Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PA question
Kevin, As others have said, the model# is key to knowing what to expect. My personal experience is that if you are in the 146 or 147 MHz range you may be OK, but if you are in the 145MHz range, you will probably need to convert your amp to the low range. My TLD-1693 amp would only make about 20 watts and had higher than normal current draw when attempting to run it at 145.230. The TLD-1692 amps are out there, but are somewhat hard to find. Good luck and 73, Kevin, K9HX At 10:38 AM 1/20/2005, you wrote: I have a 110 watt PA from a micor base, that was on the low end of the 150mhz range. Am I correct in assuming this should tune up fine on the 2 meter band? Also, I believe these require about 400mw drive but I want to confirm it. I think I have the schematics for this someplace but have to dig them up if needed. TIA to all. Kevin K2KMB Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PA question
Kevin, A proper answer to your question requires advance knowledge of the specific amplifier you have. Since you stated that your PA is rated at 110 watts, I must assume that it is an intermittent duty PA. Intermittent duty PAs were offered in three band splits: 132-150.8 MHz (TLD1682), 150.8-162 MHz (TLD1683), and 162-174 MHz (TLD1684). All of them expect a 400 mW drive signal. The continuous-duty PAs- which differed mostly in the size of the heat sink- were also offered in three splits: TLD1692, TLD1693, and TLD1694, respectively. The ideal PA for the 2m band is either a TLD1682 or a TLD1692. The reason that Motorola decided to make three band splits for the Micor VHF PAs is because Motorola found that the stability of operation and the purity of signal worthy of their top-of-the-line equipment called for PAs that were optimized for their respective band splits. Take a close look and the parts lists for each amplifier, and you'll see that there are between 70 and 90 differences in component values between them. I know that a few dedicated Hams out there have painstakingly converted a TLD1693 PA into a TLD1692 version, but it was expensive and labor-intensive. However, those modified PAs worked perfectly and met all performance specifications. Despite what some folks may say, you can't do a few simple mods to a Micor PA and magically transform it into a different band split. There are good reasons for every component, and there are no shortcuts. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Kevin Bednar wrote: I have a 110 watt PA from a Micor base, that was on the low end of the 150 MHz range. Am I correct in assuming this should tune up fine on the 2 meter band? Also, I believe these require about 400 mW drive but I want to confirm it. I think I have the schematics for this someplace but have to dig them up if needed. TIA to all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr pro deskmate
Greetings, Anyone know where I can find a service manual for this repeater? I am also looking for TX/RX strips for UHF operation. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Dennis, KB8YGC Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Pulsar IMTS conversion
A IMTS Pulsar sounds like fun to convert. One thing to remember to make things simple. IT'S A RADIO FIRST THEN THEY ADDED THE IMTS CONTROLLER. Boy It's been many years sence I'v worked on one. 73 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kd7jz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have acquired a 100 watt VHF Pulsar IMTS base station. I have the manual and have looked at converting it to low split, for repeater use. If nothing else, I may only convert the PA. I would like to hear from anyone who has worked on a conversion like this. 73 de Tim KD7JZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Need Help ID GE DUPLEXER
Hi Gang, I need help with the specs for a DB Products UHF Duplexer with a GE part number. Here is the name plate info: GE part number: 19D402955-P10 Freq Band: 450-512 Freq Separation: 3-20 I need Isolation info and anything that you have ... like equivlent DB part number. I have a few ideas but I'm not sure. 73 and thanks AC0Y Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 Repeater
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They were built as cheap as CBs of the era, and on the same production lines. But we hams built repeaters out of them because that's all there was. This may be all true, but the proven track record of every 13-509 repeater unmodified mobile radio I've worked with makes me conclude that they are perfectly acceptable for repeater use. I once tuned one up on a spectrum analyzer - couldn't make it go spurious even if I tried. I really, really suggest that you look at Mitreks and similar newer radios as 220 candidates. Kevin and Scott Z. have spent untold hours perfecting the 220 Micor and Mastr-II conversions and are GIVING AWAY their technology here. A properly converted commercial radio might be better in the end, but is a lot more work. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Pulsar IMTS conversion
You should probably try to locate a manual before you get yourself in too deep. Neil - WA6KLA Coy Hilton wrote: A IMTS Pulsar sounds like fun to convert. One thing to remember to make things simple. IT'S A RADIO FIRST THEN THEY ADDED THE IMTS CONTROLLER. Boy It's been many years sence I'v worked on one. 73 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kd7jz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have acquired a 100 watt VHF Pulsar IMTS base station. I have the manual and have looked at converting it to low split, for repeater use. If nothing else, I may only convert the PA. I would like to hear from anyone who has worked on a conversion like this. 73 de Tim KD7JZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 Repeater
At 08:33 PM 1/20/05, you wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They were built as cheap as CBs of the era, and on the same production lines. But we hams built repeaters out of them because that's all there was. This may be all true, but the proven track record of every 13-509 repeater unmodified mobile radio I've worked with makes me conclude that they are perfectly acceptable for repeater use. I once tuned one up on a spectrum analyzer - couldn't make it go spurious even if I tried. Absolutely true. I tried the same thing, and that is one reason that when Bill Pasternak came to me and asked for help on the book that I wasn't too worried about the 13-509 chapters. I really, really suggest that you look at Mitreks and similar newer radios as 220 candidates. Kevin and Scott Z. have spent untold hours perfecting the 220 Micor and Mastr-II conversions and are GIVING AWAY their technology here. A properly converted commercial radio might be better in the end, but is a lot more work. Also true - but try and find a 13-509 these days. Back in the '80s there were many sources. These days the '509s are scarce, and Mitreks are common. You work with what you have or can get. Mike Mike Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr pro deskmate
Sorry about that I forgot. Model ET 58A I am not all that familiar with the mastr pro series and just picked this one up last weekend and wanted to convert to UHF. Thanks! Dennis --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best thig to do when requesting information as you are is to determine all the model numbers on the cabinet then the model numbers on each chassis you are planning to use etc. Numbers such as ER42 ... or ET58 ... and include all the letters/digits too. Just making a general request about a Mastr-Pro like trying to order a water pump from an auto parts place without telling them what year / model of the vehicle. Neil - WA6KLA Dennis Adams wrote: Greetings, Anyone know where I can find a service manual for this repeater? I am also looking for TX/RX strips for UHF operation. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Dennis, KB8YGC Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr pro deskmate
Well, the first thing you have to do is determine what frequency band it is on to begin with? If it is on 49.56 MHz, it will be a very long and difficult pull to get it to UHF. This is the reason I asked for model (chassis) numbers. Without the numbers, I won't be able to assist you more. Of course you could provide pictures, but will still need the model numbers. I have numerous pieces/parts of Mastr-Pro here ... on various frequencies - but all have model (chassis) numbers. Neil - WA6KLA Dennis Adams wrote: Sorry about that I forgot. Model ET 58A I am not all that familiar with the mastr pro series and just picked this one up last weekend and wanted to convert to UHF. Thanks! Dennis --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best thig to do when requesting information as you are is to determine all the model numbers on the cabinet then the model numbers on each chassis you are planning to use etc. Numbers such as ER42 ... or ET58 ... and include all the letters/digits too. Just making a general request about a Mastr-Pro like trying to order a water pump from an auto parts place without telling them what year / model of the vehicle. Neil - WA6KLA Dennis Adams wrote: Greetings, Anyone know where I can find a service manual for this repeater? I am also looking for TX/RX strips for UHF operation. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Dennis, KB8YGC Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Mating a CAT-1000 and a Kenwood TKR-850E Model II
Recently, Kenwood changed models and the new TKR-850E Model II purchased from Cook Towers, has different software. The mode settings are different in the new software and do not allow the CAT recommended No answer to the repeat mode. Neither CAT nor Cook have been very much help. (New Model; little information). Could be I don't know the right questions to ask, but it would seem that either or both should be able to tell me what I need to know. No such luck, so far. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Dave, K5EYP Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] All the same radio! Try?
Hello All, If you are on a quest for a Midland 13-509 there where a pile of radio's that where the same radio. Midland made 3 ver. of the 13-509 over the years they all worked well. Also look for a Clegg FM-76 it was a Privite labeled Midland 13-509 also Cobra got into the picture with a Cobra-200 also a Midland 13-509 this one is real rare. In this area you can still fine Clegg FM-76's also if you need parts for any of the above Maggiore out in West Chester PA has boxes full of part. I bought a relay for a Midland 13-509 we have out in the den to monitor the repeater and the relay went south and they had one. That is a neat Midland. It has a out BD channel-lizer and an out BD Com-Spec. PL incoder. But it is on 24 hours a day and just keeps running. Good luck with you 220! Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mating a CAT-1000 and a Kenwood TKR-850E Model II
Hey Dave and the group, I installed a controller on my new Kenwood VER. two TKR-850 and had no problems. I used a Link-Comm RCL-3 I bought the jumper cable for it and it worked right out of the box. You have to watch the Cat controller as the PTT line to the Kenwood TKR-850 ver. two is back wards. Dean over at Cook told me that before I hooked up the controller and I ADJed the dip switched on the Link-Comm before I hooked it up. I am very happy with the sound of the Kenwood audio and the controller. If you check the out put of the Cat controller you can find out where the problem is. Controller or Repeater. Try this easy test. on the DB-25 jack on the back of the repeater ground the PTT pin if the Kenwood TKR-850 ver. 2 goes in transmit you have the repeater programmed right. Now lets look at the controller. With a VOM or DVM if you please go between the PTT of the controller and ground. If you show a short when you power up the controller it is in the controller. At this point look at the book for the controller and see how to change the PTT state. It should be active low to key the Kenwood. I have heard folks here of late have problems with the Cats being low on the PTT all the time and never go high. But the above test well let you know if it is in the Kenwood or controller. Then the fix I would think will be easy from there. Let us know how you make out. If it is in the Kenwood give Dean Westbrook a call over at Cook he is real sharp I am sure he will help you. He helped me allot on my 1st Kenwood. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH. - Original Message - From: David A. Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mating a CAT-1000 and a Kenwood TKR-850E Model II Recently, Kenwood changed models and the new TKR-850E Model II purchased from Cook Towers, has different software. The mode settings are different in the new software and do not allow the CAT recommended No answer to the repeat mode. Neither CAT nor Cook have been very much help. (New Model; little information). Could be I don't know the right questions to ask, but it would seem that either or both should be able to tell me what I need to know. No such luck, so far. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Dave, K5EYP Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr pro deskmate
Thanks Neil. I will get those model numbers later tonight. I am not sure what frequency exactly but there are strips in there but I am sure they are probably VHF 2 meters but don't quote me on that. As you can tell I am not too familiar with this GE model I am more familiar with the mastr II's but have a vast knowledge of electronics and am hoping to get this one up and running this spring. Thanks for your help thus far and I will get those model numbers ASAP! Dennis --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the first thing you have to do is determine what frequency band it is on to begin with? If it is on 49.56 MHz, it will be a very long and difficult pull to get it to UHF. This is the reason I asked for model (chassis) numbers. Without the numbers, I won't be able to assist you more. Of course you could provide pictures, but will still need the model numbers. I have numerous pieces/parts of Mastr-Pro here ... on various frequencies - but all have model (chassis) numbers. Neil - WA6KLA Dennis Adams wrote: Sorry about that I forgot. Model ET 58A I am not all that familiar with the mastr pro series and just picked this one up last weekend and wanted to convert to UHF. Thanks! Dennis --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best thig to do when requesting information as you are is to determine all the model numbers on the cabinet then the model numbers on each chassis you are planning to use etc. Numbers such as ER42 ... or ET58 ... and include all the letters/digits too. Just making a general request about a Mastr-Pro like trying to order a water pump from an auto parts place without telling them what year / model of the vehicle. Neil - WA6KLA Dennis Adams wrote: Greetings, Anyone know where I can find a service manual for this repeater? I am also looking for TX/RX strips for UHF operation. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Dennis, KB8YGC Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Cook Towers
Hi All, I'm looking for a Cook Towers web site but coming up blank. Do I have the name right? Do they have a site? Anyone have the URL? Thanks... Doug Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PA question
Kevin Berlen, K9HX wrote: Kevin, Kevin, K9HX At 10:38 AM 1/20/2005, you wrote: Kevin K2KMB Boy, there sure is a lot of Kevin's in this group! Maybe more than Jim's! -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Pulsar IMTS conversion
Coy Hilton wrote: A IMTS Pulsar sounds like fun to convert. One thing to remember to make things simple. IT'S A RADIO FIRST THEN THEY ADDED THE IMTS CONTROLLER. Boy It's been many years sence I'v worked on one. 73 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kd7jz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have acquired a 100 watt VHF Pulsar IMTS base station. I have the manual and have looked at converting it to low split, for repeater use. If nothing else, I may only convert the PA. I would like to hear from anyone who has worked on a conversion like this. 73 de Tim KD7JZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] When you say it's a base station, I assume that it's the IMTS version of a Micor station. It should be pretty straightforward. The RF is the same, only the card cage is different, and since you have the book, it would be a matter of adapting info already out there to the cage you have. I didn't do the conversion on the one our group has, but I remember it said that one issue was getting PL into the transmitter, the trace usually used wasn't there or something like that? I didn't see it right off, but didn't someone submit some info on those to RBTIP a while back??? -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cook Towers
Hi Doug, We do not have a website, however if you'd like to drop us an e- mail direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED] we'd be happy to help you. If you'd prefer to call us toll free, the number is 877-992-2665.This is not an order only line, you're welcome to call and chat.If we can help you with any technical questions or product information, please feel free to call. We carry such a vast array of items that we would constantly be updating a webpage. Sincerely, Kathleen Cook, CEO Cook Towers Inc. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Zastrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a Cook Towers web site but coming up blank. Do I have the name right? Do they have a site? Anyone have the URL? Thanks... Doug Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr pro deskmate
Ok, good! Neil Dennis Adams wrote: Thanks Neil. I will get those model numbers later tonight. I am not sure what frequency exactly but there are strips in there but I am sure they are probably VHF 2 meters but don't quote me on that. As you can tell I am not too familiar with this GE model I am more familiar with the mastr II's but have a vast knowledge of electronics and am hoping to get this one up and running this spring. Thanks for your help thus far and I will get those model numbers ASAP! Dennis --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the first thing you have to do is determine what frequency band it is on to begin with? If it is on 49.56 MHz, it will be a very long and difficult pull to get it to UHF. This is the reason I asked for model (chassis) numbers. Without the numbers, I won't be able to assist you more. Of course you could provide pictures, but will still need the model numbers. I have numerous pieces/parts of Mastr-Pro here ... on various frequencies - but all have model (chassis) numbers. Neil - WA6KLA Dennis Adams wrote: Sorry about that I forgot. Model ET 58A I am not all that familiar with the mastr pro series and just picked this one up last weekend and wanted to convert to UHF. Thanks! Dennis --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best thig to do when requesting information as you are is to determine all the model numbers on the cabinet then the model numbers on each chassis you are planning to use etc. Numbers such as ER42 ... or ET58 ... and include all the letters/digits too. Just making a general request about a Mastr-Pro like trying to order a water pump from an auto parts place without telling them what year / model of the vehicle. Neil - WA6KLA Dennis Adams wrote: Greetings, Anyone know where I can find a service manual for this repeater? I am also looking for TX/RX strips for UHF operation. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Dennis, KB8YGC Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PA question
I found several of the 2-Meter range TLD-1692 MICOR 100-watt PAs on ebay, rec.radio.swap, etc. over the last couple years. I bought three them for myself as spares since I have two - 2-Meter repeaters that use them. I converted four or five of the high-split range TLD-1693s into TLD-1692s over the years, by changing all of the M or H range parts shown in the service manual to those values for the L (low) range. Whenever I'd be on a business trip near Motorola in Schaumburg, IL, I'd make arrangements to FAX them a parts list of things I needed, then just stop by to pick them up. I still have one more set of parts to do one more 2-Meter conversion, but now that I have some factory spare PAs in the correct frequency split, I probably won't bother. It involves nearly stripping the original PA circuit board to change out many of the caps, coils, resistors, transformers, both trimmer caps, etc. and replacing them with the correct 2-Meter L range parts. Back about 12-14 years ago when I bought this last set of MICOR PA replacement parts, they probably cost around $150-175 total, with the most expensive parts being some of the special transformers and the two trimmer caps. I don't think that many of the parts are available any longer from Motorola, but some of the parts (like the transformers) have an equivalent replacement as MSR-2000 VHF PA part numbers. You just need both manuals (MICOR and MSR-2000) to compare schematics, circuit board layouts, and part numbers side by side before you contact Motorola to check on parts availability. LJ Original Message: - From: Kevin Berlen, K9HX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:37:46 -0500 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PA question html body Kevin,brbr As others have said, the model# is key to knowing what to expect. My personal experience is that if you are in the 146 or 147 MHz range you may be OK, but if you are in the 145MHz range, you will probably need to convert your amp to the low range. My TLD-1693 amp would only make about 20 watts and had higher than normal current draw when attempting to run it at 145.230. The TLD-1692 amps are out there, but are somewhat hard to find. Good luck and 73,brbr Kevin, K9HXbrbr At 10:38 AM 1/20/2005, you wrote:brbr blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=font size=2I have a 110 watt PA from a micor base, that was on the low end of the 150mhz range. Am I correct in assuming this should tune up fine on the 2 meter band? Also, I believe these require about 400mw drive but I want to confirm it. I think I have the schematics for this someplace but have to dig them up if needed. TIA to all.br /fontbr font size=2Kevin/fontfont face=Times New Roman, Timesbr /fontfont size=2K2KMB/fontfont face=Times New Roman, Times br /fontbrbr ttbrbr /ttbrbr br hr ttYahoo! Groups Links/b ul liTo visit your group on the web, go to: lia href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder//a li liTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: li a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] e [EMAIL PROTECTED]/a li liYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the a href=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/;Yahoo! Terms of Service/a. /ul/blockquote brbr tt BR BR /tt brbr !-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -- br tthr width=500 bYahoo! Groups Links/bbr ul liTo visit your group on the web, go to:bra href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/;http://groups.yahoo.c om/group/Repeater-Builder//abr liTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:bra href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] e[EMAIL PROTECTED]/abr liYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the a href=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/;Yahoo! Terms of Service/a. /ul /tt /br !-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -- /body br /html mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [SPAM] - Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PA question - Email found in subject
LOL ;) Kevin K2KMB -Original Message- From: Jim B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:33 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PA question - Email found in subject Kevin Berlen, K9HX wrote: Kevin, Kevin, K9HX At 10:38 AM 1/20/2005, you wrote: Kevin K2KMB Boy, there sure is a lot of Kevin's in this group! Maybe more than Jim's! -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Pulsar IMTS conversion
At 04:12 AM 1/21/2005 -, you wrote: A IMTS Pulsar sounds like fun to convert. One thing to remember to make things simple. IT'S A RADIO FIRST THEN THEY ADDED THE IMTS CONTROLLER. Boy It's been many years sence I'v worked on one. ---Many years ago, I converted a Pulsar II mobile into a repeater. They were kinda neat in this regard as they were like Micors, in the sense they only needed one xtal and had a 5 Mhz IF. So offsetting was easy. At the time, SoCal used reverse splits on UHF (don't know if they are still low in/high out down there) so it was a piece of cake to do. The only real problem I found with the Pulsar was that it used PNP PA devices (and perhaps even germanium ones too?), and was a PITA to repair. It was also basically a VHF radio with a varactor tripler and no active stages afterwards. Working from my photographic memory, which seems to be running low on film these days! Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Circulator vs. Isolator
List members, Is there any reason that a circulator could not be used as an isolator? Assuming appropriate power handling capabilities, I would think the former would work just fine. Amp output into port 1, Bp/antenna on port 2, dummy load on port 3, and any reflected power from the Bp/antenna should be absorbed by the dummy load. Am I missing anything here? Scott Madison, WN1B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Circulator vs. Isolator
wn1b8 wrote: List members, Is there any reason that a circulator could not be used as an isolator? Assuming appropriate power handling capabilities, I would think the former would work just fine. Amp output into port 1, Bp/antenna on port 2, dummy load on port 3, and any reflected power from the Bp/antenna should be absorbed by the dummy load. Am I missing anything here? Scott Madison, WN1B Nope-that's basically the way they normally get used. I assume when you say Bp/antenna that you mean a band-pass cavity in line. Normally a low-pass filter is used, not a cavity, because cavities can frequently be resonant on the second harmonic (or higher), which is what you're trying to filter out. Circulators normally generate harmonics. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Look on the Kevin's Web site under Astron power supplies for info on how to use an Astron to float batteries. There needs to be a diode between the power supply and the batteries to prevent the batteries from discharging back into the power supply when the AC is gone. You can alos use a BIG relay that drops the PSU when the AC goes off. I actually do that with my Astron. When the AC picks up I force the repeater into low power (if it keys up) for a timed period to let the batteries charge up to near float voltage. The PSU needs current limit or it will blow out when the power comes on. So check repeater- builder for the astron modification dope. Or you can gin up something crude with relays like I did. 73 Ed K3SWJ --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 Repeater
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A properly converted commercial radio might be better in the end, but is a lot more work. Also true - but try and find a 13-509 these days. Back in the '80s there were many sources. These days the '509s are scarce, and Mitreks are common. You work with what you have or can get. Mike There's a Clegg FM-76 (same thing) on eBay right now (5745586858). Also a manual for same (5745122493). Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need Help ID GE DUPLEXER
Coy I'll take alook at the couple that I have and ssend what info I have. I have one repeater on with one of these. I measured that one and it provided just over 80 dB. I believe they are specd at 75 dB for the six cavity units. There is a group of four cavity units also. I used have the info on them as I wrote the original purchase spec for these duplexers back in the 1970s when I worked for GE. 73 Ed K3SWJ --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Coy Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gang, I need help with the specs for a DB Products UHF Duplexer with a GE part number. Here is the name plate info: GE part number: 19D402955-P10 Freq Band: 450-512 Freq Separation: 3-20 I need Isolation info and anything that you have ... like equivlent DB part number. I have a few ideas but I'm not sure. 73 and thanks AC0Y Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Powering the repeater with batterys
Hello Mathew,I have used batterys to power my repeater for several years,with the type battery charger that is automatic.(15 to 20 amp)When the battery charge is full the charger shuts itself off,when it drops to a lower voltage it restarts automatically. This keeps the battery charged and don't boil the water out of it, like one that charges all the time.I have never had battery charger noise.Also as soon as the repeater keys it causes the dc voltage to drop and the charger kicks and carries part of the current load. Hope this helps Don / N5SVK 73 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
edctexas wrote: Look on the Kevin's Web site under Astron power supplies for info on how to use an Astron to float batteries. There needs to be a diode between the power supply and the batteries to prevent the batteries from discharging back into the power supply when the AC is gone. You can alos use a BIG relay that drops the PSU when the AC goes off. The only problem with that is that if the Astron blows, the relay won't drop out (since there's still AC), and the batt's won't pick up, so yer off the air. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
The method I have prefered over the years is the Motorola Micor repeater TPN1105A/TPN1106A Power Supples that also charge the battery. The radio site near here uses that power supply to run both repeaters and charge the battery as well. Just my opinion. I have the one power supply that is in service and three more for spare parts. A number of years ago, had one site with three 100 watt Micor repeaters ... each repeater had one of the power supplies. The output of the three power supplies were paralleled and charged two Size 8D 'cat batteries.' One day I went to the site on a maintenance schedule and found one side of the radio systems primary power circuit breaker had failed. That caused one of the above power supplies to power all three 100 watt repeaters - for how long? I didn't know. Seems two of the repeaters were plugged into the failed side of the power line / the remaining repeater was on the other side of the power line. BTW, two of the repeaters were public safety / the power supply that was supplying all the power was on the amateur radio repeater. Neil - WA6KLA Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Got one to spare...Hi HiI don't have a problem running the batteries, it's keeping them charged at a rate that they can handle. We don't often loose power here, but there are those times. I plan to buy a generator, but still like the idea of the batteries. I've had other's say they have just used a regular car battery charger with no problems. I'm just thinking there is no regulation or isolation at all on them. What is the thought on just using a battery charger. Mathew -Original Message- From: Neil McKie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries The method I have prefered over the years is the Motorola Micor repeater TPN1105A/TPN1106A Power Supples that also charge the battery. The radio site near here uses that power supply to run both repeaters and charge the battery as well. Just my opinion. I have the one power supply that is in service and three more for spare parts. A number of years ago, had one site with three 100 watt Micor repeaters ... each repeater had one of the power supplies. The output of the three power supplies were paralleled and charged two Size 8D 'cat batteries.' One day I went to the site on a maintenance schedule and found one side of the radio systems primary power circuit breaker had failed. That caused one of the above power supplies to power all three 100 watt repeaters - for how long? I didn't know. Seems two of the repeaters were plugged into the failed side of the power line / the remaining repeater was on the other side of the power line. BTW, two of the repeaters were public safety / the power supply that was supplying all the power was on the amateur radio repeater. Neil - WA6KLA Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Hey every one, Here is something neat. One of the repeater groups around here took a computer type UPS and took out the lead acid battery and installed two deep cycle marine batteries in parallel and it seems to work fine for them. The repeater has no hum or buzz. Mite be some thing to look into. It sure would be down and dirty cheap. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cook Towers
hmmm, just got a letter from them, doesn't have a website listed but here is the email that was in it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Zastrow wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a Cook Towers web site but coming up blank. Do I have the name right? Do they have a site? Anyone have the URL? Thanks... Doug Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
