[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
As mine is the early green Hillborne, probably not. Hiawatha Cyclery has set up a new Hillorange with Panaracer 700x45 tires and they fit without fenders. Don't need the BAs on the Hillborne as those (in 26x2.0) are on another bike. Sorta like having different tires on different bikes. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 22, 6:31 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm riding 50mm Big Apples (LiteSkin) on my new Atlantis (previously on the Bombadil) and just love them. I'd have to do a side by side comparison with the 50mm Marathon Supremes to see if I could tell them apart. Even took them on a S24O to Angel Island (will post photos when I get a break from work) and they were awesome in the dirt trails and climbs. I have a set of 60mm LiteSkin Big Apples that I rode once on the Bombadil (700c) that I'll be selling. They don't go with fenders, so I got the 50mm instead. I'll be offering them for sale. Don't know if the 50mm BA fit the SH, but if not, the 40mm Marathon Extremes are awesome for mixed terrain rides. René On 7/21/10, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: In the realm of fat tires, I haven't, fortunately, done an exhaustive survey, but I love my Avovet 38 mm(35 actual) cross tires - very comfortable on rough and dirt roads and they roll great on black top. Not sure how available they are any more. Michael On Jul 19, 9:49 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been contemplating tires again on my Hillborne. About a week and a half ago, pulled the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 off and went with the positively skinny Panaracer Pasela TG 700x35. Now, while these tires seem heavier than the Schwalbe, paradoxically the bike seems faster. However, part of me is going why not shove in the biggest tire the bike can take with fenders? Then I could slightly lower the pressure and go for more cush. Incidently, next weekend will be riding on a limestone rail/trail. Something worth considering. Maybe the 35s are too skinny for that type of adventure? Opinions? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne - Update
Thankfully, my LBS happens to be the type of shop that carries Marathon Supreme 700x40. By the time I got there after work, the little bulge had grown. Not quite alarming, but close. And, yeah, I'm a worry-wart. A big thank you to Jim and Mongo (Mark) at Hiawatha Cyclery for quickly getting me back on my way. One slight downside - a new Marathon Supreme appears to be significantly smaller than one that's been on the bike for a year. Had to recalibrate the computer down a touch to get a closer to correct reading. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 20, 7:52 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Thanks for the advice so far. Put the Marathon Supremes back on the Hillborne last night. Unfortunately, noted a sidewall abraison on one tire. Not big, but it is bulging. Rode it to work today. Maybe not confident enough for this weekend. Strange as there seems to be no injury. Just threads breaking where the reflective strip overlaps itself. Must have rubbed it up against something. If I can get a replacement in time, will keep the Supreme tires on the Hillborne. The extra cushion seems worth it. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 20, 4:44 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if the 50mm Big Apples (LiteSkin) fit, since acc. to rivbike.com they measure 44.5mm (presumably on the Riv-standard Synergy rim). Has anyone tried them? For mostly dirt, I put on 42mm IRC Mythos XC Pro Slicks (a true 42mm wide on Synergies), which are great off road and a bit buzzy on road, though I ride both 35mm Paselas and 33 Jack Browns off-road if the majority of the ride is on pavement. Interesting to hear that the 38mm Marathon Racers seem faster than the 35mm Paselas, but then I looked at Michael_S's flickr feed and noticed that he has the TourGuard Paselas. I say that because I just got the non-TG 35mm Paselas (a true 35mm on Synergies) and think they are as fast rolling as the 33mm Jack Brown Greens (also without the puncture protection strip). Due to their higher weight the Paselas do accelerate more slowly than the JBs, but they also coast forever. Gernot On Jul 20, 3:00 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I started with Schwalbe 40mm Smart Sams on my Sam ,a kinda cross tire with knobs, fab in the dirt but slooow on long paved sections. I switched to a 35mm Pasela's, faster on the road and just OK in the dirt. On the Smart Sams I could go pretty fast thru downhill dirt corners, not so on the Paselas. Then I picked up the 38mm Schwalbe Marathon Racer's, much lower rolling resistance (faster) on pavement then the Pasela, and about the same in the dirt. I'm pretty happy with the Racer...except that goathead day, when I ended up with 20 or so on the back and close to that on the front. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/4568075881/in/set-721576231... Lotsa choices...you have to pick something that works for your riding skills and terrain ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:13 am, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote: I have ridden limestone with 32mm Panaracer RiBMos and had absolutely no complaints. The ride was smooth but still fast, and the 32mm tires felt like a perfect match for that terrain; even on the few loose spots and bumpy wash-outs. The person I was ridding with was using 28mm Coninental Gatorskins and he also seemed to think that they were a very good fit (it is important to note that he is also a triathelete and roadie who frequently rides bikes with ~23mm tires so 28mm to him is fat). Contrary to that, I know many people who have ridden the same trail with ~2.1 mountain tires and also have no complaints, and think that the hard-packed limestone is very forgiving and enjoyable for almost any type of tire with a conservative tread 28mm. I think that with limestone, a lot of the cush you are seeking comes from the trail itself as well as the tire. On Jul 19, 8:49 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been contemplating tires again on my Hillborne. About a week and a half ago, pulled the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 off and went with the positively skinny Panaracer Pasela TG 700x35. Now, while these tires seem heavier than the Schwalbe, paradoxically the bike seems faster. However, part of me is going why not shove in the biggest tire the bike can take with fenders? Then I could slightly lower the pressure and go for more cush. Incidently, next weekend will be riding on a limestone rail/trail. Something worth considering. Maybe the 35s are too skinny for that type of adventure? Opinions? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group,
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
In the realm of fat tires, I haven't, fortunately, done an exhaustive survey, but I love my Avovet 38 mm(35 actual) cross tires - very comfortable on rough and dirt roads and they roll great on black top. Not sure how available they are any more. Michael On Jul 19, 9:49 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been contemplating tires again on my Hillborne. About a week and a half ago, pulled the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 off and went with the positively skinny Panaracer Pasela TG 700x35. Now, while these tires seem heavier than the Schwalbe, paradoxically the bike seems faster. However, part of me is going why not shove in the biggest tire the bike can take with fenders? Then I could slightly lower the pressure and go for more cush. Incidently, next weekend will be riding on a limestone rail/trail. Something worth considering. Maybe the 35s are too skinny for that type of adventure? Opinions? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
I wonder if the 50mm Big Apples (LiteSkin) fit, since acc. to rivbike.com they measure 44.5mm (presumably on the Riv-standard Synergy rim). Has anyone tried them? For mostly dirt, I put on 42mm IRC Mythos XC Pro Slicks (a true 42mm wide on Synergies), which are great off road and a bit buzzy on road, though I ride both 35mm Paselas and 33 Jack Browns off-road if the majority of the ride is on pavement. Interesting to hear that the 38mm Marathon Racers seem faster than the 35mm Paselas, but then I looked at Michael_S's flickr feed and noticed that he has the TourGuard Paselas. I say that because I just got the non-TG 35mm Paselas (a true 35mm on Synergies) and think they are as fast rolling as the 33mm Jack Brown Greens (also without the puncture protection strip). Due to their higher weight the Paselas do accelerate more slowly than the JBs, but they also coast forever. Gernot On Jul 20, 3:00 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I started with Schwalbe 40mm Smart Sams on my Sam ,a kinda cross tire with knobs, fab in the dirt but slooow on long paved sections. I switched to a 35mm Pasela's, faster on the road and just OK in the dirt. On the Smart Sams I could go pretty fast thru downhill dirt corners, not so on the Paselas. Then I picked up the 38mm Schwalbe Marathon Racer's, much lower rolling resistance (faster) on pavement then the Pasela, and about the same in the dirt. I'm pretty happy with the Racer...except that goathead day, when I ended up with 20 or so on the back and close to that on the front. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/4568075881/in/set-721576231... Lotsa choices...you have to pick something that works for your riding skills and terrain ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:13 am, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote: I have ridden limestone with 32mm Panaracer RiBMos and had absolutely no complaints. The ride was smooth but still fast, and the 32mm tires felt like a perfect match for that terrain; even on the few loose spots and bumpy wash-outs. The person I was ridding with was using 28mm Coninental Gatorskins and he also seemed to think that they were a very good fit (it is important to note that he is also a triathelete and roadie who frequently rides bikes with ~23mm tires so 28mm to him is fat). Contrary to that, I know many people who have ridden the same trail with ~2.1 mountain tires and also have no complaints, and think that the hard-packed limestone is very forgiving and enjoyable for almost any type of tire with a conservative tread 28mm. I think that with limestone, a lot of the cush you are seeking comes from the trail itself as well as the tire. On Jul 19, 8:49 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been contemplating tires again on my Hillborne. About a week and a half ago, pulled the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 off and went with the positively skinny Panaracer Pasela TG 700x35. Now, while these tires seem heavier than the Schwalbe, paradoxically the bike seems faster. However, part of me is going why not shove in the biggest tire the bike can take with fenders? Then I could slightly lower the pressure and go for more cush. Incidently, next weekend will be riding on a limestone rail/trail. Something worth considering. Maybe the 35s are too skinny for that type of adventure? Opinions? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
Thanks for the advice so far. Put the Marathon Supremes back on the Hillborne last night. Unfortunately, noted a sidewall abraison on one tire. Not big, but it is bulging. Rode it to work today. Maybe not confident enough for this weekend. Strange as there seems to be no injury. Just threads breaking where the reflective strip overlaps itself. Must have rubbed it up against something. If I can get a replacement in time, will keep the Supreme tires on the Hillborne. The extra cushion seems worth it. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 20, 4:44 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if the 50mm Big Apples (LiteSkin) fit, since acc. to rivbike.com they measure 44.5mm (presumably on the Riv-standard Synergy rim). Has anyone tried them? For mostly dirt, I put on 42mm IRC Mythos XC Pro Slicks (a true 42mm wide on Synergies), which are great off road and a bit buzzy on road, though I ride both 35mm Paselas and 33 Jack Browns off-road if the majority of the ride is on pavement. Interesting to hear that the 38mm Marathon Racers seem faster than the 35mm Paselas, but then I looked at Michael_S's flickr feed and noticed that he has the TourGuard Paselas. I say that because I just got the non-TG 35mm Paselas (a true 35mm on Synergies) and think they are as fast rolling as the 33mm Jack Brown Greens (also without the puncture protection strip). Due to their higher weight the Paselas do accelerate more slowly than the JBs, but they also coast forever. Gernot On Jul 20, 3:00 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I started with Schwalbe 40mm Smart Sams on my Sam ,a kinda cross tire with knobs, fab in the dirt but slooow on long paved sections. I switched to a 35mm Pasela's, faster on the road and just OK in the dirt. On the Smart Sams I could go pretty fast thru downhill dirt corners, not so on the Paselas. Then I picked up the 38mm Schwalbe Marathon Racer's, much lower rolling resistance (faster) on pavement then the Pasela, and about the same in the dirt. I'm pretty happy with the Racer...except that goathead day, when I ended up with 20 or so on the back and close to that on the front. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/4568075881/in/set-721576231... Lotsa choices...you have to pick something that works for your riding skills and terrain ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:13 am, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote: I have ridden limestone with 32mm Panaracer RiBMos and had absolutely no complaints. The ride was smooth but still fast, and the 32mm tires felt like a perfect match for that terrain; even on the few loose spots and bumpy wash-outs. The person I was ridding with was using 28mm Coninental Gatorskins and he also seemed to think that they were a very good fit (it is important to note that he is also a triathelete and roadie who frequently rides bikes with ~23mm tires so 28mm to him is fat). Contrary to that, I know many people who have ridden the same trail with ~2.1 mountain tires and also have no complaints, and think that the hard-packed limestone is very forgiving and enjoyable for almost any type of tire with a conservative tread 28mm. I think that with limestone, a lot of the cush you are seeking comes from the trail itself as well as the tire. On Jul 19, 8:49 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been contemplating tires again on my Hillborne. About a week and a half ago, pulled the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 off and went with the positively skinny Panaracer Pasela TG 700x35. Now, while these tires seem heavier than the Schwalbe, paradoxically the bike seems faster. However, part of me is going why not shove in the biggest tire the bike can take with fenders? Then I could slightly lower the pressure and go for more cush. Incidently, next weekend will be riding on a limestone rail/trail. Something worth considering. Maybe the 35s are too skinny for that type of adventure? Opinions? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
Last year I toured on Schwalbe Marathon 700x47 (actual 41) and they were fine. Sure, they're a bit sluggish but fine for touring. No flats and performed well off-road. I got them through Rivendell and they were really quite cheap. And considering how well they wear, they're about one of the best deals out there for a tire. Currently I have Schwalbe Marathon 700x40 (37?) on my Hilsen and am heading out for a camping trip. I like those also, I pulled them off my commuter. I'm expecting them to perform about the same, just a little less cush. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
I've ridden miles of crushed limestone rail trails in WI on my 650b Grand Bois Cypres (32mm) and my wife was on Pasela TGs 700x37 I believe, with no complaints from either of us. I now live in western MN on gravel roads. The tires felt much more surefooted on the crushed limestone. They aren't bad on the gravel, just not as stable as I was hoping in some of the looser stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
After riding Pasela TG 37's (which I love) on my Hillborne for about six months, I would like something bigger for the occasional off road ride..(without fenders). I called Riv HQ a couple months ago and asked about the Supreme 50's bc the Riv website says they actually measure around 45mm on a Synergy rim. The Hillborne is rated to take 44mm max without Fenders. I can't remember who I spoke with, but they tested a set of 50's on a Green 56 Hillborne frame, like mine..and said they barely fit...but they do indeed fit, just a tiny bit of clearance. FWIW, when I was at Rivendell last August, Kevin told me that the orange Hillbornes have just a bit more tire clearance than the Green Hillbornes. I think he said the chainstays are rolled in a little more. I've been curious if the Dureme 50's also measure an actual 45mm like the Supreme's...(on a 22mm rim), but I can't find that data anywhere. Still I think I'm going to order a pair of Supreme 50's and hope for the best. I'm thinking of using my budget deore wheelset as the offroad one and keep the big tires on permanently, as I've recently had a front dynamo wheel built. Now I just need to find a way to make a rear 7 speed Phil FW wheel happen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
I have ridden limestone with 32mm Panaracer RiBMos and had absolutely no complaints. The ride was smooth but still fast, and the 32mm tires felt like a perfect match for that terrain; even on the few loose spots and bumpy wash-outs. The person I was ridding with was using 28mm Coninental Gatorskins and he also seemed to think that they were a very good fit (it is important to note that he is also a triathelete and roadie who frequently rides bikes with ~23mm tires so 28mm to him is fat). Contrary to that, I know many people who have ridden the same trail with ~2.1 mountain tires and also have no complaints, and think that the hard-packed limestone is very forgiving and enjoyable for almost any type of tire with a conservative tread 28mm. I think that with limestone, a lot of the cush you are seeking comes from the trail itself as well as the tire. On Jul 19, 8:49 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been contemplating tires again on my Hillborne. About a week and a half ago, pulled the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 off and went with the positively skinny Panaracer Pasela TG 700x35. Now, while these tires seem heavier than the Schwalbe, paradoxically the bike seems faster. However, part of me is going why not shove in the biggest tire the bike can take with fenders? Then I could slightly lower the pressure and go for more cush. Incidently, next weekend will be riding on a limestone rail/trail. Something worth considering. Maybe the 35s are too skinny for that type of adventure? Opinions? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam Hillborne
I started with Schwalbe 40mm Smart Sams on my Sam ,a kinda cross tire with knobs, fab in the dirt but slooow on long paved sections. I switched to a 35mm Pasela's, faster on the road and just OK in the dirt. On the Smart Sams I could go pretty fast thru downhill dirt corners, not so on the Paselas. Then I picked up the 38mm Schwalbe Marathon Racer's, much lower rolling resistance (faster) on pavement then the Pasela, and about the same in the dirt. I'm pretty happy with the Racer...except that goathead day, when I ended up with 20 or so on the back and close to that on the front. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/4568075881/in/set-72157623110722902/ Lotsa choices...you have to pick something that works for your riding skills and terrain ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:13 am, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote: I have ridden limestone with 32mm Panaracer RiBMos and had absolutely no complaints. The ride was smooth but still fast, and the 32mm tires felt like a perfect match for that terrain; even on the few loose spots and bumpy wash-outs. The person I was ridding with was using 28mm Coninental Gatorskins and he also seemed to think that they were a very good fit (it is important to note that he is also a triathelete and roadie who frequently rides bikes with ~23mm tires so 28mm to him is fat). Contrary to that, I know many people who have ridden the same trail with ~2.1 mountain tires and also have no complaints, and think that the hard-packed limestone is very forgiving and enjoyable for almost any type of tire with a conservative tread 28mm. I think that with limestone, a lot of the cush you are seeking comes from the trail itself as well as the tire. On Jul 19, 8:49 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been contemplating tires again on my Hillborne. About a week and a half ago, pulled the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 off and went with the positively skinny Panaracer Pasela TG 700x35. Now, while these tires seem heavier than the Schwalbe, paradoxically the bike seems faster. However, part of me is going why not shove in the biggest tire the bike can take with fenders? Then I could slightly lower the pressure and go for more cush. Incidently, next weekend will be riding on a limestone rail/trail. Something worth considering. Maybe the 35s are too skinny for that type of adventure? Opinions? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
