RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Alan Brownstein
I think Marty's second point below about the Court's somewhat positive reception to the least restrictive means argument is important because it provides a basis for resolving this case in Hobby Lobby's favor that is relatively limited in its application. Clement argues that this is a unique ca

Re: Fired Buddhist Employee Sues Claiming Failure To Accommodate Religious Beliefs

2014-03-25 Thread Steven Jamar
The employer's duty to accommodate is notoriously anemic. Forcing an employee to violate his beliefs concerning right speech seems wrong as a matter of morality and policy, but not law. If someone else can put the offensive words on the communications, then there might be an accommodation case,

Re: Fired Buddhist Employee Sues Claiming Failure To Accommodate Religious Beliefs

2014-03-25 Thread Steven Jamar
An employer's duty to accommodate is notoriously anemic. Here the Buddhist is likely claiming the requirement forces the employee Sent from Steve's iPhone > On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:34 PM, "Volokh, Eugene" wrote: > > An interesting lawsuit that Howard Friedman blogged about, >

Re: Fired Buddhist Employee Sues Claiming Failure To Accommodate Religious Beliefs

2014-03-25 Thread Arthur Spitzer
Or would the view of the United States be that this wireless network services company, as a for-profit corporation, cannot have religious beliefs and therefore cannot impose the religious beliefs of its owners or managers on its employees? ;-) *Warning* *: this message is subject to monitoring by

Re: Fired Buddhist Employee Sues Claiming Failure To Accommodate Religious Beliefs

2014-03-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
An interesting lawsuit that Howard Friedman blogged about, and that I thought I’d pass along. I assume that in this situation, the employee would win only if there were someone else who could have easily done the task instead of the plaintiff, yes? I would think that, both as a

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
Yes, and the Crown Kosher case came up in today’s argument. – Dan Conkle From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marc Stern Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:21 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu; 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Sub

Re: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Hillel Y. Levin
Will beat me to it. There is a category of clothes that aren't kosher (clothes made with both linen and wool fibers). But of course this isn't a big category of clothing! On Tuesday, March 25, 2014, Alan Brownstein wrote: > My dad had a hardware/housewares store in the Bronx. He was not an > ob

Re: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Marc Stern
One of the blue law cases did involve a kosher butcher - I think it was named Crown Kosher

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Alan Brownstein
My dad had a hardware/housewares store in the Bronx. He was not an observant Jew. Everyone was closed on Sunday. He was open on Saturday. He told me he did half of the week's business on Saturday and that it was impossible to be in business and be closed both days. Alan _

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Will Linden
But kosher clothes would have to avoid SHATNES. - Original Message - From: "Levinson, Sanford V" To: "'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics'" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:10:44 + Subject: RE: Hobby Lobby transcript > I stand thoroughly corrected! And, of course, there is no general

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Levinson, Sanford V
I stand thoroughly corrected! And, of course, there is no general category called "kosher clothes." This is a good demonstration that it's always a good idea to go back and read the cases before opining, because I also would have sworn that the case arose in Massachusetts. I'm glad I'm taking

Re: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Ira Lupu
Braunfeld did not sell meat. From the opinion: "Appellants are merchants in Philadelphia who engage in the retail sale of clothing and home furnishings within the proscription of the statute in issue." On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Levinson, Sanford V < slevin...@law.utexas.edu> wrote: > Wit

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Levinson, Sanford V
Is Hobby Lobby in the position of claiming a "right" to enlist in the armed forces, but, at the same time, to avoid being assigned duties that violate their religious views? I assume the general answer to such a request is "you don't have to enlist, but if you do, then you have to do it on the

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Levinson, Sanford V
With regard to Braunfield, given that the customers are a distinct subset of people who want Kosher meat, isn't the argument more that they are decidedly inconvenienced by being unable to shop on Sunday (which is just another day to them), but NOT that they will refrain from buying kosher meat f

Re: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Steven Jamar
Where is the complicity burden? The financial burden can’t be a burden. If the alternative removes the complicity, and that alternative is available to them, then where is the substantial burden on religion? It was plaintiff’s complicity theory that was the driving force. They had the burden

Re: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Micah Schwartzman
In the context of discussing Marty's substantial burden argument, Justice Kagan invoked Braunfeld. I made a similar comparison on the listserv back in December: > Braunfeld might support Marty's argument. The government provides an option > to all employers: (1) pay a tax, or (2) provide cover

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
Marty's argument did seem to get some traction. But in addressing the alternative of not providing insurance and simply paying the $26 million ($2000 per employee), Clement suggested that the overall cost to the employer - including the need to pay higher wages and the adverse impact on attract

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Richard Foltin
Given comments from Justices Breyer and Kagan, it does not look like there are five votes for the proposition that no for-profit corporation, no matter how closely held, may assert a free exercise interest. Richard T. Foltin, Esq. Director of National and Legislative Affairs Office of Governmen

Re: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Greg Lipper
One caveat to Marty’s second point: Paul Clement quite pointedly would not concede that his clients would be comfortable with the nonprofit-style accommodation – which is of course being challenged by several nonprofit entities represented by Becket Fund, which also represents Hobby Lobby. To b

Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Marty Lederman
is here: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/13-354_5436.pdf Audio should be available later in the week. I'd be curious to hear what others who attended thought of the argument. I'll mention only three things of particular note: First, several of the Justices, incl

RFRA claims for exemption from spousal share laws under state will and trust law

2014-03-25 Thread Steven Jamar
Have there been any cases where someone has asserted that a spousal election to take against the will has been challenged as violating a state RFRA? -- Prof. Steven D. Jamar vox: 202-806-8017 Director of International Programs, Institute for Intellectual Property and Social