[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I heard/read this advice from a unremembered source. They said to use a good U-Lock AND a good cable/chain lock. The logic being that the tools methods required to defeat a u-lock were different from a chain/cable lock and that few bicycle thieves would carry both. Angus On Jan 29, 1:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper than buying a Krypto mini. I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the privacy to do so. I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right postioning, no? I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is the choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as the K NY Fuggedaboutit mini, which one site claimed withstood the leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' bar and which costs over $100. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
...and the abus monobloc like this:http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg I have that chain but a different pad lock. Only downside is the weight. Patrick's solution - living the device on a rack you frequent - is the best if practical where you ride. Somewhat difficult in my area because there are so many cyclists and so few racks. I use the lock and chain on a bike in my storage room. If a miscreant ever managed to get through the main door and my room door, h/she would find an even more formidable security device to defeat. On Jan 29, 1:29 pm, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: ...and the abus monobloc like this:http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: I like this abus padlock: http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=55os... the kryptonite fah mini u-lock can be had on ebay for about 60 bucks w/ free shipping. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote: Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper than buying a Krypto mini. I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the privacy to do so. I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right postioning, no? I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is the choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as the K NY Fuggedaboutit mini, which one site claimed withstood the leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' bar and which costs over $100. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com CHAIN LOCK.jpg 56KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com CHAIN LOCK.jpg 56KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper than buying a Krypto mini. I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the privacy to do so. I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right postioning, no? I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is the choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as the K NY Fuggedaboutit mini, which one site claimed withstood the leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' bar and which costs over $100. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group,
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
...and the abus monobloc like this: http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: I like this abus padlock: http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=55osCsid=832d37331810725de9d718c1f60aefb0 the kryptonite fah mini u-lock can be had on ebay for about 60 bucks w/ free shipping. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote: Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper than buying a Krypto mini. I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the privacy to do so. I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right postioning, no? I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is the choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as the K NY Fuggedaboutit mini, which one site claimed withstood the leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' bar and which costs over $100. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com CHAIN LOCK.jpg 56KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Thanks -- for some reason, my Mac's Quicktime won't play wmv's. Have downloaded one and will try various apps. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I watched it; pretty impressive! Thanks. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:07 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks -- for some reason, my Mac's Quicktime won't play wmv's. Have downloaded one and will try various apps. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I used to have a mid-to-high end mini U-lock from Kryptonite (something 2000), and the smallest SOMA U-lock. The Soma is slightly bigger, and thus gets around more posts, and works better with bikes that have more space between front tire and downtube than racers, but still fits in a pants' back pocket. BUT the biggest reason I much prefer the SOMA is that after the Bic Pen debacle, which I heard about only a few months after the fact, Kryptonite told me tough sh*t, no more replacements, while SOMA let me buy a new cross beam with 3 new keys for $5. Last I checked, they were still selling the upgrade crossbeams. What a great, Rivish solution to the problem! Here in Thailand I just lock the front wheel to the frame. In the US I lock the rear wheel to a post like Sheldon, and if I park it longer I remove the front wheel and lock it with the U lock as well, though I think my new fenders may make that awkward. Gernot On Jan 26, 5:23 am, jsk jeff...@lightsideps.com wrote: I use a Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboudit, which, is too small for most street poles. Because of this I just use it to lock the frame to whatever I can get it to fit around. I combine that with a pair of VO Anti-Theft Skewers (a great bargain at $15.00) and a 4' Kryptonite cable just for securing my saddle (if I'm feeling paranoid). I look at it this way: 1. Think Positive 2. If the man with the van and power tools is coming for your bicycle then, well, it's all over at that point no matter what you do. And, btw, I'm in New York City. jsk On Jan 25, 1:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I had a feeling that locking to only the wheel could be very vulnerable, good to have my paranoia validated! I also use the kryptonite mini on my Quickbeam, and lock the frame to that (usually rear seat stay, main/seat stay if rack calls for it) in addition to using a Pitlock on the front Schmidt dynowheel and seatpost. My rear is a 6mm Phil track hub and I usually leave that unlocked, but I may look into the previously mentioned anti-theft skewer for solid axles. My bike is usually locked up at a college campus with low threat potential or other very visible locations where it doesn't stay for long. The pitlocks are really fantastically well made and I'd highly recommend them, despite the high price. The other cheap anti-theft device I use by Zefal is low-quality and generally annoying (have to turn bike upside down and tap bolt to undo). I use to use the ABUS cable locl Riv sells, but I'm almost relieved I lost that as it may have provided a false sense of security. The Bordo locks are intriguing, but I've hard the rivets are a weak point. On Jan 25, 9:43 pm, Mark in Melbourne mbi...@gmail.com wrote: I commute in Melbourne, Australia, where I think the risk of theft is moderate. I love the Kryptonite Mini, for its strength, size and weight, compared to other U locks. I used to use the Sheldon method, until I saw this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fLtdZyX-A I think Sheldon got this one wrong, proving simultaneously that he was both human and a God Amongst Men. I also use a 6' cable through the wheels and saddle, and if the situation warrants, secure this with a separate padlock. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Yeah, I suspect those rivets are a weak point, structurally speaking. I can't assert that the plate-lock style (OnGuard has one and Abus has three) lock is as good as the best systems available (take your pick... heavy heavy chain? well-designed 1 cable lock? tiny tough U- lock?). But... I feel okay about it. It's a trade-off between what I am willing to carry/use vs. theft-defense. I also agree that the pitlocks seem great. Again, they aren't invulnerable. But you're talking about going to a lot of trouble to take just a wheel, even a SON or Phil wheel. And I agree that the Zefal turn-it-over things are not all that. I used them for a couple of months before I came to the conclusion that turning a bike over is a *helluva* lot of trouble if you care at all about anything attached to your handlebar. Plus they didn't always work readily, especially when it's cold outside. A couple of times I felt like it simply wasn't going to work after minutes of smacking at it. I'm more confident I'll have my pitlock pit and a 14mm wrench with me than I am that the Zefals skewer mechanisms will work at any given time. I do *not* recommend the Zefals. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jan 26, 2:54 pm, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I had a feeling that locking to only the wheel could be very vulnerable, good to have my paranoia validated! I also use the kryptonite mini on my Quickbeam, and lock the frame to that (usually rear seat stay, main/seat stay if rack calls for it) in addition to using a Pitlock on the front Schmidt dynowheel and seatpost. My rear is a 6mm Phil track hub and I usually leave that unlocked, but I may look into the previously mentioned anti-theft skewer for solid axles. My bike is usually locked up at a college campus with low threat potential or other very visible locations where it doesn't stay for long. The pitlocks are really fantastically well made and I'd highly recommend them, despite the high price. The other cheap anti-theft device I use by Zefal is low-quality and generally annoying (have to turn bike upside down and tap bolt to undo). I use to use the ABUS cable locl Riv sells, but I'm almost relieved I lost that as it may have provided a false sense of security. The Bordo locks are intriguing, but I've hard the rivets are a weak point. On Jan 25, 9:43 pm, Mark in Melbourne mbi...@gmail.com wrote: I commute in Melbourne, Australia, where I think the risk of theft is moderate. I love the Kryptonite Mini, for its strength, size and weight, compared to other U locks. I used to use the Sheldon method, until I saw this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fLtdZyX-A I think Sheldon got this one wrong, proving simultaneously that he was both human and a God Amongst Men. I also use a 6' cable through the wheels and saddle, and if the situation warrants, secure this with a separate padlock. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
The Bordo locks are intriguing, but I've hard the rivets are a weak point. Have you held a Bordo in your hand? It is German made industrial strength. Even if the thief had a high impact power tool (just happened to be walking down the street with my pneumatic punch) the rivets are so tough the Bordo would have to be set on something hard in order for the punch to do anything other than knock the Bordo around. Abus are head and shoulders above the competition. On Jan 26, 2:54 pm, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I had a feeling that locking to only the wheel could be very vulnerable, good to have my paranoia validated! I also use the kryptonite mini on my Quickbeam, and lock the frame to that (usually rear seat stay, main/seat stay if rack calls for it) in addition to using a Pitlock on the front Schmidt dynowheel and seatpost. My rear is a 6mm Phil track hub and I usually leave that unlocked, but I may look into the previously mentioned anti-theft skewer for solid axles. My bike is usually locked up at a college campus with low threat potential or other very visible locations where it doesn't stay for long. The pitlocks are really fantastically well made and I'd highly recommend them, despite the high price. The other cheap anti-theft device I use by Zefal is low-quality and generally annoying (have to turn bike upside down and tap bolt to undo). I use to use the ABUS cable locl Riv sells, but I'm almost relieved I lost that as it may have provided a false sense of security. The Bordo locks are intriguing, but I've hard the rivets are a weak point. On Jan 25, 9:43 pm, Mark in Melbourne mbi...@gmail.com wrote: I commute in Melbourne, Australia, where I think the risk of theft is moderate. I love the Kryptonite Mini, for its strength, size and weight, compared to other U locks. I used to use the Sheldon method, until I saw this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fLtdZyX-A I think Sheldon got this one wrong, proving simultaneously that he was both human and a God Amongst Men. I also use a 6' cable through the wheels and saddle, and if the situation warrants, secure this with a separate padlock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Those hardened chains are pretty tough to cut. After the Portland NAHBS there was a video demonstrating how hard it is to cut thick chain with bolt cutters. Some of the wild and crazy Portlanders chained their bikes on a barricade or something the hall managers wanted to keep clear. The video shows a security guard with big honking bolt cutters cutting through some U-Locks as though they were butter. When he gets to the hardened chain he huffs and puffs but cannot blow the chain apart. The down side to hardened chain of course is their weight. Your solution is an elegant one, especially if you leave your bike frequently some place where there is not a lot of competition at the rack. I've thought of doing the same here in Chicago. It would be great to have that level of protection without having to lug the chain and lock around. Problem is unless I beat other riders to the rack, my chain will be under the wheels of a bunch of other bikes and I would have to collect it and go looking for another lock. On Jan 26, 5:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Good to know; may just get me a few more to scatter 'round the city. Moving on to wholly unrelated matters -- and this is addressed to y'all, not just to JM or MJ: riding home today on my newly Berthoud be-fendered #3 Riv custom fixie, I stopped to piss (it's a perfectly normal word, don't twist the knickers) in the very kindly, CABQ-provided pissoirs at the Alameda/RG Rec Path trailhead. I arrived with another fellow in full kit with road bike. I brazenly rode the Riv on its 200 gram, 22 mm Turbos, over the dirt to the portapissers and did my thing. As I was leaving, I saw fellow cyclist carrying his bike the 60 feet or so back to the pavement of the parking lot before he got back on it. I called out, good naturedly, It will roll! but he didn't seem to get it. I suppose he was afraid of goatheads but heck, my Turbos are more fragile and lighter than anything he can be riding. And one more thing: I've not been on a Riv for a month or so: have not ridden much, and such riding as I've done has been on the Motobecane and the Fargo. For the 100th time, at least, the Riv was, once again, a revelation: fit, fit and fit, not to mention handling -- quicker than the nicely handling Motobecane, with those tiny, 1500 gr wheels, but a wonderful quickness. And it fit so, so so nicely, even to this almost-56-year-old body that is so stiff that it can't get within 5 of its toes (plan to take up yoga soon, God willing). Bars 5 cm below saddle. Thankyou again, Grant. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:44 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Those hardened chains are pretty tough to cut. After the Portland NAHBS there was a video demonstrating how hard it is to cut thick chain with bolt cutters. Some of the wild and crazy Portlanders chained their bikes on a barricade or something the hall managers wanted to keep clear. The video shows a security guard with big honking bolt cutters cutting through some U-Locks as though they were butter. When he gets to the hardened chain he huffs and puffs but cannot blow the chain apart. The down side to hardened chain of course is their weight. Your solution is an elegant one, especially if you leave your bike frequently some place where there is not a lot of competition at the rack. I've thought of doing the same here in Chicago. It would be great to have that level of protection without having to lug the chain and lock around. Problem is unless I beat other riders to the rack, my chain will be under the wheels of a bunch of other bikes and I would have to collect it and go looking for another lock. On Jan 26, 5:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
one solution: cut the chain by 2/3 or so (length of a mini u-lock). carry in pannier/handlebar bag/etc. find a shop with a plasma cutter and give 'em a 12 pack of something tasty. these guys will cut the chain to size, if requested: http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=54osCsid=84c016be71edc6bb9c1b14ae333a43a3 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:44 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Those hardened chains are pretty tough to cut. After the Portland NAHBS there was a video demonstrating how hard it is to cut thick chain with bolt cutters. Some of the wild and crazy Portlanders chained their bikes on a barricade or something the hall managers wanted to keep clear. The video shows a security guard with big honking bolt cutters cutting through some U-Locks as though they were butter. When he gets to the hardened chain he huffs and puffs but cannot blow the chain apart. The down side to hardened chain of course is their weight. Your solution is an elegant one, especially if you leave your bike frequently some place where there is not a lot of competition at the rack. I've thought of doing the same here in Chicago. It would be great to have that level of protection without having to lug the chain and lock around. Problem is unless I beat other riders to the rack, my chain will be under the wheels of a bunch of other bikes and I would have to collect it and go looking for another lock. On Jan 26, 5:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Howdy. I commute on either a Bleriot or Atlantis, and face these issues regularly, locking my bike up on the ground floor of a parking garage adjacent to my building in a downtown area. There's a roof, but it's open on two sides, and easily accessed from the sidewalk; a fixie fellow had his unit nicked by a wayward snips-armed junkie that cut a cable lock, dropping his works in the process. So theft is a concern. Both bikes have some wheel-removal-impedance measures, one with the zephyr locks that Rivendell offers, the kind where you have to invert the bike to get the wheels off, the other with skewers that require a special wrench, pit-lock style, on offer from Velo Orange. I have the mini-cable that runs around the saddle supports, so taking off the saddle and/or seat-post would take at least an allen wrench, some initiative, and additional time. I carry the cable lock Rivendell sells -- it's very good -- and also keep a u-lock on the rack, which stays there full-time. I rely on the skewers to keep my front wheel on. I lock the rear wheel and frame with u-lock and cable lock to the rack, making sure that the lock attaches in the triangle, per Sheldon. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html I've zip-tied on the bags that don't come off (that's the Keven's and Li'l Loafer on the Atlantis) to discourage the laziest of thieves. On the Bleriot, I use the Nitto saddlebag grip thing RBW sells to take off the Sackville Medium Saddlesack and carry it into the building, it works very well. And I think good thoughts. Rick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
When I'm out and about using a U-lock, the Sheldon Brown method is my preferred choice. Do have the luxury of having Pitlocks for the wheels available and will use them in appropriate situations. At work, I use the Kryptonite New York lock. However, it does stay on the rack in the garage. A heavy sucker to tote around. For riding in DC I'd think that should suffice. Although if you wanted to also throw a cable lock around the front wheel, that couldn't hurt. Also, will take the bags off the bike when commuting. In fact, in my more paranoid moments, will only use one bottle cage. Just one lest thing to tempt. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 25, 2:00 pm, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: Howdy. I commute on either a Bleriot or Atlantis, and face these issues regularly, locking my bike up on the ground floor of a parking garage adjacent to my building in a downtown area. There's a roof, but it's open on two sides, and easily accessed from the sidewalk; a fixie fellow had his unit nicked by a wayward snips-armed junkie that cut a cable lock, dropping his works in the process. So theft is a concern. Both bikes have some wheel-removal-impedance measures, one with the zephyr locks that Rivendell offers, the kind where you have to invert the bike to get the wheels off, the other with skewers that require a special wrench, pit-lock style, on offer from Velo Orange. I have the mini-cable that runs around the saddle supports, so taking off the saddle and/or seat-post would take at least an allen wrench, some initiative, and additional time. I carry the cable lock Rivendell sells -- it's very good -- and also keep a u-lock on the rack, which stays there full-time. I rely on the skewers to keep my front wheel on. I lock the rear wheel and frame with u-lock and cable lock to the rack, making sure that the lock attaches in the triangle, per Sheldon. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html I've zip-tied on the bags that don't come off (that's the Keven's and Li'l Loafer on the Atlantis) to discourage the laziest of thieves. On the Bleriot, I use the Nitto saddlebag grip thing RBW sells to take off the Sackville Medium Saddlesack and carry it into the building, it works very well. And I think good thoughts. Rick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Well, if you want Riv-ish bike security I'd say a leather strap, a piece of wool tweed, and a few zip ties would do the trick :-p -Pete On Jan 25, 1:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
So it sounds like the overall consensus is Pitlock to secure the wheels, u-lock to secure the bike with a cable if you need to secure the ancillary stuff. Does anyone know if the pitlock system works with bolt-on hubs? my phil rear has 6MM bolts securing it instead of a QR. Anyone done the switch in this case? On Jan 25, 5:12 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
If you have a solid axle, you need to go with these: http://www.urbanbiketech.com/category-s/26.htm On Jan 25, 4:52 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So it sounds like the overall consensus is Pitlock to secure the wheels, u-lock to secure the bike with a cable if you need to secure the ancillary stuff. Does anyone know if the pitlock system works with bolt-on hubs? my phil rear has 6MM bolts securing it instead of a QR. Anyone done the switch in this case? On Jan 25, 5:12 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I use a different Abus Bordo (also for Chicago, and surrounding suburban train stations) for my Hillborne... the one I use is the Bordo 6500. It is a keyed lock (the other Bordo locks have both keyed and combination versions). Amazon actually sells the 6500. I have a Pitlock skewer in the front and a VO frame lock on the back. I leash my saddle to the VO frame lock. One of these days I'm going to Pitlock my seatpost too. But it is a little tricky with the frame-integrated saddle collar to make the Pitlock skewer work well. I just haven't bothered yet. Abus says that the Bordo 6500 is in the same league as the best Abus locks. I don't put too much stock in various lock categorizations, though. My purely gut feel is that all the Bordo locks have a weird factor that makes me feel better about it. The 6500 is hefty in a way that makes me like it. So, I'm happy with it. I use a less-hefty Bordo 6000 (also a link-plate lock like the 6500) on my hybrid (and also have the Pitlock in the front and VO frame lock in the back). On the hybrid I do have a Pitlocked saddle clamp skewer, through which I leash the saddle. In that scenario, the saddle *and* seatpost have some measure of the protection. On my Hillborne, a couple of allen keys and some time will get a nice seatpost. The saddle will require cutting a cable or defeating or destroying a lock. Admittedly, the frame lock is a flimsy one as locks go. When I got back into biking a few years ago, I got the Bordo 6000 for my hybrid (at the time I had no Hillborne) because it was easy to store on the bike, didn't require me to work a combination with frozen hands in the winter, and allowed me to store the key in the lock when the bike rests in my reasonably secure garage (I store the key in the VO frame lock as well). I didn't really choose it because it was a certain type or a certain price or a certain material. It seems strong enough for normal purposes. I believe it's way better than a department store cable or U-lock. I assume it isn't as good as a high quality U-lock, chain, or cable. But... I don't have to remember to bring anything for a basic ride; I just go. I was glad to discover that Abus had an obviously stronger version when I got my Hillborne; I'd gotten used to the convenience. In the suburbs for short stops, I generally just lock the frame lock and take the keys to both locks. Along the lines of zip-tying bags to the bike... I actually use a small luggage lock on the zipper and another on one of the leather straps for the bags I leave on my bike. I know it's not that big a deterrent. But hey... and completely naked bag literally *begs* to be taken. If someone took my stay-on-the-bike bag, I'd feel completely silly. Of *course* they took it... it was *designed* to be removed easily! At least with what I do, I know they had to destroy or defeat *something* in order the get the bag or its contents. At least it was some (perhaps tiny) risk for the miscreant. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jan 25, 4:12 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
For everyday (and the occasional, random overnight) Quickbeam parking in downtown Denver I use Pitlocks on the front dyno wheel and seatpost, the smallest Kryptonite U-lock (orange one), and a beeswax/ ball bearing combo crammed into the head of the saddle attachment bolt and the stem bolt. I also leave the uber-useful Large Sackville SaddleSack on the bike at all times, secured with a confusing combo of cables, luggage locks, and zipties. -Jay B. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I commute in Melbourne, Australia, where I think the risk of theft is moderate. I love the Kryptonite Mini, for its strength, size and weight, compared to other U locks. I used to use the Sheldon method, until I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fLtdZyX-A I think Sheldon got this one wrong, proving simultaneously that he was both human and a God Amongst Men. I also use a 6' cable through the wheels and saddle, and if the situation warrants, secure this with a separate padlock. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
the solid axle pitlocks will not work. different threading. the best option is simply to replace the solid axle with a hollow one -- very simple with a phil hub -- and then use a standard pitlock or locking skewer. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If you have a solid axle, you need to go with these: http://www.urbanbiketech.com/category-s/26.htm On Jan 25, 4:52 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So it sounds like the overall consensus is Pitlock to secure the wheels, u-lock to secure the bike with a cable if you need to secure the ancillary stuff. Does anyone know if the pitlock system works with bolt-on hubs? my phil rear has 6MM bolts securing it instead of a QR. Anyone done the switch in this case? On Jan 25, 5:12 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I use a Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboudit, which, is too small for most street poles. Because of this I just use it to lock the frame to whatever I can get it to fit around. I combine that with a pair of VO Anti-Theft Skewers (a great bargain at $15.00) and a 4' Kryptonite cable just for securing my saddle (if I'm feeling paranoid). I look at it this way: 1. Think Positive 2. If the man with the van and power tools is coming for your bicycle then, well, it's all over at that point no matter what you do. And, btw, I'm in New York City. jsk On Jan 25, 1:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
