Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-04-02 Thread Chris Schaefer
From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Shafer Sent: Wednesday, 18 March, 2015 21:57 To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank We use elite batteries with BMS no problems, the BMS sensor does seem to run

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-18 Thread Larry
Hi Jarmo, I agree and recognize your urgency in making us aware of the proper use and charging of Li-ion batteries as well as the dangers of mistreating them. As an early adopter myself, I am very cautious in my approach even to the point of refusing to sell to some customers. Lithium battery

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-18 Thread Bruce Erickson
If a communication failure with a single cell (not even an actual fault) can cause total battery shutdown, does that lead to a lot of nuisance tripping? Bruce Erickson Mendocino Solar Service PO Box 1252 Mendocino, CA 95460 707-937-1701 707-937-1741 fax br...@mendocinosolar.com Celebrating 20

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-18 Thread Larry
Not at all. The EMS boards are well built and are protected under a cover with the terminals. I have not had any failures of the EMS boards or any failure to communicate with them. Larry On 3/18/15 4:52 PM, Bruce Erickson wrote: If a communication failure with a single cell (not even an

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-18 Thread Jerry Shafer
We use elite batteries with BMS no problems, the BMS sensor does seem to run warm we are now setting up 4, 100 Ah banks with no problems so far. Jerry On Mar 18, 2015 1:52 PM, Bruce Erickson br...@mendocinosolar.com wrote: If a communication failure with a single cell (not even an actual fault)

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-18 Thread Max Balchowsky
. 92660 760-403-6810Building a Better Future For The Next Generation From: Larry la...@starlightsolar.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank Hi Jarmo, I agree

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-18 Thread Luke Christy
Larry, I've been checking out the [current] viability of Li+ technologies for RE systems, and I'm encouraged to hear of the success you've apparently had. What is the typical kWh size of the battery packs you've been putting together? Are you sourcing the GBS batteries directly from the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-18 Thread Larry
Hi Chris, Thanks for the recommendation. I received a quote from Comrent$1800 to rent a load for 1 week. Ouch! I'll go with the $10 water elements and a little fabrication time. I have AH counters and controllers to stop the discharge. Thank you, Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Jarmo . Venalainen
*** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: Larry la...@starlightsolar.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org, Date: 03/17/2015 11:41 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank Sent by: RE-wrenches re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
I was thinking of mounting the water heat elements into an aluminum plate, laying the plate flat over a 55 gallon drum and filling the water level up to the plate. Stratified water may make the top pretty hot but I guess it will work. Larry On 3/17/15 1:07 PM, Ray Walters wrote: Those look

[RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
I am repairing and restoring a pair of poorly designed lithium-ion battery bank that suffered over discharge, damaging many cells. After cell replacement I need to perform a discharge test with a 10kW load to verify the remaining capacity. The battery voltage is 105 volts @ 100% SoC and 89.6

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Mason
Load banks are for rent, I am in the generator business and it is a common requirement to provide a load bank upon installation. http://www.comrent.com/Solutions/load-bank-rentals.html On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Ray Walters r...@solarray.com wrote: Hi James; So couldn't Larry weld in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Jarmo . Venalainen
: www.Xantrex.com | Address: 3700 Gilmore Way, Burnaby, BC V5G4M1 *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: Ray Walters r...@solarray.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org, Date: 03/17/2015 01:35 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Larry, I think you hit on the best load already: water heater elements rated for 120 v. We have also used dump loads for wind turbines like the air heating elements from Bergey, but they are only about 1 kW each. Another possible source are the resistor banks for old golf carts (before

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Mason
I would rent a load bank, it will give you the versatility to change loads as needed. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Larry la...@starlightsolar.com wrote: I am repairing and restoring a pair of poorly designed lithium-ion battery bank that suffered over discharge, damaging many cells. After

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread Larry
Hey Ray, I remember seeing huge banks of light bulbs as loads back in the early 70's. I need to test the entire bank as one unit as the first cell of 32 to reach 2.8 volts determines the capacity for the bank. I just saw Home Depot has a 2kW 120 volt water heater for $10. Guess I need to do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load testing Lithium battery bank

2015-03-17 Thread James Jefferson Jarvis
On 3/17/2015 3:07 PM, Ray Walters wrote: Those look like your solution. Also water can take more heat with less trouble than air heaters. I've had air heaters start melting things, etc. You can just install those in the side of a 55 gal barrel with a bulkhead fitting, or yes, weld the