Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-28 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Back when the mystery bike was still a mystery, Grant had thrown out a clue, which I had wrongly guessed as meaning the inclusion of a Hammerschmidt 2-speed derailleur-less crankset. Well I wonder now whether it might not be a bad experiment to try out the FSA Metropolis Patterson crank on

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-28 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
The gear range from the cassette in back is enough at least for now for my contemplated usage of the Mystery Bike (which shall henceforth be known as the Dasher Hammett), Bobby, so install away on your SO. But interestingly, while riding with Grant yesterday at the College Park ride, I asked

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-28 Thread James Warren
Whoah! That's really interesting. Also, Tom, your bike looks awesome! And even though I'm the one who brought up the SRAM 1x11 thing, I'm pretty sure now that (partlyas a result ofthe discussion from this fineforum) that I would choose Alfine 11 over SRAM derailleur 11. -Original Message-

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-27 Thread Tom M
I'm really kind of intrigued by the 1x11. From what I've read, it's a whole system — special front crankset with the teeth shaped so that no chain catcher is required, and the RD is new as well, moving differently than typical derailers. This link has some details:

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-27 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Interesting and doubtless silly-expensive. I'd like to know the proposed price of those one-piece cassettes. The idea is good, but I wish they'd put that RD into cheaper, wider-range (500%+) and more efficient internal geared hubs instead of ever more complex and expensive -- and finicky? Don't

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 19:59 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Interesting and doubtless silly-expensive. I'd like to know the proposed price of those one-piece cassettes. I saw $450 ea mentioned on the VSalon forum, IIRC. That's one hell of a piece of change for a wear item. -- You received

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-27 Thread Tom M
I believe the cassettes are around $425, and they require a special hub. You're buying a system, really. It's geared for terrain riding, so a different market than the Roloff. Lighter, too, I'd imagine. On Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:00:02 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: Interesting and

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-27 Thread Peter Morgano
So for the whole system, cassette, special hub and special chainring/crankset you are over 1k? That is alot of outlay. Thats almost 3 full Alfine 11 hubs which each last for about 5 years of heavy use. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting and

RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD I remember reading somewhere (in the RR?) on the subject of ever-expanding cassettes, seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, ten is getting a little ridiculous. To which I

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread Matt Beebe
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RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Beebe Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:44 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD I hope to try a Rohloff one day. People who have them swear by them, and judging by their huge ratio range, reputation

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread James Warren
Well, I'm not sure why SRAM designed it since triples are perfectly good. But given that it is coming out, I know that if I had a bike that was designed to not have a front derailleur, I would certainly want all my gearing covered with one ring. I do not want to get off to shift by hand or

RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread James Warren
mas J" <thomas.alling...@skadden.com>Sent: Sep 26, 2012 2:33 PM To: "'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'" <RBW-OWNERS-BUNCH@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM>Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD At least for the new model with its horizontal drops, you can use

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 15:44 -0700, James Warren wrote: Well, I'm not sure why SRAM designed it since triples are perfectly good. But given that it is coming out, I know that if I had a bike that was designed to not have a front derailleur, I would certainly want all my gearing covered with

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread James Warren
Shifting gears while the bike is stopped and your feet are on the ground is a nice benefit. Really helps a lot in traffic. And a straight chain path with no rear derailleur to run through is nice as well. Additionally, as Doug mentioned, there is the gear range issue. Rohloff for sure and I

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-26 Thread Peter Morgano
I run an alfine on my bombadil and it is really nice not having to worry about dropping a chain or missing a gear, being able to shift at a light and not having to worry about the elements on the rear wheel. I know they have thier haters but I think when people give it a shot they seem to like

Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-23 Thread Peter Morgano
If they made a bar end shifter for that 11 speed alfine I would be all over it but I have used the click box before and it is so obtrusive. Alas jtek takes their time with a product and the bigwigs at shimano has no plans to make one. On Sep 23, 2012 7:48 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com