subject:"\[RBW\] Appaloosa Purple Prose"

Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-10 Thread Patrick Moore

Late to this rather fascinating discussion. Oh no, that was no
unintentional oversight, that was a conscience in poor working order. I
have to credit the seller though for the quality of his purple prose; he
could get a good job in marketing, not just for the writing but for the
spin and the magnificent keyword list.

More seriously, what a bad fate for such a pretty bike.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:48 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> ... Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
>

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-06 Thread Mr. Ray

Question for the frame building experts.  Obviously the damaged frame 
wasn't repaired by replacing the bent tubes with new tubes etc...  So, what 
method was used to straighten the bent tubes and re-align the frame?  Had 
the frame been properly fixed by replacing the damaged tubes from the lugs 
and then repainted (i.e a different color) this thread wouldn't exist. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:11:31 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I love my Appaloosa and all but the all-caps throttle of WHAT OEN SOLD FOR 
> ON EBAY is too much. All this copy and no build list? 
>
> Matthew, should have said so sooner, but I'm sorry you received a bike in 
> this state and for the agony, annoyance and trauma of having to sort it all 
> out. 
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:08:31 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, 
>> inverted, squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, 
>> steel is really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 
>>
>> It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several 
>> readers here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks 
>> Matthew for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 
>>
>> That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
>> as if there were any doubt. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
 and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a 
 deal! 
 So uncool. 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who 
> is looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>
> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>
> Here's how it went:
>
>
> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>
> **he replies immediately**
>
> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted 
> you to ask that?
>
> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's 
> my opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. 
> Especially 
> for the price you're asking.
>
>
> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the 
> following two messages.*
>
> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>
> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they 
> said 
> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>
>
> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>
> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>
>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
>> scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
>> was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it 
>> back 
>> and fixed it."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>
>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>>
>>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
>>> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
>>> the 
>>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
>>> and 
>>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
>>> the 
>>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while 
>>> I 
>>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent 
>>> it.
>>>
>>>

Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-06 Thread Eric Marth

I love my Appaloosa and all but the all-caps throttle of WHAT OEN SOLD FOR 
ON EBAY is too much. All this copy and no build list? 

Matthew, should have said so sooner, but I'm sorry you received a bike in 
this state and for the agony, annoyance and trauma of having to sort it all 
out. 
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:08:31 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, 
> inverted, squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, 
> steel is really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 
>
> It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several 
> readers here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks 
> Matthew for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 
>
> That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
> as if there were any doubt. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> Agreed.
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
>>> and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! 
>>> So uncool. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who 
 is looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.

 The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 

 Here's how it went:

 *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?

 **he replies immediately**

 *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted 
 you to ask that?

 *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
 opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
 for the price you're asking.

 *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the 
 following two messages.*

 *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx

 *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
 appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
 talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
 listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
 what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they 
 said 
 is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
 thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John

 The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
 interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
 read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 

 I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
> scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
> was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back 
> and fixed it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
>> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
>> the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
>> and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
>> the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>
>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
>> rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
>> ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>
>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-06 Thread Eric Marth

Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, inverted, 
squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, steel is 
really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 

It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several readers 
here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks Matthew 
for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 

That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
as if there were any doubt. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

>
> Agreed.
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
>> and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! 
>> So uncool. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
>>> looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>>>
>>> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>>>
>>> Here's how it went:
>>>
>>>
>>> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>>>
>>> **he replies immediately**
>>>
>>> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you 
>>> to ask that?
>>>
>>> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
>>> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
>>> for the price you're asking.
>>>
>>>
>>> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
>>> two messages.*
>>>
>>> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>>>
>>> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
>>> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
>>> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
>>> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
>>> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said 
>>> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
>>> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>>>
>>>
>>> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
>>> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
>>> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>>>
>>> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:

 "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
 scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
 was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back 
 and fixed it."




 On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."

 Well that's one way to put it! 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
> tried to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
> the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
> and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
> the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
> rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
> ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>
>
>
>  


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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-06 Thread Luke Hendrickson


Agreed.
On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, and 
> we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! So 
> uncool. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
>> looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>>
>> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>>
>> Here's how it went:
>>
>>
>> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>>
>> **he replies immediately**
>>
>> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you 
>> to ask that?
>>
>> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
>> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
>> for the price you're asking.
>>
>>
>> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
>> two messages.*
>>
>> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>>
>> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
>> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
>> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
>> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
>> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said 
>> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
>> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>>
>>
>> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
>> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
>> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>>
>> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>>
>>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
>>> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
>>> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
>>> it."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>>
>>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
 tried to capture the bent ends.

 With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
 it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
 the 
 original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
 from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
 the 
 chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
 waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
 confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.

 [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
 rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
 rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
 rear_full_3607.jpg]

 Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
 ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.

 [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]



  
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, and 
we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! So 
uncool. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
> looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>
> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>
> Here's how it went:
>
>
> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>
> **he replies immediately**
>
> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you 
> to ask that?
>
> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
> for the price you're asking.
>
>
> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
> two messages.*
>
> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>
> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said 
> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>
>
> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>
> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>
>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
>> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
>> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
>> it."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>
>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>>
>>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. 
>>> I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>>
>>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>>
>>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>>
>>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Jon Freeman

Hello,

I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.

The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 

Here's how it went:

*Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?

**he replies immediately**

*Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you to 
ask that?

*Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
for the price you're asking.

*I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
two messages.*

*Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx

*Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally appropriate 
and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to talk about it 
in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the listing. It’s 
hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious what someone 
posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said is. Is there 
any way you can forward me the significant part of that thread? I’d really 
appreciate it. Thx John

The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 

I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. 
>> I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>
>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>
>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

I know! I was responding to Matthew, too, plus just having my Deep Thought 
about all the things. Joe Bernard, Deep Thinker! 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:19:44 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I was pulling your pant leg...yank, yank
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:16:40 PM MST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Most Riv owners know this site, I imagine he's seen the thread. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
> Joe told him![image: Emoji]
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
>  . . . and the ad’s been deleted.
>
> Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the 
> damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
>
> Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to 
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!!!
>
> I love my country...
>
> Scott in frozen ground Montana
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> It wasn't me! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
> to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

I was pulling your pant leg...yank, yank

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:16:40 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

Most Riv owners know this site, I imagine he's seen the thread.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

Joe told him!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams
wrote:

. . . and the ad’s been deleted.
Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.

On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch
wrote:
I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the
damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to preempt
more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
Happy Holidays everyone!!!
I love my country...
Scott in frozen ground Montana

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

It wasn't me!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
"This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches but
please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, but a very
reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed it."

On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
Well that's one way to put it!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried to
capture the bent ends.
With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I know
it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the original ad
photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and from the build
components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the chainstay wrap,
and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I waited for BikeFlights
to process my claim, and from the seller's confirmation he obtained the bike
from the non-profit to which I sent it.

Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. Note
the touchup paint on the fork.

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

Most Riv owners know this site, I imagine he's seen the thread. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> Joe told him![image: Emoji]
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
>  . . . and the ad’s been deleted.
>
> Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the 
> damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
>
> Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to 
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!!!
>
> I love my country...
>
> Scott in frozen ground Montana
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> It wasn't me! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
> to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Joe told him!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams
wrote:

. . . and the ad’s been deleted.
Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

It wasn't me!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
Well that's one way to put it!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. Note
the touchup paint on the fork.

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Matthew Williams

 . . . and the ad’s been deleted.

Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.



> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the 
> damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
> 
> Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to 
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
> 
> Happy Holidays everyone!!!
> 
> I love my country...
> 
> Scott in frozen ground Montana
> 
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It wasn't me! 
> 
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
> 
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches but 
> please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, but a 
> very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed it."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>> 
>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>> 
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
>> to capture the bent ends.
>> 
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
>> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the
damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to preempt
more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
Happy Holidays everyone!!!
I love my country...
Scott in frozen ground Montana

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

It wasn't me!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
Well that's one way to put it!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. Note
the touchup paint on the fork.

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

It wasn't me! 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. 
>> I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
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>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
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>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
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>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Matthew Williams

Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:

"This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches but 
please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, but a very 
reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed it."




> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
> 
> Well that's one way to put it! 
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> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
>> to capture the bent ends.
>> 
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
>> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
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>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
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[RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-04 Thread Philip Williamson


Presented without commentary. 
SFBay Craigslist 
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Fully quotated for posterity: 
“Hi, up for sale is a buttery scrumptious mustard cream super hero bike 
turned fast sold out Rivendell classic. It’s like the cosmic cool standout 
relative or friend that you just want to always be around. 
A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage but overall in great 
shape. It is size 60cm that I measure the toptube at 59cm (center to top) 
and toptube 59.5 center to center; it has 700c wheels and built light on 
the feet tho like a frickin tank. Great ride that eats up and then smiles 
on all terrains.

“If the Greek god Zeus rode a touring bike, it’d be a Rivendell and most 
likely, it’d be a Joe Appaloosa. Rivendell is straight forward with the Joe 
Appaloosa. First off, it’s named after a rather unique breed of horse, 
then, they took their two most famous touring bikes, the Sam Hillborne and 
the Hunqapillar, combined them and made one bad-ass road touring bike. 
These bikes are confidence-inspiring works of art, chiseled from stone and 
as timeless, or legendary as mythology. Ok, maybe that was too much… 
They’re just damn sexy!

“Those frames scream fully-loaded confidence with a fist-sized gap between 
the rear tire and seat tube, ensuring that even if you want to dive into a 
turn, this frame will take its own, secure and smooth line. Which is great 
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“Or, to be more concise, the Appaloosa is:

“It’s not for stunts, boulder-bouncing, or loaded expeditionary off-road 
touring, but as a trail bike for sober non-yahoos who weigh less than 
215lb, it’s ideal, perfect.. That 215lb isn’t a scientifically-derived 
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than Sam’s and lighter one than Hunqapillar’s.”

“For $2,250 complete, this bike could be yours and you’d have one of the 
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