[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Entirely too late to make any real difference, but a couple ideas I had while reading this thread. First, a cam shape would help with lever throw issues. (Even though it would complicate the design/engineering exponentially & probably make it not cost effective) Second, maybe a segmented lever

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Well the folks at RBW are known to always go the extra mile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Hey, my kvetching about cable pull on Silver Shifters resulted in a BLUG hack! How cool is that? On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 12:50:28 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > The BLUG today documents a method to get slightly > more cable pull out of a Silver shifter. > > BL > -- You

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Rivendell Shark bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

The BLUG today documents a method to get slightly more cable pull out of a Silver shifter. BL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I'd love to see a geometry of the smaller sizes On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:32:00 PM UTC-6, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > Note to non-deacon Patrick about the singlespeeder: > Name: Frank Jones Sr. > Not for: 26-inch wheels! ha. > Upslope: 3-deg > New lug seat tube super boss > Custom

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I'm impatiently waiting for the Frank Jones. If one of the smaller sizes fits me, I'm buying. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Returning to the subject: One of the best fitting bikes I owned was a 1958 Herse with a 56 or 56 1/2 cm tt and a 60 cm st, that measurement being c-c. And long ago, 1989 or 1990, I got measured at REI for a bike by one of their pros (pro fitter, pro rider -- he was on their racing team) and he

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Tall, lugged, roadish frame with the filleted and curved bubbe tube? Consider me diverted... I’ll admit I was even more excited thinking for a moment that this could be a one off/small batch tall mans Senor Frank Jones but the down tube cable stops said otherwise. You still have my

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Classy fillets. Biggish road frame means not being huge? 1 size fits all kinda large folks? A 68 roadini would fly off the shelves! -Kai BK NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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I suspect no one has said anything because there wasn’t a spy photo on the BLUG to create the typical buzz here at the cyber-water cooler -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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Not only did I not say anything, but I was at Riv today and forgot to look for it. Dangit! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

No, it's a prototype, something we'll be trying out and maybe do to a biggish roadish frame next year. I'm surprised nobody's said anything. It's fne, though! On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Ray Varella wrote: > No one has mentioned the diversion attachment, > Grant, is

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

No one has mentioned the diversion attachment, Grant, is that the illegitimate love child of a truss frame and double top tube frame? Now the PETA folks will be after us to spay and neuter our bikes, the shelters are full. Ray Vallejo CA -- You received this message because you are

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Fat tires, fat bikes, I bring you...fat brakes! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

No, I meant 610mm. World records. On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Peter Adler wrote: > 610mm = 61cm = 24" and change. You mean 61mm, yes? > > Peter Adler > who bought a set of those @100mm cruiser Tektro DP sidepulls at a > warehouse sale a few years back, decided that

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

610mm = 61cm = 24" and change. You mean 61mm, yes? Peter Adler who bought a set of those @100mm cruiser Tektro DP sidepulls at a warehouse sale a few years back, decided that the mechanical advantage made them unusable for stopping bikes, and cannibalized the nutted bolts to convert the

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Mixte fixie. If I do anything, I probably will get someone to respace the 2003 Curt bike to 120-125 mm OL to accommodate that AM hub; the hub is spaced at 114, but the axle is long enough to take 5 mm of spacers on each end; though will have to adjust shifting adjustment accordingly. We'll see.

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Ooh, a singlespeed (the other SS) mixte. My mixte (Cheviot) is going to be a Will-style 2-speed, so of course non-deacon Patrick is going to one up me with a fixie. Balderdash! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Note to non-deacon Patrick: Your size is a mixte! On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > *That's *what I had in mind. Thanks. > > Non-diaconal-Patrick, who damn' well won't buy a 59, in ABQ, NM. > > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Grant Petersen

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

*That's *what I had in mind. Thanks. Non-diaconal-Patrick, who damn' well won't buy a 59, in ABQ, NM. On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Grant Petersen wrote: > Note to non-deacon Patrick about the singlespeeder: > Name: Frank Jones Sr. > Not for: 26-inch wheels! ha. >

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Yeah, the levers with the ratchets inside. Did I get the name wrong? –Eric N > On Dec 6, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Adam Kilgas wrote: > > From the drawing, the Frank Jones SR reminds me of a single-speed Sam > Hillborne with a 28.6 downtube... In fact, isn't that the

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

>From the drawing, the Frank Jones SR reminds me of a single-speed Sam >Hillborne with a 28.6 downtube... In fact, isn't that the same top tube as on >a Sam? ...I like it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

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Eric: Suntour Microshift? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Campagnolo did something similar with the first version of their indexed shifting. It was a disaster. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to stock all of those small parts—hard enough to get shops to sell friction levers! Another idea—also probably not viable—would be for Grant/Someone to buy up all

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

One last remark on this: Proof of this: Milton Friedman is taken seriously. *"There is one and only one social responsibility of business – to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

There are many wonderful things about this forum. I've met some fascinating characters & learned all kinds of stuff I would never encounter elsewhere. Just today, I learned about barrel diameters of shifters, for instance. I really enjoy the occasional posts from Grant about Rivendell. He

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

"...where they provide value ..." Yes, but: What these terms and others of the ilk mean in the context of the resumes I write is: make everything as cheap as possible in order to give the C-levels bigger bonuses; and I'm serious. Big companies make things in order to get money, not to make a good

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

You mean like the original Sun Tour Thumbshifters have a larger diameter internal ratchet mechanism ? On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 3:07:01 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote: > > the* groove diameter a little larger*! > > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 12:51:01 PM UTC-5, Grant @

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:07 PM, LBleriot wrote: > ... then takes some of the profit and "improves" the beautiful Silver > shifters by making the groove diameter a little larger! > I wonder if this would work if, instead of having a one piece handle and cylinder/groove, the

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I like all those things like "resource optimization" and "cost efficiencies" where they provide value to actual human beings, but I still ride Rivendells because the experience behind the handlebars is a sublime one. I've had go-fast bikes but I keep coming back to my Rivendells because they are

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

As a devout sub-10 speed DT friction shifter retro grouch, I hope Rivendell sells a ton of these thumb shifters and prospers, then takes some of the profit and "improves" the beautiful Silver shifters by making the groove diameter a little larger! Now, I gotta go and buy up all the existing

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I returned to biking as a young adult and could not understand why I didn't like it as much. I had a "high-end" road bike and the kit (lycra with pads in all the right places). I dreaded the long rides but was happy I made it when it was over. Then I read "Just Ride" by Grant and the light came

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

... Patrick Moore, who belatedly realized that "SS" means "Silver Shifter" and not "Single Speed". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Grant said: "The SS project started out a dumb lark in the early 2000s, >

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Grant said: "The SS project started out a dumb lark in the early 2000s, and has been tremendously successful. Not financially, but from the point of view that lots of riders have been given the chance to learn friction shifting, and if no SILVER, no chance. That's not important in the big picture,

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Sentence 3 should be "..we CAN'T afford to do everything." On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 9:37:12 AM UTC-8, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > All is well here with the SS2 thing. We're not oblivious to double-digit > speed cassettes and the 1xwhatevers, and aren't even dismissive of them. We >

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

All is well here with the SS2 thing. We're not oblivious to double-digit speed cassettes and the 1xwhatevers, and aren't even dismissive of them. We can afford to address everything and we can't afford to do most of what we do that makes us good or special. Nothing we do makes sense

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I'm sorry, Jim. I know the Riv folks personally and have a reasonable idea of how precarious business is in today's 'Amazon economy', so I tend to take this type of thing personally. I'll try harder. Joe Bernard Novato CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

As a tenet of this group, we've always allowed members to express opinions. If someone genuinely dislikes all the RBW designs, this probably isn't the group for them, of course. But not everyone has to think everything is awesome. Nothing anyone makes is going to work for everyone, and if

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

That's the point Joe, none of us are choir boys, none of us are mister nice. Yet we are, the Earth never stops rotating and the Sun ever rises, this Group rolls on despite it ☺ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I've had the old Suntour Power Ratchet thumbies and they're fabulous. I think they would be great as inside-the-bar shifters like Riv specs on Clems. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Bear in mind these are prototypes only, probably to check all the fiddly details before going into production. I would expect the finish to be up to the usual Rivendell standards & present well on a nice bike. As to the aesthetic, well, if you liked the originals (which I do), these will look

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Marc said: "the shape of the prototype is more suitable to bar end and thumby duties, and could look a little awkward and stubby and maybe slightly distracting on a down tube" I agree that based just on aesthetics, they'd be weird on the downtube. I'm going to pre-emptively DISAPPROVE of

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[image: image] While it's kinda cool to have shifters that can function in several different positions on the bike, there will inevitably be compromises. With that ergonomic curve, I would tend to agree that the shape of the prototype is more suitable to bar end and thumby duties, and could

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

It's a project - as I have already stated - that has had a long gestation period, some of it painful for the person behind it. I happen to think this is neither the time nor place to declare it YUCK. If you want to suggest improvements to the design, I presume "I wish the barrel were bigger"

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the shifter today? Relax man. It’s a little piece of metal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

So you want a Silver shifter that you like the looks of to have a bigger barrel like the Dia-Compe you don't like the looks of, which had nothing to do with the new shifter which is "yuck." No, I don't get it. Buy a shifter you like instead of trashing one that isn't even in final form yet.

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I didn't stifle your opinion, I objected to it. It's stupid. Have a nice day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

In order to shift my chain to the largest cog of a 10 Speed cassette using a Silver shifter, I need to move the lever almost parallel to the down tube. Enlarging the barrel, like the VO version of the DiaCompe shifter, requires less travel of the lever. I happen to like the look of the Silver

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I thought this was a forum where we are free to express and share our opinions of Riv products in a respectful and open manner. Is there some rule that I haven’t read requiring only positive reviews? I buy Riv products that I like; quite a lot of them actually. I don’t buy their products

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

On 12/04/2017 08:58 PM, John Hawrylak wrote: Is there an issue with the current Silver Shifters with cable pull??  I really don't know, but would appreciate an education.  I read the rBW description of currnet shifters and see only an issue with cog/derailleur movement There is for

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Silvers work fine with 9-speed, and 10 would be the same throw. They're probably not great for 11, but I doubt there's any perceptible market for a friction 11-speed shifter. This criticism about barrel size doesn't make a lick of sense to me. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Is there an issue with the current Silver Shifters with cable pull?? I really don't know, but would appreciate an education. I read the rBW description of currnet shifters and see only an issue with cog/derailleur movement John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

If someone wants to express their dislike or critique of a product I think we should welcome it. Is this a discussion or cheerleading? I think if everyone can be polite and respectful then their should be enough room here for everyone’s opionions. I'm AM going with "two sides to a story" and

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I bet it will work really well, because Silvers do and Riv cares, duh... Plus, prototypes are prototypes. Design is iterative. I might be talking out of my ass here, but I was also kinda thinking the look of these shifters—besides taking a note from the old Suntours—could be part of an

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

But I'm not willing to play Mr. High Road. This thread is about the fabulous news that the new shifter project is back on - its earlier demise seemed quite depressing for Grant, a person I know and like - and I don't see the point in chiming in about how "yucky" it is. So no, I'm not going with

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

It's just levers pulling cable. We all need to keep a bit of perspective. dougP On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:47:20 PM UTC-8, Garth wrote: > > Sheesh, we're all big boys and girls here, so someone expresses a "yucky" > view of the shifters that are not even in production and no spec known,

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Sheesh, we're all big boys and girls here, so someone expresses a "yucky" view of the shifters that are not even in production and no spec known, it's just an initial honest opinion, and you know what they say about opinions ... we all got one. So what ! Hey, we all have our own ideas

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

If you need more cable pull it has already been innovated: https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters/products/dia-compe-ene-11s-dt-shifters I figure that a bigger barrel will just make the shifter even more sensitive to small movement, though. I've had good luck with Silver V1s and Simplex

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I think the point Joe is making is that many of us have been watching this project with interest and maybe some anticipation. Some of us are fond of Rivendell Bicycle Works and would like to see them succeed. When news comes out that a previously shelved project is rising from the dead,

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

'cause then I'd be posting to another Google group, right? On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 3:41:39 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Why not buy a different shifter you don't think is yucky? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Why not buy a different shifter you don't think is yucky? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

IME these work well with up to 10speed in the cable pull department, but I haven't tried 11sp. I've used them with multiple bikes, derailers, and cassettes/chains including 8, 9, and 10s, and combinations that don't technically match, like a 9s rear derailer with 10s cassette or vice versa.

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I said it before and I'll say it again. As DT shifters, these look as bad as the old Silver shifters used as thumbies. Yuck. Why not do something innovative and make the barrel on the right shifter larger to pull more cable/shift more than 8 speeds easily? On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at