[Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-13 Thread skipp025
Our application is on DOCSIS network... Closed network... Works well for the roughly 125k devices on it... Auto polling for mapping is about every 90 seconds - refreshing the map manually causes a manual poll which takes about 10 seconds to complete. Worst case we're looking at about

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-12 Thread Brian Raker
Are you certain that the smart power meters are BPL? Things I've been reading is that they are mesh-based in the Part 15 900MHz ISM band. -Brian / KF4ZWZ On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Kris Kirby k...@catonic.us wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Eric Lemmon wrote: It's quite simple:  when the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-12 Thread skipp025
Reverse the logic - if it's a non-responder (no telemetry after n minutes), it shows up on the map as a customer out. OK, but it can't be practical in this application (by the sheer number of units in service) to poll individual specific locations within n-minutes... and and that amount of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-12 Thread Matthew Kaufman
Brian Raker wrote: Are you certain that the smart power meters are BPL? Things I've been reading is that they are mesh-based in the Part 15 900MHz ISM band. Out here PGE has a fair number operating in the 450-470 MHz band as well. And the electric and gas meter networks are separate.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-12 Thread AJ
Skipp... Our application is on DOCSIS network... Closed network... Works well for the roughly 125k devices on it... Auto polling for mapping is about every 90 seconds - refreshing the map manually causes a manual poll which takes about 10 seconds to complete. Worst case we're looking at about a

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread skipp025
Look on the bright side: The smart meters allow the electric utility company to immediately identify a power outage and identify the areas affected, If the meter's radio data transceiver operates on electricity, which may be missing/out... how does the dead radio notify the mother

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread MCH
Missing beacons. Same way you know that your repeater is off the air (well, not that they beacon, but they are not there when you try to key them up). Although, I know many that do beacon. Or, they might have cells or capacitors that will power it long enough to say

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread AJ
Reverse the logic - if it's a non-responder (no telemetry after n minutes), it shows up on the map as a customer out. We currently have a Google maps-based outage tracking system that places a green dot for working modem, yellow for modem syncing and red for offline... Since we have SNMP

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread Ken Arck
At 01:38 PM 1/11/2010, skipp025 wrote: If the meter's radio data transceiver operates on electricity, which may be missing/out... how does the dead radio notify the mother ship once the supply goes away? You'll be able to tell because that phantom signal you hear on your repeater input or

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread DCFluX
I can already see opportunities for this smart technology to be abused. Like the meter scaling so that only half or a quarter of the power consumed is measured or drive down the street transmitting the right signal and black out a neighborhood.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread MCH
About as likely as someone driving down the street, transmitting on your input, and it triggering the code to shut your repeater off. At least I hope so if they've implemented even the most basic security measures such as coded access. Of course, it does introduce a new level of hacking. Joe

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread Eric Lemmon
@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again) Look on the bright side: The smart meters allow the electric utility company to immediately identify a power outage and identify the areas affected, If the meter's radio data transceiver operates

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-11 Thread Kris Kirby
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Eric Lemmon wrote: It's quite simple: when the signal goes away, the meter must have lost power. When the HF bands are clear, the BPL network must be down? -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-10 Thread kc8gpd
And the Agent told me they can easily track energy consumption with time of day. i have always had a problem with this. it eventually leads prices based on the time of day you use energy. as if they don't gouge you enough already they want more for usage during certain times of the day.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-10 Thread Ken Arck
At 02:51 PM 1/10/2010, kc8gpd wrote: And the Agent told me they can easily track energy consumption with time of day. i have always had a problem with this. it eventually leads prices based on the time of day you use energy. as if they don't gouge you enough already they want more for usage

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again)

2010-01-10 Thread Eric Lemmon
:51 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Those PGE Smart Meters (again) And the Agent told me they can easily track energy consumption with time of day. i have always had a problem with this. it eventually leads prices based on the time of day you use