[Repeater-Builder] Re: Mitrek lowband PTT questions

2010-09-05 Thread niteviser
Marcus,

You're a disposophobic, look up compulsive hoarder in Wikipedia. Don't refer to 
my 'collection' of radios, that is a genuine hobby and not any specific medical 
or mental condition. Until they come to take me away, Ha Ha..

niteviser

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, x.tait.tech x.tait.t...@... wrote:

 what would it take short of some cash to have one sent to me here in New
 Zealand as a one off key, not that i need one, i am told i am a Hoarder
 
 Marcus
 
 
 
 On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:38 PM, KP3FT kp...@... wrote:
 
 
 
  Hi all,
  Thanks for the previous advice on the Mitrek lockout key; I ordered one off
  Ebay and it worked fine.
  Opened the radio up and everything looks visually OK, all the channel
  elements are there, no burned components, etc.  I read through the
  Repeater-Builder's Mitrek webpages and figured out the pins for hookup.   I
  was wondering if anyone could look over some sections of the Mitrek
  schematichttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/files/Mitrek%20Lowband/
  I posted in the Files section under the folder Mitrek Lowband, regarding
  the PTT circuit.  I circled the areas in question in red and blue.  (I also
  hyperlinked to the various schematic sections in this message).  I just want
  some verification before I start wiring up the radio.  I found another
  website where the author said to jumper pin #1 to pin #25 on the 
  interconnect
  board 
  connectionhttp://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTM_dzohoZJ1M25svBvhmyUk3YStFZKcbHdVjzcHCTQSgFE9U0-wFOU3PHUQL3NIWEGUG1ndFPkhYrLdul9o1/Mitrek%20Lowband/interconnect_board.jpg
   ,
  and then just ground pin #13 of the cable connector (or pin #13 on the front
  of the radio in my case) for PTT operation.  (Pin #24 of the interconnect
  board connector is the same as pin #13 of the cable connector) My questions
  are:
  1.  What does the jumper do and is it beneficial for beacon operation?
  Here is the schematic section
  http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTDg1U9VoZJ1MJmrSx6917ZszwfFtwKxh8c5tPrKp1IiKeb_dd_z6o52LjBRH6eMjcKXGvRCwASnBIgIJ8PUE/Mitrek%20Lowband/mitrek_PTT.jpg
   of
  the PTT circuit.
  2.  I will be using the Mitrek solely as a transmitter beacon, so RX is not
  necessary.  I'll have to disable the antenna 
  relayhttp://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTJ0GE-FoZJ1MoIPDEYBXLqbbFZph6Eymc3u9dFQYPG2vhGbVYg92QCtUhDuNVVr89_tTKgsBysS0H3B3Q5eW/Mitrek%20Lowband/Antenna_Relay.jpg
  because it won't last long during constant beacon operation, plus it isn't
  even needed.  Can I just disable the relay by cutting power to it and wire
  the PA output directly to the antenna jack (two points circled in blue)?
  Or, just keep voltage on the relay so the RX section is always switched out
  and the TX switched in?  Probably easier that way.
  3. The radio has the PL board installed; can I just remove it so it doesn't
  introduce anything into the carrier, or just leave it alone?  I can't tell
  from reading through the various websites and the schematic if the PL-encode
  is enabled automatically or if it needs switching on, in which case I will
  leave it off.
  Thanks for any advice.
  Jeff KP3FT
   
 





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Mitrek lowband PTT questions

2010-09-05 Thread x.tait.tech
yes im a hoarder like you, hehehe i am not afraid to admit it, i love your
collection of OLD junk

LOLOLOLOL

see you in the niiny bin where all the loonies go



On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:30 PM, niteviser nitevi...@yahoo.com.au wrote:



 Marcus,

 You're a disposophobic, look up compulsive hoarder in Wikipedia. Don't
 refer to my 'collection' of radios, that is a genuine hobby and not any
 specific medical or mental condition. Until they come to take me away, Ha
 Ha..

 niteviser


 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com,
 x.tait.tech x.tait.t...@... wrote:
 
  what would it take short of some cash to have one sent to me here in New
  Zealand as a one off key, not that i need one, i am told i am a Hoarder
 
  Marcus
 
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:38 PM, KP3FT kp...@... wrote:
 
  
  
   Hi all,
   Thanks for the previous advice on the Mitrek lockout key; I ordered one
 off
   Ebay and it worked fine.
   Opened the radio up and everything looks visually OK, all the channel
   elements are there, no burned components, etc. I read through the
   Repeater-Builder's Mitrek webpages and figured out the pins for hookup.
 I
   was wondering if anyone could look over some sections of the Mitrek
   schematic
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/files/Mitrek%20Lowband/

   I posted in the Files section under the folder Mitrek Lowband,
 regarding
   the PTT circuit. I circled the areas in question in red and blue. (I
 also
   hyperlinked to the various schematic sections in this message). I just
 want
   some verification before I start wiring up the radio. I found another
   website where the author said to jumper pin #1 to pin #25 on the
 interconnect
   board connection
 http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTM_dzohoZJ1M25svBvhmyUk3YStFZKcbHdVjzcHCTQSgFE9U0-wFOU3PHUQL3NIWEGUG1ndFPkhYrLdul9o1/Mitrek%20Lowband/interconnect_board.jpg
 ,

   and then just ground pin #13 of the cable connector (or pin #13 on the
 front
   of the radio in my case) for PTT operation. (Pin #24 of the
 interconnect
   board connector is the same as pin #13 of the cable connector) My
 questions
   are:
   1. What does the jumper do and is it beneficial for beacon operation?
   Here is the schematic section
   
 http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTDg1U9VoZJ1MJmrSx6917ZszwfFtwKxh8c5tPrKp1IiKeb_dd_z6o52LjBRH6eMjcKXGvRCwASnBIgIJ8PUE/Mitrek%20Lowband/mitrek_PTT.jpg
 of

   the PTT circuit.
   2. I will be using the Mitrek solely as a transmitter beacon, so RX is
 not
   necessary. I'll have to disable the antenna relay
 http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTJ0GE-FoZJ1MoIPDEYBXLqbbFZph6Eymc3u9dFQYPG2vhGbVYg92QCtUhDuNVVr89_tTKgsBysS0H3B3Q5eW/Mitrek%20Lowband/Antenna_Relay.jpg
 

   because it won't last long during constant beacon operation, plus it
 isn't
   even needed. Can I just disable the relay by cutting power to it and
 wire
   the PA output directly to the antenna jack (two points circled in
 blue)?
   Or, just keep voltage on the relay so the RX section is always switched
 out
   and the TX switched in? Probably easier that way.
   3. The radio has the PL board installed; can I just remove it so it
 doesn't
   introduce anything into the carrier, or just leave it alone? I can't
 tell
   from reading through the various websites and the schematic if the
 PL-encode
   is enabled automatically or if it needs switching on, in which case I
 will
   leave it off.
   Thanks for any advice.
   Jeff KP3FT
  
  
 

  



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Mitrek lowband PTT questions

2010-09-05 Thread x.tait.tech
i have no need for your old nappies, dirty underwear, or smelly atrmpit
teeshirts , as these are
Compulsive hoarding (or pathological hoarding or disposophobia or the Messie
mindset) is a mental disorder marked by an obsessive need to acquire (and
failure to use or discard) a significant amount of possessions, even if the
items are worthless, hazardous, or unsanitary. ...

have a loverly sunny day, un hasseled by mothers in law

keep a happy face

Marcus


On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:30 PM, niteviser nitevi...@yahoo.com.au wrote:



 Marcus,

 You're a disposophobic, look up compulsive hoarder in Wikipedia. Don't
 refer to my 'collection' of radios, that is a genuine hobby and not any
 specific medical or mental condition. Until they come to take me away, Ha
 Ha..

 niteviser


 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com,
 x.tait.tech x.tait.t...@... wrote:
 
  what would it take short of some cash to have one sent to me here in New
  Zealand as a one off key, not that i need one, i am told i am a Hoarder
 
  Marcus
 
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:38 PM, KP3FT kp...@... wrote:
 
  
  
   Hi all,
   Thanks for the previous advice on the Mitrek lockout key; I ordered one
 off
   Ebay and it worked fine.
   Opened the radio up and everything looks visually OK, all the channel
   elements are there, no burned components, etc. I read through the
   Repeater-Builder's Mitrek webpages and figured out the pins for hookup.
 I
   was wondering if anyone could look over some sections of the Mitrek
   schematic
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/files/Mitrek%20Lowband/

   I posted in the Files section under the folder Mitrek Lowband,
 regarding
   the PTT circuit. I circled the areas in question in red and blue. (I
 also
   hyperlinked to the various schematic sections in this message). I just
 want
   some verification before I start wiring up the radio. I found another
   website where the author said to jumper pin #1 to pin #25 on the
 interconnect
   board connection
 http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTM_dzohoZJ1M25svBvhmyUk3YStFZKcbHdVjzcHCTQSgFE9U0-wFOU3PHUQL3NIWEGUG1ndFPkhYrLdul9o1/Mitrek%20Lowband/interconnect_board.jpg
 ,

   and then just ground pin #13 of the cable connector (or pin #13 on the
 front
   of the radio in my case) for PTT operation. (Pin #24 of the
 interconnect
   board connector is the same as pin #13 of the cable connector) My
 questions
   are:
   1. What does the jumper do and is it beneficial for beacon operation?
   Here is the schematic section
   
 http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTDg1U9VoZJ1MJmrSx6917ZszwfFtwKxh8c5tPrKp1IiKeb_dd_z6o52LjBRH6eMjcKXGvRCwASnBIgIJ8PUE/Mitrek%20Lowband/mitrek_PTT.jpg
 of

   the PTT circuit.
   2. I will be using the Mitrek solely as a transmitter beacon, so RX is
 not
   necessary. I'll have to disable the antenna relay
 http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wBWDTJ0GE-FoZJ1MoIPDEYBXLqbbFZph6Eymc3u9dFQYPG2vhGbVYg92QCtUhDuNVVr89_tTKgsBysS0H3B3Q5eW/Mitrek%20Lowband/Antenna_Relay.jpg
 

   because it won't last long during constant beacon operation, plus it
 isn't
   even needed. Can I just disable the relay by cutting power to it and
 wire
   the PA output directly to the antenna jack (two points circled in
 blue)?
   Or, just keep voltage on the relay so the RX section is always switched
 out
   and the TX switched in? Probably easier that way.
   3. The radio has the PL board installed; can I just remove it so it
 doesn't
   introduce anything into the carrier, or just leave it alone? I can't
 tell
   from reading through the various websites and the schematic if the
 PL-encode
   is enabled automatically or if it needs switching on, in which case I
 will
   leave it off.
   Thanks for any advice.
   Jeff KP3FT
  
  
 

  



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk

2010-09-05 Thread Eric Lemmon
Tom,

Any statements made on the Caig website regarding a comparison of DeOxit
and Stabilant, could hardly be judged as unbiased.  Legitimate, real-world
comparisons of contact enhancement compounds have already been made, many
times, by Motorola, IBM, Bendix-King, Hewlett-Packard, Tektronix, and other
major manufacturers.  I remember an article in Radio-Electronics Magazine,
some 30 years ago, where the excellent performance of Stabilant was
documented.  Many moons ago, I cured a problem with my Apple II+ using
Stabilant 22- the plug-in expansion and memory cards had a tendency to
walk out of their motherboard sockets and cause intermittent contact.  A
thorough cleaning with an alcohol-soaked Q-Tip, followed by an application
of Stabilant 22A, completely cured the intermittent contact.

Don't be concerned about Stabilant 22 becoming hard; it dries into a waxy
film that remains pliable for years.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TGundo 2003
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 9:27 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk

  

Thanks Lou, Bob, Eric, John and the rest!

I have a bunch of techs around here that all swear by Deox-it as long as its
used sparangily, and Caig seems to hit all concern points in their website
vs.22.

Has anyone had any specific issues directly related to using Deox-it? I want
to do the right thing and will order the 22 if necessary, but not only
because it is what Circle M recommends...maybe Deox-it was not around when
they made the recommendation? From reading the Caig website I think it may
be a better choiceI worry a little about the 22 drying into a rigid
form. What happens over time as the pins heat up and expand/contract,
especially in a non-climate controlled environment?

Tom
W9SRV

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, wa6epd lme...@cox.net wrote:



From: wa6epd lme...@cox.net
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 10:57 PM


Bob, NO6B, wrote:-

This looks like the same stuff:


http://www.micro-tools.com/store/P-22/Stabilant-22-5ml-Kit-Makes-30ml-Of-22
a.aspx

The description of how Stabilant 22 works reads very similar to the
Caig Labs DeOxIt products.  A performance comparison between the 2
products would be interesting.

Bob NO6B


Take a look at:-

http://store.caig.com/s.nl/ctype.KB/it.I/id.1977/KB.215/.f

The do the comparison.

-Lou-  WA6EPD









Yahoo! Groups Links










[Repeater-Builder] Re: Circular polarization for VHF repeaters?

2010-09-05 Thread sbjohnston
WN3A wrote:

That's pretty much correct, but there are many stations that have a 
vertical
component added that isn't necessarily part of a circularly-polarized 
array.

The discussion was about circularly-polarized antenna arrays, so my 
comments were completely correct - not pretty much.  -grin-

In my experience, cross-polarized antenna systems (those with 
simultaneous in-phase vertical and horizontal components) can make 
multipath cancellations worse, not better.   Depends to some degree on 
the nature of the objects causing the reflections, I'm sure, and 
whether or not the two antenna components are fed in a controlled way 
or just excited by being in the field of the main element.

Circular does not have this drawback, as at any given instant it is 
just one polarization.

Steve  WD8DAS







[Repeater-Builder] Motorola 2135 Key (WAS: Mitrek lowband PTT questions)

2010-09-05 Thread Eric Lemmon
Marcus,

If you can't find a 2135 key at a local two-way radio shop or on eBay, you
can still get one from Motorola Parts.  The 2135 key is part number
5500893872, currently about US$ 2.25 each.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of x.tait.tech
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 10:09 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitrek lowband PTT questions

 
what would it take short of some cash to have one sent to me here in New
Zealand as a one off key, not that i need one, i am told i am a Hoarder

Marcus


On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:38 PM, KP3FT kp...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi all,
Thanks for the previous advice on the Mitrek lockout key; I ordered
one off Ebay and it worked fine.

snip
Jeff KP3FT







[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk

2010-09-05 Thread wa6klb

I haven't used Stabilant 22 so cannot speak to it's use, but have been using 
Deoxit for several years.  It has been almost miraculous on many different 
items including Micor pins, squelch/ volume controls, and other items that had 
been contact cleaned many times with little effect.  I am very pleased with it. 
 Jon WA6KLB  
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, w9srv tgundo2...@... wrote:

 Hi Guys!
 
 I am in the middle of rebuilding a receive site for one of the area repeaters 
 and have come across some interesting Pin Gunk. I've been told that 
 Motorola techs years ago used to apply some kind of goo to help with the 
 connection on all the backplane pins, etc, but I don't know if this is what 
 that is. This receive site has been developing some intermittant issues on 
 several fronts, and maybe this explains them. 
 
 The problem with this gunk is that is is non-conductive and a real bugger to 
 clean off. DeOxit seems to work the best. I made this quick video last night 
 showing this on the pins of the power control board. Here is the link to the 
 video:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmWumkQetdY
 
 Has anyone else ever come across this? Are there any other steps other than 
 cleaning it off to ensure it will not be another problem in the future?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Tom
 W9SRV





[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk b

2010-09-05 Thread Ed Hickenbotham
Hi Group, 
 
Before I retired, the two-way shop I worked for 
would get Stabilant 22 from our local NAPA 
store. It came in a kit (cardboard tube) with 
a bottle of Stabilant 22 and swabs. I'm not 
sure if it was diluted or not. The price 10 years 
ago was about $38. We used it on full duplex 
800 MHz Johnson radios on the synthesizer 
shield cover to stop the desense.
Worth every penny, and it cure an ongoing 
problem with the Johnsons before we read 
an article in MRT magazine. 
 
Cheers, Ed
 
Re: Micor Pin Gunk 
Posted by: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net   wb6fly 
Sat Sep 4, 2010 11:13 am (PDT) 


Tom,

Motorola does not now, and never has, recommended DeOxit or any other
contact enhancer gunk besides Stabilant 22. Up until just a few years
ago, Motorola specified Stabilant 22A, under part number 1180369E78, which
is a mixture of pure Stabilant 22 and isopropyl alcohol. Today, Motorola
sells a kit under part number 1180384V93 which comprises a 5 ml bottle of
pure Stabilant 22, an empty 15 ml bottle, and some tiny swabs. The user
then puts 2.5 ml of the Stabilant 22 into the 15 ml bottle and adds 10 ml of
99% isopropanol to make a working solution of Stabilant 22A, or adds 10 ml
of pure ethanol to make a working solution of Stabilant 22E. Either
solution is extremely effective if applied wet to clean connectors
immediately before mating. It is also effective in curing intermittent
contacts in card-edge connectors in PCs and electronic instruments. The
alcohol solvent is essential for the product to work; undiluted Stabilant 22
is ineffective. Drug-store isopropyl alcohol, aka rubbing alcohol, should
not be used since it is diluted with water and will interfere with
Stabilant's action.

The 1180384V93 kit is sold by Motorola Parts for about $47, but is
sufficient to last for years.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


[Repeater-Builder] Re: Interference on VHF repeater

2010-09-05 Thread bridog2010
A year ago I had a low-band VHF interference problem that was caused by a solar 
charge controller. Switching from an MPPT style charge controller to a less 
efficient PWM charge controller cleared up the problem. Might be worth double 
checking by disconnecting the panels since the charge controller can, and did, 
create noise without a load. 

Brian

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, brett brett_daw...@... wrote:

 Thanks - no battery chargers on site as all solar powered.  There are solar 
 charge controllers, though I think I have discounted these.
 
 No fluros either.
 
 All equipment was switched off for a test, so any SMPS should have been off.
 
 Cheers,
 Brett
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, DCFluX dcflux@ wrote:
 
  Look around for a switch mode power supply that uses 600kHz as the
  switch frequency.  SMPS Battery Chargers are popular for causing this.
   Also florescent twist lights are really good for making desense on
  VHF.
 





RE: [Repeater-Builder] Interference on VHF repeater

2010-09-05 Thread David Murman
Had basically the same problem with w GE MASTR II repeater on VHF HI. The
issue was with the repeater transmitter. When the repeater sat quiet for a
while then it was keyed up the transmitter would have many spurs that would
slowly travel up the band. This affected other repeaters that were open
squelch or had the same PL. On the GE MASTR II PA there is a circuit just
after the filter that was the problem. The tech had put a filter on the
transmitter side to help with desense. This caused the network to be
unbalanced and was causing the transmitter to spur. Once the transmitter ran
for a while it cleared.

 

 

David 

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brett
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 6:27 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Interference on VHF repeater

 

  

Hi all,

I have come across an interesting problem which you may be able to shed some
light on. I have an intermod issue where my TX sometimes opens up my RX. I
have the distinctive hollow pipe sound. Both TX and RX have the same CTCSS
tone. The intermod product is however not always present, and after looking
at the RX output from the duplexer with a SA I see a comb of products that
move slowly in time. When one of the products in the comb falls within the
RX bandwidth the RX opens, until it moves on.

This is not a busy site, and I have been able to power down everything on
site except my repeater. Problem remains unchanged.

I have also disconnected feeders from all other RF equipment on site - still
no change. 

The fact that the IM product frequency changes with time (drift rate is
roughly a few kHz's an hour) makes me think that there is either another
unknown source of RF on site which has poor freq stability (pretty
unlikley), or somehow my TX freq is involved in producing this freq. 

I have inserted a 6dB pad in the antenna port of the duplexer and found that
the IM products drop 12dB, and also curiously, the frequency of the products
change. Removing the pad reverses this effect. I have repeated this many
times and the result was always the same. It appears that the frequency of
the IM product is dependent on the strength of the radiated field from my
antenna.

This is my question: I have read that it is possible for a strong EM field
to excite metal (eg tower member) such that re-radiation will occur at a
frequency which is different from that which excited it. Can anyone confirm
they have seen this, or can anyone point me to a reference that talks about
this? 

I should also mention there are multiple solar panels and associated
regulators on site. The regulators have been discounted as possible sources,
but the panels (given they may have bypass/blocking diodes) may be a mixing
location, however the source of the drifting tone is still unclear.

Thanks,

Brett VK2CBD.





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Circular polarization for VHF repeaters?

2010-09-05 Thread no6b
At 9/5/2010 08:23, you wrote:

In my experience, cross-polarized antenna systems (those with
simultaneous in-phase vertical and horizontal components)

Isn't that just diagonal polarization?  You can't have multiple linear 
polarization orientations; that's the whole point of circular polarization.

Bob NO6B



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk

2010-09-05 Thread petedcurtis
FYI;

Many years ago when  I worked for Hewlett Packard in their Test Equipment
division, we used to use a UK contact cleaner called Eletrolube, it was sold
by Radiospares in UK. It was the only spray or drip contact cleaner we could
use on the HP DC Standard as others would cause micro volt calibration
errors due to minute leakages.  In its day it was the Rolls Royce of contact
cleaners. Don't know if its still available. I think they even had a paste
for heavy duty switch contacts.

Peter





On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote:



 Tom,

 Any statements made on the Caig website regarding a comparison of DeOxit
 and Stabilant, could hardly be judged as unbiased. Legitimate, real-world
 comparisons of contact enhancement compounds have already been made, many
 times, by Motorola, IBM, Bendix-King, Hewlett-Packard, Tektronix, and other
 major manufacturers. I remember an article in Radio-Electronics Magazine,
 some 30 years ago, where the excellent performance of Stabilant was
 documented. Many moons ago, I cured a problem with my Apple II+ using
 Stabilant 22- the plug-in expansion and memory cards had a tendency to
 walk out of their motherboard sockets and cause intermittent contact. A
 thorough cleaning with an alcohol-soaked Q-Tip, followed by an application
 of Stabilant 22A, completely cured the intermittent contact.

 Don't be concerned about Stabilant 22 becoming hard; it dries into a waxy
 film that remains pliable for years.


 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of TGundo 2003
 Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 9:27 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk

 Thanks Lou, Bob, Eric, John and the rest!

 I have a bunch of techs around here that all swear by Deox-it as long as
 its
 used sparangily, and Caig seems to hit all concern points in their website
 vs.22.

 Has anyone had any specific issues directly related to using Deox-it? I
 want
 to do the right thing and will order the 22 if necessary, but not only
 because it is what Circle M recommends...maybe Deox-it was not around when
 they made the recommendation? From reading the Caig website I think it may
 be a better choiceI worry a little about the 22 drying into a rigid
 form. What happens over time as the pins heat up and expand/contract,
 especially in a non-climate controlled environment?

 Tom
 W9SRV

 --- On Sat, 9/4/10, wa6epd lme...@cox.net lmeiss%40cox.net wrote:

 From: wa6epd lme...@cox.net lmeiss%40cox.net
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 10:57 PM


 Bob, NO6B, wrote:-

 This looks like the same stuff:


 
 http://www.micro-tools.com/store/P-22/Stabilant-22-5ml-Kit-Makes-30ml-Of-22
 a.aspx

 The description of how Stabilant 22 works reads very similar to the
 Caig Labs DeOxIt products. A performance comparison between the 2
 products would be interesting.

 Bob NO6B


 Take a look at:-

 http://store.caig.com/s.nl/ctype.KB/it.I/id.1977/KB.215/.f

 The do the comparison.

 -Lou- WA6EPD





 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for CTCSS Tone board for MSR 2000 VHF Repeater

2010-09-05 Thread George Henry
All of the MSR2000 audio and control modules are the same, regardless of 
band.  Only the RF modules differ.


George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413



- Original Message - 
From: A E atms...@yahoo.com
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 2:21 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for CTCSS Tone board for MSR 2000 VHF 
Repeater


Where would I look to find a CTCSS Tone Board for an ex RCMP VHF repeater 
system that has been converted to the amateur bands?

Are the UHF CTCSS boards compatible ?

Thanks in advance
Aaron
KE5KAF




[Repeater-Builder] Re: wouxun

2010-09-05 Thread Geert Jan de Groot
 Since you have both, can you shed some light on the differences between the 
 KG-UVD1P  KG-UVD2D?

I have been on contact with Ed Griffin from wouxun.us. He actually
does respond to email questions. When I asked him something similar,
he explained:

 First there was the KG-UVD1, in which 1750 Hz call tone was weak.  
 Then there was the KG-UVD1P (first generation) which had short DTMF tones.  
 Then there was the KG-UVD1P (second generation) which had the 
 longer DTMF tones and continues to be in production.  

The KG-UVD2 is the same as the 2nd generation KG-UVD1P, just the
case is slightly different. Chargers, battaries, microphones
are exchangable.

I measured a first-generation 1P and a 2.

One of the radios has serial J06-6587. J means 2010, 06 means June.

There are a few wouxun groups on yahoogroups on which there's a lot
of activity.

Geert Jan



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Pin Gunk

2010-09-05 Thread Gordon Cooper
  If you are using Isopropyl alcohol as a 'thinner', be careful where
you use it.  We had significant problems with softening of the capstan
drive pinch wheels in a well known make of broadcast video recorders
when they had been accidentally splashed with Iso'.

Gordon  ZL1KL


[Repeater-Builder] Unidentified part in msf5000 vhf station

2010-09-05 Thread wb5oxq
I just aquired a second msf5000 to make a 2 meter repeater our of and it has a 
part not present in the first station.  I suspect it could be a rx preamp due 
to the fact it has coax input and output and it is wired in series between the 
duplexer rx port and the receiver rf input.
It appears to be an aluminum block rack mounted just below the power supply and 
is about 1.5 thick and about 8 or 9 inches wide.  I did not see any electrical 
connections so if it is a preamp it must get power from the coax into the 
receiver.  I am not familiar with this device.  My other station did not have 
this part.  Perhapps it is sopme kind of filter?   Both stations are the 
digital capable models which I program with the rib and old laptop.  Any ideas 
please!  Pictures on request if needed.




[Repeater-Builder] duplexers 2 meter

2010-09-05 Thread ASRI ZAHARI
hi my friends

where to get the duplexes 2meter and how much

9w2yii...73

tq



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unidentified part in msf5000 vhf station

2010-09-05 Thread Mike Morris
At 08:10 PM 09/05/10, you wrote:
I just aquired a second msf5000 to make a 2 meter repeater our of 
and it has a part not present in the first station.  I suspect it 
could be a rx preamp due to the fact it has coax input and output 
and it is wired in series between the duplexer rx port and the 
receiver rf input.
It appears to be an aluminum block rack mounted just below the power 
supply and is about 1.5 thick and about 8 or 9 inches wide.  I did 
not see any electrical connections so if it is a preamp it must get 
power from the coax into the receiver.  I am not familiar with this 
device.  My other station did not have this part.  Perhapps it is 
sopme kind of filter?   Both stations are the digital capable models 
which I program with the rib and old laptop.  Any ideas 
please!  Pictures on request if needed.

Is there a Moto part number on it?
Either a multi-digit, something like 01V12345A01, or
one with three letters and 4 digits, something like TLD,
possibly with a trailing letter?

Mike