I heard/read this advice from a unremembered source.
They said to use a good U-Lock AND a good cable/chain lock.
The logic being that the tools methods required to defeat a u-lock
were different from a chain/cable lock and that few bicycle thieves
would carry both.
Angus
On Jan 29, 1:11 pm,
...and the abus monobloc like
this:http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg
I have that chain but a different pad lock. Only downside is the
weight. Patrick's solution - living the device on a rack you frequent
- is the best if practical where you ride.
I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower
market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can
make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3
oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews
Patrick,
I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially
after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt
there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot
boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those
pricey locks.
The one
Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a
layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+
years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my
offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the
seat of my pants (that may
...and the abus monobloc like this:
http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote:
I like this abus padlock:
Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the
price.
I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a
rack or pole you attach it to.
The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to
duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As
Thanks -- for some reason, my Mac's Quicktime won't play wmv's. Have
downloaded one and will try various apps.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters
michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
The chain is very heavy
I watched it; pretty impressive! Thanks.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:07 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks -- for some reason, my Mac's Quicktime won't play wmv's. Have
downloaded one and will try various apps.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters
I used to have a mid-to-high end mini U-lock from Kryptonite
(something 2000), and the smallest SOMA U-lock. The Soma is slightly
bigger, and thus gets around more posts, and works better with bikes
that have more space between front tire and downtube than racers, but
still fits in a pants' back
I had a feeling that locking to only the wheel could be very
vulnerable, good to have my paranoia validated!
I also use the kryptonite mini on my Quickbeam, and lock the frame to
that (usually rear seat stay, main/seat stay if rack calls for it) in
addition to using a Pitlock on the front Schmidt
Yeah, I suspect those rivets are a weak point, structurally speaking.
I can't assert that the plate-lock style (OnGuard has one and Abus has
three) lock is as good as the best systems available (take your
pick... heavy heavy chain? well-designed 1 cable lock? tiny tough U-
lock?). But... I feel
The Bordo locks are intriguing, but I've hard the rivets are a weak point.
Have you held a Bordo in your hand? It is German made industrial
strength. Even if the thief had a high impact power tool (just
happened to be walking down the street with my pneumatic punch) the
rivets are so tough the
I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about
the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super
hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus
shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to
make it hard for a bolt
Those hardened chains are pretty tough to cut. After the Portland
NAHBS there was a video demonstrating how hard it is to cut thick
chain with bolt cutters. Some of the wild and crazy Portlanders
chained their bikes on a barricade or something the hall managers
wanted to keep clear. The video
Good to know; may just get me a few more to scatter 'round the city.
Moving on to wholly unrelated matters -- and this is addressed to
y'all, not just to JM or MJ: riding home today on my newly Berthoud
be-fendered #3 Riv custom fixie, I stopped to piss (it's a perfectly
normal word, don't twist
one solution: cut the chain by 2/3 or so (length of a mini u-lock). carry in
pannier/handlebar bag/etc.
find a shop with a plasma cutter and give 'em a 12 pack of something tasty.
these guys will cut the chain to size, if requested:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he
claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me
how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to
thievery?
Howdy. I commute on either a Bleriot or Atlantis, and face these
issues regularly, locking my bike up on the ground floor of a parking
garage adjacent to my building in a downtown area. There's a roof,
but it's open on two sides, and easily accessed from the sidewalk; a
fixie fellow had his unit
When I'm out and about using a U-lock, the Sheldon Brown method is my
preferred choice. Do have the luxury of having Pitlocks for the
wheels available and will use them in appropriate situations. At
work, I use the Kryptonite New York lock. However, it does stay on
the rack in the garage. A
Well, if you want Riv-ish bike security I'd say a leather strap, a
piece of wool tweed, and a few zip ties would do the trick :-p
-Pete
On Jan 25, 1:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:
So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my
Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike
I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago:
http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo
6100
The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure
structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water
bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is
So it sounds like the overall consensus is Pitlock to secure the
wheels, u-lock to secure the bike with a cable if you need to secure
the ancillary stuff.
Does anyone know if the pitlock system works with bolt-on hubs? my
phil rear has 6MM bolts securing it instead of a QR. Anyone done the
If you have a solid axle, you need to go with these:
http://www.urbanbiketech.com/category-s/26.htm
On Jan 25, 4:52 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:
So it sounds like the overall consensus is Pitlock to secure the
wheels, u-lock to secure the bike with a cable if you need to secure
the
I use a different Abus Bordo (also for Chicago, and surrounding
suburban train stations) for my Hillborne... the one I use is the
Bordo 6500. It is a keyed lock (the other Bordo locks have both keyed
and combination versions). Amazon actually sells the 6500. I have a
Pitlock skewer in the front
For everyday (and the occasional, random overnight) Quickbeam parking
in downtown Denver I use Pitlocks on the front dyno wheel and
seatpost, the smallest Kryptonite U-lock (orange one), and a beeswax/
ball bearing combo crammed into the head of the saddle attachment bolt
and the stem bolt. I
I commute in Melbourne, Australia, where I think the risk of theft is
moderate. I love the Kryptonite Mini, for its strength, size and
weight, compared to other U locks. I used to use the Sheldon method,
until I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fLtdZyX-A
I think Sheldon got this one
the solid axle pitlocks will not work. different threading.
the best option is simply to replace the solid axle with a hollow one --
very simple with a phil hub -- and then use a standard pitlock or locking
skewer.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
If
I use a Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboudit, which, is too small for most
street poles. Because of this I just use it to lock the frame to
whatever I can get it to fit around. I combine that with a pair of VO
Anti-Theft Skewers (a great bargain at $15.00) and a 4' Kryptonite
cable just for securing my
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