Re: [RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-04 Thread Patrick Moore 
Note too that with Orange Seal or any other sealant I've used, if you get a
bigger hole from glass or nail that the sealant can't seal, you'll have a
mess and a tube that you can't patch -- a downside of using sealant. But I
find that these sorts of punctures are so rare that a spare tube (with
sealant installed; or dry, but with a small bottle of the stuff) and a pump
is adequate protection.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> FWIW, you can remove the cores from valves that are not "removable". Just
> use pliers to remove the core locknut; let the core fall into the tube
> (pinch tube under the valve stem so that it doth not disappear into the
> abyss), and squirt in your sealant. Even if the core does drop to the
> unimaginable, dark depths of the tube, it's easy to work it back into place
> with your fingers.
>
> Do you want an absolutely fool proof system against goatheads? I'll give
> you one.
>
> 1. Choose a tire with a very thick tread and a very thick thorn proof
> belt.
> 2. Add a "thorn proof" tube, the kind that is 1/3" thick on the bottom and
> weighs more than the tire.
> 3. Add a thick Mr Tuffy.
> 4. Add 4 oz of Slime.
>
> I've ridden 50 mm tires like this through literally a quarter of a mile of
> goathead vines covering pavement (ie, max force to drive into tire) and
> come out unscathed with no air loss* after several days.
>
> But! The ride was sh*t. It was like riding through cold molasses 12" deep
> in a 53 X 12 against a 40 mph headwind while sick with a 105* fever and the
> brakes locked and your saddle way too low.
>
> * The air cavity in thorn proof tubes is very small, what with the
> excessively thick tube walls.
>
> Back in the day, our local roadies adhered to "the system" which included
> lining your skinny racing tire with another racing tire from which you'd
> cut the beads. Seriously. Me, I found Kojaks and Michelin Pro Races and
> 5-10 flats a week easier to deal with.
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 11:23 AM, WETH  wrote:
>
>> Patricks and Tim,
>> Thanks for the info.  I'll do some reading on Orange Seal and tubes with
>> removable valve cores.
>> Dean,
>> I appreciate the info from your ride.  From the reading I've done, it
>> seems portions of the western section (Atkinson to Valentine) are afflicted
>> with vegetation and thorns on the trail.  Apparently a state highway runs
>> parallel to the trail in sections and is used by some riders weary of flats
>> and rougher trail surfaces.
>> Thanks,
>> Erl
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Re: [RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-04 Thread Patrick Moore 
FWIW, you can remove the cores from valves that are not "removable". Just
use pliers to remove the core locknut; let the core fall into the tube
(pinch tube under the valve stem so that it doth not disappear into the
abyss), and squirt in your sealant. Even if the core does drop to the
unimaginable, dark depths of the tube, it's easy to work it back into place
with your fingers.

Do you want an absolutely fool proof system against goatheads? I'll give
you one.

1. Choose a tire with a very thick tread and a very thick thorn proof belt.
2. Add a "thorn proof" tube, the kind that is 1/3" thick on the bottom and
weighs more than the tire.
3. Add a thick Mr Tuffy.
4. Add 4 oz of Slime.

I've ridden 50 mm tires like this through literally a quarter of a mile of
goathead vines covering pavement (ie, max force to drive into tire) and
come out unscathed with no air loss* after several days.

But! The ride was sh*t. It was like riding through cold molasses 12" deep
in a 53 X 12 against a 40 mph headwind while sick with a 105* fever and the
brakes locked and your saddle way too low.

* The air cavity in thorn proof tubes is very small, what with the
excessively thick tube walls.

Back in the day, our local roadies adhered to "the system" which included
lining your skinny racing tire with another racing tire from which you'd
cut the beads. Seriously. Me, I found Kojaks and Michelin Pro Races and
5-10 flats a week easier to deal with.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 11:23 AM, WETH  wrote:

> Patricks and Tim,
> Thanks for the info.  I'll do some reading on Orange Seal and tubes with
> removable valve cores.
> Dean,
> I appreciate the info from your ride.  From the reading I've done, it
> seems portions of the western section (Atkinson to Valentine) are afflicted
> with vegetation and thorns on the trail.  Apparently a state highway runs
> parallel to the trail in sections and is used by some riders weary of flats
> and rougher trail surfaces.
> Thanks,
> Erl
>
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[RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-04 Thread WETH 
Patricks and Tim, 
Thanks for the info.  I'll do some reading on Orange Seal and tubes with 
removable valve cores.
Dean,
I appreciate the info from your ride.  From the reading I've done, it seems 
portions of the western section (Atkinson to Valentine) are afflicted with 
vegetation and thorns on the trail.  Apparently a state highway runs parallel 
to the trail in sections and is used by some riders weary of flats and rougher 
trail surfaces.  
Thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-04 Thread iowegianor 
I'm a Nebraskan, and rode the trail from O'Neil to Norfolk last year.

I'd say your marathons will hold up for sure. I didn't encounter any goatheads, 
but not saying there isn't any. 

Kansas is a notorious state for those damn things.  When I lived down there,  I 
only had a few flats on thousands of miles of riding my Scwalbe Marathon Plus 
tires through goathead country. 

Just bring extra tubes, you'll be good. Have fun!!!

Dean

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Re: [RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-04 Thread Patrick Moore 
You don't need tubeless tires to use sealants that effectively prevent
goatheads punctures.

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:50 PM, WETH  wrote:

> My son and I plan on riding several of the country's (USA) railtrails this
> summer, including the Cowboy Trail in Nebraska.
> http://www.bikecowboytrail.com/default.aspx
>
> Previous riders of this trail have reported in online journals that there
> are thorns and "goatheads" in several sections that caused multiple flats
> or made folks happy they used tubeless tires.  I'm an Easterner who has no
> goathead experience.  I also do not run tubeless tires and do not own any
> tubeless compatible rims.  I also would rather not mess with sealant in my
> tubes.
>
> What, if any, 700x35-40 tires have proved goathead resistant with tubes
> and no sealant in the tubes? Schwalbe  Marathon Mondials?
>
> Has anyone ridden the entirety of the Cowboy Trail who can substantiate
> the severity of  goatheads along the way? Recommend tires?
>
> The Riv bikes we will be riding have Little Big Bens. Should I stick with
> those, bring a gross of tubes, and try to improve my flat fixing time?
>
> Thanks,
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
>
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[RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-04 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
In reading the product description on the Riv site for Little Big Bens, it says 
they have the KevlarGuard, which could well be enough protection. Schwalbe's 
most flat resistant would be the Marathon with SmartGuard. You might find them 
sluggish. I, too, have not gone down the sealant/tubes route, but Patrick 
squared (that's Deacon and Mr. Moore) seem to really know of what they speak 
when espousing the virtues of that setup (Mr. Moore is in goathead heaven or 
hell, depending on how you look at it.) In reading this thread, I realize that 
when I toured on Compass EL in May, had I had sealant I might well have not had 
to change to a different rear tire partway through. I had too many flats but 
none so severe that sealant wouldn't have taken care of it (I think.) 

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[RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-03 Thread Deacon Patrick 
Erl, from my limited experience with Orange Sealant in tubes, this is exactly 
the situation Patrick of the Moore’s tube goop system works for. All you need 
to buy is tubes with removable valve cores (if yours aren’t already), a valve 
core remover tool, and the Orange Sealant. No mess installing into the tubes. 
Inflate as normal. The only time I had mess was when I got a big hole flat. 
Replaced the tube and rode on. If I were doing the ride you just described, 
that is what I would do.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

2018-02-03 Thread WETH 
My son and I plan on riding several of the country's (USA) railtrails this 
summer, including the Cowboy Trail in Nebraska.  
http://www.bikecowboytrail.com/default.aspx

Previous riders of this trail have reported in online journals that there are 
thorns and "goatheads" in several sections that caused multiple flats or made 
folks happy they used tubeless tires.  I'm an Easterner who has no goathead 
experience.  I also do not run tubeless tires and do not own any tubeless 
compatible rims.  I also would rather not mess with sealant in my tubes.  

What, if any, 700x35-40 tires have proved goathead resistant with tubes and no 
sealant in the tubes? Schwalbe  Marathon Mondials?  

Has anyone ridden the entirety of the Cowboy Trail who can substantiate the 
severity of  goatheads along the way? Recommend tires? 

The Riv bikes we will be riding have Little Big Bens. Should I stick with 
those, bring a gross of tubes, and try to improve my flat fixing time?

Thanks,
Erl
Kensington, MD

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