Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-21 Thread Jan Heine
Agreed. I should have written leading or front edge. Especially when mounting tire wipers, they should go on the trailing (front) edge of the fender, so they don't get sucked into the fender when bigger debris hits them... I apologize for any confusion. Jan Heine Bicycle Quarterly

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-21 Thread Jan Heine
Time for one last correction. Debris hits the leading or _rear_ edge of the fender and either must go through or be slow enough that it falls back onto the road without collapsing the fender. Tire wipers are mounted on the trailing or _front_ edge of the fender. Sorry for the continued

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-19 Thread Jan Heine
Most of the classic French randonneur machines had very *generous* fender clearances, and that, together with the wide, and thus stiff, fenders, seems to be the reason why there are no reports of fender accidents. Generally, more clearance is better. At some point, it doesn't look nice, and

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-19 Thread Anton Tutter
Not to nitpick, but my engineering background compels me to explain that when looking at fender/wheel dynamics, the trailing edge would be, counterintuitively, the front edge of the fender, not the rear edge. Aerodynamically, trailing edge refers to the rear of an object going through a wind

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-18 Thread John Phillips
What is the fattest slick these wipers will fit? Thanks, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
este - Jan Heine's photo http://www.compasscycle.com/images/tires_wipers3.jpg I've deflected sticks, rocks, piles of leaves and twigs, scraped mud - they work great.. Was riding with some friends after a good summer monsoon ran-off mud all over a paved city greenway that follows a creek

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
should have included this link - http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_wipers_700.html On Friday, October 17, 2014 5:53:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: este - Jan Heine's photo http://www.compasscycle.com/images/tires_wipers3.jpg I've deflected sticks, rocks, piles of leaves and twigs, scraped mud

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Hechmer
The rule of thumb for metal fenders is tire size plus 18 mm as a minimum. This allows 4 mm for each rolled edge and 10 mm of clearance. If you can go somewhat bigger than that, you should. The added space gives you the option of bigger tires in the future and reduces the chance of something

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Brian Campbell
I think that is the rear tire, shot from the non-drive side of the bike. You can see the chain in the backround. On Friday, October 17, 2014 6:53:40 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: este - Jan Heine's photo http://www.compasscycle.com/images/tires_wipers3.jpg I've deflected sticks, rocks, piles of

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Eric Norris
I’ve read Jan’s article and various emails and comments about fender clearance, but I haven’t seen anyone address the possibility that tight fender clearances improve safety by helping to *exclude* objects from being caught between the fender and tire. If I have 1cm of clearance (about a half

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
Brian, if you search tire savers images, you can see examples of them mounted in both rotation directions. They work great this way, they eject Everything except dust and water from the fenders, and there is no physical way they could turn under the fender. Regards On Friday, October 17,

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Jeffrey Marco
My rule is if they don't rub, they fit. On Monday, October 13, 2014 11:46:09 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: 1. How much clearance above tread, all around tire? 2. How much clearance from sides of tire (where the rolled edges envelope sides of tire)? 3. Should I just get the widest fender that

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Anton Tutter
Yes, that is on the front of the fender (the trailing edge). That would be preferred to the leading edge (the rear), but the way the tire savers are designed, if on the leading edge and something snags them, the rubber tubes holding the scraper will just give and no jamming into the fender will

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Hechmer
I think Eric's points are very well worth considering. The tighter tolerances leave little room for error. If you load your bike in the back of the car, there is a good chance that the fender will be knocked out of your perfect line. If you are prepared to live with that tight tolerance

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Brian Campbell
Thanks for the education. I had not seen them installed that way before. Now, are you SURE they are installed correctly :-)? On Friday, October 17, 2014 11:53:28 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: Brian, if you search tire savers images, you can see examples of them mounted in both rotation directions.

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
all I know is they work On Friday, October 17, 2014 7:54:07 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: Thanks for the education. I had not seen them installed that way before. Now, are you SURE they are installed correctly :-)? On Friday, October 17, 2014 11:53:28 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: Brian, if

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-16 Thread Brian Campbell
Are your tire scrapers installed backwards? Can't they be forced under the fender? On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:05:10 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: here's the best safety option for Honjo fenders - tire wipers - Compass sells them.

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-14 Thread Anton Tutter
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:23:37 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: And by the way...How come Honjo Hammered fenders for 650b prices swing wildly from 80-something$/pair to almost 200$/pair? Are there different levels of quality among Honjo 650b hammered fenders? Special runs? Be careful

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-14 Thread Ron Mc
here's the best safety option for Honjo fenders - tire wipers - Compass sells them. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP5280024.jpg You can see them at the bottom of my fenders. They keep Everything except dust and water out of the fenders - they even scrape

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-14 Thread Ron Mc
Anton, I bought my Honjos from Jitensa and even racking up stays and fasteners, the bill was not excessive. If you totally want to cut the cost, you can go with Tanaka fenders (who I'm guessing makes VO fenders). On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:40:10 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: On

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-13 Thread lungimsam
I'm keeping the Hetres. But I want to try Cypress 32's just to see how they feel in comparison (there is another thread of mine from a month or so ago about ponderings on that, but now I'm talking fenders, not tires.). If they feel just as good to me, then I might use them since I think they

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-13 Thread lungimsam
And by the way...How come Honjo Hammered fenders for 650b prices swing wildly from 80-something$/pair to almost 200$/pair? Are there different levels of quality among Honjo 650b hammered fenders? Special runs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW