot com

I’ve included a couple of links and a Tilley size chart below for reference.

https://hollandhats.com/shop/mens/hats-spring-summer-mens/tilley-r7-raffia-hat/

https://www.amazon.com/Tilley-R7-Raffia-Town/dp/B01M7MWKON

https://www.tilley.com/us_en/inside-tilley/about-us/size-guides.html

Cheers-

Mike in Somerville, MA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread Jay Lonner 
I’ve had both Filson and Tilley. I strongly prefer the Tilley. The Filson is a 
PNW classic made of a waxed canvas material, great in the rain but not very 
breathable, which is an obvious drawback for a sun hat. There are many Tilley 
varieties, including vented models, although the one I have is made of cotton 
duck. I find it more much comfortable than the Filson, and it also has a clever 
strap system that will really keep it clamped to your head in windy conditions. 
It also floats. (Since I’m a boater and scuba diver, these qualities matter to 
me.) I’ve worn the Tilley in tropical and subtropical locales throughout the 
Caribbean and Pacific, and since I really try to avoid sunscreen due its 
detrimental effects on corals it is a must-have item when I travel  to these 
areas. Get the Tilley!

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 9:14 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> The Tilley hats I have had wear well but don’t last me any longer than 
> cheaper hats. They do, or at least used to, come with a cheap replacement 
> price if you wear yours out. I never took advantage of that.
> 
> The Tilley hats were really well made though. Canadian sewn which is always 
> good and they use quality materials. The Filson hat I own is also well made 
> and has some leather bits on it. It is made in the USA which adds to the 
> cost. Not a bad price for Filson though. This is the one I have.
> 
> https://www.filson.com/accessories/hats-and-caps/tin-cloth-bush-hat.html#sku=11060035-fco-00088
> 
> The OR hats I’ve owned along with similar hats aren’t as well made and are 
> made out of lesser materials. They are likely made overseas where labor is 
> cheaper as well. They do last me a long time though. I have one I should get 
> rid of since it is stained really badly but it is functionally fine.
> 
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks. This looks likely: 
>> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>> 
>> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
>> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>> 
>> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
>> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 
>> 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>> 
>> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>> 
>> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It 
>> is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
>> guarantees the brand."
>> 
>> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>>> For me, it's a Tillley. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>>> important.
>>> 
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread rltilley 
The Tilley hats I have had wear well but don’t last me any longer than cheaper 
hats. They do, or at least used to, come with a cheap replacement price if you 
wear yours out. I never took advantage of that.

The Tilley hats were really well made though. Canadian sewn which is always 
good and they use quality materials. The Filson hat I own is also well made and 
has some leather bits on it. It is made in the USA which adds to the cost. Not 
a bad price for Filson though. This is the one I have.

https://www.filson.com/accessories/hats-and-caps/tin-cloth-bush-hat.html#sku=11060035-fco-00088

The OR hats I’ve owned along with similar hats aren’t as well made and are made 
out of lesser materials. They are likely made overseas where labor is cheaper 
as well. They do last me a long time though. I have one I should get rid of 
since it is stained really badly but it is functionally fine.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks. This looks likely: 
> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
> 
> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
> 
> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 3 
> times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
> 
> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
> 
> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It is 
> not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that guarantees 
> the brand."
> 
> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>> For me, it's a Tillley. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other Johnny 
>> Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle touring, the 
>> black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before covid times. They 
>> are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good shade, are 
>> reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and best of 
>> all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is important.
>> 
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks. This looks likely:
https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html

But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one?
https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402

As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value
for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or
3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat.

What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?

As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It
is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that
guarantees the brand."

Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:

> For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other
> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle
> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before
> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good
> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and
> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is
> important.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread Berkeleyan 
For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
important.

- Andrew, Berkeley


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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread rltilley 
OR sells something similar to that and I picked one up. No weed screen to 
pilfer though. I figured the shorter brim would be better for on bike use. For 
me sun protection is more important than a helmet although I could likely put a 
helmet on over the hat.

https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Research-Sombriolet-Bucket-Saddle/dp/B078XXSXW7/ref=pd_aw_sim_nf_1?pd_rd_w=BPDmy_rd_p=1c4396a5-4813-44e8-9228-e517f2516e94_rd_r=ZT0N2KASXXDZAJGAC71W_rd_r=215c297f-acc6-4610-80ed-73f1d936d9ff_rd_wg=Pj3sI_rd_i=B08GV1SYXX

Robert Tilley
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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> That looks spot on; thanks.
> 
> Nick, I think online sellers may carry Kooringal in the US, or shippable to 
> the US, but it looks as if there are many alternatives stateside.
> 
> (As teenager we affected African bush hats like this one. We'd pry out the 
> little vent screens and use them as filters for our pot pipes, which we made 
> them the local bamboo, to keep from sucking debris up the stem. We often did 
> poor jobs of cleaning the stuff, which was sold with a branch of the plant 
> wadded up and dried in a big ball wrapped in newspaper, with stems, seeds, 
> and everything, so you'd have to clean out the junk to get the 25 or 30% that 
> was smokable. I have no particular nostalgia for the pot -- nor any guilt nor 
> righteous indignation at the stuff either; but I do have it for the hats and 
> pipes and Bata Safari Boots.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:13 AM greenteadrinkers 
>>  wrote:
>> Right, looking at the links you started out with, this seems a fairly close 
>> match: 
>> 
>> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>> 
>> Can't say I have any experience with that hat, but, I've never had an issue 
>> with any OR products.
>> 
>> $36 fairly inexpensive.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 1:03:47 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> Thanks much, all. I've looked at each suggestion, and will go back -- it 
>>> has been a long time! -- to Ex Officio and Outdoor Research.
>>> 
>>> After reviewing the particular suggestions, I think I'll look for a 
>>> cowboy-type of hat; after all, this is the southwest, and there seem to be 
>>> quite a few made from mesh of one sort or another.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not really like this one, though ...
>>> 
 On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
 We've discussed hiking or walking shoes, walking as supplementary exercise 
 to cycling, and now --- hats. BTW, more walking, with attention to posture 
 and longer stride, seems to have helped the minor back injury a great deal 
 -- which obviously makes riding more comfortable -- so thanks for that.
 
 Even in December the afternoon sun is very strong here at 5K+ feet, and my 
 old straw cowboy hat, almost perfect when new, has stretched to the point 
 where it comes down over my ears.
 
 I want something with a wide brim, as light and ventilated as possible, 
 and with a more structured look, not a crush hat.
 
 I see all sorts of highly praised ones online; this and this and this, for 
 example:
 
 https://tinyurl.com/Dorfman-Pacific
 
 https://tinyurl.com/RedHead-Aussie
 
 https://tinyurl.com/Henschel-Aussie-Breezer
 
 I've not bought a new hat, except for cycling caps, since about 1997, so I 
 know next to nothing about them. 
 
 I don't mind paying $100 for something that is really better than what you 
 get for under $40, but the difference will have to be real.
 
 I hate baseball caps.
 
 Comments and suggestions?
 
 Thanks.
 
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 ---
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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
 
 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread Nick Payne 
I went to a few camping shops last week looking for just such a hat, but 
couldn't find anything that particularly suited. On the way home I walked 
past a pharmacy that had a collection of hats on display outside (it's 
summer here in the southern hemisphere), and I bought one of them - $A24, 
which is about $US18. A local brand named Kooringal, though, so probably 
not much use to you.

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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread greenteadrinkers 
Right, looking at the links you started out with, this seems a fairly close 
match: 

https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402

Can't say I have any experience with that hat, but, I've never had an issue 
with any OR products.

$36 fairly inexpensive.

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 1:03:47 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks much, all. I've looked at each suggestion, and will go back -- it 
> has been a long time! -- to Ex Officio and Outdoor Research.
>
> After reviewing the particular suggestions, I think I'll look for a 
> cowboy-type of hat; after all, this is the southwest, and there seem to be 
> quite a few made from mesh of one sort or another.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Not really like this one, though ...
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> We've discussed hiking or walking shoes, walking as supplementary 
>> exercise to cycling, and now --- hats. BTW, more walking, with attention to 
>> posture and longer stride, seems to have helped the minor back injury a 
>> great deal -- which obviously makes riding more comfortable -- so thanks 
>> for that.
>>
>> Even in December the afternoon sun is very strong here at 5K+ feet, and 
>> my old straw cowboy hat, almost perfect when new, has stretched to the 
>> point where it comes down over my ears.
>>
>> I want something with a wide brim, as light and ventilated as possible, 
>> and with a more structured look, not a crush hat.
>>
>> I see all sorts of highly praised ones online; this and this and this, 
>> for example:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/Dorfman-Pacific
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/RedHead-Aussie
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/Henschel-Aussie-Breezer
>>
>> I've not bought a new hat, except for cycling caps, since about 1997, so 
>> I know next to nothing about them. 
>>
>> I don't mind paying $100 for something that is really better than what 
>> you get for under $40, but the difference will have to be real.
>>
>> I hate baseball caps.
>>
>> Comments and suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks much, all. I've looked at each suggestion, and will go back -- it
has been a long time! -- to Ex Officio and Outdoor Research.

After reviewing the particular suggestions, I think I'll look for a
cowboy-type of hat; after all, this is the southwest, and there seem to be
quite a few made from mesh of one sort or another.

[image: image.png]

Not really like this one, though ...

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> We've discussed hiking or walking shoes, walking as supplementary exercise
> to cycling, and now --- hats. BTW, more walking, with attention to posture
> and longer stride, seems to have helped the minor back injury a great deal
> -- which obviously makes riding more comfortable -- so thanks for that.
>
> Even in December the afternoon sun is very strong here at 5K+ feet, and my
> old straw cowboy hat, almost perfect when new, has stretched to the point
> where it comes down over my ears.
>
> I want something with a wide brim, as light and ventilated as possible,
> and with a more structured look, not a crush hat.
>
> I see all sorts of highly praised ones online; this and this and this, for
> example:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Dorfman-Pacific
>
> https://tinyurl.com/RedHead-Aussie
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Henschel-Aussie-Breezer
>
> I've not bought a new hat, except for cycling caps, since about 1997, so I
> know next to nothing about them.
>
> I don't mind paying $100 for something that is really better than what you
> get for under $40, but the difference will have to be real.
>
> I hate baseball caps.
>
> Comments and suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread lconley 
My go-to is a Tilley. They make hats large enough and even too big. Started 
using Tilley after a recommendation from a sailing instructor. Washable. 
Downside is too many model choices. 
Back up is an REI - again too many model choices.

Laing

On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:05:15 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> We've discussed hiking or walking shoes, walking as supplementary exercise 
> to cycling, and now --- hats. BTW, more walking, with attention to posture 
> and longer stride, seems to have helped the minor back injury a great deal 
> -- which obviously makes riding more comfortable -- so thanks for that.
>
> Even in December the afternoon sun is very strong here at 5K+ feet, and my 
> old straw cowboy hat, almost perfect when new, has stretched to the point 
> where it comes down over my ears.
>
> I want something with a wide brim, as light and ventilated as possible, 
> and with a more structured look, not a crush hat.
>
> I see all sorts of highly praised ones online; this and this and this, for 
> example:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Dorfman-Pacific
>
> https://tinyurl.com/RedHead-Aussie
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Henschel-Aussie-Breezer
>
> I've not bought a new hat, except for cycling caps, since about 1997, so I 
> know next to nothing about them. 
>
> I don't mind paying $100 for something that is really better than what you 
> get for under $40, but the difference will have to be real.
>
> I hate baseball caps.
>
> Comments and suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread greenteadrinkers 
Ex Officio and Outdoor Research make great sun-protective clothing, I've 
used Ex Officio for extended trips throughout India, holds up well and 
keeps the sun off. Kava also offers sun hat solutions, a bit goofy but 
solid.

Scott

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 9:13:35 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I got an Ex Officio wide brim sun hat to keep me from scalding during a 
> July event on a golf course a few years ago. 
>
> The problem is that if it's good enough, folks will have had them for 
> years of continuous use and their recommendation is met with "no longer 
> available" when searched unless from one of those $100 chapeaux vendors. I 
> suggest monitoring Sierra Trading Post's website.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:05:15 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> We've discussed hiking or walking shoes, walking as supplementary 
>> exercise to cycling, and now --- hats. BTW, more walking, with attention to 
>> posture and longer stride, seems to have helped the minor back injury a 
>> great deal -- which obviously makes riding more comfortable -- so thanks 
>> for that.
>>
>> Even in December the afternoon sun is very strong here at 5K+ feet, and 
>> my old straw cowboy hat, almost perfect when new, has stretched to the 
>> point where it comes down over my ears.
>>
>> I want something with a wide brim, as light and ventilated as possible, 
>> and with a more structured look, not a crush hat.
>>
>> I see all sorts of highly praised ones online; this and this and this, 
>> for example:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/Dorfman-Pacific
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/RedHead-Aussie
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/Henschel-Aussie-Breezer
>>
>> I've not bought a new hat, except for cycling caps, since about 1997, so 
>> I know next to nothing about them. 
>>
>> I don't mind paying $100 for something that is really better than what 
>> you get for under $40, but the difference will have to be real.
>>
>> I hate baseball caps.
>>
>> Comments and suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-09 Thread ascpgh 
I got an Ex Officio wide brim sun hat to keep me from scalding during a 
July event on a golf course a few years ago. 

The problem is that if it's good enough, folks will have had them for years 
of continuous use and their recommendation is met with "no longer 
available" when searched unless from one of those $100 chapeaux vendors. I 
suggest monitoring Sierra Trading Post's website.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:05:15 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> We've discussed hiking or walking shoes, walking as supplementary exercise 
> to cycling, and now --- hats. BTW, more walking, with attention to posture 
> and longer stride, seems to have helped the minor back injury a great deal 
> -- which obviously makes riding more comfortable -- so thanks for that.
>
> Even in December the afternoon sun is very strong here at 5K+ feet, and my 
> old straw cowboy hat, almost perfect when new, has stretched to the point 
> where it comes down over my ears.
>
> I want something with a wide brim, as light and ventilated as possible, 
> and with a more structured look, not a crush hat.
>
> I see all sorts of highly praised ones online; this and this and this, for 
> example:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Dorfman-Pacific
>
> https://tinyurl.com/RedHead-Aussie
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Henschel-Aussie-Breezer
>
> I've not bought a new hat, except for cycling caps, since about 1997, so I 
> know next to nothing about them. 
>
> I don't mind paying $100 for something that is really better than what you 
> get for under $40, but the difference will have to be real.
>
> I hate baseball caps.
>
> Comments and suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

2020-12-08 Thread aeroperf 
This one works for me.
https://www.rei.com/product/827301/columbia-bora-bora-booney-ii-hat


On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:05:15 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> We've discussed hiking or walking shoes, walking as supplementary exercise 
> to cycling, and now --- hats. BTW, more walking, with attention to posture 
> and longer stride, seems to have helped the minor back injury a great deal 
> -- which obviously makes riding more comfortable -- so thanks for that.
>
> Even in December the afternoon sun is very strong here at 5K+ feet, and my 
> old straw cowboy hat, almost perfect when new, has stretched to the point 
> where it comes down over my ears.
>
> I want something with a wide brim, as light and ventilated as possible, 
> and with a more structured look, not a crush hat.
>
> I see all sorts of highly praised ones online; this and this and this, for 
> example:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Dorfman-Pacific
>
> https://tinyurl.com/RedHead-Aussie
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Henschel-Aussie-Breezer
>
> I've not bought a new hat, except for cycling caps, since about 1997, so I 
> know next to nothing about them. 
>
> I don't mind paying $100 for something that is really better than what you 
> get for under $40, but the difference will have to be real.
>
> I hate baseball caps.
>
> Comments and suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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