[Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Hi guys .I am just wanted to confirm a question on coax shielding . With 2-10 watts transmitting through rg213u could rf be escaping that could cause desensitization to other radios .The repeater I have setup uses 9 meters of heliax from the main diplexer to ant and rg213u from the link radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
At UHF, possibly, at VHF unlikely... you did not specify :-) How close are the frequencies??? Lots of details left out for us to help. If the freq's are within a few hundred kiloherts at vhf, antenna separation is probably the issue... More details please?? Doug KD8B kerincom wrote: Hi

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
I think the coax causing issues is a reasonable assumption… and probably the easiest thing to try. Good luck. 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kerincom Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:51 AM

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Uhf the link is 517mhz and the repeater TX/rx pair is 473.475 and 478.675mhz on one repeater and it is in a weak area with the main site so it has to transmitt aprox 10 watts   Thank You, Ian Wells, Kerinvale Comaudio, 3A Murchison Street,Biloela.4715 Ph 0749922449 or 0409159932 or

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
Ian, RG-213 coax can definitely contribute to desense, as can cheap connectors and adapters. I suggest making up new jumpers using double-shielded coax such as RG-400 or RG-214, and fit these jumpers with high-quality, crimp-on connectors of the correct type on each end so that no adapters or

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Jumpers between the TX ,rx and diplexer are rg223u .I thought of using rg223u for the link radio to its antenna because it is only aprox 2-3meters long but I felt I should try lmr400 because of the 100% shielding and the link radio is just a standard radio that works in either rx or TX mode and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
Ian; It would seem that at uhf ~30mhz away cable leakage in the shed would seem to be less likely than antenna to antenna interference. In general it is the white noise generated by a transmitter on other frequencies that is most likely to cause desense to a co located rx. Assuming you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Would it be better to change the link radio to crystal instead of programmed .It is currently a tait t2010   Thank You, Ian Wells, Kerinvale Comaudio, 3A Murchison Street,Biloela.4715 Ph 0749922449 or 0409159932 or 0749922574 www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au ---Original

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
That's what I thought as I am currently using a 6ld450s notch diplexer and should change it to a band pass/band reject diplexer .I tried a experiment on site where I added 1 cavity inline with the receiver 478.675 and it seemed to improve the problem .so that was going to be the next step but I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
In theory most xtal radios are quieter than synthesized ones, but a filter would seem to be the better thing to do as it really stops the problem...even a bandpass can or 2 on the link radio would be acceptable if a notch is not available.. I just offered a notch duplexer option as they can be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Ok thanks .I will upgrade the diplexer and see how that goes I might have to change all my repeaters the same .   Thank You, Ian Wells, Kerinvale Comaudio, 3A Murchison Street,Biloela.4715 Ph 0749922449 or 0409159932 or 0749922574 www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au ---Original

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
While your logic is good on this, a Pass/Reject would help THAT transmitter be more friendly to other receivers... and protect from raw RF overload from other near-but-not-on-frequency transmitters... but the noise geration issue ( part 2 of my general site comments) needs to be plugged up on

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
Ian, Since RG-223 is double-shielded cable and is similar in construction to RG-400, it will be fine- provided you are using the connectors specifically made for RG-223 which has a larger OD than RG-400. Please don't even think about using LMR-400, 9913F, or any foil/braid cable because of

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread skipp025
kerincom kerin...@... wrote: Hi guys .I am just wanted to confirm a question on coax shielding . Simple answer... It's there and never seems to behave exactly how you would expect it to. With 2-10 watts transmitting through rg213u could RF be escaping that could cause desensitization

[Repeater-Builder] Piston Trimmer Voltage Rating

2010-06-27 Thread Tim
Hi folks, Am just finishing up the 6 meter heliax duplexer project, and am getting some pretty good numbers. (3 'cans' on each side, 90dB notch about 1.2dB 'pass' attenuation).. Anyhow, I used some Johanson piston trimmers that I had, but evidently they are a bit shy on the working voltage

[Repeater-Builder] Battery Revert help for MSF 5000 Diode question

2010-06-27 Thread Mikey
Hello Group, I need some help i am working on a MSF 5000 it has a TPN 1186b power supply i need to have a battery back up what i want to do is get a 10 amp automatic battery charger to keep the battery charged my question is what size of diode and how many? would i need to go from the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Piston Trimmer Voltage Rating

2010-06-27 Thread Eric Grabowski
Instead of piston trimmers you might want to try ARCO padders (postage stamp size that can tolerate higher levels of rf current) or small air variable capacitors. I have found both at reasonable prices at this site: http://www.danssmallpartsandkits.net/ 73 and aloha, Eric KH6CQ --- On Sun,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Hi skip .The repeater radios are maxon sm4450sc and the link is a tait t2010 The test I have tried in the past have been definitely point to the link being the problem as when we turn the link off the repeater works to its full range but with it on we get desence. We used to have the link closer

[Repeater-Builder] GR1225 VHF

2010-06-27 Thread k6kusman
Hello all. I have a very good working GR1225 VHF repeater that I can't really use. I would like to see if anyone would be interested in trading this vhf radio for a good working uhf radio?. I just don't need the vhf anymore and have my pair ready to go for UHF. Thanks and let me know.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Piston Trimmer Voltage Rating

2010-06-27 Thread Tim
Hi Eric, I've been on Dan's site he has some good stuff. I had the piston trimmers 'in-stock', so that's what I used. (as did the original design) Was curious About the WV of them. Thanks, Tim -Original Message- From: Eric Grabowski ejgrabow...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Mark HARRISON
Hi Ian, I think I'd be taking a close look at both transmitters with a spectrum analyser and seeing if they are both suitable for repeater work. I'm not familiar with either radio, but usually radios designed for duplex work go to a lot more trouble with internal shielding than your average

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Piston Trimmer Voltage Rating

2010-06-27 Thread DCFluX
Usually 250V. The more robust ones are rated for 500V, but generally as capacitance range goes up working voltage goes down. See if you can find some Russian surplus on ebay, those trimmers are built like a tank. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Tim tahr...@swtexas.net wrote: Hi Eric, I've

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Ian Wells
Currently I have no filters between the link transmitter and its antenna. Thank You ,Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio, 3A Murchison Street, Biloela.4715 Ph 0749922449 Mb 0409159932 Hm 0749922574 Fx 0749922767 www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au ---Original Message--- From: Mark HARRISON Date:

[Repeater-Builder] 1/2 or 7/8 coax needed

2010-06-27 Thread Larry Watkinson
I am in need of 1/2 or 7/8 coax. I live in Olympia, WA and I am willing to pick up within 100 miles or pay shipping to Olympia, WA. I need 300 feet total or two pieces 150 feet. Thanks, Larry KC7CKO

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Piston Trimmer Voltage Rating

2010-06-27 Thread skipp025
Instead of piston trimmers you might want to try ARCO padders (postage stamp size that can tolerate higher levels of rf current) or small air variable capacitors. I have nfound both at reasonable prices at this site: A generic statement that has merit in this subject Q is everything

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Piston Trimmer Voltage Rating

2010-06-27 Thread DCFluX
1/4 super flex makes a pretty decent gimmick capacitor. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:16 PM, skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com wrote: Instead of piston trimmers you might want to try ARCO padders (postage stamp size that can tolerate higher levels of rf current) or small air variable capacitors. I