Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Rosco Bubbe is down in the books as bike #7 in my 200 miles on 10 bikes 
challenge.  The Medium Mountain Step Thru went out with a bang, on a 
classic Riv-content ride.  Out my front door, to the top of Mount Diablo 
and back to my front door.  




78 miles and 6700 feet of climbing on a practically perfect day in the Bay 
Area.  We're looking West from the summit and that bump on the horizon is 
Mount Tam.  The bike did spectacularly well.  I've continued to dial in 
this bike, now with a Black Brooks B17 and a Mountain Campee front rack 
with detachable lowriders.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 3:22:15 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I had several small projects on the workstand this week.  I laced up a 
> couple new wheels, and did several tire swaps on a few of my bikes.  The 
> result of the tire swaps left me with a pair of Compass Babyshoe Pass 
> Extralights that could go in the tire box, or could go on another bike.  
> So, I decided to deck out my Medium Step-Thru as a stripped down road 
> racing machine.  
>
> Racy Rosco Step Thru 
> 
>
> I'm thinking that with some black aluminum fenders and the right front 
> rack, we'll be totally Rando-Ready.  
>
> On my 10x200 challenge, I've been doing shorter rides including all-out 
> effort intervals.  I'm tracking my progress/fitness by shooting for 
> Personal Records on all my frequent East Bay Climbs.  Today, I went all-out 
> for a PR on the climb up Wildcat Canyon.  I felt very good about it, only 
> to find I accidentally hit the "stop" button on Strava and failed to record 
> any of my 35 mile jaunt.  We'll never know whether I did a PR or not.  Did 
> it really happen?  Is Strava equivalent to Pictures?  
>
> As it stands, I'm still at 6 bikes.  I should be able to finish up 200 
> miles on both my Mountain bike as well as the step-thru this week.  That 
> will leave my double-speed Gunnar and my Rosco Road bike as bike number 9 
> and 10.  I'm about ready to concede that there is no way I'm getting 200 
> miles in on my tandem.  There is just not enough willing stokerage going on 
> in my immediate vicinity. I'm OK with that.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for posting the graphic, Philip. You did a nice job. I remember 
running across that catalog page years ago, and tried with no success to 
find it during the most recent mixte discussion. I am of the opinion that 
mixte in this sense  does not mean co-ed, but "dual" or "mixed" as in the 
twin top tubes and/or the dual seat stays. Because otherwise why wouldn't 
all the other styles be co-ed as well?  But I am decidedly a derailleur guy.


On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 11:36:52 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> I'm pretty lax with the mixte ("co-ed") designation personally, but you 
> may have seen this graphic on my site. It is my production artwork, copied 
> from a picture of a catalog page. 
> http://www.biketinker.com/2014/bike-art/types-of-step-through-frames/
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
> Santa Rosa, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Philip Williamson]

I'm pretty lax with the mixte ("co-ed") designation personally, but you may 
have seen this graphic on my site. It is my production artwork, copied from a 
picture of a catalog page. 
http://www.biketinker.com/2014/bike-art/types-of-step-through-frames/

Philip
www.biketinker.com
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

I had several small projects on the workstand this week.  I laced up a 
couple new wheels, and did several tire swaps on a few of my bikes.  The 
result of the tire swaps left me with a pair of Compass Babyshoe Pass 
Extralights that could go in the tire box, or could go on another bike.  
So, I decided to deck out my Medium Step-Thru as a stripped down road 
racing machine.  

Racy Rosco Step Thru 


I'm thinking that with some black aluminum fenders and the right front 
rack, we'll be totally Rando-Ready.  

On my 10x200 challenge, I've been doing shorter rides including all-out 
effort intervals.  I'm tracking my progress/fitness by shooting for 
Personal Records on all my frequent East Bay Climbs.  Today, I went all-out 
for a PR on the climb up Wildcat Canyon.  I felt very good about it, only 
to find I accidentally hit the "stop" button on Strava and failed to record 
any of my 35 mile jaunt.  We'll never know whether I did a PR or not.  Did 
it really happen?  Is Strava equivalent to Pictures?  

As it stands, I'm still at 6 bikes.  I should be able to finish up 200 
miles on both my Mountain bike as well as the step-thru this week.  That 
will leave my double-speed Gunnar and my Rosco Road bike as bike number 9 
and 10.  I'm about ready to concede that there is no way I'm getting 200 
miles in on my tandem.  There is just not enough willing stokerage going on 
in my immediate vicinity. I'm OK with that.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 


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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I was convinced that I was going to have the bike repainted. I decided to not 
do so. Mainly due to the fact that I have a Roadini coming next that I am 
definitely going to have repainted. Decided to not put the extra money into the 
mixte.  Not sure I really like the color but I will live with it at this point

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[masmojo]

Harsh directional light doesn't flatter that color much, bit in foggy 
conditions out in the wild it looks great.
I think this might be a concept/category that Rivendell could exploit with good 
success  in the near future! At least until it gets copied. This looks kinda 
like what I was hoping my Clementine would be.

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Joe Bernard]

Haibike makes hi-step and low-step versions of their ebikes, which correlate 
well to the H and L designations Riv uses for the Clem. This seems a much 
simpler descriptor than trying to explain when a step-through is not a mixte 
and vice-versa.

Btw, the BLUG announced that RBW would be closed for a bit for "the 
occultation". Nice work, Bill!

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Mark explained he was not referring to the name Medium Mountain Mixte that I 
used in the subject line of this thread, but was referring to Rivendell's 
referential use of the term Mixte when describing a non-Mixte design

I think I understand better now.  Thanks. Why would somebody who knows better 
deliberately use the wrong term to describe something?  Is it marketing?  Is it 
sloppiness?  Did they forget?  

If I had to guess I would say it was just convenient communication. Last month 
the path of the moon was just right that observers on earth could see it block 
out the sun. Almost everybody referred to that event as an eclipse, even though 
everyone who knows better knew full well that it was not an eclipse but an 
occultation. When you said "the eclipse" people knew what you were talking 
about, and little harm was done by using the incorrect term. 

These eclipse/occultation/Mixte minutiae are fresh in my mind because last 
month Grant used the term 'eclipse' in a post and I called him on it, just for 
fun. When I went to pick up my frame, Grant called me on using the name Medium 
Mountain Mixte, also just for fun. That's the irony, that we're speculating why 
Grant would use the wrong term when it was Grant correcting me for using the 
wrong term. 

Part of language is just trying to convey an idea efficiently. The speaker is 
guessing at what words to use to get the job done. I've used the term 
'step-through' for decades working at bike shops and usually when speaking and 
with the bike present I still use the term step-through along with a little 
pantomime motion towards the dropped top tube.  

If Rivendell sometimes used the term Mixte to describe a non Mixte design, I 
trust it was just to briefly point out that the thing had that step through 
feature.  A Facebook post, a BLUG post is an environment where writers might 
get a little loose with descriptive terms. When it comes to actual NAMING of 
objects, like frame decals or a product brochure I think it's right to expect 
more precision. 

Happy Labor Day 
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Joe Bernard]

Conversely, the Clem L has a more elegant, "dutch bike" look IMO. Which is a 
pleasant surprise for me: I've always liked Rivs and always liked step-through 
omafiets..I never thought I'd see the two converge. 

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Jeremy, that answers my question. I suspected it probably had a 
shorter tt since it was not designed specifically for the Bosco bar. I 
think the look of the Rosco M is a bit more rugged/masculine than the Clem 
L. 

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 10:40:08 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 6:15:20 AM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Which brings me to another question: What are the effective 
>> geometry/other design differences between the MMMs and the Clem Ls (other 
>> than the lift a tube, which the Clem L already naturally possesses)? 
>> Shorter virtual top tube, so that drops can be used?
>>
>
> I was interested in this frame, and spoke with Roman on the phone about it 
> briefly the other day. Versus my 52cm Clem (H, but I think the L has 
> similar or identical geometry), the R05C0 8U883 
> not-exactly-a-mixte-but-whatever has a slightly shorter top tube (59 vs 
> 61cm), somewhat shorter chainstays (don't remember the exact number), the 
> Appaloosa fork instead of the Clem fork (so, slightly narrower max tire 
> size), and no lugs except the fork crown. And, of course, it's  a 
> not-exactly-a-mixte-but-whatever like the Cheviot, and not a full 
> step-through like the Clem L. I wonder if the lifter tube adds enough 
> stiffness down by the bottom bracket.
>
> I found on my Clem H 52cm that I wasn't really comfortable with a dirt 
> drop stem and handlebar, but it was a fairly close thing. It's possible 
> that the R05C0 8U883 with dirt drop would work for me. But I'm pretty 
> long-torsoed. Your mileage may vary. In the end, I decided I'm content with 
> my Clem H for the purposes to which I put it, so I think I'm going to pass 
> on getting in on the next batch of these - not different enough, though 
> it's a very interesting frame and I look forward to seeing more of them 
> built up. 
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was not particularly trying to make a point, just making light 
conversation/speculation. Sorry that apparently did not come across. Yes, I 
too know what the Rosco project is about. And I'm not offended by the term 
mixte being used. That would be silly. Nor did I think or imply that you or 
the folks at Rivendell don't know what constitutes a mixte. That would be 
silly, too. Rivendell/Grant has certainly referred to the Roscos with the 
dropped top tube as mixtes a number of times. Here's one instance:

https://www.facebook.com/rivbike/photos/a.158025017587688.34098.153481058042084/1332249110165267/?type=3


On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 9:58:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I don't follow what point you are making. Rivendell hasn't adopted any 
> particular nomenclature besides two. Rosco Bubbe and R05C0 8U883. They know 
> what a Mixte is and know how bugged people get over the naming. 
>
> I refer to it as Medium Mountain Mixte just because of alliteration and to 
> tell my two Bubbes apart.  I know this is not a mixte and apologize to any 
> offended parties that I got loose with terms just to make an MMM. 
>
> As far as differences from the Clem L the biggest difference is the Clem L 
> is an actual Rivendell model.  This bike is not.  This was a tiny batch of 
> frames to fit leftover forks.  It was also an opportunity for Roman to get 
> his feet wet with frame design.  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Tony DeFilippo]

Bill that is a sweet build! Love all the touches and getting to see it in it's 
element.  Definitely a bike with attitude.

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Carla Waugh]

Congrats Bill on your new bike and many happy miles/trails!

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Paul asked for shots of my new bike out on the trails.  Friday and Saturday 
were record-breakingly hot in the Bay Area, and I had family stuff going 
on, so I treated myself to two (TWO!) consecutive days off the bike.  Today 
will be warm, but nothing like the last two days, so I got out at dawn for 
my standard short trail loop through Wildcat Canyon:  Here's a couple shots 
of what trail riding is like for me:





This is Quarry Trail in Tilden Park.  It's stuff that you can definitely do 
with no shocks and drop bars, but it's no joke either.  On the dirt road 
surrounding Little Farm in Tilden there was a massive downed eucalyptus 
blocking the road




I was able to hike a bike around it.  My ride report is: holy $#!+ this is 
a super 27.5" mountain bike.  Step-through?  More like STOMP-through.  I'm 
blown away at what a nice riding mountain machine this is.  I thought it 
was going to be good for me looking at the numbers and such, but I'm truly 
blown away.  I picture a young Jacquie Phelan or John Tomac, or some other 
full-rigid-drop-bar mountain bike wizard absolutely shredding it with this 
bike.  I've been riding my ~$3500 carbon Niner a lot this month, and on my 
very first ride, I did the steep and technical Meadows Canyon climb only 20 
seconds off my personal best, on a bike that it probably 8 pounds heavier.  
In deference to the term-monitors, I've made up a new name for it.  I'm 
calling it "Trusty M.U.S.T.y"  Trusty Musty is a Mountain Utility Step 
Through.  

Rivendell wouldn't do something I told them to do unless they already 
thought it was a good idea, but I think they'd be smart to figure out a way 
to offer step through mountain bikes like this one.  It's a hoot.  I'm 
already thinking about how easy it will be to get on the bike when I have 
it loaded with front and rear panniers.  Step right through and giggle 
away!  As a late-entry into my stable, I was wondering if this was going to 
be a fit or more of a lark, but I think Trusty Musty is going to 
"mooove...right in"

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:39:47 AM UTC-7, Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> That is a very cool bike, Bill. Very very cool.
> I'm having trouble not cussing about how cool it is.
>
> I can't wait to see photos of it out on the trails.
>
> Paul in ATL
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 6:15:20 AM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Which brings me to another question: What are the effective geometry/other 
> design differences between the MMMs and the Clem Ls (other than the lift a 
> tube, which the Clem L already naturally possesses)? Shorter virtual top 
> tube, so that drops can be used?
>

I was interested in this frame, and spoke with Roman on the phone about it 
briefly the other day. Versus my 52cm Clem (H, but I think the L has 
similar or identical geometry), the R05C0 8U883 
not-exactly-a-mixte-but-whatever has a slightly shorter top tube (59 vs 
61cm), somewhat shorter chainstays (don't remember the exact number), the 
Appaloosa fork instead of the Clem fork (so, slightly narrower max tire 
size), and no lugs except the fork crown. And, of course, it's  a 
not-exactly-a-mixte-but-whatever like the Cheviot, and not a full 
step-through like the Clem L. I wonder if the lifter tube adds enough 
stiffness down by the bottom bracket.

I found on my Clem H 52cm that I wasn't really comfortable with a dirt drop 
stem and handlebar, but it was a fairly close thing. It's possible that the 
R05C0 8U883 with dirt drop would work for me. But I'm pretty long-torsoed. 
Your mileage may vary. In the end, I decided I'm content with my Clem H for 
the purposes to which I put it, so I think I'm going to pass on getting in 
on the next batch of these - not different enough, though it's a very 
interesting frame and I look forward to seeing more of them built up. 

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't follow what point you are making. Rivendell hasn't adopted any 
particular nomenclature besides two. Rosco Bubbe and R05C0 8U883. They know 
what a Mixte is and know how bugged people get over the naming. 

I refer to it as Medium Mountain Mixte just because of alliteration and to tell 
my two Bubbes apart.  I know this is not a mixte and apologize to any offended 
parties that I got loose with terms just to make an MMM. 

As far as differences from the Clem L the biggest difference is the Clem L is 
an actual Rivendell model.  This bike is not.  This was a tiny batch of frames 
to fit leftover forks.  It was also an opportunity for Roman to get his feet 
wet with frame design.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This Rosco design is my favorite. But as you mention here, it is most 
definitely not a mixte. I suppose I am being picky, but curious as to why 
Rivendell chose this nomenclature for a bicycle design that does not have 
the extra set of seat stays, and is most definitely not a mixte frame. Why 
not call it the Mountain Roscolo, a la the Clem L and H designations? I 
know for pc reasons they couldn't choose, say Roscette, or Roscolina, since 
they received so much flak for Clementine. And the mixte designation makes 
it more appealing to the boys, who I suspect still shy away from the curved 
step-through design of the Clem Ls. Which brings me to another question: 
What are the effective geometry/other design differences between the MMMs 
and the Clem Ls (other than the lift a tube, which the Clem L already 
naturally possesses)? Shorter virtual top tube, so that drops can be used?

I once ran across a site that listed the (surprisingly numerous) various 
frame designs designated "ladies" over the years, with specific names for 
each of them. I think this Raleigh 3-speed style with the dropped top tube 
was called ladies sport or sport step over or something like that.

** I know that the popular translation of mixte is "unisex" in the bicycle 
application, but I don't see how this would be relevant back when the 
designation was originally made. I would go with the framebuilders of yore 
having meant mixte in the sense of "dual", as in two top tubes/seat stays. 
Of course, to fully complete the Riv logic, if you go with "mixte" as 
"unisex" and you use the Sheldon version of derailleur, you would call this 
a Mountain Unisex. But then you lose the alliteration, and unisex is not as 
sexy as mixte, despite [or because of] having sex in it already.

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 10:35:04 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Over the years, whenever I look at a step through of this kind I imagine 
> load wanting to fold the seat tube in half. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks all. 

This bike features the new Silver tapered seat tube.  It flares to 31.8mm about 
halfway down. Those of you who are assembling a build kit for your LBS to build 
might get caught off guard by that detail.  The CX70 front derailleur Is a 
31.8mm clamp with optional spacers so I was covered.  

Over the years, whenever I look at a step through of this kind I imagine load 
wanting to fold the seat tube in half. This bike has an oversized lower seat 
tube and the liftatube anchoring the seat tube to the downtube.  It puts me 
more at ease. I think it will be plenty stout for anything I might use it for.  

My weekends are completely packed with activities so I won't be able to take it 
on the trails for a couple days

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Nicely done as always Bill!

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Philip Kim]

awesome build!

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever 
> "final", of course, but here we are.  
>
>
>
> 
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>
> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  
>
> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>
> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  
>
> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Justin August]

These bikes are so awesome. That is perfect.

Arg! I want.

-J

On Sep 1, 2017, 10:00 AM -0700, Bill Lindsay , wrote:
> I have in reserve a sapphire blue Flite saddle from ~1997, and I thought 
> about running that to tie in with the Shopsack.  With a Flite saddle on it, I 
> imagine I could get an even higher PMAQ (Patrick Moore Approval Quotient).  
> If this Niner generic saddle isn't perfect, then I'll switch to the Flite or 
> a Black B-17 that is also on-hand.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:55:05 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > Thanks you. I could ride one of those!
> >
> > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is 
> > > > ever "final", of course, but here we are.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of 
> > > > seat lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
> > > >
> > > > Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
> > > > bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with 
> > > > HALO retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.
> > > >
> > > > Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 
> > > > chainrings.  Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 
> > > > 1071 chains (2).  Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp 
> > > > cassette.  SPD pedals
> > > >
> > > > Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
> > > > stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
> > > > hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.
> > > >
> > > > Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
> > > > King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + 
> > > > two coats of clear Bullseye shellac.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
> > > > block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Lindsay
> > > > El Cerrito, CA
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > > > > Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
> > > > >
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

I have in reserve a sapphire blue Flite saddle from ~1997, and I thought 
about running that to tie in with the Shopsack.  With a Flite saddle on it, 
I imagine I could get an even higher PMAQ (Patrick Moore Approval 
Quotient).  If this Niner generic saddle isn't perfect, then I'll switch to 
the Flite or a Black B-17 that is also on-hand.  

BL in EC  

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:55:05 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks you. I could ride one of those!
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is 
>> ever "final", of course, but here we are.  
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
>> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>>
>> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
>> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
>> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  
>>
>> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
>> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
>> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>>
>> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
>> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
>> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  
>>
>> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
>> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
>> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
>> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks you. I could ride one of those!

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

>
> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever
> "final", of course, but here we are.
>
>
>
> 
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat
> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>
> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to
> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO
> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.
>
> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.
> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).
> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>
> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged
> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear
> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.
>
> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two
> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two
> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the
> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Paul Clifton]

That is a very cool bike, Bill. Very very cool.
I'm having trouble not cussing about how cool it is.

I can't wait to see photos of it out on the trails.

Paul in ATL

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever 
> "final", of course, but here we are.  
>
>
>
> 
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>
> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  
>
> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>
> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  
>
> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever 
"final", of course, but here we are.  



Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.

Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  

Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals

Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  

Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  






When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Patrick Moore]

Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

>
>
> 
>
>
> I picked up my Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte frameset today and threw
> it right on the stand.
>
> 1.  grind off the lawyer lips
> 2.  wrap the lift-a-tube
> 3.  install the wheels, saddle and cockpit for an initial mock-up (photo
> above)
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> Then I hung the drivetrain on there.  It's going to be a 2x10 contemporary
> Shimano setup.  The super-weirdo thing I decided to do was BOLT ON wheels.
> I've been saying for a while that QR wheels are a historical accident and
> none of us really need them.  The reason we all run them is that's what
> everybody expects.  So I put my "money" where my "mouth" is.  More to
> come
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Justin, Oakland]

I feel like Thru axles are essentially frame integrated bolt ons. 

-J

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

I guess I really don't need it, but I find QRs to be convenient and a nice 
plus. What gives? Security concerns?

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill]

I'd try to find bar tape for the lift-a-tube to match the stem color. It's 
already looking like a fun machine, however I hope there's a front rack and 
basket in its future. In a word, APPROVE.

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Joe Bernard]

Well then. I never knew I needed a red lugged stem, but here we are!

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Irreguleur]

I fully agree with your QR stance. Awesome build-keep us updated!

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Jay Connolly]

I love it.

Jay

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[drew]

Red lugged(?) stem. What/how?

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[WETH]

Sweet!

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

I picked up my Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte frameset today and threw 
it right on the stand.  

1.  grind off the lawyer lips
2.  wrap the lift-a-tube
3.  install the wheels, saddle and cockpit for an initial mock-up (photo 
above)






Then I hung the drivetrain on there.  It's going to be a 2x10 contemporary 
Shimano setup.  The super-weirdo thing I decided to do was BOLT ON wheels.  
I've been saying for a while that QR wheels are a historical accident and 
none of us really need them.  The reason we all run them is that's what 
everybody expects.  So I put my "money" where my "mouth" is.  More to 
come

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



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