[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Smitty, I pulled the trigger on a big dummy and a Yepp Maxi. Already having a great time on it. SO much better than a trailer. My kid will put his hands on my and chats my ear off the entire time we are riding on it. - Ryan On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19:27 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
I made a comment somewhere... either on the list here or flickr... that the Appaloosa looks like a great kid hauler with its super long everything. Have fun out there, Ryan. Dummy life is grand.http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8559115759/ --Smitty On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19:27 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
I always enjoy Smitty's posts. Some of my favorites have been about riding with children. Riding with children is to me a wonder. After exploring our options - Dummy and others..., my wife and I went with a Joe Bike, a Portland assembled boxbike. It was great fun that passed too quickly. But the adventure continues, our daughters are now 7 and 10, and they are on two wheels of their own. We now ride the trails in a long line. I smile sometimes when I read the about the epic rides of others - a 100 km through somewhere... many of my rides are currently measured in blocks. I count myself as very lucky. Bob (Indianapolis) On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.comwrote: I made a comment somewhere... either on the list here or flickr... that the Appaloosa looks like a great kid hauler with its super long everything. Have fun out there, Ryan. Dummy life is grand.http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8559115759/ --Smitty On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19:27 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Savvas- What a great chronicle of amazing innovation and creativity. It's to bad it takes so long for great innovations to catch on. Someone needs to do a documentary on these guys and the revolution they started. Thanks for posting and keeping the ideas alive. On Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:07:36 PM UTC-6, Savvas wrote: Andy, Nice blog article and nice thread. If this family cycling business is a possibke direction for Riv then I don't think the thread is OT. Here's a link to a flikr set I have been accumulating of 'family cycling' far away and long ago (for some anyway): http://www.flickr.com/photos/48163544@N02/8362805783/in/set-72157632477907968 May be of some interest and perhaps inspiration... Looking back at these bikes they are rather 'Riv-ish' in their organic, make-do approach! And the people depicted were living car-free back in the '70s and '80s! Savvas On Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:49:27 AM UTC+10:30, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
GREAT STUFF, Smitty. I love your 3-seater cargo bike, but perhaps even cooler, your wife using her Betty Foy as a 'mini' cargo bike. I almost (but not quite) wish my kids were that age again... I'll have to work on the 'next' generation... Peace, BB On Friday, March 1, 2013 11:19:27 AM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
I'd like to put a word in for having the kid(s) on the back of a tandem, either a regular sized one with a kid back or a bike friday (or MTB type tandem with a lower top tube in back, or if you have the $$ or get lucky on the internet, one of the amazing periscope tandems that are made for this very purpose. Like one of the other posters, I live in a hilly rural area; and I have been pulling my kid on a first a kidback, and tandem since he was 3 1/2; and he's been putting out reasonable pedal power since (from 10 months - 3, he was in a trailer). The added power from the child is very helpful sometimes, esp as he got heavier (now at 80 lbs and 10 years old, a sprinter esp on hills), but most importantly - early lesson in there is no free ride - even those few times where I said stop pedalling and I'll pull you up the hill, or we'll walk, or whatever, he saw the relationship between effort and benefit. We've all seen kids who expect everythng to be handed to them...how are they going to understand that they have responsibility if after being hauled around until they're 7 or 8, THEN they have to start riding up those hills? Whichever tandem we've used (and here's a link to some of them), they've all been great for carrying lots of stuff besides the kid; with cheap panniers, or even better, the wald folding grocery racks / big rack + basket up front, I've hauled 60 lbs of stuff, plus kid, no problem, although we do sometimes walk up hills (there are a lot of steep grades round here (western mass / Columbia County NY). We try to ride everywhere within 10 miles. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjE7mW43 Lights, good rain gear, lots of snacks, fun destinations in addition to the hardware, feed, and grocery stores. Oh, and hey, riv content - a. bikes are riv'd out as the expression goes b. if you look closely, there's a shot of my wife's glorius in grand central in front of the Bike friday loaded up. ron in western ma On Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:07:39 AM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: My friend Madi had two kid seats on a regular bikehttp://familyride.us/2011/08/02/new-big-bag-new-small-basket/. She made it work and could cram an impressive amount of stuff on there but she eventually got a Big Dummy (frame + rack + fenders all powder coated pink). 650b would work fine on a free radical... just use disk brakes and the 700c spacers... or improvise your own spacers. Or go 650b front and 26 rear then get different size tires to make the outside diameter match. If yer wife wants to haul kids on a regular basis, she'd be better off getting an actual longtail. It could be sold in several years and she could get a sparkly new BF when the kids are on their own. Or buy the BF with the gas money saved from her riding the longtail everywhere 'cause she loves it so much. my 2 cents. I realize I started this thread, but the Riv-ness of continuing this discussion is questionable, feel free to email me direct if you want to discuss family biking. 54canoe at the mail with a G and dot com --Smitty On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:45:15 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:39:04 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a Bleriot. But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models. Also, the Betty is 650b and the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- something to do with rear brake installation, I think. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/. That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Andy, Nice blog article and nice thread. If this family cycling business is a possibke direction for Riv then I don't think the thread is OT. Here's a link to a flikr set I have been accumulating of 'family cycling' far away and long ago (for some anyway): http://www.flickr.com/photos/48163544@N02/8362805783/in/set-72157632477907968 May be of some interest and perhaps inspiration... Looking back at these bikes they are rather 'Riv-ish' in their organic, make-do approach! And the people depicted were living car-free back in the '70s and '80s! Savvas On Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:49:27 AM UTC+10:30, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Thanks for posting this Smitty...I have enjoyed reading several family riding blogs each one taking me back to the early days of family riding as I am sure is the case with some of the other old folks here. We really didn't have much in the way of resources or products to carry our kids...just thishttp://www.mudguardsandinnertubes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/il_fullxfull.278031558.jpg. I remember returning from SE Asia and feeling like I was in a diferent world when returned to KU for grad school...there were bikes everywhere, when just four years earlier there were only a small handful of us. When Cannondale came out with the Buggerhttp://www.mudguardsandinnertubes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/cannondale_1980_catalog_145.jpgin the earlier '70s things started to change, we bought one right away and soon had a small group of young families who loved to ride like us joining us on weekend bugger rides. We were all hopeful that some day moving around by bike would not be sen as an oddity but rather a normal and sensible way of travel. Our kids had the same sense of excitement as we pulled them around behind us as I have read about other families with their long tails. All of you young families are doing more in your everyday kid and cargo carrying errands to demonstrate how to *Just Ride*, hopefully the momentum will continue to build, I'd really like to see the results in my life time. Keep it up and remember it really boils down to Grant's fundamental thesis that riding is all about moving ourselves under our own power and enjoying it in the process. Thanks for indulging me in my memories it is heart warming to see how far we have come. On Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:07:36 PM UTC-6, Savvas wrote: Andy, Nice blog article and nice thread. If this family cycling business is a possibke direction for Riv then I don't think the thread is OT. Here's a link to a flikr set I have been accumulating of 'family cycling' far away and long ago (for some anyway): http://www.flickr.com/photos/48163544@N02/8362805783/in/set-72157632477907968 May be of some interest and perhaps inspiration... Looking back at these bikes they are rather 'Riv-ish' in their organic, make-do approach! And the people depicted were living car-free back in the '70s and '80s! Savvas On Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:49:27 AM UTC+10:30, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/ . That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a Bleriot. But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models. Also, the Betty is 650b and the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- something to do with rear brake installation, I think. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.commailto:lamontg...@mac.com wrote: After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/ . That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:39:04 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a Bleriot. But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models. Also, the Betty is 650b and the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- something to do with rear brake installation, I think. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/. That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
My friend Madi had two kid seats on a regular bikehttp://familyride.us/2011/08/02/new-big-bag-new-small-basket/. She made it work and could cram an impressive amount of stuff on there but she eventually got a Big Dummy (frame + rack + fenders all powder coated pink). 650b would work fine on a free radical... just use disk brakes and the 700c spacers... or improvise your own spacers. Or go 650b front and 26 rear then get different size tires to make the outside diameter match. If yer wife wants to haul kids on a regular basis, she'd be better off getting an actual longtail. It could be sold in several years and she could get a sparkly new BF when the kids are on their own. Or buy the BF with the gas money saved from her riding the longtail everywhere 'cause she loves it so much. my 2 cents. I realize I started this thread, but the Riv-ness of continuing this discussion is questionable, feel free to email me direct if you want to discuss family biking. 54canoe at the mail with a G and dot com --Smitty On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:45:15 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:39:04 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a Bleriot. But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models. Also, the Betty is 650b and the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- something to do with rear brake installation, I think. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/. That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Thanks, Smitty. Since we currently spend around $60 a month on gas (less longer trips), there isn't a lot of savings to eek out there. This would mostly be expanding to new horizons, both on local outings and on camping trips. The downside to a longtail is we ideally need it to fit on a rear trailer hitch rack and not stick out. That's part of the huge attractiveness of going with a Riv with two kid set up. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:07:39 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: My friend Madi had two kid seats on a regular bikehttp://familyride.us/2011/08/02/new-big-bag-new-small-basket/. She made it work and could cram an impressive amount of stuff on there but she eventually got a Big Dummy (frame + rack + fenders all powder coated pink). 650b would work fine on a free radical... just use disk brakes and the 700c spacers... or improvise your own spacers. Or go 650b front and 26 rear then get different size tires to make the outside diameter match. If yer wife wants to haul kids on a regular basis, she'd be better off getting an actual longtail. It could be sold in several years and she could get a sparkly new BF when the kids are on their own. Or buy the BF with the gas money saved from her riding the longtail everywhere 'cause she loves it so much. my 2 cents. I realize I started this thread, but the Riv-ness of continuing this discussion is questionable, feel free to email me direct if you want to discuss family biking. 54canoe at the mail with a G and dot com --Smitty On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:45:15 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:39:04 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a Bleriot. But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models. Also, the Betty is 650b and the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- something to do with rear brake installation, I think. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/. That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Have you considered the Appaloosa? It's not an Xtracycle, but it has a lot of room front and rear for kids. And it's a very fun bike to ride. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? With abandon, Patrick -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Is there such a bike outside of custom made varieties? I don't think the appaloosa is a production bike as of yet or else I would be extending my credit line as we speak, Haha. On Mar 2, 2013 3:06 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Have you considered the Appaloosa? It's not an Xtracycle, but it has a lot of room front and rear for kids. And it's a very fun bike to ride. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? With abandon, Patrick -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Both the Appaloosa and the Hunqa are worthy of consideration. Thanks! With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:13:45 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Grant said he thought it would be a production bike. But that's in the future, I guess. However, as we know from Liesl's experience, you can order a custom Appaloosa right now. I can understand if it's out of your price range, though. But if you consider the difference in cost between a Betty and an Appaloosa over the lifetime of the bike, and your wife would prefer an Appaloosa, well maybe the cost difference isn't significant. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Is there such a bike outside of custom made varieties? I don't think the appaloosa is a production bike as of yet or else I would be extending my credit line as we speak, Haha. On Mar 2, 2013 3:06 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Have you considered the Appaloosa? It's not an Xtracycle, but it has a lot of room front and rear for kids. And it's a very fun bike to ride. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? With abandon, Patrick -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Nice post, Smitty. I like your Nitto Big Rack child-seat mod. (I assume kiddos like it? Are the pieces zip-tied on?) I can't trust my not-quite 3 yo son to hold on, but maybe I'll get to work on collecting and building the pieces for when he's ready. I enthusiastically endorse the front seat. I use the Yepp Mini, which works great with quill stems. (There's an adapter for threadless, but maybe that's not relevant for this group.) The Yepp has a nice quick release (with key lock) and optional windscreen, which sounded dumb to me initially, but enabled us to ride comfortably in cool and cold weather. (When you're not pedaling and just along for the ride and exposed on the front, it gets cold... go figure.) The front seat means he has access to the handlebar bell, and it brings smiles to all the folks on the sidewalks who see and hear us coming. And we always stop to look at the brook and hear the running water (at his request). For us, riding is a much different experience from driving, and by different, I mean better. --sho On Friday, March 1, 2013 11:19:27 AM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Great post, Smitty! I just got back from taking our three oldest sledding. My Hunqa hauled the sled, strapped long tail style, and our 3-year old on the back rack. Worked great! We'd love to be car free. The current obstacles to that are a narrow (no shoulder), busy canyon highway between us and weekly shopping (though the ride is only 8 miles one way) and when we go camping afar. The good news is our driving is way down, and an Xtracycle EdgeRunner is in our future. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
That is a great post. I am using the BoBike+ on my Bombadil and Alice loves going for rides. Maybe by the time she outgrows the BoBike seat the production Appaloosa-ish frame with be available. That would be great for a rear seat. Dan On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.comwrote: Nice post, Smitty. I like your Nitto Big Rack child-seat mod. (I assume kiddos like it? Are the pieces zip-tied on?) I can't trust my not-quite 3 yo son to hold on, but maybe I'll get to work on collecting and building the pieces for when he's ready. I enthusiastically endorse the front seat. I use the Yepp Mini, which works great with quill stems. (There's an adapter for threadless, but maybe that's not relevant for this group.) The Yepp has a nice quick release (with key lock) and optional windscreen, which sounded dumb to me initially, but enabled us to ride comfortably in cool and cold weather. (When you're not pedaling and just along for the ride and exposed on the front, it gets cold... go figure.) The front seat means he has access to the handlebar bell, and it brings smiles to all the folks on the sidewalks who see and hear us coming. And we always stop to look at the brook and hear the running water (at his request). For us, riding is a much different experience from driving, and by different, I mean better. --sho On Friday, March 1, 2013 11:19:27 AM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Smitty, Great article. You and your bike antics have been an inspiration to me. Keep it up! Best, Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
I read this when it was posted on Path Less Pedaled Facebook page, totally didn't put it together that it was THE Andy Smitty Schmidt. Great stuff! My wife and I have been car free for one year. I would add that having bikes that you love significantly helps with the transition! She had a Jamis Commuter which is an okay little bike, but is really more for like 1 mile excursions on fat land. I surprised her with a Betty Foy for her bday, and she is much more into riding than she was in the past! I was a bit worried that getting her a BF was a homer bowling ball present, but she was blown away and loves it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Totally dynamite. There were major benefits to moving up to the top of the East Bay Hills, but doing so made it much harder for my wife and kids to get anything done on their bikes. We love living in a quiet, low traffic, and scenic place. But my fourth grader sometimes says I love our house, but it would be perfect if we lived on a flat street so I could ride my bike more. Our family rides are a major highlight, but we have to load bikes in the car to do it. It's paradise for me, because I'm already at the doorstep of the hills and trails, but for the rest of the family, that huge hill poses a major barrier. On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19:27 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Thanks for the kind words. Shoji-- The kid seat is zip-tied onto the Nitto Big Back Rack. It's solid. danmc-- The Appaloosa will be a perfect kid hauler... that long TT and bosco bars to accommodate a front kid seat and long chain stays so kiddo on a rear seat doesn't kick the back of my legs. Zack-- I think for all of our differences on this list (not you and I... everyone), we all share an understanding that having a bike we love makes riding so much better. --Andy On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19:27 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking
Glad I got to see the man at work. http://flic.kr/p/cYHZBm He and his family are amazing. April the ladyfriend and I are planning to head to Portland hopefully the my tandem will be ready by then... On Friday, March 1, 2013 10:31:01 PM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Thanks for the kind words. Shoji-- The kid seat is zip-tied onto the Nitto Big Back Rack. It's solid. danmc-- The Appaloosa will be a perfect kid hauler... that long TT and bosco bars to accommodate a front kid seat and long chain stays so kiddo on a rear seat doesn't kick the back of my legs. Zack-- I think for all of our differences on this list (not you and I... everyone), we all share an understanding that having a bike we love makes riding so much better. --Andy On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19:27 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to some folks on here. Becoming A Biking Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
