[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Gotcha, Max. I know others like the L model Clem a lot for the obvious 
clearance while maintaining the rest of the geo.  Adam and other 59 L owners  
may have some advice WRT the Clem L vs what we know about the Gus. 

Good luck!  Nice ‘problem’ to have :-)

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Max S]

Thanks for sharing your experience, Tom. Methinks that the 52 is a bit on the 
small side for me, but the 59 is just as much in the tall side for intended 
use. Will wait to see the sizing on the upcoming MTB to run the fatter tires. 

- Max “sitting on my hands” in A2

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Max, regarding stand-over -- with the 2.35 G-Ones -- me parts ever so 
slightly rest on the top tube.  Another reason that, for me, though the 59 
is def the right size (backed up by the geo chart 
 given my 90.5 PBH), it's not a 
mountain bike for where do single track.  I'd want a frame with another 
couple of inches clearance but still maintains the other dimensions.

Tom

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:09:42 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> Max,
> I never considered a 52, actually.  I have about 5" of seat post showing 
> (from seat tube exit to bottom of saddle leather) on my 59, and I'm not 
> nearly to the point of being uncomfortable as far as reach goes, even with 
> the Bullmoose.  With a Bosco, which comes back about a mile further, I'd 
> almost be reclining, which I personally don't like for any type of riding.
>
> My previous Clem 59 H had a Jones loop bar, which was also nice.  On that 
> bike I did some single track and -- though I felt the Clem's length, 
> weight, and rigidity compared to an aluminum hardtail  -- neither the 
> reach, nor the stack, were problems.  IOW, I would not size down to a 52 if 
> I decided I was going to make the Clem my mountain bike for single track 
> ... it'd feel too small.
>
> Hope that helps, 
> Tom
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-4, Max S wrote:
>>
>> So, with the understanding that this is a very personal choice, what do 
>> the *between-frame-sizes* people choose with the Clem? TC, it seems like 
>> you could have gone with the 52 cm Clem – do you ride trails on yours?.. Do 
>> you find the standover to be sufficient? 
>>
>> - Max "52 vs. 59" in A2 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Max,
I never considered a 52, actually.  I have about 5" of seat post showing 
(from seat tube exit to bottom of saddle leather) on my 59, and I'm not 
nearly to the point of being uncomfortable as far as reach goes, even with 
the Bullmoose.  With a Bosco, which comes back about a mile further, I'd 
almost be reclining, which I personally don't like for any type of riding.

My previous Clem 59 H had a Jones loop bar, which was also nice.  On that 
bike I did some single track and -- though I felt the Clem's length, 
weight, and rigidity compared to an aluminum hardtail  -- neither the 
reach, nor the stack, were problems.  IOW, I would not size down to a 52 if 
I decided I was going to make the Clem my mountain bike for single track 
... it'd feel too small.

Hope that helps, 
Tom



On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-4, Max S wrote:
>
> So, with the understanding that this is a very personal choice, what do 
> the *between-frame-sizes* people choose with the Clem? TC, it seems like 
> you could have gone with the 52 cm Clem – do you ride trails on yours?.. Do 
> you find the standover to be sufficient? 
>
> - Max "52 vs. 59" in A2 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Jim Bronson]

I had to move my bikes around to take out the trash the other night.  My
Clem stands apart in that regard, it's the only one that has a kickstand.
So I can just put it on a blank patch of concrete in my garage and then it
supports itself.  A useful feature.

-Jim

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Stein  wrote:

> I *need* a cargo bike for the kids, but I *want* an Clem. This thread
> isn't helping. Technically I don't need anything, we all have feet and live
> w/in walking distance of most places we really need to go. But that doesn't
> solve this n+1 problem. I can still access my bikes without moving around
> some bikes to get to other bikes. Big problems.
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:26 PM tc  wrote:
>
>> Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out
>> there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to
>> shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.
>>
>> I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out
>> as a beautiful fall.
>>
>> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Max S]

So, with the understanding that this is a very personal choice, what do the 
*between-frame-sizes* people choose with the Clem? TC, it seems like you 
could have gone with the 52 cm Clem – do you ride trails on yours?.. Do you 
find the standover to be sufficient? 

- Max "52 vs. 59" in A2 


On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:14:56 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> People, if you don't have a Clem, go get one.   I'll even make it easy for 
> you:
>
> *Complete builds:*
> Clem H 
> 
>  (and 
> mustard's are on sale for less, here 
> 
> )
> Clem L 
> 
>
> *Frames:*
> Clem H 
> 
> Clem L 
> 
>
> The Clem is such a phenomenally fun knock-around bike. If you're thinking 
> of the H style, then hurry...per Grant's Oct 2nd BLAGH (pay attention to 
> his last sentence, emphasis mine):
>
> "CLEMS..well, the current batch of H-style (with a top tube) may be the 
> last of these. We sell about 50-50 H’s and L’s. They’re only $1650 because 
> they come assembled to us, but cash flow won’t allow that anymore—or 
> greatly reduced, anyway—so they’ll likely get up to about $1,800 next. 
> Plus, it turns out they cost us $100 more than we thought. It’s not a 
> tariff thing, it’s an import duty thing. There was a change in the rate 
> that may have come when we changed importer, but in any case they say we’re 
> paying the right amount.
> *Although the plan is for no more CLEM H anythings, I can see us getting 
> some 52’s again in a few years. I can’t see any more 59s or 65s. *"
>
> When I read that, the seed was planted (nice, it worked, Grant!).  The 
> twitch got worse the more I thought of it.  NO MORE CLEM H's.  Sheesh.  
> That would be a-shame.  I know loads of you love the L, but that H speaks 
> to me.  I had a Grilver 59 H a while back and sold it because I was trying 
> to make it into something that, for me, it would never be -- something to 
> zoom around really rooty/rocky single track.  I loved how it felt on 
> pavement though; it had that special something that people can't seem to 
> put their finger on.
>
> Anyway, I pulled the trigger again, this time on a dark green 59 H.  Man, 
> I l-o-v-e that green.  The Grilver is very nice, too, but I kinda missed 
> the green of my former SimpleOne, and so decided to change it up.  This 
> particular Clem green has a touch more cream and/or yellow, though, and it 
> really pops in the sunlight.
>
> It's a stock complete build, except for these mod's:
>
>- Bullmoose bar instead of Bosco
>- Brooks Plump Leather grips (honey)
>- Brooks B17 Imperial (honey)
>- G-One Speeds
>- Shimano Saint platform pedals
>- Mark's rack
>- VO Retro Cage, no tab
>- Road Morph pump, seat tube mount
>- Acorn roll bag
>
> [image: Clem_Neuse_3_28Oct2018.jpg]
>
>
> Yes, it's pretty heavy.  But really, the crazy thing about this bike is 
> that it doesn't *feel *heavy when you get on it and "Just Ride".  Once 
> you're up to speed, which is really no effort at all, it really wants to 
> keep going.  It will coast forever.  Yep, I imagine that the G-One's have 
> something to do with it, but still, it feels surprisingly faster than you'd 
> think after lifting it off a bike rack.
>
> You sit *in* this bike, not *on* it.  It is the most stable bike I've 
> ridden.  My Atlantis is close, but gosh -- with the wheelbase of this thing 
> -- it's like it has a gyroscope spinning away inside the HT.
>
> I must say the Bullmoose bar is one bada$$ lookin' bar.  First one I've 
> had, and I love it on this bike.  For those who've always wondered how far 
> the bar ends come back on the Bullmoose, well, they come back about a 3/16" 
> behind the stem bolt.  They tilt ever so slightly up on the grip end, but 
> that angle seems to work for the HT angle of the Clem.  It's also 
> comfortable to put your hands on the fwd portion of the bar and let your 
> thumbs rest just in front of, and inside, of where the Y joins the bar.  
> This provides a more athletic position.  On some uncrowded straight-aways 
> today I hunkered down just to see what ol' Clem would do, and -- with 
> gyroscopic, rock-steady speed -- I was flyin down the path in no time, 
> grinning ear to ear.
>
> The Brooks Plump Leather grips are superbly comfortable. Larger in 
> diameter than most grips, they provide a larger platform to rest your 
> hands, with no digging in.  And, with the slightly rough exposed leather 
> ring edges (to which I applied some proofide), you really get a good hold.  
> They're lock-on's, too.  I had to apply the slightest bit of wd40 to the 
> bar to 

[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Julian Westerhout]

Tom, 

The tires are Soma Supple Vitesse EX 700 x 42, the fenders are Velo Orange 
700c Fluted Fenders 63mm with a Riv mudflap up front.

The front rack is a Nitto R-14 with tombstone. Handlebars are Chocomoose. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 9:35:05 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Julian, could you share which tires and fenders you're using, and the 
> sizes?  I don't think I've seen a Clem so dressed up ... it cleans up 
> nicely...must be the rare "Esquire" package :)
>
> Tom
>
> On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 12:30:21 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout 
> wrote:
>>
>> Tom, 
>>
>> You're right, the Clem is a great bike. I ride my 65 cm H  to work, 
>> around town, and on errands...
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Julian, could you share which tires and fenders you're using, and the 
sizes?  I don't think I've seen a Clem so dressed up ... it cleans up 
nicely...must be the rare "Esquire" package :)

Tom

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 12:30:21 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:
>
> Tom, 
>
> You're right, the Clem is a great bike. I ride my 65 cm H  to work, around 
> town, and on errands...
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Hmm, so, what's holding you back?  It's just money, right?!  I know, I 
know.  Seriously, if you don't want/need the complete, and it's a matter of 
getting the frame and some good used components, list what you'd need here 
and I'll bet you'd have it in no time.  I know I have some stuff to offer, 
and there are plenty here who've sold far more components than I've ever 
owned who'd jump at the chance to help out and clean off their shelves!

Tom

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:32:18 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> I *need* a cargo bike for the kids, but I *want* an Clem. This thread 
> isn't helping. Technically I don't need anything, we all have feet and live 
> w/in walking distance of most places we really need to go. But that doesn't 
> solve this n+1 problem. I can still access my bikes without moving around 
> some bikes to get to other bikes. Big problems.
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:26 PM tc > wrote:
>
>> Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out 
>> there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to 
>> shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.
>>
>> I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out 
>> as a beautiful fall.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[David Stein]

I *need* a cargo bike for the kids, but I *want* an Clem. This thread isn't
helping. Technically I don't need anything, we all have feet and live w/in
walking distance of most places we really need to go. But that doesn't
solve this n+1 problem. I can still access my bikes without moving around
some bikes to get to other bikes. Big problems.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:26 PM tc  wrote:

> Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out
> there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to
> shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.
>
> I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out
> as a beautiful fall.
>
> Tom
>
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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out 
there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to 
shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.

I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out 
as a beautiful fall.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Hey Rick, thanks.  My saddle height is 79.5cm.  My PBH is 90.5, and I'm 6' 
- 1/2" tall.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 2:08:46 PM UTC-4, RickH wrote:
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> Hi, Tom:  What is your saddle height in the pics of your spectacular Clem? 
>
> Thanks, 
> Rick Hill

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

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Hi, Tom:  What is your saddle height in the pics of your spectacular Clem?

Thanks, 
Rick Hill

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

For those curious about tire width and clearance on the Clem 59, I can 
provide this based on mine:

Tires & rims:
- Schwalbe G-One Speed, 29 x 2.35 TL Easy Snakeskin
- Alexrims DM24 (comes stock on the complete Clem); 24mm inner, 32mm outer 
- When inflated to 40lb, which is a bit much (so conservative), with tubes, 
tire measures 2.31" wide

Clearances:
Inside fork leg to tire:  5mm
Bottom of fork crown to tire:  12mm

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Jamo.]

Says it would fit 2.2" tires max, so that's a maybe.  Thanks for the 
reflection.

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Collin A]

Jamo,

I've taken my 52 H on a handful of off-road weekend tours with about 35 lbs of 
camping gear, food, water, etc. It's handled the loads fine and I can only tell 
it's fully loaded up once I start climbing. The long wheelbase seems to help 
with stability when pedaling out of the saddle too, and room for the 2.3 
schwalbe g-ones provide exceolent comfort for long and rough days in the saddle 
(not sure if those can squeeze into the Atlantis or not).

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Kainalu V.]

I ride my 65 Clem with a 50 pounder regularly, and I try keep the weight low in 
the front for stability, or sometimes I'll bungee stuff behind the kid (when 
I'm using my kid seat for my younger son). His brother, the 50 pounder sits on 
a foam pad and holds my belt (mostly on technical singletrack (on which the 
Clem excels!*))
-Kai
BKNY 

*ripping singletrack is 99% attitudinal, but seriously, no, no trail riding 
with a bouncing sack of boy out back, Irish strap them first 

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Jamo.]

I've been hell-bend on the Atlantis because of it's touring ability.  How 
does the Clem H compare to it?  I know it has a longer wheel base and is 
cheaper.  How does it handle fully loaded up?

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

@dstein, thanks.  I would call Riv with your child seat question -- but 
given Grant says the frame passes the EN mountain bike standard, I'd be 
really surprised if it couldn't handle 33lbs easily in back without 
flinching.  Plus, like you say, once you don't have a child seat 
requirement, you have a lighter-weight more versatile bike to re-imagine 
into what you need it to be, compared to a cargo bike.

"As a trail bike, commuter, shopper, all-around ruffabout bike, it’s as 
pure and perfect as you’ll find anywhere. I/Grant think of it as a mountain 
bike–and the frame does pass the mountain bike EN test, the toughest in the 
world, so it’s not going to break on you."

The Workcycles Fr8 is one cool bike -- have you seen those?  I used to want 
one, but man if you don't really NEED to haul a lot, you're paying the 
price in weight for sure, so not so versatile.  You could take your kids 
AND the neighbor's too!

Tom

On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 12:00:23 AM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> Nice writeup. There's been a lot of clem love latey and it's pushing me 
> ever so closer. Anyone have experience riding a Clem with a rear child seat 
> (up to 45 lbs child in it) and a front rack w/ bag? I'm on the fence about 
> a cargo bike and a clem. I know the cargo bike can handle the load better, 
> but I like the idea of a Clem as a long term bike (beyond when i'll ever 
> need to tow kids). The 45lb child is mostly on her own bike anyway, the 
> 29lb kid is on a front yepp seat but will be graduating to a rear seat at 
> 33 lbs until he can ride his own bike. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Dstein, I can’t speak for smaller sized Clems and/or those with ball and socket 
seat cluster... but one thing I could confirm about my 65cm Clem H is that I 
could not use s Thule Ride Along rear (this is the one that does not mount to a 
rack or anything and is instead suspended from its own steel rod base that 
attaches at the seattube.). The issue was interference at the upper seatstays 
with the supports that pass from the seattube mounted base.  My Clem’s 
seatstays are just too wide for it to fit around them.  This may now only be an 
issue with the largest sizes still using the original seatlug but can’t be 
certain.  I’m sure other rear seats would be fine and handling with any rear 
load has been trouble free.

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Vincent Tamer]

Clem is a great bike and currently my only one. From commuting to camping 
this bike does it all. Here is a pic in it's current iteration. I might go 
back to the basket when it gets cold and I need more layers in the days.


https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0OGWZuqDGlRvYK

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:14:56 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> People, if you don't have a Clem, go get one.   I'll even make it easy for 
> you:
>
> *Complete builds:*
> Clem H 
> 
>  (and 
> mustard's are on sale for less, here 
> 
> )
> Clem L 
> 
>
> *Frames:*
> Clem H 
> 
> Clem L 
> 
>
> The Clem is such a phenomenally fun knock-around bike. If you're thinking 
> of the H style, then hurry...per Grant's Oct 2nd BLAGH (pay attention to 
> his last sentence, emphasis mine):
>
> "CLEMS..well, the current batch of H-style (with a top tube) may be the 
> last of these. We sell about 50-50 H’s and L’s. They’re only $1650 because 
> they come assembled to us, but cash flow won’t allow that anymore—or 
> greatly reduced, anyway—so they’ll likely get up to about $1,800 next. 
> Plus, it turns out they cost us $100 more than we thought. It’s not a 
> tariff thing, it’s an import duty thing. There was a change in the rate 
> that may have come when we changed importer, but in any case they say we’re 
> paying the right amount.
> *Although the plan is for no more CLEM H anythings, I can see us getting 
> some 52’s again in a few years. I can’t see any more 59s or 65s. *"
>
> When I read that, the seed was planted (nice, it worked, Grant!).  The 
> twitch got worse the more I thought of it.  NO MORE CLEM H's.  Sheesh.  
> That would be a-shame.  I know loads of you love the L, but that H speaks 
> to me.  I had a Grilver 59 H a while back and sold it because I was trying 
> to make it into something that, for me, it would never be -- something to 
> zoom around really rooty/rocky single track.  I loved how it felt on 
> pavement though; it had that special something that people can't seem to 
> put their finger on.
>
> Anyway, I pulled the trigger again, this time on a dark green 59 H.  Man, 
> I l-o-v-e that green.  The Grilver is very nice, too, but I kinda missed 
> the green of my former SimpleOne, and so decided to change it up.  This 
> particular Clem green has a touch more cream and/or yellow, though, and it 
> really pops in the sunlight.
>
> It's a stock complete build, except for these mod's:
>
>- Bullmoose bar instead of Bosco
>- Brooks Plump Leather grips (honey)
>- Brooks B17 Imperial (honey)
>- G-One Speeds
>- Shimano Saint platform pedals
>- Mark's rack
>- VO Retro Cage, no tab
>- Road Morph pump, seat tube mount
>- Acorn roll bag
>
> [image: Clem_Neuse_3_28Oct2018.jpg]
>
>
> Yes, it's pretty heavy.  But really, the crazy thing about this bike is 
> that it doesn't *feel *heavy when you get on it and "Just Ride".  Once 
> you're up to speed, which is really no effort at all, it really wants to 
> keep going.  It will coast forever.  Yep, I imagine that the G-One's have 
> something to do with it, but still, it feels surprisingly faster than you'd 
> think after lifting it off a bike rack.
>
> You sit *in* this bike, not *on* it.  It is the most stable bike I've 
> ridden.  My Atlantis is close, but gosh -- with the wheelbase of this thing 
> -- it's like it has a gyroscope spinning away inside the HT.
>
> I must say the Bullmoose bar is one bada$$ lookin' bar.  First one I've 
> had, and I love it on this bike.  For those who've always wondered how far 
> the bar ends come back on the Bullmoose, well, they come back about a 3/16" 
> behind the stem bolt.  They tilt ever so slightly up on the grip end, but 
> that angle seems to work for the HT angle of the Clem.  It's also 
> comfortable to put your hands on the fwd portion of the bar and let your 
> thumbs rest just in front of, and inside, of where the Y joins the bar.  
> This provides a more athletic position.  On some uncrowded straight-aways 
> today I hunkered down just to see what ol' Clem would do, and -- with 
> gyroscopic, rock-steady speed -- I was flyin down the path in no time, 
> grinning ear to ear.
>
> The Brooks Plump Leather grips are superbly comfortable. Larger in 
> diameter than most grips, they provide a larger platform to rest your 
> hands, with no digging in.  And, with the slightly rough exposed leather 
> ring edges (to which I applied some proofide), you really get a good hold.  
> They're lock-on's, too.  I had to apply the slightest bit of wd40 to the 
> bar to get them to 

[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[dstein]

Nice writeup. There's been a lot of clem love latey and it's pushing me 
ever so closer. Anyone have experience riding a Clem with a rear child seat 
(up to 45 lbs child in it) and a front rack w/ bag? I'm on the fence about 
a cargo bike and a clem. I know the cargo bike can handle the load better, 
but I like the idea of a Clem as a long term bike (beyond when i'll ever 
need to tow kids). The 45lb child is mostly on her own bike anyway, the 
29lb kid is on a front yepp seat but will be graduating to a rear seat at 
33 lbs until he can ride his own bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Thanks all.  It's great to see your pic's, and also some love for the Clem 
H for a change :)

Lum, you asked about my Clem's hill performance.  Hmm, it's fine up the 
hills I went on; never gave it a second thought ... but we're not talking 
hundreds of feet, either.

I guess it depends on the hill length, right?  I mean, one could argue that 
the Clem is heavier and thus could build more momentum going into a hill 
than, say, my obviously lighter Roadini.  But at some point, depending on 
the length of the uphill, that momentum advantage will go to zero and then 
you're fighting gravity harder with a heavier bike.  No surprise there, 
right?

If I was going on a 'training' ride (I hasten to even use that word) with a 
bunch of hills, and trying to maintain the 15mph avg I shoot for when I'm 
on my Roadini or my old Sam, I'd not take my Clem.  Why would I, unless I 
was trying to prove that I could, but that sounds kinda silly.  Heck maybe 
I'll do it one day if I'm really bored.  Until then, I have the luxury of 
picking a given bike for a given ride.

There are plenty of days when I like to just knock around, sometimes 
slowly, sometimes quickly.  Sometimes I'm riding with my wife and we like 
to talk while riding.  Do I worry about hills and speed on those days?  
Nope.

Do I want a bike that feels heavy and is 'slow'?  Nope.

Do I like to ride a different bike just to ride a different bike 
occasionally?  You bet.

You should get a Clem H and give that Rodeo a rest every now and then :)

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hey Tom,

 

I totally agree with your thoughts on the Clem! Mine's going in the 
opposite direction from you, though: I'm in the middle of swapping out 
parts on my grilver 52 Clem H to convert it from a knock-around / utility 
bike into something that will also be more suited to rougher terrain (but 
apparently not overly rooty/rocky trails!). But that's OK -- it just shows 
how versatile this machine is, and it would be a real shame if it was to be 
dropped from the lineup, so get one while you can!


Here's a pic of mine from last month:

*https://www.instagram.com/p/BnzxWkGBoqR/?taken-by=reehren* 


 

Bob E

Cranford, NJ

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