[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

Roy, I've found I have BETTER climbing ability on my Appaloosa with its super-long stays. If you stay seated your weight is rearward enough for traction, and thanks to the long stays the front end doesn't want to lift. That means you don't have to lean forward as much as you would on a

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

Long chain stays usually mean a longer wheelbase which means a more comfortable ride because you’re not sitting on top of the rear wheel (think compact car vs. limo) and less climbing ability as the rider, again, is not sitting over the rear wheel. That said, use a lower gear to climb and

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

The only valid way to answer this is to ride them and find out if you like it or not. There is no amount of talking about them on the internet that can answer the question. That said, I think it's intuitive that it will improve comfort even before swinging a leg over one for the same reason

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

Here's one benefit of very long chainstays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xXRjXv_4v0 You couldn't do that on any of my road Rivs or my Sam. Patrick Moore, who used to use his right foot to brake the 24" front wheel in 28"-wheel fork on his very first build when riding the fw bike without

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

Andy Thanks for posting the U Factor article. It was good to read it and understand the thinking. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 8:49:10 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote: > The U Factor > > >

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

None whatsoever. First you have to take into consideration the whole frame design! Builders like Pino Moroni liked that the rear wheel did not move in fast skittish situations, especially downhill. On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 5:49 AM ascpgh wrote: > The U Factor >

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

The U Factor article explains the premise perfectly. The major change since that writing has been Riv having access to/getting longer and longer chainstays made. I'm glad they've pushed it to the point where we can see the actual downsides rather than just the theoretical: It's difficult in a

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

The U Factor Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ wrote: > Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", > especially

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

A ribeye and a burger denote variations of what object ? *beef* As long chainstays and shorter chainstays denote variations of what object ? *bike* These are distinctions, designations, identifiers of forms. On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 9:05:07 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote: > hot dogs

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

hot dogs vs. corn dogsOn Apr 3, 2024, at 8:54 AM, Steve wrote:How about "Spaghetti vs Macaroni" ?On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 6:21:28 AM UTC-4 Ryan Ogilvie wrote:What are long chain stays in this metaphor? :-)Sent from my mobile device. On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:26 PM, fiddl...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

How about "Spaghetti vs Macaroni" ? On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 6:21:28 AM UTC-4 Ryan Ogilvie wrote: > What are long chain stays in this metaphor? :-) > > > Sent from my mobile device. > > On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:26 PM, fiddl...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Ribeye vs Burger: both get the same job

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

How about "Chain of sausages vs Sausage patties" ? On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 6:21:28 AM UTC-4 Ryan Ogilvie wrote: > What are long chain stays in this metaphor? :-) > > > Sent from my mobile device. > > On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:26 PM, fiddl...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Ribeye vs Burger: both

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

What are long chain stays in this metaphor? :-)Sent from my mobile device. On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:26 PM, fiddl...@gmail.com wrote:Ribeye vs Burger: both get the same job done in different ways…neither is a bad way to goOn Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

Ribeye vs Burger: both get the same job done in different ways…neither is a bad way to go On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ wrote: > Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", > especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

inate* “in bike design” and problems or current >> deficiencies refer to the current bikes available. Another way of saying >> it is what “improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S. >> >> >> >> So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve &g

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

n > Behalf Of *Eric Daume > *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 8:15 PM > *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do > They Solve? > > > > If you want Riv's explanation, it's here: > > > > https://www.rivbike.com

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

8:15 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve? If you want Riv's explanation, it's here: https://www.rivbike.com/pages/why-the-long-stays-chainstay-length Eric On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:02 PM 'John

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

ups.com> *On Behalf Of *William Lindsay > *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do > They Solve? > > > > John > > > > OK so you are saying that every

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

oodstown NJ > > > > > > > > *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com < > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *William Lindsay > *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Long

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

climbing improvement appears to due to >> improved weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items. >> >> >> >> John Hawrylak >> >> Woodstown NJ >> >> >> >> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com *On >> Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of William Lindsay Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve? John OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently

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t; improved weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items. > > > > John Hawrylak > > Woodstown NJ > > > > *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com < > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay > *Sent:* Sunday, March 31,

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve? The OP asked: "What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by using long chain stays" What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"? If you can define that, perhaps I can resp

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

The OP asked: "*What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by using long chain stays"* What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"? If you can define that, perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR question marks) Bill Lindsay El