Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Jay
I didn’t say it did. 3 options. The OEM are selling a product that isnt code complaint, doubtful. Or it is included in the UL listing or there isn’t a UL standard for this to test to. I don’t have time but a call to the companies that list this feature would clear it up. Jay Peltz power.

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Jeff Clearwater
Sol Ark told me they would provide a letter to any utility or jurisdiction if that would help alleviate there sell back fears. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2021, at 5:51 AM, Jay wrote: > >  > A number of companies have this feature which is under their UL listing. > SE > SolArk > To

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I think this highlights my point. Zero export is not "really" zero export in this case and the use of a third-party energy meter to provide net consumption data would surely not qualify the inverter as a listed device for this purpose. While I'm sure most utilities will accept an inverter designed

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Does UL1741 cover zero sell? I wasn't aware of that. I thought it just covered anti-islanding. If zero sell is covered, I don't see why a utility would not accept that. On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:51 AM Jay wrote: > A number of companies have this feature which is under their UL listing. > SE >

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Corey Shalanski
Hello Greg, As Will mentioned, this mode of operation is doable with SolarEdge, but it will require some additional hardware—specifically, you will need an energy meter as well as CTs for each power phase. Here is some documentation to get you started: - Export Limitation brochure

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Oh, for certain. Enphase has specific grid profiles (software) to accommodate utilities with zero export rules. It's my understanding that this is widely accepted. Other manufacturers support zero export, too. Even battery manufacturers are in on this, like Tesla Powerwalls can have zero export

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Jay
A number of companies have this feature which is under their UL listing. SE SolArk To name 2. Are you saying that the UL listing isn’t enough and that it needs 3rd party testing. If so what organization/testing would that be? Jay Peltz power > On Mar 31, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Jason Szumlanski

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread frenergy
On the other hand, utilities /have/ accepted inverters to shut-off power production into the grid if the grid fails via, I assume, software and/or electro-mechanical means. Bill Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin, Owner 4291 Nelson St. Taylorsville, CA 95983 530.284.7849 CA Lic 874049

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I wonder how quick these software based approaches are to respond to loads that drop off and momentary selling that may occur before production is curtailed. I think what Greg may be asking is whether there is a failsafe method to prevent backfeed. Without a battery, I'm not sure how that would be

Re: [RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-31 Thread Will White
Many inverters have the option to zero-sell (no export to the grid) but you need an additional CT on the main service conductors so the inverter can monitor the loads and ramp down production if it starts to get close to producing more than the loads require. I'd suggest getting into the manuals

[RE-wrenches] how to prevent selling to grid with grid tie inverter

2021-03-30 Thread greg egan
Wrenches, I've got a small system using SolarEdge inverter (4 kW) that is supposed to go in to a small town that does not allow selling power to the grid.  That may change but that is how it stands now.  The customer wants to use the power that is generated but can not sell or even give excess