RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-14 Thread Newsom Michael
described below? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:02 AM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions It is lamentable whenan accommodation that makes good sense is turned

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-14 Thread Newsom Michael
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Newsom Michael Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:40 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions I have to ask Professor West whether

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-14 Thread Anthony Picarello
to legislative acts and judicial rules alike if they help religious litigants. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:15 PMTo: religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduSubject: Re: In

Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-14 Thread Steven Jamar
I take it that challenges are improper even if well grounded? Not all challenges, of course, prevail (Rosenberger). On Monday, March 14, 2005, at 04:53 PM, Anthony Picarello wrote: Then, with the sole exception of federal constitutional amendments, religious groups can expect Establishment

Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-14 Thread Hamilton02
As I have said repeatedly, plenty of legislative accommodations are constitutional and legitimate. Blind accommodation, though, (RFRA/RLUIPA) in particular, presents legislators at their worst-- deferential to the point of being brain-dead, when there are obvious harms to others in the

Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-11 Thread Hamilton02
It is lamentable whenan accommodation that makes good sense is turned down by a legislature. But I see no reason to think that forcing assimilation of many behaviors is lamentable. Only the most rose-colored vision of religion thatcan thinkthat it should not assimilate in many

Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-11 Thread RJLipkin
Isn't the attitudeAlan's identifies as "the idea that religious people will somehow stop existing" better stated as the idea that religion should be privatized? Many who hold the latter view sincerely believe in a robust and well-defended area of religious worship, conduct,and _expression_.

Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-11 Thread Hamilton02
I think it is hard to say any decision is not political, but leaving that aside, the judicial decisions cannot be principled, because they rest on and are made by unelected individuals who always have an inadequate factual basis to assess and judge the public policy at stake. They cannot

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-11 Thread Douglas Laycock
hose cases. Douglas Laycock University of Texas Law School 727 E. Dean Keeton St. Austin, TX 78705 512-232-1341 512-471-6988 (fax) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Fri 3/11/2005 6:01 AMTo: religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduSubject: Re: Institutional Capacity t

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-11 Thread Newsom Michael
would be that they would have taken the same position. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:38 AM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions Isn't the attitudeAlan's identifies

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-10 Thread A.E. Brownstein
: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:50 PM To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions One might ask, why should those who object to the majority's views on religion alone be given across-the-board exemptions from the majority's views taught

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-10 Thread Lund, Christopher
, 2005 6:12 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions There are a variety of answers to this question -- about why religion is special and merits distinct constitutional consideration. I have written about several of them -- as have many

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
law has been applied? Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lund, Christopher Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:44 PM To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-10 Thread Douglas Laycock
] on behalf of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Thu 3/10/2005 9:24 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions Any thoughts on how this analysis applies to Bob Jones University, which was in fact required to change its religiosity

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-09 Thread West, Ellis
for Law Academics Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions To follow up on Doug's point, one of the problem's I have with Marci's arguments about judicial exemptions and legislative accommodations is that it sometimes appears as if Marci views religious groups seeking legislative

Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-09 Thread Hamilton02
I completely agree with Alan these issues are not black and white. The question is the lesser of two evils in determining accommodation: the courts or the legislature. I think it is very hard to argue the courts are better suited to make such a determination than a legislature. That is not

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-09 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:00 AM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions I completely agree with Alan these issues are not black and white. The question is the lesser of two evils in determining accommodation: the courts or the legislature. I think

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-09 Thread Douglas Laycock
PROTECTED]Sent: Wed 3/9/2005 2:57 PMTo: religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduSubject: Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions Byhaving legislatures makethe accommodation, I am not repealingthe Establishment Clause, which was the reason those cases came out the way they did.The Smith

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-09 Thread Newsom Michael
Message- From: West, Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:40 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions Although the issue of whether legislatures or courts are better qualified or more likely to grant

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-09 Thread Scarberry, Mark
. -Original Message- From: West, Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:40 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions Although the issue of whether legislatures or courts are better qualified or more

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-08 Thread A.E. Brownstein
To follow up on Doug's point, one of the problem's I have with Marci's arguments about judicial exemptions and legislative accommodations is that it sometimes appears as if Marci views religious groups seeking legislative accommodations or constitutionally mandated exemptions as self interested

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-08 Thread Newsom Michael
@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions I couldn't agree more, Mike, that the facts determinative here, but I strongly disagree with your characterization of the facts. Not every accommodation should be granted, indeed, many should not. Since I don't know what the Pagans

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-07 Thread Newsom Michael
. These narratives thoroughly demolish the theories. And they make the case for exemptions on a case-by-case basis. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:03 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Institutional Capacity

Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-07 Thread Hamilton02
I couldn't agree more, Mike, that the facts determinative here, but I strongly disagree with your characterization of the facts. Not every accommodation should be granted, indeed, many should not. Since I don't know what the Pagans requested, I don't know how to judge the denials. It is nonsense

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-07 Thread Douglas Laycock
University of Texas Law School 727 E. Dean Keeton St. Austin, TX 78705 512-232-1341 512-471-6988 (fax) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Mon 3/7/2005 9:49 PMTo: religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduSubject: Re: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions I couldn't agree more