Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Jay Connolly]

Mike, I'm on my 4th set of bars. First was the albatross, then a mustache, then 
a VO Rando bar, and now a Jones Loop H bar. I liked them all, but I think I'll 
stick with the Jones, which is wider, has as many positions as a drop bar, and 
sweeps  back at 45°. Limited stem choice with a Jones, but I found an 80mm x 
31.8 that I like.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Congrats Michael and great write up here and in your blog.  I can sense the 
enthusiasm and it makes me happy for you!  Keep us posted as you get used to 
the JA and get some commuting miles in.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Carla Waugh]

Congrat!! Many happy miles!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I saw your comment on your Youtube video, so here's my 830.  









On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Chris:
>
> Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
> Appaloosa are very similar.
>
> My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference 
> is fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The 
> Appaloosa's slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket 
> drop (78mm on Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way 
> lighter than the Trek. 
>
> The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
> stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels 
> good, but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and 
> it looks cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 
>
> I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set 
> of bars and still tinkering. 
>
> M
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the information!  

Would you mind posting a pic of your Appaloosa with the bullmoose bar, if 
you get a chance?  I bought my 830 as a frameset so it doesn't have it's 
original bar and Riv's version wouldn't give me enough rise.  The Bullmoose 
would be my first choice for the Appaloosa.   


 

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Chris:
>
> Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
> Appaloosa are very similar.
>
> My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference 
> is fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The 
> Appaloosa's slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket 
> drop (78mm on Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way 
> lighter than the Trek. 
>
> The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
> stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels 
> good, but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and 
> it looks cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 
>
> I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set 
> of bars and still tinkering. 
>
> M
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Michael Morrissey]

Chris:

Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
Appaloosa are very similar.

My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference is 
fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The Appaloosa's 
slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket drop (78mm on 
Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way lighter than the 
Trek. 

The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels good, 
but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and it looks 
cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 

I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set of 
bars and still tinkering. 

M

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Carla Waugh]

Congrats on your new Riv!!  I know you will love it! Many happy miles!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Jay Connolly]

Looks great. Regarding your comment about the bike being nimble: I keep 
tinkering with my Joe and now have a Jones Loop 710 bar on it. After riding it 
for a couple of months with a drop bar, the upright bar is a revelation. I 
ordered the bike with an Albatross bar, but was too accustomed to drop bars to 
warm to it. Now I think I understand that this bike was designed for an upright 
bar. The handling is noticeably better upright, at all speeds. 

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Between the 54 Hunqapillar and the 55 Appaloosa, which ride did you like 
better?  I have a 22" 1984 Trek 830 like yours and I'm debating between 
these two Rivs for a future purchase.  I expected the Appaloosa to be more 
like the 830 but you reference the Hunqapillar being more similar. 



On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:04:27 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Hey! Thanks for reading it!
>
> The Appaloosa and the Clem were pretty similar, but there were two big 
> differences: the handlebars and the sizing.  
>
> The Appaloosa comes in more sizes.  The Clem is basically the first 
> Rivendell to be built to a price point.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I 
> think they said they wanted to stop recommending people buy Surlys if they 
> wanted a cheaper bike than a Rivendell.  They succeeded by doing this 
> incredibly scrappy move: manufacturing only three sizes.  I'm 6 feet tall 
> with a PBH of 86cm (if I remember correctly) and I felt like the Appaloosa 
> fit me better.  The 59 Clem was wayyy t big, and I liked the 52 Clem, 
> but it had 650B wheels and I sort of had my mind set on 700 x 2.0 tires for 
> my bike.
>
> My first impression of the Bosco bars on the Clem was that they were too 
> much of a beach cruiser bar.  I commute year round in NYC in heavy traffic, 
> so beach cruiser isn't exactly ideal for me.  I liked the Choco-moose ones 
> because they had the classic "sit up and beg" position, but also the reach 
> forward was like riding the tops of drop bars.  I suppose you can lean 
> forward and grab the middles of the Bosco bars, but again this was just a 
> brief ride.  I actually still want to try the Bosco bars on my vintage 
> mountain bike and see how they would change that bike.  
>
> Also, I bought the Appaloosa because they were sold out of Clems and I got 
> excited and really wanted a bike!  If they had a Clem in the 55cm size, I 
> would have bought that.
>
> I test rode the Cheviot primarily to try the Albatross bars.  The Cheviot 
> has centerpulls, and I knew I wanted fatter tires, so I think that's a big 
> difference between bikes.  I didn't want a step-through bike.  The Cheviot 
> had the best paint though - the swampy green looks AMAZING in person.  It 
> is so much nicer in person than in photos.  The Cheviot doesn't have the 
> long chainstays like the Clem and Appaloosa.  The Cheviot was nice, but it 
> felt like a normal bike; whereas the Appaloosa is definitely funky, is 
> definitely something different, and has a very unusual alchemy of 
> measurements that combines to a really special bike.
>
> m
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Michael -- thanks for this writeup. I was particularly struck by this:
>>
>> * I rode around their parking lot, doing laps around their building. I 
>> really liked the bike. It felt nimble, like my LeMond cyclocross bike, but 
>> more stable. I expected to dislike the handlebars, but in a snap judgment 
>> decided I liked them.*
>>
>> All the positive reviews about the Appaloosa are making my defenses start 
>> to crumble. I would very much like to try one out. I am more skeptical of 
>> sweep back bars, but those too get much praise.
>>
>> Question: can you elaborate about the difference in handling and feel 
>> between the Appaloosa and the Clem and the Chevs? I realize that this is 
>> first impressions, but those sometimes reveal real qualities.
>>
>> (Aside: I wonder, if I went all weight weenie, if I could get an 
>> Appaloosa down to UCI minimum ...)
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Michael Morrissey > > wrote:
>>
>>> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>>>
>>> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>>>
>>> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut 
>>> Creek!
>>>
>>> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>>>
>>> - michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:


 


 
 I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  
 The main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's 
 so 
 stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
 from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
 LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
 to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
 to have one!

 Parts list:
 Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
 Sugino x White Industries cranks
 VP Vice 

Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Michael Morrissey]

Hey! Thanks for reading it!

The Appaloosa and the Clem were pretty similar, but there were two big 
differences: the handlebars and the sizing.  

The Appaloosa comes in more sizes.  The Clem is basically the first 
Rivendell to be built to a price point.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I 
think they said they wanted to stop recommending people buy Surlys if they 
wanted a cheaper bike than a Rivendell.  They succeeded by doing this 
incredibly scrappy move: manufacturing only three sizes.  I'm 6 feet tall 
with a PBH of 86cm (if I remember correctly) and I felt like the Appaloosa 
fit me better.  The 59 Clem was wayyy t big, and I liked the 52 Clem, 
but it had 650B wheels and I sort of had my mind set on 700 x 2.0 tires for 
my bike.

My first impression of the Bosco bars on the Clem was that they were too 
much of a beach cruiser bar.  I commute year round in NYC in heavy traffic, 
so beach cruiser isn't exactly ideal for me.  I liked the Choco-moose ones 
because they had the classic "sit up and beg" position, but also the reach 
forward was like riding the tops of drop bars.  I suppose you can lean 
forward and grab the middles of the Bosco bars, but again this was just a 
brief ride.  I actually still want to try the Bosco bars on my vintage 
mountain bike and see how they would change that bike.  

Also, I bought the Appaloosa because they were sold out of Clems and I got 
excited and really wanted a bike!  If they had a Clem in the 55cm size, I 
would have bought that.

I test rode the Cheviot primarily to try the Albatross bars.  The Cheviot 
has centerpulls, and I knew I wanted fatter tires, so I think that's a big 
difference between bikes.  I didn't want a step-through bike.  The Cheviot 
had the best paint though - the swampy green looks AMAZING in person.  It 
is so much nicer in person than in photos.  The Cheviot doesn't have the 
long chainstays like the Clem and Appaloosa.  The Cheviot was nice, but it 
felt like a normal bike; whereas the Appaloosa is definitely funky, is 
definitely something different, and has a very unusual alchemy of 
measurements that combines to a really special bike.

m






On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Michael -- thanks for this writeup. I was particularly struck by this:
>
> * I rode around their parking lot, doing laps around their building. I 
> really liked the bike. It felt nimble, like my LeMond cyclocross bike, but 
> more stable. I expected to dislike the handlebars, but in a snap judgment 
> decided I liked them.*
>
> All the positive reviews about the Appaloosa are making my defenses start 
> to crumble. I would very much like to try one out. I am more skeptical of 
> sweep back bars, but those too get much praise.
>
> Question: can you elaborate about the difference in handling and feel 
> between the Appaloosa and the Clem and the Chevs? I realize that this is 
> first impressions, but those sometimes reveal real qualities.
>
> (Aside: I wonder, if I went all weight weenie, if I could get an Appaloosa 
> down to UCI minimum ...)
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Michael Morrissey  > wrote:
>
>> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>>
>> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>>
>> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut Creek!
>>
>> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>>
>> - michael
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  
>>> The main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so 
>>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
>>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
>>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
>>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
>>> to have one!
>>>
>>> Parts list:
>>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>>> VP Vice pedals
>>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>>
>>> m
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Ryan Fleming]

The JAs sound like fabulous bikes, but why am I not surprised by this? 
Sound like superb touring bikes

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:25:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Michael -- thanks for this writeup. I was particularly struck by this:
>
> * I rode around their parking lot, doing laps around their building. I 
> really liked the bike. It felt nimble, like my LeMond cyclocross bike, but 
> more stable. I expected to dislike the handlebars, but in a snap judgment 
> decided I liked them.*
>
> All the positive reviews about the Appaloosa are making my defenses start 
> to crumble. I would very much like to try one out. I am more skeptical of 
> sweep back bars, but those too get much praise.
>
> Question: can you elaborate about the difference in handling and feel 
> between the Appaloosa and the Clem and the Chevs? I realize that this is 
> first impressions, but those sometimes reveal real qualities.
>
> (Aside: I wonder, if I went all weight weenie, if I could get an Appaloosa 
> down to UCI minimum ...)
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Michael Morrissey  > wrote:
>
>> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>>
>> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>>
>> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut Creek!
>>
>> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>>
>> - michael
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  
>>> The main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so 
>>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
>>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
>>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
>>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
>>> to have one!
>>>
>>> Parts list:
>>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>>> VP Vice pedals
>>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>>
>>> m
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Patrick Moore]

Michael -- thanks for this writeup. I was particularly struck by this:

* I rode around their parking lot, doing laps around their building. I
really liked the bike. It felt nimble, like my LeMond cyclocross bike, but
more stable. I expected to dislike the handlebars, but in a snap judgment
decided I liked them.*

All the positive reviews about the Appaloosa are making my defenses start
to crumble. I would very much like to try one out. I am more skeptical of
sweep back bars, but those too get much praise.

Question: can you elaborate about the difference in handling and feel
between the Appaloosa and the Clem and the Chevs? I realize that this is
first impressions, but those sometimes reveal real qualities.

(Aside: I wonder, if I went all weight weenie, if I could get an Appaloosa
down to UCI minimum ...)

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>
> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>
> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut Creek!
>
> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>
> - michael
>
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The
>> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so
>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some
>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the
>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going
>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled
>> to have one!
>>
>> Parts list:
>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>> VP Vice pedals
>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>
>> m
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks for the write up.  That was interesting.

Tim

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>
> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>
> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut Creek!
>
> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>
> - michael
>
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The
>> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so
>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some
>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the
>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going
>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled
>> to have one!
>>
>> Parts list:
>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>> VP Vice pedals
>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>
>> m
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[René Sterental]

Congrats!!!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Congratulations on getting the bike together.  Look forward to many happy
> years with your Rivendell.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 1:37:04 PM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The
>> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so
>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some
>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the
>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going
>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled
>> to have one!
>>
>> Parts list:
>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>> VP Vice pedals
>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>
>> m
>>
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