Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-30 Thread Matthew J
Definitely Grand Bois Cypres or Grand Bois Extra Leger.  Cypres have been 
amazing tires for me the past three years.  Comfortable and only one flat 
riding on mix of Chicago city streets, suburban streets and roads, paved 
and lime stone paths.  
 
Bought a set of Extra Legers this year and Cypres under the so far 
incorrect notion the Extra Leger may be too frail for my riding.  The 
Cypres ride is sublime, Extra Leger other worldly.  All the wonderful 
things you get from tubulars without the hassle.

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-30 Thread René Sterental
+1 for the Extra Leger, like I said earlier. Wishing for a 40mm version...


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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Definitely Grand Bois Cypres or Grand Bois Extra Leger.  Cypres have been 
 amazing tires for me the past three years.  Comfortable and only one flat 
 riding on mix of Chicago city streets, suburban streets and roads, paved 
 and lime stone paths.  
  
 Bought a set of Extra Legers this year and Cypres under the so far 
 incorrect notion the Extra Leger may be too frail for my riding.  The 
 Cypres ride is sublime, Extra Leger other worldly.  All the wonderful 
 things you get from tubulars without the hassle.
  
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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-30 Thread David Hays
Congratulations Curtis. It's a wonderful bike.
I bought one recently and went through the same anticipation/anxiety as I 
waited for it and then built it up.
Which size did you get. A 650B or a 700C?
I picked up a 56cm 650B and put Hetre tires on it.
I've taken on some former railroad beds filled with loose rocks and was 
pleasantly surprised at how stable it was with drop bars.
David


On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:58:15 PM UTC-4, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal 
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?  

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East 
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like 
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and 
 around San Diego.  Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-30 Thread David Hays
I'm still setting mine up.
What rear rack are you running, Mike?
David


On May 29, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curtis, congrats on the new bike. You're gonna love it. Tire choice for the 
 Hilsen can be tough given the range of tires. I've tried so many different 
 tires--Jack Browns, green and blue, Paselas (32, 35), Schwalbe Marathon 
 Supremes (35) and a range of Marathons--32s, 35s, 38s, 40s, and even 47s. I 
 go back and forth on tires depending on what time of riding I'm doing. I 
 think the Supremes are a great way to go in that they're large volume, roll 
 smoothly and are extremely durable. While the Marathons can feel sluggish 
 they are durable and are great for mixed terrain riding. The nice thing about 
 the Marathons are that they're rather inexpensive. Panaracer T-Serves are 
 also nice tires, a bit more durable than Paselas. 
 
 Another confounding issue for the Hilsen, what type of bag or bags to put on 
 it? Racks?
 
 Here's pictures of my Hilsen which I've had for almost 5yrs now.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/with/8727773121/
 
 Be sure to post pictures of yours when it arrives.
 
 --mike 
 
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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-30 Thread CapNMike


 I've been riding my AHH for about 10 months now. I started out with Jack 
 Brown Greens and swapped for Little Bens a few months ago. I especially 
 like the Little Bens on rough pavement, gravel roads and trails. 

-Mike 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Mike
Curtis, congrats on the new bike. You're gonna love it. Tire choice for the 
Hilsen can be tough given the range of tires. I've tried so many different 
tires--Jack Browns, green and blue, Paselas (32, 35), Schwalbe Marathon 
Supremes (35) and a range of Marathons--32s, 35s, 38s, 40s, and even 47s. I 
go back and forth on tires depending on what time of riding I'm doing. I 
think the Supremes are a great way to go in that they're large volume, roll 
smoothly and are extremely durable. While the Marathons can feel sluggish 
they are durable and are great for mixed terrain riding. The nice thing 
about the Marathons are that they're rather inexpensive. Panaracer T-Serves 
are also nice tires, a bit more durable than Paselas. 

Another confounding issue for the Hilsen, what type of bag or bags to put 
on it? Racks?

Here's pictures of my Hilsen which I've had for almost 5yrs now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/with/8727773121/

Be sure to post pictures of yours when it arrives.

--mike 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Brian Campbell
I run 35mm Vittoria Hyper Randos on my AHH and like them very much. 
 

 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Hechmer
Since you just dropped a bundle on a very nice bike there is always the 
question of what the check book looks like.  If there's something left, 
then the next best thing you can do is treat yourself to really good tires. 
 I used Pasellas and Tservs for commuting but wouldn't recommend them for 
joy riding.  The JBs give a very good mix of performance, comfort and 
protection.  I run the Grand Bois Cerf on my Ram and have loved the 
performance, with no flats.  Most of my rides include some dirt and some 
bad chip and seal, so I certainly don't baby them.  I would bet the larger 
size on the AHH would be a really good choice.

Michael

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:58:15 PM UTC-4, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal 
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?  

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East 
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like 
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and 
 around San Diego.  Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Thanks for the advice.  The bike is a used AHH that was recently put up for
sale on this site.  The price and size was right and I had been looking for
a few months.

I think that I will have to try a few types of tires to find what works for
me.  I appreciate the recommendations and will follow the advice give here.

So there is a Southern California group?  How fun it would be to ride with
a Riv type group.  I do a lot of backpacking and would like to do some bike
packing.



On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey, don't leave me out! I'll ride SD :-) I like to get lost on a bike.

 ~Hugh
 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Curtis:
 
  Congrats on the new bike.  These guys will overwhelm you with great tire
  suggestions (which can lead to lively discussions) but my advice is run
  what you brung.  Mostly this works but was sub-optimal on last weekends
  Loch Leven sand / gravel / rock sections.  Pay attention if David
 mentions
  knobbies.  My Atlantis is currently shod with 40mm Vittoria Rando
 Hypers
  which ride nice but proved a bit light for the loose stuff.
 
  With Mike in Carlsbad  me in southern Orange County, do I sense a
 Fallbrook
  - Escondido - Elfin Forest - ??? loop or perhaps Mt Palomar in the
 future?
  Stick with us, we'll get you lost for sure.
 
  dougP
 
 
  On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:44:30 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
 
  Hi Curtis,
 
  I live in North County (Carlsbad) and also ride with the SoCal Riv group
  that  Hugh mentioned. I'm most familiar with North County as I've only
 lived
  here about 18 months. There are  some nice areas to ride north of
 Escondido
  to Rainbow and the Rancho Santa Fe area.
 
  There a lot more choices for 700C tires,if that is what you are getting,
  depending on you if  ride mostly on pavement or like dirt roads mixed in
  your travels.
 
  Congrats on the Homer, they are beautiful and versatile bikes.
 
  ~mike
  Carlsbad Ca
 
 
 
  On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:58:15 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Have been reading the post year for about a month.
 
  Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal
  not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?
 
  I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East
  County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also
 like
  to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and
 around
  San Diego.  Thanks.
 
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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread NWAJack


 Congrats on being a new AHH owner.  I got mine about 4 months ago, so as 
 other's have said your reaction is completel normal :)

As far as tires go, I originally had the 35mm Marathon Supremes, but 
recently switched out the the Jack Browns, Blue in back and Green in 
front.   I like the Jack Brown's better for type of riding I do the most:  
on road, chip and seal.
 
Jack
 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Garth
A very underrated tire is the Performance Bike shop's Forte Metro 700x35 
with or w/o kevlar strips.  Yeah, cheap store brand tires right ?  HaH !  
Think again !!  There's real psychological game that one often assumes a 
more expensive tire MUST be better than one that is cheap/-er.  Here's 
a real good example. Performance sells a tire called the Gotham for $16. 
It's made by Panaracer and sold with their names, sells for $40 ! Some 
people will buy the same thing with a higher price tag just because it's 
more expensive ...lol. Hah !  So while the Metro tires may be only $15 , 
don't let that fool you, they grip well, have low rolling resistance and 
are supple feeling to me. Maybe they are not a Grand Bois or whatever  
maybe they are ... lol.   Take the visual perception off a tire and a blind 
comparison test would be very interesting indeed . 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Garth

A very underrated tire is the Performance Bike shop's Forte Metro 700x35 
with or w/o kevlar strips.  Yeah, cheap store brand tires right ?  HaH !  
Think again !!  There's real psychological game that one often assumes a 
more expensive tire MUST be better than one that is cheap/-er.  Here's 
a real good example. Performance sells a tire called the Gotham for $16. 
It's made by Panaracer and sold with their brand name as the Crosstown, 
sells for $40 ! Some people will buy the same thing with a higher price tag 
just because it's more expensive ...lol. Hah !  So while the Metro tires 
may be only $15 , don't let that fool you, they grip well, have low 
rolling resistance and are supple feeling to me. Maybe they are not a Grand 
Bois or whatever  maybe they are ... lol.   Take the visual perception 
off a tire and a blind comparison test would be very interesting indeed . 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm starting to be antsie about my rain gear arriving, and it doesn't ship 
for 2 more weeks, then it has to swim here from Scotland. I'm pretty sure 
my family was ready to send me out bikepacking without the bike I was so 
nuts waiting for my Hunqapillar. Yeah, hankering for quality gear you only 
have to buy every few decades or a lifetime is normal, if you're smart 
enough to save for and purchase such gear. It never seems to come in a way 
that satisfies instant gratification. Part of the craftsman ethos, I 
suppose. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:58:15 AM UTC-6, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal 
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?  

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East 
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like 
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and 
 around San Diego.  Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Peter Morgano
I can't see cheaping out on tires, personally. I think the piece of mind
that comes with riding on quality rubber is worth it. Overpaying for
nothing is silly, admittedly but getting the right tire can make or break
the ride and feel of a bike.
On May 29, 2013 9:37 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 I'm starting to be antsie about my rain gear arriving, and it doesn't ship
 for 2 more weeks, then it has to swim here from Scotland. I'm pretty sure
 my family was ready to send me out bikepacking without the bike I was so
 nuts waiting for my Hunqapillar. Yeah, hankering for quality gear you only
 have to buy every few decades or a lifetime is normal, if you're smart
 enough to save for and purchase such gear. It never seems to come in a way
 that satisfies instant gratification. Part of the craftsman ethos, I
 suppose. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:58:15 AM UTC-6, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and
 around San Diego.  Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 21:55 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
 I can't see cheaping out on tires, personally. I think the piece of
 mind that comes with riding on quality rubber is worth it. Overpaying
 for nothing is silly, admittedly but getting the right tire can make
 or break the ride and feel of a bike. 

Completely agree.  And when you look at how much everything on a bike
costs, the difference between a great tire and a so-so tire is pretty
small.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-29 Thread Brian Hanson
Great tire for Homer = Grand Bois Cypres. I have a pair in reserve waiting for 
the current pair on my Homer to wear out. Also like Jack Brown greens. 90% road 
10% gravel commute for me. 

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On May 29, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 21:55 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
 I can't see cheaping out on tires, personally. I think the piece of
 mind that comes with riding on quality rubber is worth it. Overpaying
 for nothing is silly, admittedly but getting the right tire can make
 or break the ride and feel of a bike.
 
 Completely agree.  And when you look at how much everything on a bike
 costs, the difference between a great tire and a so-so tire is pretty
 small.
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-28 Thread hsmitham
Welcome Curtis,

I've got a Homer 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/8419648542/in/set-72157632622749622
 and didn't get a bunch of sleep prior to it's arrival nor much afterwards. 
Your reaction is normal. You're in luck SoCal has many great places to ride 
and IMHO East county S.D. has a lot to offer. I particularily like rides 
through Ramona , Julian and the Laguna Mountains I'm actually planning on 
doing a S240 this Summer in the Laguna' with my Brother. I lived down there 
for about 15 years and most of my Family is down there.

There is a SoCal group that has been getting together for rides here is the 
Flickr link: 
http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/
Just jump in on the discussion when we plan a ride.

If I had just one set of tires to buy in 650b then it's the Fatty Rumpkins:
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t105-10086.htm unfortunately no one makes 
a knobby in 650b with a width between 38 to 42 mm. But I have taken them on 
hardcore single track and jeep trails.

The Schwalbe's are a favorite for many as their pretty durable. Don't get 
me wrong the Fatty's are durable too but I need more data points to give a 
100% reccomendation. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t001.htm

I also run the Grand Bois Hetres 
http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_gb_650_42.html mostly on pavement and 
light dirt roads, though others say they use them on gravel roads.

Now if your running a Homer with 700c hoops them others will make 
recommendations.

Here's one last pic of my Homer 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/8752728520/in/set-72157633530268294

Again Welcome aboard! And post pics when you get your steed.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:58:15 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal 
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?  

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East 
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like 
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and 
 around San Diego.  Thanks.


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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-28 Thread Mike Schiller
Hi Curtis, 

I live in North County (Carlsbad) and also ride with the SoCal Riv group 
that  Hugh mentioned. I'm most familiar with North County as I've only 
lived here about 18 months. There are  some nice areas to ride north of 
Escondido to Rainbow and the Rancho Santa Fe area.

There a lot more choices for 700C tires,if that is what you are getting, 
depending on you if  ride mostly on pavement or like dirt roads mixed in 
your travels.

Congrats on the Homer, they are beautiful and versatile bikes.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca



On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:58:15 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal 
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?  

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East 
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like 
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and 
 around San Diego.  Thanks.


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[RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-28 Thread dougP
Curtis:

Congrats on the new bike.  These guys will overwhelm you with great tire 
suggestions (which can lead to lively discussions) but my advice is run 
what you brung.  Mostly this works but was sub-optimal on last weekends 
Loch Leven sand / gravel / rock sections.  Pay attention if David mentions 
knobbies.  My Atlantis is currently shod with 40mm Vittoria Rando Hypers 
which ride nice but proved a bit light for the loose stuff.  

With Mike in Carlsbad  me in southern Orange County, do I sense a 
Fallbrook - Escondido - Elfin Forest - ??? loop or perhaps Mt Palomar in 
the future?  Stick with us, we'll get you lost for sure.

dougP

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:44:30 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Hi Curtis, 

 I live in North County (Carlsbad) and also ride with the SoCal Riv group 
 that  Hugh mentioned. I'm most familiar with North County as I've only 
 lived here about 18 months. There are  some nice areas to ride north of 
 Escondido to Rainbow and the Rancho Santa Fe area.

 There a lot more choices for 700C tires,if that is what you are getting, 
 depending on you if  ride mostly on pavement or like dirt roads mixed in 
 your travels.

 Congrats on the Homer, they are beautiful and versatile bikes.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca



 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:58:15 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal 
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?  

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East 
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like 
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and 
 around San Diego.  Thanks.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-28 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey, don't leave me out! I'll ride SD :-) I like to get lost on a bike.

~Hugh
Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Curtis:

 Congrats on the new bike.  These guys will overwhelm you with great tire
 suggestions (which can lead to lively discussions) but my advice is run
 what you brung.  Mostly this works but was sub-optimal on last weekends
 Loch Leven sand / gravel / rock sections.  Pay attention if David mentions
 knobbies.  My Atlantis is currently shod with 40mm Vittoria Rando Hypers
 which ride nice but proved a bit light for the loose stuff.

 With Mike in Carlsbad  me in southern Orange County, do I sense a Fallbrook
 - Escondido - Elfin Forest - ??? loop or perhaps Mt Palomar in the future?
 Stick with us, we'll get you lost for sure.

 dougP


 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:44:30 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Hi Curtis,

 I live in North County (Carlsbad) and also ride with the SoCal Riv group
 that  Hugh mentioned. I'm most familiar with North County as I've only lived
 here about 18 months. There are  some nice areas to ride north of Escondido
 to Rainbow and the Rancho Santa Fe area.

 There a lot more choices for 700C tires,if that is what you are getting,
 depending on you if  ride mostly on pavement or like dirt roads mixed in
 your travels.

 Congrats on the Homer, they are beautiful and versatile bikes.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca



 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:58:15 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and around
 San Diego.  Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-28 Thread dougP
I am never actually lost; the route sometimes becomes temporarily 
misplaced.  

dougP

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:27:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hey, don't leave me out! I'll ride SD :-) I like to get lost on a bike. 

 ~Hugh 
 Hugh 
 Sunland, Ca 


 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: 
 wrote: 
  Curtis: 
  
  Congrats on the new bike.  These guys will overwhelm you with great tire 
  suggestions (which can lead to lively discussions) but my advice is run 
  what you brung.  Mostly this works but was sub-optimal on last weekends 
  Loch Leven sand / gravel / rock sections.  Pay attention if David 
 mentions 
  knobbies.  My Atlantis is currently shod with 40mm Vittoria Rando 
 Hypers 
  which ride nice but proved a bit light for the loose stuff. 
  
  With Mike in Carlsbad  me in southern Orange County, do I sense a 
 Fallbrook 
  - Escondido - Elfin Forest - ??? loop or perhaps Mt Palomar in the 
 future? 
  Stick with us, we'll get you lost for sure. 
  
  dougP 
  
  
  On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:44:30 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: 
  
  Hi Curtis, 
  
  I live in North County (Carlsbad) and also ride with the SoCal Riv 
 group 
  that  Hugh mentioned. I'm most familiar with North County as I've only 
 lived 
  here about 18 months. There are  some nice areas to ride north of 
 Escondido 
  to Rainbow and the Rancho Santa Fe area. 
  
  There a lot more choices for 700C tires,if that is what you are 
 getting, 
  depending on you if  ride mostly on pavement or like dirt roads mixed 
 in 
  your travels. 
  
  Congrats on the Homer, they are beautiful and versatile bikes. 
  
  ~mike 
  Carlsbad Ca 
  
  
  
  On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:58:15 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: 
  
  Hi, 
  
  Have been reading the post year for about a month. 
  
  Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is 
 normal 
  not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike? 
  
  I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East 
  County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also 
 like 
  to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and 
 around 
  San Diego.  Thanks. 
  
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