Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-29 Thread nawrock


I am going to send a deposit  on a SO.  After having to sell my QB a couple 
years ago I am missing that bike soo much.  And I too would want sidepulls and 
I really dont care about any of the logos, its the frame design that apeals to 
me, it is brilliant. 



Dave Nawrocki 

Fort Collins, CO 

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From: Rocky B rivvyr...@gmail.com 
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Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:21:30 PM 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site! 

I kinda hope they do go with sidepulls with the SO.  It'll make the QB 
and SO more distinguishable from each other. 

On Aug 28, 9:39 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I kinda like that they're leaning towards sidepulls (Silvers I 
 imagine) for the SO. I've grown to really like those brakes on my 
 Hilsen, they're just a lot easier to deal with than cantis. 

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Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:21:30 PM 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site! 

I kinda hope they do go with sidepulls with the SO.  It'll make the QB 
and SO more distinguishable from each other. 

On Aug 28, 9:39 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I kinda like that they're leaning towards sidepulls (Silvers I 
 imagine) for the SO. I've grown to really like those brakes on my 
 Hilsen, they're just a lot easier to deal with than cantis. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-29 Thread Montclair BobbyB
According to my conversation with RBW, the Bombadil with the diagonal
tubes (full length to the dropouts) will carry a slight price increase
to offset the tubing and funky lugwork (can't wait to see that).  The
double TT version of the Bomba is apparently no longer being made
(bummer, I really like that).


On Aug 28, 9:09 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Aug 28, 4:40 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Wait 'til you see 
 the new Bombadil. Breezer redux.

 Really? I wonder if the price will go up.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread EricP
I can see that argument, but a Phil Wood rear hub dishes the wheel
quite a bit in back.  So not sure a disc wheel is inherently weaker.

The Hunqa is too much of a personal issue for me to comment
objectively.  But my initial impression has not changed.

The Simple-One does look nice.  Actually sort of like the mismatched
look of the crank/rear hub.  Then again, am known for having parts not
match on my bikes, so it's more a sin of the owner.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Aug 27, 11:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Agreed.  Nothing wrong with discs, probably even better for loaded descents
 (heat), but weaker wheels and over-built forks don't intrigue me too much.
 V-brakes really stop pretty darn good.  So do cantis for that matter! :-)



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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread Garth

I'm mostly interested in the Andel cranks.  The logo will likely be
removable by grade  steel wool(ultrafine).

I'm trying to get some of these in a 110/74 , but no one in the USA
sells them  except maybe Gaerlan Cycles, which sells some  similar
looking under the Vuelta brand name.  Or you have to buy a complete
LHT to get some!!
http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/parts/crank/crank.html
http://www.andel.com.tw/products/products_list.php?language=_engcid=18up_cid=11

I'm liking these cranks because of the standard 5 bolt design, as
opposed to the hidden 5th crank bolt design. I have it on a TA Zephyr,
and it serves zero purpose, other than making getting the bolt tight
an exercise in busted knuckles.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread Johnny Alien
I thought the diagonal would look bad to me BUT I actually like it
alot. I wish all sizes had it because I ride a size too small to have
it.

On Aug 28, 8:13 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm mostly interested in the Andel cranks.  The logo will likely be
 removable by grade  steel wool(ultrafine).

 I'm trying to get some of these in a 110/74 , but no one in the USA
 sells them  except maybe Gaerlan Cycles, which sells some  similar
 looking under the Vuelta brand name.  Or you have to buy a complete
 LHT to get 
 some!!http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/parts/crank/crank.htmlhttp://www.andel.com.tw/products/products_list.php?language=_engcid=...

 I'm liking these cranks because of the standard 5 bolt design, as
 opposed to the hidden 5th crank bolt design. I have it on a TA Zephyr,
 and it serves zero purpose, other than making getting the bolt tight
 an exercise in busted knuckles.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread Mike
I kinda like that they're leaning towards sidepulls (Silvers I
imagine) for the SO. I've grown to really like those brakes on my
Hilsen, they're just a lot easier to deal with than cantis.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread Aaron Young
Personally I like the look of a straight second top tube more than the
diagonal.  Also, I agree with James V. that the original Breezer style
diagonal would be better (but a bit heavier if that even matters).

With the diaga-tube will Riv change the Hunqa-graphics so the second
crossbar on the H is diagonal, too

Aaron Young
Rochester, NY




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 I kinda like that they're leaning towards sidepulls (Silvers I
 imagine) for the SO. I've grown to really like those brakes on my
 Hilsen, they're just a lot easier to deal with than cantis.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread Marty
Riv has built Breezeresque bikes before. (Link follows) Interesting to
note that the real Breezer had a downward sloping top tube - toward
the head tube that is - and twin diagatubes ala Mixte. (you can see it
in the second link. Maybe it's the photo that makes it look like it
slopes down?)  I like the solid tube to the seat tube, then split to
the rear dropouts, like the one in the Riv pic next. If the next
Bombadil has this feature - I'm in!

http://tinyurl.com/27pkp52

And here's the Breezer:

http://tinyurl.com/23r3by7

Marty

On Aug 28, 6:40 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wait 'til you see the new Bombadil. Breezer redux.

 On Aug 28, 4:13 pm, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:



  Personally I like the look of a straight second top tube more than the
  diagonal.  Also, I agree with James V. that the original Breezer style
  diagonal would be better (but a bit heavier if that even matters).

  With the diaga-tube will Riv change the Hunqa-graphics so the second
  crossbar on the H is diagonal, too

  Aaron Young
  Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread William
There's a very early Breezer on display at Oakland Airport.

On Aug 28, 5:46 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
 Riv has built Breezeresque bikes before. (Link follows) Interesting to
 note that the real Breezer had a downward sloping top tube - toward
 the head tube that is - and twin diagatubes ala Mixte. (you can see it
 in the second link. Maybe it's the photo that makes it look like it
 slopes down?)  I like the solid tube to the seat tube, then split to
 the rear dropouts, like the one in the Riv pic next. If the next
 Bombadil has this feature - I'm in!

 http://tinyurl.com/27pkp52

 And here's the Breezer:

 http://tinyurl.com/23r3by7

 Marty

 On Aug 28, 6:40 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

  Wait 'til you see the new Bombadil. Breezer redux.

  On Aug 28, 4:13 pm, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:

   Personally I like the look of a straight second top tube more than the
   diagonal.  Also, I agree with James V. that the original Breezer style
   diagonal would be better (but a bit heavier if that even matters).

   With the diaga-tube will Riv change the Hunqa-graphics so the second
   crossbar on the H is diagonal, too

   Aaron Young
   Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread Rocky B
I kinda hope they do go with sidepulls with the SO.  It'll make the QB
and SO more distinguishable from each other.

On Aug 28, 9:39 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I kinda like that they're leaning towards sidepulls (Silvers I
 imagine) for the SO. I've grown to really like those brakes on my
 Hilsen, they're just a lot easier to deal with than cantis.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread cyclotourist
From what I know (I think based on BQ???), tieing the laterals into the rear
dropout is the correct way to build such a bike.  If they go into the seat
stays, it's not as strong.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 'ere you go - springer fork, even!:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/66275...@n00/4899070155

 On 8/28/10, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  There's a very early Breezer on display at Oakland Airport.
 
  On Aug 28, 5:46 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
  Riv has built Breezeresque bikes before. (Link follows) Interesting to
  note that the real Breezer had a downward sloping top tube - toward
  the head tube that is - and twin diagatubes ala Mixte. (you can see it
  in the second link. Maybe it's the photo that makes it look like it
  slopes down?)  I like the solid tube to the seat tube, then split to
  the rear dropouts, like the one in the Riv pic next. If the next
  Bombadil has this feature - I'm in!
 
  http://tinyurl.com/27pkp52
 
  And here's the Breezer:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/23r3by7
 
  Marty
 
  On Aug 28, 6:40 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Wait 'til you see the new Bombadil. Breezer redux.
 
   On Aug 28, 4:13 pm, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Personally I like the look of a straight second top tube more than
 the
diagonal.  Also, I agree with James V. that the original Breezer
 style
diagonal would be better (but a bit heavier if that even matters).
 
With the diaga-tube will Riv change the Hunqa-graphics so the second
crossbar on the H is diagonal, too
 
Aaron Young
Rochester, NY
 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-28 Thread William
That's the one.  My photo was on my phone, and not worth sharing.

On Aug 28, 9:23 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 'ere you go - springer fork, 
 even!:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66275...@n00/4899070155

 On 8/28/10, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  There's a very early Breezer on display at Oakland Airport.

  On Aug 28, 5:46 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
  Riv has built Breezeresque bikes before. (Link follows) Interesting to
  note that the real Breezer had a downward sloping top tube - toward
  the head tube that is - and twin diagatubes ala Mixte. (you can see it
  in the second link. Maybe it's the photo that makes it look like it
  slopes down?)  I like the solid tube to the seat tube, then split to
  the rear dropouts, like the one in the Riv pic next. If the next
  Bombadil has this feature - I'm in!

 http://tinyurl.com/27pkp52

  And here's the Breezer:

 http://tinyurl.com/23r3by7

  Marty

  On Aug 28, 6:40 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

   Wait 'til you see the new Bombadil. Breezer redux.

   On Aug 28, 4:13 pm, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:

Personally I like the look of a straight second top tube more than the
diagonal.  Also, I agree with James V. that the original Breezer style
diagonal would be better (but a bit heavier if that even matters).

With the diaga-tube will Riv change the Hunqa-graphics so the second
crossbar on the H is diagonal, too

Aaron Young
Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-27 Thread James Valiensi
That diagonal - I wish he did it like the original Breezer's. That would be 
cool.
On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:00 PM, doug peterson wrote:

 Interesting, yes; but also weird looking (the Hunqa).  This diagonal
 thing strikes me as a solution in search of a problem.  My Atlantis
 has been thoroughly over-loaded, abused, misused and otherwise
 subjected to loading indignities, and it hasn't complained, bent or
 broken.  Ami I missing something here?
 
 dougP
 
 On Aug 27, 7:29 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting.
 
 http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-27 Thread cyclotourist
I'm intrigued.  For those of you following along at home, I bought a Karate
Monkey on the cheap, but might be persuaded to trade it in to get a Hunq.
I'm between sizes, and both 54  58 have compromises for me.  Leaning toward
a 54 if I can get the bars up high enough to run drops.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote:

 That diagonal - I wish he did it like the original Breezer's. That would be
 cool.
 On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:00 PM, doug peterson wrote:

  Interesting, yes; but also weird looking (the Hunqa).  This diagonal
  thing strikes me as a solution in search of a problem.  My Atlantis
  has been thoroughly over-loaded, abused, misused and otherwise
  subjected to loading indignities, and it hasn't complained, bent or
  broken.  Ami I missing something here?
 
  dougP
 
  On Aug 27, 7:29 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
  Interesting.
 
  http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf
 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-27 Thread Ian Dickson
I'm 5'11, I ordered a 54 Hunq, and I'm going to put drops on it.
Once I have it, I'll post pictures and take measurements if you like.

On Aug 28, 10:43 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm intrigued.  For those of you following along at home, I bought a Karate
 Monkey on the cheap, but might be persuaded to trade it in to get a Hunq.
 I'm between sizes, and both 54  58 have compromises for me.  Leaning toward
 a 54 if I can get the bars up high enough to run drops.



 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote:
  That diagonal - I wish he did it like the original Breezer's. That would be
  cool.
  On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:00 PM, doug peterson wrote:

   Interesting, yes; but also weird looking (the Hunqa).  This diagonal
   thing strikes me as a solution in search of a problem.  My Atlantis
   has been thoroughly over-loaded, abused, misused and otherwise
   subjected to loading indignities, and it hasn't complained, bent or
   broken.  Ami I missing something here?

   dougP

   On Aug 27, 7:29 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
   Interesting.

  http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-27 Thread Michael_S
I like the Diagonal tube... but the 54 is the best fit for me, which
has a single top tube.still thinking a disc brake would be a good
thing with those big fat tires too.

I'm more interested in the Simpleone at this point. I'll have to wait
until later next week to see what's under the wrapping.  I'm OK
waiting as I'm driving up to the Bay area to pick up my new to me
green Ram.

~Mike~


On Aug 27, 8:43 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm intrigued.  For those of you following along at home, I bought a Karate
 Monkey on the cheap, but might be persuaded to trade it in to get a Hunq.
 I'm between sizes, and both 54  58 have compromises for me.  Leaning toward
 a 54 if I can get the bars up high enough to run drops.





 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote:
  That diagonal - I wish he did it like the original Breezer's. That would be
  cool.
  On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:00 PM, doug peterson wrote:

   Interesting, yes; but also weird looking (the Hunqa).  This diagonal
   thing strikes me as a solution in search of a problem.  My Atlantis
   has been thoroughly over-loaded, abused, misused and otherwise
   subjected to loading indignities, and it hasn't complained, bent or
   broken.  Ami I missing something here?

   dougP

   On Aug 27, 7:29 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
   Interesting.

  http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf

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[RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-27 Thread rperks
Disc brakes come with good and bad, I have been an advocate, but I
think the dishing of the wheels from the left side opens up greater
inherent weaknesses.  If the canti brakes are not enough, or the flex
in the stays is a bit much you can always throw a booster arch on it.
It is not like you could overbuild the thing any more.

The simple one does seem good in concept, it will be interesting to
see where the price falls for tiwan stuff, makes me regret not
grabbing a quickbean in any color, kept hoping something better than
silver would be next.

Rob

On Aug 27, 8:54 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 I like the Diagonal tube... but the 54 is the best fit for me, which
 has a single top tube.still thinking a disc brake would be a good
 thing with those big fat tires too.

 I'm more interested in the Simpleone at this point. I'll have to wait
 until later next week to see what's under the wrapping.  I'm OK
 waiting as I'm driving up to the Bay area to pick up my new to me
 green Ram.

 ~Mike~

 On Aug 27, 8:43 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm intrigued.  For those of you following along at home, I bought a Karate
  Monkey on the cheap, but might be persuaded to trade it in to get a Hunq.
  I'm between sizes, and both 54  58 have compromises for me.  Leaning toward
  a 54 if I can get the bars up high enough to run drops.

  On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote:
   That diagonal - I wish he did it like the original Breezer's. That would 
   be
   cool.
   On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:00 PM, doug peterson wrote:

Interesting, yes; but also weird looking (the Hunqa).  This diagonal
thing strikes me as a solution in search of a problem.  My Atlantis
has been thoroughly over-loaded, abused, misused and otherwise
subjected to loading indignities, and it hasn't complained, bent or
broken.  Ami I missing something here?

dougP

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Interesting.

   http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-27 Thread cyclotourist
Hey Ian, great to hear you have one in route!  I'm 6ft, and thinking the 54
would be best, especially if the TT is a bit longer than originally planned
(that was a mentioned change).  The 58 gives long enough reach and ability
to get the bars up real high, but would have very minimal stand-over which I
need for those off-camber trail dabs!  Plus the 54 doesn't have the
horizontal tube, which isn't terrible, just unnecessary for me.

So yeah, post away when you get it, it'll be great to see!

Thanks!
David


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 I'm 5'11, I ordered a 54 Hunq, and I'm going to put drops on it.
 Once I have it, I'll post pictures and take measurements if you like.

 On Aug 28, 10:43 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm intrigued.  For those of you following along at home, I bought a
 Karate
  Monkey on the cheap, but might be persuaded to trade it in to get a Hunq.
  I'm between sizes, and both 54  58 have compromises for me.  Leaning
 toward
  a 54 if I can get the bars up high enough to run drops.
 
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com
 wrote:
   That diagonal - I wish he did it like the original Breezer's. That
 would be
   cool.
   On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:00 PM, doug peterson wrote:
 
Interesting, yes; but also weird looking (the Hunqa).  This diagonal
thing strikes me as a solution in search of a problem.  My Atlantis
has been thoroughly over-loaded, abused, misused and otherwise
subjected to loading indignities, and it hasn't complained, bent or
broken.  Ami I missing something here?
 
dougP
 
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Interesting.
 
   
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqa and SO update on Riv site!

2010-08-27 Thread cyclotourist
Agreed.  Nothing wrong with discs, probably even better for loaded descents
(heat), but weaker wheels and over-built forks don't intrigue me too much.
V-brakes really stop pretty darn good.  So do cantis for that matter! :-)

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:04 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

 Disc brakes come with good and bad, I have been an advocate, but I
 think the dishing of the wheels from the left side opens up greater
 inherent weaknesses.  If the canti brakes are not enough, or the flex
 in the stays is a bit much you can always throw a booster arch on it.
 It is not like you could overbuild the thing any more.

 The simple one does seem good in concept, it will be interesting to
 see where the price falls for tiwan stuff, makes me regret not
 grabbing a quickbean in any color, kept hoping something better than
 silver would be next.

 Rob

 On Aug 27, 8:54 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  I like the Diagonal tube... but the 54 is the best fit for me, which
  has a single top tube.still thinking a disc brake would be a good
  thing with those big fat tires too.
 
  I'm more interested in the Simpleone at this point. I'll have to wait
  until later next week to see what's under the wrapping.  I'm OK
  waiting as I'm driving up to the Bay area to pick up my new to me
  green Ram.
 
  ~Mike~
 
  On Aug 27, 8:43 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   I'm intrigued.  For those of you following along at home, I bought a
 Karate
   Monkey on the cheap, but might be persuaded to trade it in to get a
 Hunq.
   I'm between sizes, and both 54  58 have compromises for me.  Leaning
 toward
   a 54 if I can get the bars up high enough to run drops.
 
   On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com
 wrote:
That diagonal - I wish he did it like the original Breezer's. That
 would be
cool.
On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:00 PM, doug peterson wrote:
 
 Interesting, yes; but also weird looking (the Hunqa).  This
 diagonal
 thing strikes me as a solution in search of a problem.  My Atlantis
 has been thoroughly over-loaded, abused, misused and otherwise
 subjected to loading indignities, and it hasn't complained, bent or
 broken.  Ami I missing something here?
 
 dougP
 
 On Aug 27, 7:29 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting.
 

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