Re: [Repoze-dev] BFG and semi-structured databases (a rant)

2010-05-06 Thread Luciano Ramalho
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > On 2 May 2010 22:03, Luciano Ramalho wrote: > >> In these, we don't store serialized objects, but just the data to >> reconstruct the objects. But the data is not completely dismembered in >> some normalized form. >> In a semi-structured data

Re: [Repoze-dev] BFG and semi-structured databases (a rant)

2010-05-04 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 04.05.2010, 23:45 Uhr, schrieb Laurence Rowe : > It's worth noting that many RDBMS's do now support recursive queries > of some kind (Postgres introduced them in 8.4), though it's not yet > ubiquitous. Windowing functions and their ilk might well reinvigorate the RDBMS world. They should by

Re: [Repoze-dev] BFG and semi-structured databases (a rant)

2010-05-04 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 4 May 2010 18:46, Charlie Clark wrote: > Am 04.05.2010, 19:20 Uhr, schrieb Laurence Rowe : > >> I suspect that databases such as CouchDB and the others you mention >> are not well suited to graph traversal. Efficient traversal must occur >> near the data, otherwise you pay the latency cost on e

Re: [Repoze-dev] BFG and semi-structured databases (a rant)

2010-05-04 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 04.05.2010, 19:20 Uhr, schrieb Laurence Rowe : > I suspect that databases such as CouchDB and the others you mention > are not well suited to graph traversal. Efficient traversal must occur > near the data, otherwise you pay the latency cost on each edge > traversed. In ZODB this is achieved th

Re: [Repoze-dev] BFG and semi-structured databases (a rant)

2010-05-04 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 2 May 2010 22:03, Luciano Ramalho wrote: > In these, we don't store serialized objects, but just the data to > reconstruct the objects. But the data is not completely dismembered in > some normalized form. > In a semi-structured database the data graph can follow very closely > the original ob

Re: [Repoze-dev] BFG and semi-structured databases (a rant)

2010-05-03 Thread Chris McDonough
Hi Luciano, On Sun, 2010-05-02 at 18:03 -0300, Luciano Ramalho wrote: > BACKGROUND > > I was attracted to Zope in 1998 because it freed us from the > clumsiness of the first normal form. > > Many in the Zope community can also boast membership of the NoSQL "old-guard". > > The ZODB is great, b