Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters? ... I would say the versatility to change handlebars more easily and the ability pack bikes for shipping with less cable to worry about when folding into the box. Seems like it might be less stable in the rough, and maybe not much better than down-tube shifters? Also ... regarding cable cutters - Pedro's is another good option. If you are frequently changing setups, the payback on getting your own snips and cables is pretty short. I recently took the plunge to more extensively (and expensively) build out my toolkit with the odd crank-pullers, BB tool's, cassette tools, etc., and have to say it's been a fun and educational experience getting under the hood. * * * * * * * * On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:58:03 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Get a quality cutter and go for it, don't try to use your standard wire cutters, the park tool is worth the investment. On Apr 4, 2013 11:55 AM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: It's not hard, but if you've never done it before, you may want to use the bike shop. You'll need a cable/housing cutter and a couple of replacement cables just in case. Measure twice, cut once, and if you somehow can't get the bike to shift well (some minor derailers adjustments may be needed), then take it to the bike shop or learn how to adjust them. I'd say go for it if you have the cables and cable cutter. Plenty of information online if you need some instructional references. René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Ha! I just came back in from moving them to that exact spot, René. Thanks! Now, for the mechanically inept, how easy is it to shorten the cables (after riding with them too long to ensure I like the stem position)? Or am I best off taking it to a shop? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:04:45 AM UTC-6, René wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/sh15.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8550045363/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8370178221/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comwrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-**UShttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Playing, yesterday, my 1-day-a-week television role of Doctor Moore, Bicycle Repairman at a nearby shop, I spent far too much of the owner's time cleaning and overhauling an old Schwinn Collegiate with wide range 5-speed shifted by a massive, Cold Forged Hunqua-Iron, stem-mounted lever pulling a cherry Alvit rear derailleur -- I have NO idea why people diss Alvits, this one and that on the almost identical Collegiate I owned a few years ago shifted wonderfully. Anyway, what a magnificent piece of ironmongery. The ideal pairing would be a NOS Cyclo derailleur (Dick Hallet of the erstwhile World Champion Bicycles here in ABQ placed in this, my very own little, sweaty palm, a NOS one, 24 oz of pure, manly iron) and the Schwinn approved stem lever. Probably a good 4 lbs right there! (Aside: after working on low end mountain bikes -- and these are not WalMart shite, just low end bike shop inventory -- that Collegiate shines like a true, honest, blue collar piece of machinery: well designed with both practical touches -- slotted housing stops -- and aesthetic ones -- nicely radiused joints thanks -- I've been told -- to careful hand filing. Make a similar bike with similar care out of modern price-point materials -- mostly aluminum, you will have to admit -- and you would have a very decent runabout for a few hundred.) On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Andy Forquer forq...@gmail.com wrote: Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters? ... I would say the versatility to change handlebars more easily and the ability pack bikes for shipping with less cable to worry about when folding into the box. Seems like it might be less stable in the rough, and maybe not much better than down-tube shifters? Also ... regarding cable cutters - Pedro's is another good option. If you are frequently changing setups, the payback on getting your own snips and cables is pretty short. I recently took the plunge to more extensively (and expensively) build out my toolkit with the odd crank-pullers, BB tool's, cassette tools, etc., and have to say it's been a fun and educational experience getting under the hood. * * * * * * * * On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:58:03 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Get a quality cutter and go for it, don't try to use your standard wire cutters, the park tool is worth the investment. On Apr 4, 2013 11:55 AM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com wrote: It's not hard, but if you've never done it before, you may want to use the bike shop. You'll need a cable/housing cutter and a couple of replacement cables just in case. Measure twice, cut once, and if you somehow can't get the bike to shift well (some minor derailers adjustments may be needed), then take it to the bike shop or learn how to adjust them. I'd say go for it if you have the cables and cable cutter. Plenty of information online if you need some instructional references. René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Ha! I just came back in from moving them to that exact spot, René. Thanks! Now, for the mechanically inept, how easy is it to shorten the cables (after riding with them too long to ensure I like the stem position)? Or am I best off taking it to a shop? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:04:45 AM UTC-6, René wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/** product**-p/sh15.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**o**rthie251/8550045363/in/set-**721** 57625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**o**rthie251/8370178221/in/set-** 721**57625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comwrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Sorry I'm a total late-comer to this thread (it's been that kinda week)—but I gotta share that in the late '60's, I saved all my allowance, birthday presents, and christmas presents (I announced I only wanted cash) and bought a Schwinn Cherry Krate just like this one only red: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Schwinn_StingRay_OrangeKrate_5speed_1968.jpg If I remember, it cost about $92. Springer front end, rear shock absorbers, front drum brake, bobbed fender, rear racing slick, stick shift... I thought I was cool until I realized how much work it was to pedal. But just goes to show that I have always been in love with bikes. RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
If anyone's inclined to try a top tube-mounted position, Problem Solvers has a clamp on shifter mount. Designed as 31.8mm clamp with shims for 28.6mm tubes, and mounts Shimano shifters. I don't see why it couldn't be attached to the top tube (assuming diameter is appropriate). http://problemsolversbike.com/products/downtube_shifter_mounts On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:00:47 AM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote: More like this http://www.bikequarterly.com/images/faure.jpg And if you are concerned about the shifters, you also should be concerned about the stem right in front of them... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.com On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur). Like this, you mean? Very popular back in the 70s, I believe. But at least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Joe, your bike is beyond trick. On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:35:07 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I just returned from a shakedown ride with new stemmies on La Ramba. Mavic/Simplex retrofriction shifting a 7/8-speed-era front Dura-Ace double and rear Mavic on a 12-27 9-speed cassette. It's both the bee's knees *and * the cat's pajamas. Very nice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/18972972@N08/8617126193/ Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Steve, nice example. I had the '69 version of The Rail http://budgetbicyclectr.com/1967-sears-the-rail-muscle-bicycle.html Wish I still had it, but my dad sold it when I got my Wards 10 speed On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 9:01:53 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur). Like this, you mean? Very popular back in the 70s, I believe. But at least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Sorry, posted two photos of the same IRD mount. Here's a photo of the thumbies: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6533403569/in/set-72157625115263842 And a better one of an older Atlantis configuration when I first did it: Left shifter goes on the bottom, right shifter on the top since it's the most used: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/5810302107/in/set-72157625129486363 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:04 AM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Ha! I just came back in from moving them to that exact spot, René. Thanks! Now, for the mechanically inept, how easy is it to shorten the cables (after riding with them too long to ensure I like the stem position)? Or am I best off taking it to a shop? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:04:45 AM UTC-6, René wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
It's not hard, but if you've never done it before, you may want to use the bike shop. You'll need a cable/housing cutter and a couple of replacement cables just in case. Measure twice, cut once, and if you somehow can't get the bike to shift well (some minor derailers adjustments may be needed), then take it to the bike shop or learn how to adjust them. I'd say go for it if you have the cables and cable cutter. Plenty of information online if you need some instructional references. René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ha! I just came back in from moving them to that exact spot, René. Thanks! Now, for the mechanically inept, how easy is it to shorten the cables (after riding with them too long to ensure I like the stem position)? Or am I best off taking it to a shop? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:04:45 AM UTC-6, René wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/sh15.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8550045363/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8370178221/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-**UShttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Get a quality cutter and go for it, don't try to use your standard wire cutters, the park tool is worth the investment. On Apr 4, 2013 11:55 AM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: It's not hard, but if you've never done it before, you may want to use the bike shop. You'll need a cable/housing cutter and a couple of replacement cables just in case. Measure twice, cut once, and if you somehow can't get the bike to shift well (some minor derailers adjustments may be needed), then take it to the bike shop or learn how to adjust them. I'd say go for it if you have the cables and cable cutter. Plenty of information online if you need some instructional references. René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ha! I just came back in from moving them to that exact spot, René. Thanks! Now, for the mechanically inept, how easy is it to shorten the cables (after riding with them too long to ensure I like the stem position)? Or am I best off taking it to a shop? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:04:45 AM UTC-6, René wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/sh15.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8550045363/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8370178221/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-**UShttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Agreed. Good tools are worthwhile, but you can do it without the Park cutter. I just cut some (Jagwire) shifter housing with my regular sidecutters, and it was very hard. Not impossible. I've never used the real tool, but now I might get one. You shouldn't need replacement cables, since you're shortening things, but if you do cut one cable or housing short, steal the rear one and just replace that. After you cut the housing, poke an awl into the end to open up the plastic liner, and square up the end with a file or sanding block. If you're careful with the pliers, you can reuse the cable ends, too. Squish 'em open and slide them off. You get a square hole, but it works about 80% of the time. Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:58:03 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Get a quality cutter and go for it, don't try to use your standard wire cutters, the park tool is worth the investment. On Apr 4, 2013 11:55 AM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: It's not hard, but if you've never done it before, you may want to use the bike shop. You'll need a cable/housing cutter and a couple of replacement cables just in case. Measure twice, cut once, and if you somehow can't get the bike to shift well (some minor derailers adjustments may be needed), then take it to the bike shop or learn how to adjust them. I'd say go for it if you have the cables and cable cutter. Plenty of information online if you need some instructional references. René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Ha! I just came back in from moving them to that exact spot, René. Thanks! Now, for the mechanically inept, how easy is it to shorten the cables (after riding with them too long to ensure I like the stem position)? Or am I best off taking it to a shop? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:04:45 AM UTC-6, René wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/sh15.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8550045363/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8370178221/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comwrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-**UShttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Get the Park cable cutters. I've had my first pair for years, and it's been eminently useable many times over. Worth every penny. On Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:35:41 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: Agreed. Good tools are worthwhile, but you can do it without the Park cutter. I just cut some (Jagwire) shifter housing with my regular sidecutters, and it was very hard. Not impossible. I've never used the real tool, but now I might get one. You shouldn't need replacement cables, since you're shortening things, but if you do cut one cable or housing short, steal the rear one and just replace that. After you cut the housing, poke an awl into the end to open up the plastic liner, and square up the end with a file or sanding block. If you're careful with the pliers, you can reuse the cable ends, too. Squish 'em open and slide them off. You get a square hole, but it works about 80% of the time. Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:58:03 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Get a quality cutter and go for it, don't try to use your standard wire cutters, the park tool is worth the investment. On Apr 4, 2013 11:55 AM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com wrote: It's not hard, but if you've never done it before, you may want to use the bike shop. You'll need a cable/housing cutter and a couple of replacement cables just in case. Measure twice, cut once, and if you somehow can't get the bike to shift well (some minor derailers adjustments may be needed), then take it to the bike shop or learn how to adjust them. I'd say go for it if you have the cables and cable cutter. Plenty of information online if you need some instructional references. René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Ha! I just came back in from moving them to that exact spot, René. Thanks! Now, for the mechanically inept, how easy is it to shorten the cables (after riding with them too long to ensure I like the stem position)? Or am I best off taking it to a shop? With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:04:45 AM UTC-6, René wrote: Patrick, You have two options: - IRD Stem quill shifter mount sold by RBW: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/sh15.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm, which is the most elegant solution IMO. Currently on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8550045363/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8550045363/in/set-72157625115263842 - Use the two thumbies you have, provided they are the albatross bar and stem are the same diameter (they should be), like I first did it on my Betty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**orthie251/8370178221/in/set-** 72157625115263842http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842 René On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comwrote: You lot have got me thinking. Uh oh! Grin. I have moved my thumb shifters to the center of my Albatross and have a lot of delicious curve now available. Haven't tried it out on a real ride yet, so I don't know if the shifting reach will annoy me. Not exactly stem shifters, but stem area shifters. Any ideas for mounting the thumbies on the stem? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49:35 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-**UShttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Thanks, Ron! It came to me as a mostly-complete bike from Jason Leach a couple weeks ago. I added the cockpit, which is flipped Nitto 3-speed bars of indeterminate nomenclature (bought years ago, then stashed), Nitto Tallux, early-'90s Ritchey-labeled Dia-Compe brake levers, Ergon grips, and the shifters. I also swapped in a Nitto S83 seatpost and Brooks saddle, and the Mavic rear derailer. The rest came with the bike, including the Shimano 34-48 compact double cranks, which I think are RSX with the sticker removed. It's a really nice bike..I'm thrilled with it. On Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:56:48 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: Joe, your bike is beyond trick. On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:35:07 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I just returned from a shakedown ride with new stemmies on La Ramba. Mavic/Simplex retrofriction shifting a 7/8-speed-era front Dura-Ace double and rear Mavic on a 12-27 9-speed cassette. It's both the bee's knees * and* the cat's pajamas. Very nice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/18972972@N08/8617126193/ Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Jan: Just speculating here, but I wonder if it was because so many early derailers were chain actuated, which made the cable angle less critical, allowing for more varied cable routing. Then the next generation of derailers required the cable to enter from the rear, which pretty much limited routing to along the chainstay. Nick Worthington On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:57:09 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote: I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more upright position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
It certainly looks like it should work, since it appears to be planar. I like the idea! On Thursday, April 4, 2013 5:00:20 PM UTC-7, Meade Anderson wrote: *Has anybody tried using the problem solvers mounts as a spacer on an threadless steerer? Yup, you’ll have to shim it but that’s easy…is there any reason it won’t work?* * * *Thanks* * * *meade* * * *Other recipients: * If anyone's inclined to try a top tube-mounted position, Problem Solvers has a clamp on shifter mount. Designed as 31.8mm clamp with shims for 28.6mm tubes, and mounts Shimano shifters. I don't see why it couldn't be attached to the top tube (assuming diameter is appropriate). http://problemsolversbike.com/products/downtube_shifter_mounts Meade Anderson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
I've wondered for a whole why no one has made a spacer with two shifter bosses on either side... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
they make total sense for an upright bike. On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:49:35 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
They're accessible enough without being t. If you think of shifting instantly as a your right as a cyclist, then you won't want 'em, but if you see shifting as a nice convenience and then say OK, that's plenty convenient (which maybe it isn't in some circumstances, but nothing that Better Planning Foresight can't take care of), then there's just nothing wrong with them. I like how they make a new bike out of any bike (retrofits) and I like the --- I dunno, I just like them. As much as any, although I like BES and Thumbies too--and I'm lazy enough to not undo what I've already got. On my next bike, I'm going for stemmies. On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
I rather liked the very hefty and solid, chromed stem shifters on the almost-pristine Collegiate I owned a few years ago (owned briefly -- sold it). They shifted the wide range 5 speed fw very well through an Alvit -- don't know why people sneer at the Alvit. That said, on any bike with anything except upright bars -- ie, if I am bending over the bar -- I prefer bar end or down tube shifters, though for frequent shifting there is very much to be said for the old Kelly Takeoffs which I really liked for half stepping. They could be shifted from hoods or hooks. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, gep71...@gmail.com wrote: They're accessible enough without being t. If you think of shifting instantly as a your right as a cyclist, then you won't want 'em, but if you see shifting as a nice convenience and then say OK, that's plenty convenient (which maybe it isn't in some circumstances, but nothing that Better Planning Foresight can't take care of), then there's just nothing wrong with them. I like how they make a new bike out of any bike (retrofits) and I like the --- I dunno, I just like them. As much as any, although I like BES and Thumbies too--and I'm lazy enough to not undo what I've already got. On my next bike, I'm going for stemmies. On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- __ BUSINESS BUILDING COME-ON!! $300 off a $600 resume + letter or Linked In profile package with referral that leads to full price sale! Refer two full-pay clients and you get the package for free! I am not cheap, but I am very good. So they say. http://resumespecialties.com/testimonials.html Patrick Moore, Ph.D, MBA, ACRW, Albuquerque, NM, USA http://resumespecialties.com/index.html * patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
I loved the positive action of stem mounted shifters, something about how long the levers are just seemed effortless to shift. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I just returned from a shakedown ride with new stemmies on La Ramba. Mavic/Simplex retrofriction shifting a 7/8-speed-era front Dura-Ace double and rear Mavic on a 12-27 9-speed cassette. It's both the bee's knees *and * the cat's pajamas. Very nice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/18972972@N08/8617126193/ Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano bar-end shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur). Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur). Like this, you mean? Very popular back in the 70s, I believe. But at least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. attachment: stingray.jpg
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
More like this http://www.bikequarterly.com/images/faure.jpg And if you are concerned about the shifters, you also should be concerned about the stem right in front of them... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.com On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur). Like this, you mean? Very popular back in the 70s, I believe. But at least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?
Jan, Off topic but it piqued my interest, what is this thing situated on the fender between the headlight and straddle cable in the second picture? On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: More like this http://www.bikequarterly.com/images/faure.jpg And if you are concerned about the shifters, you also should be concerned about the stem right in front of them... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.com On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur). Like this, you mean? Very popular back in the 70s, I believe. But at least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
