[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-14 Thread JAGI410
I made mine using X-PAC from rockywoods.com, 1/4 closed cell foam from eBay, 
and cheap remnant ripstop from Joann's. 3 wide, no flare at front. The ripstop 
formed a liner around the inner perimeter, and the foam was sandwiched in 
between. The foam is important as it keeps things from rattling against the top 
of the downtube, and provides nice structure. I also sewed a false floor in the 
bottom triangle that separates in the middle. You can expand or contract the 
sides of the bag with this. Enjoy the Krampus and post pics when the bag is 
done!

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[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Every bag maker I know (OK, both bag makers I know) are big into 
prototyping.  So, if I wanted to sew my own bag, I would plan on my first 
shot being a prototype that will certainly be thrown away.  With that in 
mind I would guess on the material, with my focus on it being cheap and 
easy to work with.  Based on what I learned in prototype 1, I'd then decide 
whether I was ready to go on to Prototype 2 or move straight to Final.  As 
you know, prototype 1 for me is always corroplast and gaffer tape.  The 
added advantage is that my prototype unfolds and becomes my pattern.  

The two bag makers I know are Ely Rodriguez of RuthWorks, and Phil Woosley 
of Loyal Designs.  Once I decided on a material, I'd try to buy it from 
them.  If you want an introduction to either of those guys, Anne, let me 
know and I'll hook it up.  I'm sure they'd both be happy to give you free 
advice.  

Bill 

On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I ordered my new Krampus next week. Night blue pearl. 

 And I want to take it camping. So I need carrying capacity. So I'm 
 thinking about sewing a frame bag. 

 f you have done that, what fabric did you use and where did you buy 
 it? I'm looking at 1050 denier coated ballistics nylon or 330 or 500 
 denier Cordura from Seattle Fabrics, or 840 denier coated ballistics 
 nylon or 500 denier Cordura from Quest Outfitters. I definitely want 
 something waterproof, but I'm not sure how to choose between weight 
 and strength. 

 Also, if you have made a frame bag, how wide did you make it? Did you 
 flare it at the front? What did you use for padding for the edges, if 
 anything? How does it attach to the bike? 

 My bike is going to be a size small. The Krampus has a sloping top 
 tube, so that means a tiny little triangle, and lots of seatpost 
 showing. That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the 
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone 
 tried that? 

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[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Stephen S
Anne,

Have you been looking at the threads on bikepacking.net ? 
They have a forum for DIY / Make your own bags.

http://www.bikepacking.net/forum/index.php/board,10.0.html

Stephen

On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I ordered my new Krampus next week. Night blue pearl. 

 And I want to take it camping. So I need carrying capacity. So I'm 
 thinking about sewing a frame bag. 

 f you have done that, what fabric did you use and where did you buy 
 it? I'm looking at 1050 denier coated ballistics nylon or 330 or 500 
 denier Cordura from Seattle Fabrics, or 840 denier coated ballistics 
 nylon or 500 denier Cordura from Quest Outfitters. I definitely want 
 something waterproof, but I'm not sure how to choose between weight 
 and strength. 

 Also, if you have made a frame bag, how wide did you make it? Did you 
 flare it at the front? What did you use for padding for the edges, if 
 anything? How does it attach to the bike? 

 My bike is going to be a size small. The Krampus has a sloping top 
 tube, so that means a tiny little triangle, and lots of seatpost 
 showing. That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the 
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone 
 tried that? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Anne Paulson
Thanks for that link, Stephen. It's terrific, lots of good info.

I surfed through the links. It's clear that even without having sewn a
frame bag, or even touched a frame bag, I know more than many of the
posters, because I know how to sew.

Here is my pro tip for people who want to sew packs and related items:
You think you need a stronger sewing machine. Probably not. You need a
better needle. Use a 100 Jeans to sew heavy material. Oh, and for any
kind of sewing, change the needle for each project!

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anne,

 Have you been looking at the threads on bikepacking.net ?
 They have a forum for DIY / Make your own bags.

 http://www.bikepacking.net/forum/index.php/board,10.0.html

 Stephen


 On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I ordered my new Krampus next week. Night blue pearl.

 And I want to take it camping. So I need carrying capacity. So I'm
 thinking about sewing a frame bag.

 f you have done that, what fabric did you use and where did you buy
 it? I'm looking at 1050 denier coated ballistics nylon or 330 or 500
 denier Cordura from Seattle Fabrics, or 840 denier coated ballistics
 nylon or 500 denier Cordura from Quest Outfitters. I definitely want
 something waterproof, but I'm not sure how to choose between weight
 and strength.

 Also, if you have made a frame bag, how wide did you make it? Did you
 flare it at the front? What did you use for padding for the edges, if
 anything? How does it attach to the bike?

 My bike is going to be a size small. The Krampus has a sloping top
 tube, so that means a tiny little triangle, and lots of seatpost
 showing. That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone
 tried that?

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[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi Anne,
Congrats on the Krampus! 

Have you considered the Revelate Designs frame bag (co-branded with Surly)? 
Revelate Designs may make one for the Krampus (Retail ~$160, in case you'd 
rather ride than 
sew): 
https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Frame-Bags/CoBranded-Frame-Bags

Related but OT:
ICYMI, pics of Great Divide/Krampus: 
http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/planning-for-a-2014-tour-divide-ride/

Forever true,
shoji


On Monday, January 13, 2014 1:35:45 PM UTC-5, Stephen S wrote:

 Anne,

 Have you been looking at the threads on bikepacking.net ? 
 They have a forum for DIY / Make your own bags.

 http://www.bikepacking.net/forum/index.php/board,10.0.html

 Stephen

 On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I ordered my new Krampus next week. Night blue pearl. 

 And I want to take it camping. So I need carrying capacity. So I'm 
 thinking about sewing a frame bag. 

 f you have done that, what fabric did you use and where did you buy 
 it? I'm looking at 1050 denier coated ballistics nylon or 330 or 500 
 denier Cordura from Seattle Fabrics, or 840 denier coated ballistics 
 nylon or 500 denier Cordura from Quest Outfitters. I definitely want 
 something waterproof, but I'm not sure how to choose between weight 
 and strength. 

 Also, if you have made a frame bag, how wide did you make it? Did you 
 flare it at the front? What did you use for padding for the edges, if 
 anything? How does it attach to the bike? 

 My bike is going to be a size small. The Krampus has a sloping top 
 tube, so that means a tiny little triangle, and lots of seatpost 
 showing. That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the 
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone 
 tried that? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Anne Paulson
I did look at the Revelate Designs, but they do not seem to have a
Krampus-specific frame bag. They do have bags designed for Trolls,
Ogres and Pugsleys though.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a Revelate seat bag, though. But I
was deeply unimpressed with the Revelate advice about using their seat
bag with a Thudbuster: file down one of the bolts on the Thudbuster or
it will wear through the bag. IMO, if a manufacturer knows that a bike
part will wear through their bag, they should reinforce the bag rather
than telling users to take a file to their bike.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Shoji Takahashi
shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Anne,
 Congrats on the Krampus!

 Have you considered the Revelate Designs frame bag (co-branded with Surly)?
 Revelate Designs may make one for the Krampus (Retail ~$160, in case you'd
 rather ride than sew):
 https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Frame-Bags/CoBranded-Frame-Bags

 Related but OT:
 ICYMI, pics of Great Divide/Krampus:
 http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/planning-for-a-2014-tour-divide-ride/

 Forever true,
 shoji


 On Monday, January 13, 2014 1:35:45 PM UTC-5, Stephen S wrote:

 Anne,

 Have you been looking at the threads on bikepacking.net ?
 They have a forum for DIY / Make your own bags.

 http://www.bikepacking.net/forum/index.php/board,10.0.html

 Stephen

 On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I ordered my new Krampus next week. Night blue pearl.

 And I want to take it camping. So I need carrying capacity. So I'm
 thinking about sewing a frame bag.

 f you have done that, what fabric did you use and where did you buy
 it? I'm looking at 1050 denier coated ballistics nylon or 330 or 500
 denier Cordura from Seattle Fabrics, or 840 denier coated ballistics
 nylon or 500 denier Cordura from Quest Outfitters. I definitely want
 something waterproof, but I'm not sure how to choose between weight
 and strength.

 Also, if you have made a frame bag, how wide did you make it? Did you
 flare it at the front? What did you use for padding for the edges, if
 anything? How does it attach to the bike?

 My bike is going to be a size small. The Krampus has a sloping top
 tube, so that means a tiny little triangle, and lots of seatpost
 showing. That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone
 tried that?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Lyle Bogart
Hi Anne,

A Stephen S said, the DIY forum on bikepacking is the way to go. I've seen
multiple postings with very specific details regarding fabric, dimensions,
different bag-frame mounting techniques and the like,

Good luck and keep us posted with your progress on this.

Cheers!

lyle


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anne,

 Have you been looking at the threads on bikepacking.net ?
 They have a forum for DIY / Make your own bags.

 http://www.bikepacking.net/forum/index.php/board,10.0.html

 Stephen


 On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I ordered my new Krampus next week. Night blue pearl.

 And I want to take it camping. So I need carrying capacity. So I'm
 thinking about sewing a frame bag.

 f you have done that, what fabric did you use and where did you buy
 it? I'm looking at 1050 denier coated ballistics nylon or 330 or 500
 denier Cordura from Seattle Fabrics, or 840 denier coated ballistics
 nylon or 500 denier Cordura from Quest Outfitters. I definitely want
 something waterproof, but I'm not sure how to choose between weight
 and strength.

 Also, if you have made a frame bag, how wide did you make it? Did you
 flare it at the front? What did you use for padding for the edges, if
 anything? How does it attach to the bike?

 My bike is going to be a size small. The Krampus has a sloping top
 tube, so that means a tiny little triangle, and lots of seatpost
 showing. That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone
 tried that?

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[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Mike Schiller
I use a Revelate Jerry can in that triangle. Kinda small but it uses the 
space well.   
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/861844/in/set-72157629378588216

~mike

On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

  That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the 
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone 
 tried that? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Anne Paulson
The Revelate Jerry can appears to be an excellent design. Have a look
at the Krampus, though:

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21t=248093

First of all, there is going to be a foot, yes, a full twelve inches,
between my saddle and the top tube. I want to put that real estate to
work! Plus, notice the gusset between top tube and seat tube, which
might get in the way of a Jerry can.



On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Mike Schiller
mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 I use a Revelate Jerry can in that triangle. Kinda small but it uses the
 space well.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/861844/in/set-72157629378588216

 ~mike


 On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

  That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone
 tried that?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Mike Schiller
Revelate has Jerry can specifically for bikes with a brace.   
https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Cockpit/Jerrycan


~mike

On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:00:08 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 The Revelate Jerry can appears to be an excellent design. Have a look 
 at the Krampus, though: 

 http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21t=248093 

 First of all, there is going to be a foot, yes, a full twelve inches, 
 between my saddle and the top tube. I want to put that real estate to 
 work! Plus, notice the gusset between top tube and seat tube, which 
 might get in the way of a Jerry can. 



 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Mike Schiller 
 mikey...@rocketmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  I use a Revelate Jerry can in that triangle. Kinda small but it uses the 
  space well. 
  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/861844/in/set-72157629378588216 
  
  ~mike 
  
  
  On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: 
  
   That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the 
  top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone 
  tried that? 
  
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[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Coconutbill


 my friends at Carsick Designs recently made a frame bag prototype for 
 their Surly trollhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/stop_lying_to_me/11856082955/
 .

I'm sure that they'd be happy to share some information about bag 
materials, etc.
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Anne Paulson
Coconutbill and others with friends making frame bags, I would be
grateful for any information that they wanted to share about materials
and techniques. Especially materials.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Coconutbill evan.spa...@gmail.com wrote:
 my friends at Carsick Designs recently made a frame bag prototype for
 their Surly troll.

 I'm sure that they'd be happy to share some information about bag materials,
 etc.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread sameness
As a fellow sewer who has admittedly never made a bag from scratch (though 
I do love taking them apart and altering them), might I suggest the Denier 
Diamond Ripstop http://www.seattlefabrics.com/nylons.html#Diamond Ripstopfrom 
Seattle Fabrics? 

Ripstop will give you the strength without the weight penalty of a thick 
coated Cordura, and with the benefit of being easier to sew, i.e. you can 
get away with using a 14.

Or if you're after a lighter, laminated material, here's Dimension-Polyant 
21http://www.rockywoods.com/Fabrics-Kits/Dimension-Polyant-Fabrics/Terrain-X-Pac-Laminated-Ripstop-Fabric,
 
which is what Revelate uses for their frame bags. 

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Anne Paulson
Note that Revelate, and others, use the Denier Diamond Ripstop for the
panels of the frame pack (the big pieces), but they use something a
lot tougher for the gussets (the side pieces that go along the tubes
of the frame). Ripstop is not so abrasion resistant, and those gussets
are rubbing against the frame with every turn of the wheels. I was
just at my LBS to drop off my touring bike because, umm, ding in the
rim -- yes, that's why I want bigger tires, so I can ride without
getting dings-- and I was able to get a good look at a Revelate Tangle
pack and a Revelate Viscacha seat bag.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:26 PM, sameness samen...@gmail.com wrote:
 As a fellow sewer who has admittedly never made a bag from scratch (though I
 do love taking them apart and altering them), might I suggest the Denier
 Diamond Ripstop from Seattle Fabrics?

 Ripstop will give you the strength without the weight penalty of a thick
 coated Cordura, and with the benefit of being easier to sew, i.e. you can
 get away with using a 14.

 Or if you're after a lighter, laminated material, here's Dimension-Polyant
 21, which is what Revelate uses for their frame bags.

 Jeff Hagedorn
 Warragul, VIC Australia

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[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Michael


 That would be cool to patchwork all your worn out  carradice bags into a 
 patchwork frame bag.


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[RBW] Re: Sew own frame bags?

2014-01-13 Thread Kellie Stapleton
Hi Anne. Here's a link for a DIY bag. I'm impressed with it and he and his 
girlfriend are using them on their So. Africa tour. 
http://www.pedalingnowhere.com/gear/diy-longflap-saddlebag-minimalist-bike-touring/#.UtR97xY45IA
Besides Revelate, there's also Porcelin Rocket. He will custom sew. But he 
also has the saddle bags and handle bar bags. I've been using the handle 
bar setup for over a year, and my daughter just left with it on her tour 
down the CA coast.

On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:12:09 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I ordered my new Krampus next week. Night blue pearl. 

 And I want to take it camping. So I need carrying capacity. So I'm 
 thinking about sewing a frame bag. 

 f you have done that, what fabric did you use and where did you buy 
 it? I'm looking at 1050 denier coated ballistics nylon or 330 or 500 
 denier Cordura from Seattle Fabrics, or 840 denier coated ballistics 
 nylon or 500 denier Cordura from Quest Outfitters. I definitely want 
 something waterproof, but I'm not sure how to choose between weight 
 and strength. 

 Also, if you have made a frame bag, how wide did you make it? Did you 
 flare it at the front? What did you use for padding for the edges, if 
 anything? How does it attach to the bike? 

 My bike is going to be a size small. The Krampus has a sloping top 
 tube, so that means a tiny little triangle, and lots of seatpost 
 showing. That suggests room for another triangle-shaped bag above the 
 top tube, in the triangle between top tube and seatpost. Has anyone 
 tried that? 

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