[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[David Strong]

i'm kicking myself for not getting in on the Clem presale before it closed. 
my fingers are crossed that someone decides they dont love their 52cm and 
sells it to me! haha. if youre reading this and want to let yours go, DM 
me! otherwise i hope the upcoming Appaloosa is rad

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:02:08 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> Hello Tim!  Welcome!  My Clem will also be my first Riv as well.  My PBH 
> is 84, and I'm getting a 52.
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-4, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> I too fretted over the 52 and 59. My PBH is 90 and saddle height 79. I 
>> went with the 59 and after seeing the most recent photos on the blug it 
>> somewhat reaffirmed my decision as I wouldn't have wanted a 52 with that 
>> much post and stem showing. 
>>
>> -first time post, first time riv owner, hello everyone! 
>>
>>
>> Tim Wood 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[iamkeith]

They only posted those pics., with bikes set up that way, to taunt me, 
personally:  "See - you really SHOULD have ordered the 52, and the 59 that 
you *did* order really IS going to be too big."

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 10:20:48 AM UTC-6, El Sapo wrote:
>
>
> Un-dorky. I imagine my Clem will look like this only better. Riv markets 
> their bikes so well, it shocked me that they would post up those particular 
> pictures with the bikes set up so unrealistically.  
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Wayne Naha]

I hope undorky.  Perhaps geeky?  I don't know, except that I'm about to pop 
from waiting!  As I've spent time looking at the various guises of the 
Clem/Clementine, the 'ugly bike' concept that was discussed at their 
introduction becomes more clear.  They're not ugly, of course, maybe 
'gangly' or 'awkward' or 'a frame only it's mother could love.'  I think 
our Clem's inner beauty shines forth brightly.  But to those who are not 
able to appreciate the massive functionality, versatility, and practicality 
built into this frame, the appearance of the bike will naturally act as a 
repellant, keeping away all who would argue the merits of a crabon fork. 
 It would seem that 'to know the Clem is to love the Clem,' but you are 
going to have to look beyond any lack of curb appeal.

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 12:20:48 PM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>
>
> Un-dorky. I imagine my Clem will look like this only better. Riv markets 
> their bikes so well, it shocked me that they would post up those particular 
> pictures with the bikes set up so unrealistically.  
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
>> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
>> and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
>> Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
>> must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
>> for late October!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

Hahahaha, Bike size is one of my biggest fears with Riv. I'm about the same 
size as Grant, so you'd think it wouldn't be an issue, but like you, I seem 
to fit 2 sizes on every bike they make. The Clem is an exception. I 
fit right in the middle of the 52 size range. I'd guess that 59 Clementine 
in the Blug is set up for someone over 6'-5"? 

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 9:39:57 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

> They only posted those pics., with bikes set up that way, to taunt me, 
> personally:  "See - you really SHOULD have ordered the 52, and the 59 that 
> you *did* order really IS going to be too big."
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 10:20:48 AM UTC-6, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>>
>> Un-dorky. I imagine my Clem will look like this only better. Riv markets 
>> their bikes so well, it shocked me that they would post up those particular 
>> pictures with the bikes set up so unrealistically.  
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Wayne Naha]

Hello Tim!  Welcome!  My Clem will also be my first Riv as well.  My PBH is 
84, and I'm getting a 52.

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-4, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> I too fretted over the 52 and 59. My PBH is 90 and saddle height 79. I 
> went with the 59 and after seeing the most recent photos on the blug it 
> somewhat reaffirmed my decision as I wouldn't have wanted a 52 with that 
> much post and stem showing. 
>
> -first time post, first time riv owner, hello everyone! 
>
>
> Tim Wood 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Tim Wood]

I too fretted over the 52 and 59. My PBH is 90 and saddle height 79. I went 
with the 59 and after seeing the most recent photos on the blug it somewhat 
reaffirmed my decision as I wouldn't have wanted a 52 with that much post and 
stem showing. 

-first time post, first time riv owner, hello everyone!


Tim Wood

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Cheviot also only comes in three sizes. I am getting a 52 Clem(entine). 
I don't think it's a matter of "making the 52 work," despite the fact that, 
at 5'10" and with a seat height around 74cm,  I normally ride 58-60cm 
frames (I do tend to set my upright townie rides 1-2cm lower, legs just 
seem to like it that way). Because the frame itself is already designed to 
get bars high, you are starting from a different base point. The design of 
the frame makes the bicycle work for a wider range of riders. Note also the 
generous overlaps between sizes. I could just as easily ride the 59, 
according to the Clem brochure. Arggh. Critical Decisions to Be Made. Life 
is full of them.

Perhaps somewhat ironically, with the 52cm, I will be showing more like 
what is these days considered the norm in seat post exposure, rather than 
the fistful/French fit on most of my bikes. Regarding the handlebars, I 
suppose the stem will be a bit more exposed, but, again, due to the design, 
not much more than on my regular bikes. As to what is dorky, these days 
when I see a non-lean, maybe a bit less than graceful rider in full pro kit 
pedaling $6000 dollars worth of skinny-ass bike down the road going nowhere 
and back, dorky is a handy adjective to have lying around. Sporting civvies 
astride my black Clem(entine), I will cut a proletarian, convivial figure 
as I go about my chores, pleasures, and visitations.

By way of intro, I am a long time iBob member, formerly of NYC, now 
residing in the Hudson Valley. For a little while in the early nineties I 
published a regional cycling publication. For a little while in the early 
aughts I published a cycling website. I ordered a 52cm black Clementine 
when a few became re-available. Many of my bicycles are festooned with 1-5 
items purchased from Rivendell (not including clothing worn while on a 
bike). I've never owned a Rivendell, though I came close once when I almost 
traded a plum-colored Japanese Bridgestone Atlantis for an orange Rambouillet. 
The P.C.J.B.A. eventually made its way to Walnut Creek, and into a Riv 
Reader from what I understand.

I am not a Riv fan boy, but I do confess to having one bicycle with just 
the tattered remains of handlebar tape, and I use a dab of regular soap on 
my pits in lieu of deodorant (thanks for the tip, GP!) I also believe long 
chainstays will be more useful during the zombie apocalypse than 7/4/7 top 
tubes. But best to have at least one or two of each meanwhile.

Although I have kind of fallen for my latest commuter build, a sky blue 
1979 Le Tour mixte, (Riv items; mirror, handlebars, tail light, two fish 
water bottle holder [on ocassion], back o' bike bags in gray) and I am 
generally not a new bicycle kind of guy, I am completely stoked to get my 
mitts on my Clementine.




 On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 10:13:13 AM UTC-4, sprocket67 wrote:It 
seems like with the limited frame sizes the handlebar rise has to be out of 
proportion to fit a rider that might normally need a larger frame. If you 
usually ride a 56 you'd have to make the 52 work. 

>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Anne Paulson]

Having a bike with a very low top tube, I can testify to one reason to
get the top tube right up there: frame bag space. I love my Surly
Krampus and appreciate the lower top tube, but still I envy the other
riders whose frame bags can hold more than a tube and some tools.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Wayne Naha  wrote:
> I like this line of thinking.  It does seem like like getting that top tube
> right up there is mostly for tradition.  My Clem is going to be a smaller
> than I would normally ride, so it looks like my seatpost and handlebars will
> be hiked up dork fashion.
>
> On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 7:07:14 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Conversely, this would put me on a 45cm with a low standover height. After
>> years of riding folders with the frame way down there, my creaky 53-year-old
>> body has completely lost the plot on towering toptubes. They're up there in
>> the way for no reason other than most nice bikes used to look that way. I'm
>> over it, and I think I would be very happy with a Clem.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Wayne Naha]

I like this line of thinking.  It does seem like like getting that top tube 
right up there is mostly for tradition.  My Clem is going to be a smaller 
than I would normally ride, so it looks like my seatpost and handlebars 
will be hiked up dork fashion.

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 7:07:14 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Conversely, this would put me on a 45cm with a low standover height. After 
> years of riding folders with the frame *way down there*, my creaky 
> 53-year-old body has completely lost the plot on towering toptubes. They're 
> up there in the way for no reason other than most nice bikes used to look 
> that way. I'm over it, and I think I would be very happy with a Clem. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Joe Bernard]

They're half-lugged, half welded, have bendy seatstays, and a 
cartoonish-looking rear derailer with Big Wheel pulleys. They're 
*intentionally* dorky!

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 9:45:11 PM UTC-7, El Sapo wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
>> and Clementines.  
>>
>
> Could they have made the bikes look any more dorky on the blog?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[sprocket67]

It seems like with the limited frame sizes the handlebar rise has to be out 
of proportion to fit a rider that might normally need a larger frame. If 
you usually ride a 56 you'd have to make the 52 work.

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 12:45:11 AM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
>> and Clementines.  
>>
>
> Could they have made the bikes look any more dorky on the blog?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Joe Bernard]

Conversely, this would put me on a 45cm with a low standover height. After 
years of riding folders with the frame *way down there*, my creaky 
53-year-old body has completely lost the plot on towering toptubes. They're 
up there in the way for no reason other than most nice bikes used to look 
that way. I'm over it, and I think I would be very happy with a Clem. 

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 7:13:13 AM UTC-7, sprocket67 wrote:
>
> It seems like with the limited frame sizes the handlebar rise has to be 
> out of proportion to fit a rider that might normally need a larger frame. 
> If you usually ride a 56 you'd have to make the 52 work.
>
> On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 12:45:11 AM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>>
>>> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run 
>>> Clems and Clementines.  
>>>
>>
>> Could they have made the bikes look any more dorky on the blog?
>>
>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Reid]

Obviously, as the pre-sales sold out weeks ago, "dorky" is the latest "in 
thing" on the cutting-edge fashion scene.

Reid

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[James Warren]

Who knows, because dorky has no clear definition. I think the bikes look 
awesome.


On Oct 1, 2015, at 5:59 PM, El Sapo wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems and 
> Clementines.  
> 
> Could they have made the bikes look any more dorky on the blog?
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
> and Clementines.  
>

Could they have made the bikes look any more dorky on the blog?

   

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, I can smell it in the air... it's nearly OCTOBER  And with that can 
we expect to hear (soon) that the Clems/intines are lining up for 
shipment???  


On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 5:40:19 AM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
> and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
> Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
> must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
> for late October!
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Wayne Naha]

Personally, I am going to live with this bike, and ride it a good while 
before contemplating any upgrades.  By that, I mean replacing replacing any 
of the original components with different items.  Because I do plan to 
accessorize right away with a Pletscher rear rack, fenders, water bottle 
cage, and a bell.  But as for replacing things existing on the bike, I'm 
gonna hold off on that until I get a good feel for what is already there. 
 For me, a lot of the decision a matter of expense.  Buying this bike did 
rather stretch the budget.  Also, I want to see how good a job the Riv 
folks did at spec'ing the bike out.  I'll bet it works out very well. 
 Though, having said that, I do have a lonely Brooks saddle kicking around 
that place that will be installed post haste. :)

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 9:04:04 PM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:

 I was surprised at how much I liked the Bosco bars. When given a choice, I 
 prefer Bullmoose bars, but the way the Bosco felt was really nice. I think 
 it's perfect on the Clem. I was expecting beach cruiser and instead got 
 a less upright, more natural posture. I'll probably upgrade the seat and 
 maybe the shifters. I'm thinking about putting the Bruce Gordon RnR gumwall 
 tires on it.


  Any suggestions for upgrades?





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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

 I was surprised at how much I liked the Bosco bars. When given a choice, I 
 prefer Bullmoose bars, but the way the Bosco felt was really nice. I think 
 it's perfect on the Clem. I was expecting beach cruiser and instead got 
 a less upright, more natural posture. I'll probably upgrade the seat and 
 maybe the shifters. I'm thinking about putting the Bruce Gordon RnR gumwall 
 tires on it.


 Any suggestions for upgrades?




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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Edwin W]

Like in construction, It is very rare for a new bike project to be completeted 
early!
It did happen when I was living in Berkeley around 2009, when a truck blew up 
and melted a section of the 580(?) coming off the bay bridge. They had a huge 
financial incentive for finishing early and a huge penalty for finishing late. 
It turns out money is a good motivator for a business, sometimes!

I'm not banking on anything before Thanksgiving. 

Keeping expectations low,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Surlyprof]

Depends on how you intend to ride.  I found the Sam and Clem to be pretty 
different bikes (both fantastic).  I love my Sam more than any bike I've 
ever owned and can ride it as a road/club ride bike or a trail bike (with a 
wheelset swap).  I could see setting up a Clem as a really fun trail bike, 
commuter, rambler, errand and town bike but I couldn't see joining a club 
ride on it.  That didn't seem like what Clem wanted to do when I tried it 
out.  If I could have two Riv's I'd have a Rodeo for roads and either a 
Hunq or Clem for trails and town.  But, since I can only swing one, the Sam 
has been a very, very happy medium.

John

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 7:58:05 AM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:

 congrats to the buyers.  I just couldn't pull the trigger but have a 
 feeling I may regret it.  Holding out for a Sam 

 On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!



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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Wayne Naha]

I hope they deliver the bikes well before Thanksgiving!  It will be hard 
enough waiting until Halloween.

On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 7:37:41 AM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:

 Like in construction, It is very rare for a new bike project to be 
 completeted early! 
 It did happen when I was living in Berkeley around 2009, when a truck blew 
 up and melted a section of the 580(?) coming off the bay bridge. They had a 
 huge financial incentive for finishing early and a huge penalty for 
 finishing late. It turns out money is a good motivator for a business, 
 sometimes! 

 I'm not banking on anything before Thanksgiving. 

 Keeping expectations low, 

 Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

Will they actually take until late October or can we hope for an earlier 
date? Anyone have experience with Riv timelines?

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!


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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

Glad to see they sold out. Went into the store to check out a Clementine 
for my wife, we road them around, she was sold and insisted that I get 
a Clem for myself. 


On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!


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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Bill Lindsay]

That is exceedingly good, since their biggest problem as a business is 
cashflow.  Their Taiwan suppliers want their money up front.  Now that 
shipment 1 of the Clems is pre-sold, Riv should have the money on hand to 
pay the supplier the moment the shipment is ready.  That's great for them.  

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!


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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Daniel D.]

congrats to the buyers.  I just couldn't pull the trigger but have a 
feeling I may regret it.  Holding out for a Sam 

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!


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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Really good to hear!  I was a bit worried because it seemed like they were 
(and still are) taking a big gamble with the whole Clem/Chev/Appa push in 
place of their regular framesets and in-house builds.   I'm glad it's 
working out for them and I can't wait to see people's Clems.  I still wish 
they would go back to selling framesets.  



On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 4:40:19 AM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[James Warren]

Your plan is a good one!


On Aug 6, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Daniel D. wrote:

 congrats to the buyers.  I just couldn't pull the trigger but have a feeling 
 I may regret it.  Holding out for a Sam 
 
 On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems and 
 Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!
 
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