Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
I like it! A number of us have converted them to 650B it seems. Makes for a great riding bike. Sent from my iPad On Apr 26, 2015, at 10:17 PM, carnerda...@bellsouth.net carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote: picture as requested: https://www.flickr.com/photos/carner/17283504245/in/photostream/lightbox/ On Sunday, Octobe r 26, 2014 at 8:02:28 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote: The FedEx driver delivered my new-to-me Rivendell Road frame and fork on Saturday. There is nothing quite like the anticipation of a new bike. I had wanted something a bit different from my Atlantis and Surly LHT and decided this was it. This will be my winter project, and I hope to have it on the road come spring. Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853/ So I have a question for the collective wisdom of this group. I have read Cyclofiend's page on the Rivendell Road Standard. How do I tell whether mine is a Road, Road Standard, or some other custom? I am at least the third owner. If I understand Waterford serial numbers, mine the 42nd frame made in July of 1996 (G96042). It doesn't matter to my riding enjoyment what model it is, but I am curious and take pride, like all of you, in my Rivendells. So, how to learn more about the frame? Also, does anyone have photos of their Rivendell Road (Standard) bike to share? Looking for ideas and inspiration. Thanks, Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7sbVVyTdDxU/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
Very nice bike, but surely you are joking with that stem? It looks as if you are far above the minimum insert line. If you are serious, and it works, then Kudos and enjoy it! Patrick il faut de tout pour faire un monde! Moore, who just turned a brief PO run into a very nice 20 mile rt on his '03 Curt in breezy, springtime ABQ, NM. On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: While the winter project stretched a bit into spring, the Riv Road 650b conversion and new build is finally, almost complete. Pictures here: https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853 Component specs: Tektro R559 brakes TRP brake levers Kmc chain Altus rear derailleur 11-32 shimano cassette Shimano CSX-70 front derailleur Shimano 8sp shift levers Bb-un55 107mm Crankset sugino wide low double Nitto noodle 46cm Nitto Technomic 280mm with 70mm reach Wheelset: 650B, 130mm rear, 100mm front, polished Placenti PL 23 double walled rims, 36 DT-12.0 OSL SS silver eyeleted spokes, silver Shimano FH-2200 silver hubs Pananracer col de la vie 650b tires VO grand cru seat post Brooks b17 saddle blue Sks fenders Bar wrap Cinelli cork-blue A big thank you to Tom Allingham on a great transaction that brought me the saddle, bars and pedals. I also owe gratitude to Tony for the loan of the tires. Tony I think I am going to try the Hutchinson tires at Compass (http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_hutch_650_32.html), so hopefully I will return the panaracers in June. The bike rides and handles so nicely. It has become the bike I want to ride before others, when I am not commuting. Thanks to all who shared photos and information earlier in this thread (last year). I would not have undertaken this if not for the wealth of information so freely shared here. Many thanks, Erl On Sunday, October 26, 2014 at 9:02:28 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote: The FedEx driver delivered my new-to-me Rivendell Road frame and fork on Saturday. There is nothing quite like the anticipation of a new bike. I had wanted something a bit different from my Atlantis and Surly LHT and decided this was it. This will be my winter project, and I hope to have it on the road come spring. Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853/ So I have a question for the collective wisdom of this group. I have read Cyclofiend's page on the Rivendell Road Standard. How do I tell whether mine is a Road, Road Standard, or some other custom? I am at least the third owner. If I understand Waterford serial numbers, mine the 42nd frame made in July of 1996 (G96042). It doesn't matter to my riding enjoyment what model it is, but I am curious and take pride, like all of you, in my Rivendells. So, how to learn more about the frame? Also, does anyone have photos of their Rivendell Road (Standard) bike to share? Looking for ideas and inspiration. Thanks, Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
Tim What color red is your bike? Looks perfect for the next repainted I need to get started on. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
Bruce- I'm not sure exactly what color it is. It's in between garnet metallic and intense red on Waterford's current color swatch http://waterfordbikes.com/w/ordering/finish/stock-waterford-colors/. It has a light metallic sparkle in it, but it's lighter than their current garnet. I met a gentleman on a recent 22 series Waterford in garnet (and a lovely Berthoud handlebar bag) on TOMRV, and we compared colors--his is about 2 shades darker. And the dropouts are Campy 1010 horizontals. Makes for tricky wheel removal with fenders, but a spring thing helps. Tim On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Fullylugged bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote: Tim What color red is your bike? Looks perfect for the next repainted I need to get started on. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
Tim, Thanks for the great idea of converting to 650. I had pondered it, but I had figured the bb would be too low. Glad to know it works, and I think I will go with 650 wheels as well. A few questions if you don't mind: Do you use a 170 crank length? Which brakes do you use with the 650 wheelset? Do the 650 x 38b max out clearance under fenders? Your bike is beautiful! Thanks again, Erl On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:48:59 PM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote: I love that colorway; some of the loveliest Rivs have a dark head tube. My Road Standard is a '97 Waterford build, and the lugs look identical to yours. Mine has the exact same clearances: 700 x 28c with about 1 mm to spare under the brake bridge. I converted my Road Standard to 650 x 38b and am much happier with the ride and handling on GB Lierres. I have to be careful about the resultant extra-low BB, but the bike feels more Rivish to me on the wider tires. But then I'm 220#, so I appreciate bigger tires on just about any bike. :) ATMO, the Road Standard 753 tubeset feels pretty stiff for a skinny tire bike. Like a stout enough to tour on (which I do), but it can't fit a 700c touring tire. I prefer a more compliant frame if I'm limited to high pressure tires. The GB Cerf is a great tire for a skinny-only bike; I use them on my gofast (Italian steel Giordana). The Giordana frame is pretty flexy; its tubing is some French heat-treated Excelle NiChrom in a crazy-thin profile. Under my bulk, that flex gives it a great ride. It planes on skinny tires, where the Riv gets closest to that feel with the added plush of the Lierres. That said, the Riv frame will still be strong long after I've broken that Giordana frame, probably. The first generation Road Standard and All-Rounder have those gorgeous Nervex-like lugs, and are probably the least-expensive frames you'll find with Rivendell on the down tube. You made a great find on a beautiful bike! On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: That sounds cool Erl! Funny to think of a Riv with clearances that small, as the narrow tires go in sure those GB tires are excellent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
Seems very similar to my custom, probably of the same era. I don't know, because I got mine used. I had short reach brakes and infnitesimal clearance with 700x30 Grand Bois Cypres. I'm now running 650Bx38 also with R559 brakes and cream Longboards and it works out well enough on clearance. Also changed from 180 to 170 cranks and the clearance is acceptable although I have had a couple of light pedal strikes if I'm not careful about it. Plus I found the 170s are much easier on my knees even though I felt more efficient on the 180s. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:59 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, Thanks for the great idea of converting to 650. I had pondered it, but I had figured the bb would be too low. Glad to know it works, and I think I will go with 650 wheels as well. A few questions if you don't mind: Do you use a 170 crank length? Which brakes do you use with the 650 wheelset? Do the 650 x 38b max out clearance under fenders? Your bike is beautiful! Thanks again, Erl On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:48:59 PM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote: I love that colorway; some of the loveliest Rivs have a dark head tube. My Road Standard is a '97 Waterford build, and the lugs look identical to yours. Mine has the exact same clearances: 700 x 28c with about 1 mm to spare under the brake bridge. I converted my Road Standard to 650 x 38b and am much happier with the ride and handling on GB Lierres. I have to be careful about the resultant extra-low BB, but the bike feels more Rivish to me on the wider tires. But then I'm 220#, so I appreciate bigger tires on just about any bike. :) ATMO, the Road Standard 753 tubeset feels pretty stiff for a skinny tire bike. Like a stout enough to tour on (which I do), but it can't fit a 700c touring tire. I prefer a more compliant frame if I'm limited to high pressure tires. The GB Cerf is a great tire for a skinny-only bike; I use them on my gofast (Italian steel Giordana). The Giordana frame is pretty flexy; its tubing is some French heat-treated Excelle NiChrom in a crazy-thin profile. Under my bulk, that flex gives it a great ride. It planes on skinny tires, where the Riv gets closest to that feel with the added plush of the Lierres. That said, the Riv frame will still be strong long after I've broken that Giordana frame, probably. The first generation Road Standard and All-Rounder have those gorgeous Nervex-like lugs, and are probably the least-expensive frames you'll find with Rivendell on the down tube. You made a great find on a beautiful bike! On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds cool Erl! Funny to think of a Riv with clearances that small, as the narrow tires go in sure those GB tires are excellent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
Erl- I used Tektro R559 brakes, but recently received a set of Paul Racers in a trade and now use them. They're both good brakes. The Pauls feel stronger; maybe they're less flexy. My Riv had a 170 Campy Racing Triple crank, and that's what I still use. I tried and liked a 170 Stronglight 105, which was gorgeous but really tricky to shift well. The Stronglight only worked with friction and a vintage double derailleur; any triple I tried had a sculpted outer cage that would hit the very low-Q crank. I switched to Ergo shifters, so I put the Campy triple back on and got it some new rings. 650 x 38 b is the max you can fit between the forks and chainstays, horizontally. It has decent fender room above the 38 tire. SKS P45's mount easily, and fit well with pretty good clearance. I picked up a stick and it folded up my rear P45, so now I'm running the Velo Orange hammered 650 x 45 mm fenders. They are harder to mount and don't have as much clearance, but they sure are purty. If you get the SKS fenders, put a safety release clip on the back too! I'm installing PDW FMF safety tabs on my VO fenders this weekend for the safety release. However, the BB gets real low after conversion. The switch from 622 x 28 to 584 x 38 results in another 9 mm of frame drop. That's why the wise elves in Walnut Creek don't recommend the Road Standard as a good candidate for 650b conversion. But, as some of us have demonstrated, it works fine but you must be careful not to pedal when leaned over. I've done singletrack on my 650b Road, but on a trail with very few log-overs or other straddle obstacles. If you already are building it up 700c, then I'd recommend trying the Cerfs. They ride really great for such a skinny tire. Then keep an eye out for some used 650b wheels and R559 brakes on the list. Without fenders, one could change between 650b and 700c with a wheel and brake caliper swap (assuming compatible gearing on both wheels). Brake cable quick releases would make it a quick process. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:01 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce, Thanks for the help identifying the frame. On your road, what brakes are you using and what tire 650b tire size do you like? Thanks again, Erl On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:54:15 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: Erl With a 96 production date, yours is a road standard. About this time,iirc, they were switching to Italian dropouts. Technociclo or something like that. My road is running 650b and feels great. A rider from out of town came in on Sunday to test ride my road and my Saluki for comparison. The verdict is that both were nice, but the road has a livelier feel and is more desirable. Enjoy the build process and then enjoy the ride! Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
Tim and Jim, Thank you both for that great information on brakes, tires, fenders and wheels! That is exactly the feedback I was hoping for. I haven't started buying parts or building it up; it is a blank canvas at this point. Do either of you have a photo of your bike from the side showing how the 650b wheels look on the bike? Time for me to do a bit more reading on 650b wheelsets and tires. Thanks again, Erl On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:41:03 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote: Erl- I used Tektro R559 brakes, but recently received a set of Paul Racers in a trade and now use them. They're both good brakes. The Pauls feel stronger; maybe they're less flexy. My Riv had a 170 Campy Racing Triple crank, and that's what I still use. I tried and liked a 170 Stronglight 105, which was gorgeous but really tricky to shift well. The Stronglight only worked with friction and a vintage double derailleur; any triple I tried had a sculpted outer cage that would hit the very low-Q crank. I switched to Ergo shifters, so I put the Campy triple back on and got it some new rings. 650 x 38 b is the max you can fit between the forks and chainstays, horizontally. It has decent fender room above the 38 tire. SKS P45's mount easily, and fit well with pretty good clearance. I picked up a stick and it folded up my rear P45, so now I'm running the Velo Orange hammered 650 x 45 mm fenders. They are harder to mount and don't have as much clearance, but they sure are purty. If you get the SKS fenders, put a safety release clip on the back too! I'm installing PDW FMF safety tabs on my VO fenders this weekend for the safety release. However, the BB gets real low after conversion. The switch from 622 x 28 to 584 x 38 results in another 9 mm of frame drop. That's why the wise elves in Walnut Creek don't recommend the Road Standard as a good candidate for 650b conversion. But, as some of us have demonstrated, it works fine but you must be careful not to pedal when leaned over. I've done singletrack on my 650b Road, but on a trail with very few log-overs or other straddle obstacles. If you already are building it up 700c, then I'd recommend trying the Cerfs. They ride really great for such a skinny tire. Then keep an eye out for some used 650b wheels and R559 brakes on the list. Without fenders, one could change between 650b and 700c with a wheel and brake caliper swap (assuming compatible gearing on both wheels). Brake cable quick releases would make it a quick process. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:01 AM, WETH erlho...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Bruce, Thanks for the help identifying the frame. On your road, what brakes are you using and what tire 650b tire size do you like? Thanks again, Erl On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:54:15 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: Erl With a 96 production date, yours is a road standard. About this time,iirc, they were switching to Italian dropouts. Technociclo or something like that. My road is running 650b and feels great. A rider from out of town came in on Sunday to test ride my road and my Saluki for comparison. The verdict is that both were nice, but the road has a livelier feel and is more desirable. Enjoy the build process and then enjoy the ride! Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)
That sounds cool Erl! Funny to think of a Riv with clearances that small, as the narrow tires go in sure those GB tires are excellent. Not as classic an accessory but have you thought of the retro shift/gevenalle/ird shifters on aero levers? That's a mod I'm thinking about for the upcoming Bombadil... :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
