Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Jarmo . Venalainen
Hi: Please be careful when working with solar system size Lithium packs on the cell level. We have been doing on-going testing with Lion battery packs from various suppliers and even with their built in temp sensors and other BMS circuits, have already had two thermal events. Lion is very

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
I was thinking of mounting the water heat elements into an aluminum plate, laying the plate flat over a 55 gallon drum and filling the water level up to the plate. Stratified water may make the top pretty hot but I guess it will work. Larry On 3/17/15 1:07 PM, Ray Walters wrote: Those look

[RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
I am repairing and restoring a pair of poorly designed lithium-ion battery bank that suffered over discharge, damaging many cells. After cell replacement I need to perform a discharge test with a 10kW load to verify the remaining capacity. The battery voltage is 105 volts @ 100% SoC and 89.6

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback quad stack X240 breaker tripping

2015-03-17 Thread Kevin Pegg
Thanks, Matt for the details here. I will be heading out to the site in the next little while and will report back what was found. Kevin -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]On Behalf Of Matt James Sent: March 17, 2015 12:22 PM To:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Mason
Load banks are for rent, I am in the generator business and it is a common requirement to provide a load bank upon installation. http://www.comrent.com/Solutions/load-bank-rentals.html On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Ray Walters r...@solarray.com wrote: Hi James; So couldn't Larry weld in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Jarmo . Venalainen
Hi: I cant put out anything which may show proprietary info, but here are a couple close up fragments of images of failure trials where the BMS system was not able to catch the issue before the event went out of bounds thermal. As you can see some kind of corrosive gas coated many surfaces

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
Hi Jarmo, One of the reasons I chose to sell and install GBS batteries is the chemistry is safer, they have vent caps (like AGM) and they offer an integrated solution where the battery, EMS/BMS and CPU are all designed specifically for each other instead of adding various parts from

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Larry, I think you hit on the best load already: water heater elements rated for 120 v. We have also used dump loads for wind turbines like the air heating elements from Bergey, but they are only about 1 kW each. Another possible source are the resistor banks for old golf carts (before

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Mason
I would rent a load bank, it will give you the versatility to change loads as needed. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Larry la...@starlightsolar.com wrote: I am repairing and restoring a pair of poorly designed lithium-ion battery bank that suffered over discharge, damaging many cells. After

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
Hey Ray, I remember seeing huge banks of light bulbs as loads back in the early 70's. I need to test the entire bank as one unit as the first cell of 32 to reach 2.8 volts determines the capacity for the bank. I just saw Home Depot has a 2kW 120 volt water heater for $10. Guess I need to do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread James Jefferson Jarvis
On 3/17/2015 3:07 PM, Ray Walters wrote: Those look like your solution. Also water can take more heat with less trouble than air heaters. I've had air heaters start melting things, etc. You can just install those in the side of a 55 gal barrel with a bulkhead fitting, or yes, weld the