Dear all:
1) The choice of fenders, I believe, shall be decided by the number of
sticks and branches one will encounter on a ride. When I commute in the
rain, I use my fully, long fenderd bike. I found that the long fenders that
Riv. sells are best for keeping my feet dry. The flap on my
In my opinion goose poop is way worse! It's more sloppy and GREEN. Horse
poop is more grassy and solid and less likely to splatter. (I am a nurse
who deals with a lot of poop professionally, and I have opinions)!
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:35:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm
Leah, I have no doubt you have all the skills to handle gravel riding on
your Clem based on the way you've catapulted into group riding and your
comfort with the mileage. You're strong and capable; Clem is also strong
and capable! Relax and keep pedaling (sage advice and encouragement from
RivSister Joyce! It is *so* good to hear from you. I’m glad we seem to be
on the same path - Platys for pavement and our Clems for the rough stuff.
I’m going to try your Juniper Ridge tires after I wear out these Gravel
Kings. They sound divine. Also, I could probably use your expertise about
Leah,
You are going to have so much fun!! Your Clem looks stunning, as always,
but even more ready for gravel with the new tires. I love those fenders
too. I put Rene Herse Juniper Ridge 48s on my Clem over a year ago and
what a difference! I now can ride the wet trails with confidence
Very true; narrower rims require higher pressures. Still, you can go pretty
low. My 71 mm Rangers are mounted tubeless on 24 mm OW non-tubeless Alex
rims and there's no squirm or "wrinkle" in cornering or on bumps; the tires
feel very "solid" and not mushy. Me + Monocog about 200 lb.
On Tue, Jun
I have a recent Clem and the hole is not offset.
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:33:46 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
> I don't know about the later Clems, but an issue on my OG Clementine is
> that wide tires interfere with the double kickstand. Not likely a problem
> with 650b - 48s but starting at
I don't know about the later Clems, but an issue on my OG Clementine is
that wide tires interfere with the double kickstand. Not likely a problem
with 650b - 48s but starting at about 55 (2.15") width, the tires touch the
kickstand - had to oval the mounting hole. 2.4s rubbed the kickstand very
Yes indeed, put tires as fat as fit, with pressures as low as safe on the
Clem and try it out.
And pace Jason, I gently urge that riding on surfaces other than smooth
asphalt has its own particular pleasure; even underbiking with 38s in sand
-- occasionally. But fat and soft is easier, and as
One comment I'll have to make about gravel riding is that there's nothing
worse than slogging along on a very dry and dusty road (such as we have in
abundance during this drought stricken year) and being passed by a vehicle
which leaves you covered by big clouds of dust. It's bad enough riding
I am very late to this conversation, and everything has been covered
already, but I wanted to say that even though you're not "into riding
gravel" per se, I think a big ol' set of knobby tires on the Clem is an
awesome idea (something you can take multiple steps towards, starting with
48's and
YAY! I tend to be the worrying sort and I'm very happy to hear that the
rim/tire combo will work for you. Now go ride that gravel!
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:09:14 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> All the happiness and all the joy!!! I can run what I want! I was getting
> ready
Leah,
I have own my Clem for about seven months now. I have ridden mostly on
pavement. There has been a several times that I have gone off road, mostly
dirt. I have found a completely different riding experience in handling of
my Clem. By this, I mean, my bike handles and behaves very
All the happiness and all the joy!!! I can run what I want! I was getting ready to pitch the whole project when I thought I might have to build new wheels - quite the investment for something I’m only experimenting with, plus I had dyno in my old wheelset. I’m getting 48s because I absolutely
48s are absolutely fine on Pacenti Brevets.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/gravel-myths-3-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/
https://www.renehersecycles.com/myth-18-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/
Bob E
Cranford, NJ
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 2:59:59 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
> The internal width is
The internal width is 19mm. A 48 might benefit from a slightly wider
internal width but it should be just fine with the 19. I am not an expert
in such things though.
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Can anyone here confirm that she can run 48s tubed on those
Can anyone here confirm that she can run 48s tubed on those Pacenti Brevet
rims? I checked their site and got nowhere, it shows a graph with 42 yes,
50 no. What about 48??
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
> OH! I see. I don't know enough about tubeless to
OH! I see. I don't know enough about tubeless to understand the fine
details of size vs psi, etc. I have those rims on my ProtoGallop with 42's
but I have tubes because it suits my brain better.
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:39:59 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> They are, and in the
They are, and in the myriad responses I’ve gotten (many private and some on Instagram) it has been explained to me that if I want to run 48s I have two options: 1. Run tubeless but never more than 30 psi. Or, use tubes. Or thirdly, but new wheels.Did I misunderstand? LSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11,
I was under the understanding that the current Pacenti Brevet rims are
tubeless ready.
https://pacenticycledesign.com/collections/aluminium-rims-gravel-cross/products/brevet-rim-650b-1
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 12:38:32 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> What Gil says resonates with
What Gil says resonates with me. I love how you love a Clem! All those attributes truly do make the Clem a gem. I have favored those Platys as of late, but I am going back to Clem-loving again soon. We are traveling right now, but when I get back I’m heading to the bike shop to see about putting
Brilliant! And, I concur. Similar data points.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 9, 2023, at 5:15 PM, Gill wrote:The fact that the OP’s query has already been thoroughly dealt with won’t dissuade me from chiming in on a subject near and dear (besides, if posters were not able to beat dead horses this
Thanks Rich! And Hi Gil of Gloucester (hoping to bring my blue step through
to Rockport for a week in July!, where’s the good stuff?)
When I got my Clem, there were no step through frames in size huge,
otherwise I’d have had that, and probably never grabbed at a Rosco or two..
Top tubes are
The fact that the OP’s query has already been thoroughly dealt with won’t
dissuade me from chiming in on a subject near and dear (besides, if posters
were not able to beat dead horses this forum would have dissolved years
ago). I own a Clem and ride off road, gravel/trail riding is the fourth
Kai,
My compliments on your Clem! Your portfolio of images really displays the
Clems versatility, and I might add, your creativity. An ideal bike for
NY/Brooklyn terrain.
The adjustable bottom bracket is pretty cool too:-)
Best,
Rich in ATL
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:16:23 PM UTC-4 Kainalu
Even in high desert ABQ, NM with a citywide average of 9.5", fenders are
useful and not merely ornamental; 3 of my 4 bikes have them. Our monsoon
has been coyly making an early appearance with brief (<10 minute) showers
(here they record 0.05" amounts); I put off a very short ride to
Albertson's
Piaw, , goose poop is definitely worse.
Zoology 101; geese (as do all birds) excrete their urine through the same
orifice as their stool. So, for the record, goose poop is an acidic mix of
piss and $H!T.
Use FENDERS and just say NO to bird poo!
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 4:35:01 PM
Ted, goose poop is definitely worse.
Zoology 101; geese (as do all birds) excrete their urine through the same
orifice as their stool. So, for the record, goose poop is an acidic mix of
piss and $H!T.
Use FENDERS and just say NO to bird poo!
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 4:39:52 PM UTC-4 Ted
I've really learned to love fenders (honjo/VO) even outside of rainy
season. Keeps a lot of dust and dirt off the drive train if placed
correctly, reducing wear and maintenance. Sometimes there are unavoidable
puddles or wet spots. Animal waste. Human waste. (City riding) keep bags
and
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?
Well, at the risk of seriously derailing the thread, ... that depends.
Fresh horse poop is pretty bad but it dries out quickly and then isn't a
problem. Goose poop stays
I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:30:58 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
> I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or a
> bunch of
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or a
bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky stars for fenders.
LOL, yeah, we've had no rain for a month here and the goose poop at
I mean...if I had to deal with goose poop I would bring the fenders back
quickly.
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or a
> bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky
I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or a bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky stars for fenders. I rode a club ride last night and was sprayed by the woman riding in front of me because of course she had no fenders. I envied the woman behind me, who
I used to always fender my bikes because I liked the looks but then
realized that I was never in any conditions where they were needed from a
practical sense so I changed my mind and now never use them.
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 11:04:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I need to
I need to try the Clem out on gravel; in fact, I need to find some gravel.
Our bike club has a Ride Our Routes collection that I will look into. But I
also need new tires, regardless. These are pretty worn from being my one
and only bike that got tons of covid miles.
On Sunday, June 4, 2023
I like this advice. I’m keeping my fenders. I can fit 48s under them, and I
think that’s enough. Also, I do have the breakaway tabs!
On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 4:32:34 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
> A contrarian POV from a committed Fender Freak who says if you want
> fenders - Go For
Many photos of many states of Clem H, all gravel
ready- https://photos.app.goo.gl/uxqm63W2nB5scvmg7
-Kai
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:06:54 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
> [image: PXL_20230606_164339003.jpg]
>
> This thread needs less opinions and more inpirational photos of Gravel
>
I'm not going to provide specific tire recommendations, but I ride "gravel"
and single-track quiet a bit on my Roadini. I still remember that time in
the 1990s when I was riding with Bridgestone-sponsored cyclist Eric House,
and we all showed up in the East Bay proud of ourselves for riding
I dig Ultradynamico Cava's on my clem H. I ride gravel whenever I can on my
commute.
https://ultradynamico.com/products/cava-robusto?variant=31214452768853
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 1:15:22 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I love pavement. But I’ve been on two gravel rides in the
Words of Wisdom:
"...don't overthink it too much. Just start riding and call it good!"
Well said Josiah!
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 1:16:28 PM UTC-4 Josiah Anderson wrote:
> As a counterpoint to Jim and Brendon, I think supple tires are well worth
> the money (and that's coming from a
Hi Leah,
Just to pile on a little more- I agree on removing the racks and extra
weight and getting the biggest tires that fit. Schwalbe Thunder Burts are
my go to for dirt roads and they ride well on the road too. I already
shared with you privately that I think the Platypus is a tremendous
All I can add is take along a spare tube or preferably two so "if" a tube
goes wonky it's a relatively quick swap out of tubes. Fold up the former
tube, squeezing the air out of it, put it in your bag and fix it at home at
a leisurely pace. I buy rubber cement in the reusable cans sold at
Things have been covered in great detail really not much to add other than
a +1 vote for Soma Cazaderos. Bit of a knob, solid centre line and rolls a
bit nicer than gravelkings. All the boutique tyre brands are made by
Panaracer anyway so let healthy scepticism lead your decision making.
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 12:50 PM Ted Durant wrote:
> 1. Can I keep my VO wavy fenders on a gravel bike?
>
>
> Yes, but do you really want to? They'll limit your tire choice and it'll
> sound like you're shaking a soda (pop) can (let's please not pollute the
> thread with that discussion) full
Another suggestion if you *must* use fenders on gravel is to install the
ones SKS makes out of some kind of recycled plastic material. They won't
completely eliminate the noise you get from tiny rocks being picked up by
knobby tires, but they *will* reduce it significantly over the metal ones.
My current favorite set of tires for gravel is the Panasonic-made Bruce
Gordon Rock ‘n Road, in size 700 x 43 on my Surly Cross X Check. The
largest size tire that I dare run on that Surly. BG’s are also available in
48’s in both 700 c and 650 b rims. I also don’t use fenders for fear of
A contrarian POV from a committed Fender Freak who says if you want fenders
- Go For It!
I've been riding gravel fire roads and moderate single track in the
Southern Appalachians on bikes with aluminum fenders for several years now
and would be loath to give them up, even though they
I heartily agree with Laing, above :)
Strip it down, go big with the tires. Looks like you're racked and fendered
on your other bikes.
I think Grant's emphasis on racks, bag and fenders is a suggestion for
having *one hyper-*practical bike that can handle many situations. When you
have
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:15:22 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
I love pavement. But I’ve been on two gravel rides in the last month and I
rode a Platy either time and it wasn’t my favorite for that bike. But, I
have my old 2019 52 cm Clem L, and it doesn’t have a dedicated
What I have learned from this thread: Picking tires is like picking
saddles. It's different for everybody!
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 1:15:22 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I love pavement. But I’ve been on two gravel rides in the last month and I
> rode a Platy either time and
1. Remove bags and fenders.
2. Install Rene Herse 27.5 x 2.2 Umtanum Ridge tires with Endurance casings
with tubes.
3. Ride.
Fenders and off-pavement do not play well together in my way of thinking. If
you insist on fenders, use non-knobby tires (27.5 x 48 Switchback Hills with
Endurance
@Leah - Have you tried taking the Clem out on gravel rides, as-is? I've
also got a Clem and Platy, so I'm curious to hear how you experience them
differently on the same trails.
S
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 1:15:22 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I love pavement. But I’ve
If you want a larger footprint on that bike for gravel, I'd recommend
Schwalbe Big Ben tires and add Flat Attack sealant to the tubes. Don't
over think it.
Marc
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I love pavement. But I’ve been on two gravel rides
I was thinking the exact same thing. Story; I was running Gravelking SS 27.5 x 1.9” on the Clem set up tubeless. I did not realize these were considered “supple” tires - not unlike Ultradynamico tires. I experienced a tire rupture - the casing kind of “blew up” from the inside, resulting in a
Leah, have you enjoyed your Ultradynamico Cava tires on your Platy? They just released a 27.5 x 2.2 version of the Cava that might be worth looking into for your Clem. Should give you much of the same ride quality but in a fatter, cushier package for gravel.On Jun 4, 2023, at 7:55 AM, Bicycle
Wow, I have read these responses 3 times through. Lots of suggestions and
information here, and I thank you. I had initially thought gravel riding
required knobbies but it appears that is untrue - you can run slicks. I
don’t like the idea of knobbies throwing rocks, so I’m heading away from
Gravel is my favorite surface to ride on, and I would probably be content to ride exclusively on it, if I lived in an area with an extensive network of gravel roads. This is also one reason why I love riding rail trails so much, because so many of them consist of sone type of crushed gravel.My
I'm Team Knobbies but I don't know anything, including what y'all mean when
you say a surface is gravel. I put something called Compass (Rene Herse)
Pumpkin Ridges on recently and went riding on dirt and small rocks, it was
fun. I didn't even crash!
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 1:15:22 PM
I highly recommend Thunderburts for gravel - I use them (2.1”) on my hunqa tubeless and with tubes on the Atlantis.Great tire, fast and quiet on the road, knobby for the trails. Best of both worldsMaxOn Jun 3, 2023, at 9:17 PM, Richard Rose wrote:I love my Clem L 52 on gravel! My favorite tire
I love my Clem L 52 on gravel! My favorite tire so far has been the Simworks Homage in 27.5” x 55. I had and liked Gravelking SS which were very nice set up tubeless but were too fragile resulting in a large percentage of the bike being covered in the muck. I am quite happy now running tubes with
I ran the Soma Cazadero 700c/50mm last winter/spring and loved them. I see
Soma also makes 650x50. Might be worth looking into, especially if you're
concerned about the cornering. As for the fenders, I'd just see if they can
fit the tires you want, and bail on 'em if they won't fit.
On
The go-to tire for a lot of folks riding gravel these days is a "hybrid".
Personally, I switched from my regular 32mm road tires to 35mm Bontrager
Connection Hybrids for riding on the limestone tailing trails around my
neck of the woods once they dry out and become loose and dusty gravel (as
I've fit up to 2.3 tires with flat 65's on my Clementine. The real factor
is being able to get your fender high enough for vertical clearance.
especially with V'brakes. Different V'brakes are different arm lengths.
Knobby tires really throw a lot of rocks and they ping and grind on the
inside
Most of my favorite rides tend to mix pavement, gravel, and trails (where I
am we have lots of great country roads and trails of various difficulty but
not many long stretches of gravel). My primary "gravel" bikes are a Soma
Wolverine and my Platypus. (In reality, most of my bikes end up being
YMMV here, but this is my current set up:
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I have mtb bars (bullmoose) with comfy grips (Oury) and easy-to-access
shifters along with levers set up for two-finger braking. Admittedly, my
Riv is more mtb than gravel what with 2.3” downhill 29”
I used to ride the Almanzo 100 annually and introduced many people to
gravel over the past decade or so.
The Clem should be a great bike so long as you are committed to being
upright. For big rides drops are nice to get down and out of the wind, but
not a need just to enjoy being on roads
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