[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Ha ha ha!! Living on two wheels by dennis coello -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

If I’m going to live on my bike, I’m going to to stay on the seat instead of the top tube, and sometime around mid to late October I will point the bike south and not stop until there’s no chance of ice anywhere but in my beach drink :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I read a book about living on your bike and the guy said one can ride on the top tube and put one foot down on the ice for balance while riding on icy streets. But I won't ride on wet roads below 35F for fear of an icy crash. I crashed in dry warm weather going about 5mph on a sidewalk and

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I've found that to be true in my case as well; I commuted for several years year-round on 25's and 28's here in Indiana, and on most types of snow, the narrower tire would cut through it and find some traction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Interesting. 30+ years ago when I lived and worked in downtown WDC, the bike messengers who braved the snow as often as not did so on racing bikes with skinny, 23 mm at most, tires. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Philip Kim wrote: > also to note, had a friend in chicago

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

also to note, had a friend in chicago who rode 622x28 tires on his snow beater bike. claimed they cut through the snow rather than riding on top of it. never did that myself. On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:26:32 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote: > > studded knobs aren't for me. the pumpkin ridge

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

studded knobs aren't for me. the pumpkin ridge bite into powdered snow on the road really well, and then shed that snow off the tire very well. so the tire actually will rotate in the snow, instead of spinning and digging deeper into the snow with no movement. i didn't really expect much, but

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

On/in/through slush, slop, and frozen peanut butter, my Steilacoms are superior to my racing ralphs, which tend to be more swimmy. I’m not sure how much is due to narrower tire (38mm v. 2.1”) and how much is knobby pattern and/or plushness of tires. The Compass tread patters sheds matter with

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

How do they ride on slush? Even my studded knobs are terrible On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 8:37:18 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote: > > yep. snowed last night and they ride so well on fresh snow on the streets. > i've always wanted a knobby like this for 650bx42. i'm glad i picked these > up. > >

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

yep. snowed last night and they ride so well on fresh snow on the streets. i've always wanted a knobby like this for 650bx42. i'm glad i picked these up. On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 9:37:51 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: > > Patrick, > > I am currently riding a bike with the knobby Pumpkin

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Oh, boy! Thanks, Jan! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Patrick, I am currently riding a bike with the knobby Pumpkin Ridge 650B x 42s here in Japan (check both the @compasscycle and @bikequarterly Instagram for some photos). I love the tires for the rides we are doing here in the winter. Of course, we have to weigh the issues of mold costs and the

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Jan, Since you’re “on the line,” I noticed you have been testing bikepacking rigs including with wider tires. Do you have any plans for supple, 2.1” or wider 700c tires, including nobbies? Your Steilacoms are brilliant in snow and gravel/sand and do amazingly well on pavement. I’d love a

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Good question, John. It took some time to dig out all that data from the many tire tests we did. We never tried to show that our Compass tires were fastest – in fact, when we first tested tires, we didn't even sell tires. I pulled together the data... Here are our roll-down tests: Compass

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Jan I do remember the your original tests showing these to be slower. Also, the original tests had the Pasela with a low resistance, about the same as the Grand Bois in it's size. Can you compare the resistance of a Compass tire to these, to allow one to validate your claims?? I do not your

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

On 01/03/2018 06:04 PM, Jan Heine wrote: t has been exciting to work with a tire maker who not only has the resources to develop great tires, but also has been willing to work closely with us to turn the results of our tests into actual tires we can ride. The rest of the tire industry is only

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

P.S.: Tires like the Marathons and others mentioned previously serve a real need in the tire world, too. It's not that one tire is better than the other - it all depends on what you need in a tire. If you are riding half a mile to the train station, as many Germans do, a flat tire will have you

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

We did test Marathons, Rolly-Polies, Maxy-Fasties and Nifty-Swifties. All these were among the slower tires we tested. That shouldn't come as a surprise – these tires weren't designed as performance tires, so we only tested them to see how much you'd gain by going to high-performance tires.

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Hetres were the tires before Compass -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Did they test the Compass tires against Marathons. Rumplins, and Hetres yet? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Peter, I think you’ll find today’s blog a timely answer to your question... https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/12-myths-in-cycling-1-wider-tires-are-slower/ Further, you can get back issues by topic, including tires, here: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/print/4-pack-bq-back-issues/

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I've often read on Jan Heine's blog that the BQ team has "proven" that big tires are just as fast. Where can I read these tests? I'm a subscriber to BQ but I've only read the last two editions. On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 5:38:54 PM UTC+1, Jan Heine wrote: > > It's true that René

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Garth and Steve. Thanks for your thoughtful posts. Getting my day off to a nice start as I "smile and cherish all of now". Best, Richard On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 4:34:59 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote: > > Thank you for that Steve ! > > I am always amazed how "the time" is always "the

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Thank you for that Steve ! I am always amazed how "the time" is always "the present" ... it's "now". It's always "now", the present, no matter what appears, no matter the position of the sun, no matter the click-clock of the clock . We are inherently "present" no matter what or who or how

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

/The Hōshi //family//has run the inn bearing their name in Japan’s Ishikawa Prefecture for 1,300 years. Forty six generations have accepted the profession of their ancestors, but that same weight of tradition keeps the //family//sharply focused on the present moment.// / /

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Because perception is infinite :) Every one is unique. We may claim that we can repeat something exactly the same, but there is no fooling what can't be fooled. Life ! On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 2:09:17 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Well, very interesting how some bikes feel

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Well, very interesting how some bikes feel faster than others without there being a readily identifiable cause for this. On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:16 PM, lum gim fong wrote: > @ Patrick: > > overall weight? - not sure. I think same. I'd have to measure. I think I > did

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

@ Patrick: overall weight? - not sure. I think same. I'd have to measure. I think I did once and they were the same, have to double check. I think it was Sam: 29 Ram: 27, Bleriot: 27 Wheel weight? - sameish (Rode GB 650b on Bleriot and Ram, Synergies 650b on Ram and Sam). Tires? - sameish

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

The only bike I'm sure has "planed" for me was a 1977 Raleigh Grand Prix, and that was about 10 years before I heard the term. I had built it up as a fixed gear and I was surprised how light it was, being hi-tensile steel. Alas, it was a tad long for me in the top tube, and the bottom bracket

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Lum: I can't say I've experienced planing either, but I'm curious what you attribute the Ram's feeling of easier pedaling to? It's not setup; overall weight? Wheel weight? Tires? Loads? Position and fit? On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, lum gim fong wrote: > ... > I have

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Interesting again. I can't say that my 28 mm actual Elk Passes feel slower than 22 mm actual Conti GPs (559 and 571 versions), or 571 Michelin Pro Race 3s and 4s, or in fact the very nice 559 X1" and 22 mm actual Specialized Turbo, when that was available; in fact, while feeling cushier (and of

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, lum gim fong wrote: > What does the flexing actually feel like? > > I have ridden a Bleriot, Sam, and Rambouillet. > > When I am fit, they all feel fast. > When I am not, sometimes the Sam and Bleriot felt like I could not get out > of my

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

What does the flexing actually feel like? I have ridden a Bleriot, Sam, and Rambouillet. When I am fit, they all feel fast. When I am not, sometimes the Sam and Bleriot felt like I could not get out of my own way on hills. With the Rambouillet, I feel like the pedals are easier to turn. Like

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I'm 210 lbs and just about every bike I get on seems to "plane" for me, and I think its because my weight makes nearly every bike flex for me in the right way. Ty On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-8, M G wrote: > > Eno eccentric for the boulder (i tried for a little while to use

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Eno eccentric for the boulder (i tried for a little while to use the magic combination, and it was too much of a hassle. The hub was a 'regular' Eno, and one can just replace the axle which is a great feature tires - i have found that i like 28 to 30 on the boulder (and on my most excellent

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

BTW, the Herse had my optimum sizing: 60 and 56.5 c-c, with level top tube and fistful and a half of seapost exposed to the air. If I have another custom made, it will have a 60 c-c st and undersquare tt. On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > *My personal

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

*My personal experience is that HOW the bike fits you, do you feel IN it or ON it, what is your fitness level, etc, is the biggest factor in comfort and speed and 'planing'* I have suspected this for quite a while, based on what bikes feel to me fastest and "easiest to maintain speed on". Some of

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Oh, and re speed, the Boulder FEELS faster, it IS faster climbing wise, again EXCEPT when i can get the Kog to flex And as part of my 'let me compare thee to a BQ bicycle' i have the Kog and the boulder set up EXACTLY the same, and they are almost EXACTLY the same geometry. Compared them to

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I have a Boulder 700c rando w light tubing, and a Kog P/R; and the guys i ride with have Rawland 650b bikes // i've spent YEARS trying to decide if there is a difference, switching off bikes on the same route(s) etc. And i will say that I greatly appreciate Jan's POV, and see all that he has

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I have a couple different 50 mile rides I do, they are both on mostly paved surfaces, both have at least 8-10 miles of climbing and descending. I’ve done both these rides for close to 25 years. When I got my first 650B bike (in the early 2000s), I started riding that bike more than most. It

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

It's true that René Herse's and Alex Singer's bikes went to narrower 700C tires for their randonneur bikes. They didn't stop at 30-32 mm. By the 1970s, their bikes were equipped with 25 or even 23 mm tires. This wasn't necessarily because they thought these tires were faster – they were

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Mike Kone's observations about René Herse's and Alex Singer's bikes are only partially correct. Yes, they did go to narrower 700C tires for their randonneur bikes, but they didn't stop at 30-32 mm. By the 1970s, their bikes were equipped with 25 or even 23 mm tires. They were following the

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I read Mike's thoughts on the link. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems as if he has thrown down the gauntlet for Jan. IIRC, Jan claims that you don't give up speed with 650Bx42. He also seems to be throwing some shade (as the kids say these days) at the Kasei fork blades. Perhaps that is because

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Hey John, I appreciate the answer, though it sounds like you were meaning to answer Lum's as mine was more a statement/answer ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Igor, I believe Mike Kone's answer is "yes". I posted the link to Boulder Bicycles in response to the thread about "optimum" tire widths for various rim diameters. Boulder designed and sells a 650B low trial and a 700C low trial (both planning), mainly for general riding and brevets, Kone put

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

What exactly are you asking? 700c is faster. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Per the other thread: http://boulderbicycle.bike/Boulder-Bicycle-Rando-Overview-and-Pricing.html On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Brian Campbell wrote: > Is there a link for some context? > > > On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 7:05:55 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote: >> >>

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Is there a link for some context? On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 7:05:55 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote: > > per Boulder Bikes. > > Anyone know the story about this? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this