[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
Michael - Thanks for the photos. I hadn't known you were cantilevered. Great bike BTW. What has Hiroshi had to say about the fenders? I have to be careful not to bring my credit cards with me when I go to his shop. Very nice frames. Phil B On Jun 24, 9:15 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: This bike has canti brakes and a bottom threaded seat stay bridge, you can kind of see it in the last picture in this set:http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100029 Since the crack is still quite small I have been thinking along the lines that John suggested, using either a small steel bracket on either side of the hole, or perhaps cutting a section out of the original fender. In either case I'll try Gorilla glue to avoid making any additional holes in the fender. My daughter is getting married on Saturday, so this might not happen right away. Thanks for the suggestions, Michael On Jun 24, 11:15 am, Phil B phi...@sonic.net wrote: Michael - I am unsure of the setup on your bike. Is the bridge threaded for the mounting bolt? Being on the seat stays, does the rear brake mount to the same bridge? I've had good results using rubber washers on both sides of the fender with an additional metal washer on the inside of the fender under the nut. I also setup my honjos with tension, as in no possibility of rattleing. But, I run fenders for only 4 months a year and don't generally ride a lot of jaw dropping bumpy surfaces. Phil B On Jun 23, 6:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed some unusual rattling from my rear Honjo fender today, and a close inspection revealed a crack at the seat stay bridge attachment. This one threads directly into the bridge. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
On Jun 23, 7:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed some unusual rattling from my rear Honjo fender today, and a close inspection revealed a crack at the seat stay bridge attachment. One tricky thing with installing metal fenders is getting them where you want them without putting stress on the fender. Even when you have the fender a perfect circumferance and the holes drilled in the perfect locations; tightening of the hardware at the stay ends can twist the fender and bow the stays. To correct the bowing stays, you'll need to bend each side a few inches from the clamp so the stay moves within the clamp (after loosening) without binding. Additionally, when tightening the clamp, you need to hold the clamp in place while tightening, or it will twist the drive side stay upwards and the other stay downwards, stressing the fender. This may be the one advantage of using the daruma-type bolts for stay attachment. That said, your fender failure may have nothing to do with that at all. Fender reinforcements on that section were popular back in the day, and are currently on JP Weigle's customs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353...@n00/3585634727/ You could probably repair your fender using a similar approach. Just be sure to drill a small hole at each end of the crack before doing so. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
Michael - I am unsure of the setup on your bike. Is the bridge threaded for the mounting bolt? Being on the seat stays, does the rear brake mount to the same bridge? I've had good results using rubber washers on both sides of the fender with an additional metal washer on the inside of the fender under the nut. I also setup my honjos with tension, as in no possibility of rattleing. But, I run fenders for only 4 months a year and don't generally ride a lot of jaw dropping bumpy surfaces. Phil B On Jun 23, 6:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed some unusual rattling from my rear Honjo fender today, and a close inspection revealed a crack at the seat stay bridge attachment. This one threads directly into the bridge. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
One time i was stopped at an intersection and when i started to pedal through, something grabbed the rear honjo fender stay enough to pull the fender towards the tire. The tire grabbed the rear fender and folded it up underneath itself, jamming the tire and bringing me to an immediate stop in the middle of the intersection. I had to literally drag the bike back to the shoulder. I had to rip the back half of the fender off to free the wheel so i could ride home. That was it for honjo fenders for me. Cool looking but too thin and flimsy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
When Jonnycycles did a rebuild for one of my bikes, he reinforced the stainless Berthouds. Not quite as artfully perhaps, but so far bullet proof. On Jun 24, 9:48 am, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 23, 7:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed some unusual rattling from my rear Honjo fender today, and a close inspection revealed a crack at the seat stay bridge attachment. One tricky thing with installing metal fenders is getting them where you want them without putting stress on the fender. Even when you have the fender a perfect circumferance and the holes drilled in the perfect locations; tightening of the hardware at the stay ends can twist the fender and bow the stays. To correct the bowing stays, you'll need to bend each side a few inches from the clamp so the stay moves within the clamp (after loosening) without binding. Additionally, when tightening the clamp, you need to hold the clamp in place while tightening, or it will twist the drive side stay upwards and the other stay downwards, stressing the fender. This may be the one advantage of using the daruma-type bolts for stay attachment. That said, your fender failure may have nothing to do with that at all. Fender reinforcements on that section were popular back in the day, and are currently on JP Weigle's customs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353...@n00/3585634727/ You could probably repair your fender using a similar approach. Just be sure to drill a small hole at each end of the crack before doing so. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
This bike has canti brakes and a bottom threaded seat stay bridge, you can kind of see it in the last picture in this set: http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100029 Since the crack is still quite small I have been thinking along the lines that John suggested, using either a small steel bracket on either side of the hole, or perhaps cutting a section out of the original fender. In either case I'll try Gorilla glue to avoid making any additional holes in the fender. My daughter is getting married on Saturday, so this might not happen right away. Thanks for the suggestions, Michael On Jun 24, 11:15 am, Phil B phi...@sonic.net wrote: Michael - I am unsure of the setup on your bike. Is the bridge threaded for the mounting bolt? Being on the seat stays, does the rear brake mount to the same bridge? I've had good results using rubber washers on both sides of the fender with an additional metal washer on the inside of the fender under the nut. I also setup my honjos with tension, as in no possibility of rattleing. But, I run fenders for only 4 months a year and don't generally ride a lot of jaw dropping bumpy surfaces. Phil B On Jun 23, 6:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed some unusual rattling from my rear Honjo fender today, and a close inspection revealed a crack at the seat stay bridge attachment. This one threads directly into the bridge. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
I need to correct myself about the first fender. I found the part down in the basement and it broke in exactly the same place this one did - right at the brake bridge. Michael On Jun 23, 7:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed some unusual rattling from my rear Honjo fender today, and a close inspection revealed a crack at the seat stay bridge attachment. This one threads directly into the bridge. The fender is about a year old, and has between 3 4,000 miles on it. I put a small rubber washer between the fender and the stay and a metal washer on the inside. I had another rear Honjo fender break on me with just about the same amount of milage. That one was on a different bike, and broke at the rear fender stay. I attributed that break to having installed it with a single bolt at the rear fender. This one went on with two bolts and remains quite tight at both the chain stay and fender stay. I live a couple of niles down a dirt road and this fender probably spent close to a third of its life on dirt roads. And the general condition of paved roads here in northern Vt is abysmal. There are a few sections on my daily commute that regularly rattle parts off the bike if they are not attached tightly. But the incident leaves me wondering if these Al. fenders - which I love for their good looks, their light weight, full coverage, and firm stay in place manners - are tough enough for the task. I don't expect a fender to last forever but longer than this. What have others experienced? Should I switch to steel, or revery to plastic and a big mud flap? Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Broken Fender
I had a front Honjo bust where it bolts in under the fender. This happened off road. I understand some people use an L bracket to avoid this. The Honjos on my city bike kept getting bent out of shape. Presumably from knucklehead fellow bikers at bike stands. I decided to go with Berthouds and SKS. Berthouds have a few dents, but hold their form admirably. On Jun 23, 6:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed some unusual rattling from my rear Honjo fender today, and a close inspection revealed a crack at the seat stay bridge attachment. This one threads directly into the bridge. The fender is about a year old, and has between 3 4,000 miles on it. I put a small rubber washer between the fender and the stay and a metal washer on the inside. I had another rear Honjo fender break on me with just about the same amount of milage. That one was on a different bike, and broke at the rear fender stay. I attributed that break to having installed it with a single bolt at the rear fender. This one went on with two bolts and remains quite tight at both the chain stay and fender stay. I live a couple of niles down a dirt road and this fender probably spent close to a third of its life on dirt roads. And the general condition of paved roads here in northern Vt is abysmal. There are a few sections on my daily commute that regularly rattle parts off the bike if they are not attached tightly. But the incident leaves me wondering if these Al. fenders - which I love for their good looks, their light weight, full coverage, and firm stay in place manners - are tough enough for the task. I don't expect a fender to last forever but longer than this. What have others experienced? Should I switch to steel, or revery to plastic and a big mud flap? Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
