Re: Duplicating volumes

[Thomas Schierle]

On 00-07-06 16:36 +0200, "Garret J. Cleversley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I tried to use the duplicate volume command but it won't duplicate a volume
> on the same machine??  I have two drives in my servers and planned on just
> using the duplicate command but retrospect won't allow it. Is there another
> way or am I looking to another program?

Garret, 

if your servers are ASIP, you might give Mac OS Server Admin's built-in
duplicate command a try.

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Re: Duplicating volumes

[Jim Coefield]

Garrett,

I had the same dilemma, and came up with some reasonable solutions 
(if you have adequate drive space elsewhere on your network). Beauty 
of this, is you have two duplicates. I'm assuming that the servers 
you are referring to aren't your Retrospect server machine--that you 
are using Retro on one machine to do the backups on separate server 
machines.

Goes like this:

Solution 1)
Set up two duplicate scripts. The first one will mirror your main 
server drive to a second machine (a subvolume on that second 
machine's hard drive works fine). Set this script to go off first.

Then create a second script to duplicate the subvolume on the second 
machine to duplicate back to the second drive on the server. Make 
sure the time for the second script is set to go off after the first 
script.

Solution 2)
If you have two servers with two drives in each, you also could 
duplicate one server's main drive to the second drive on the second 
server, and vice versa for the second machine.

Solution 3)
Alternatively, you can put the second drives on another machine, and 
just run a duplicate script from your server to it's new location. 
Then when/if you need the drive, if your main server drive fails or 
crashes (or you have some other hardware failure), you can just 
re-hook it up to your main server and away you go, or use the second 
machine as a backup server while you rebuild your main server's 
drive, or replace it if it's failed. This also has the advantage of 
only hitting your main server once for a duplicate.

Be forwarned that file sharing privileges will not be maintained 
during duplicates, as the permissions are always relative to the root 
of a certain drive (in this case your main drive)--I don't believe 
that even naming the drives the same thing will maintain those 
privileges. I have replaced drives on computers, and named them the 
same thing as they originally were, and then restored the drive via 
Retrospect, and when I run a regular backup script to tape, I always 
have to go back and forget the old drive, and add the new one to the 
script. I believe that Retrospect looks deeper into the drives 
identity than just it's name and the computer it is on to recognize 
it on a network (is this right Dantz?).

So if you are using Apple's Users & Groups with file sharing for, say 
NetPresenz ftp to use with a web server, then you're out of luck, and 
will have to reset those permissions manually. Found out this the 
hard way. Now, if someone else has found a good way to maintain those 
file sharing privileges during duplicates, I'd love to know! :-).

And yes I know that running AppleTalk and file sharing on a server is 
not a good thing (if you have OS 9 you can use TCP/IP file sharing 
and turn AppleTalk off), but until I either upgrade to another ftp 
server that doesn't use file sharing, or upgrade WebStar to v4.x 
which has a decent ftp server built in, I'm stuck with NetPresenz to 
allow access to my servers. And I like NetPresenz--wish that 
Stairways Software would have continued developing it!

Jim Coefield
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>Subject: Duplicating volumes
>From: "Garret J. Cleversley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:36:30 -0400
>
>I tried to use the duplicate volume command but it won't duplicate a volume
>on the same machine??  I have two drives in my servers and planned on just
>using the duplicate command but retrospect won't allow it. Is there another
>way or am I looking to another program?
>
>G



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Re: Duplicating volumes

[Julia Frizzell]

>I tried to use the duplicate volume command but it won't duplicate a volume
>on the same machine??  I have two drives in my servers and planned on just
>using the duplicate command but retrospect won't allow it. Is there another
>way or am I looking to another program?

Are you trying to clone a computer using Retrospect?

If so, I'd suggest an alternative. You can use Apple's Apple Software 
Restore program to do the same thing. Contact me off-list for more 
info.

I went to an Apple seminar on this (for higher ed, but probably 
useful to more folks that just that) and it seems to work pretty well.

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RE: Duplicating volumes

[Craig Isaacs]

> Here's the stress then.. I need a copy of retrospect for each machine then
> right. Who's got that much scratch. plus I prefer to not have retrospect
> running on any of my servers (putting the client on there hurt). so hmmm
> looks like I'll still do it manually. Or maybe set-up an applescript
> (that'll take some research).

Retrospect Express is ~$49. Even I have that much scratch. ;-)

Craig



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Re: Duplicating volumes

[Garret J. Cleversley]

Here's the stress then.. I need a copy of retrospect for each machine then
right. Who's got that much scratch. plus I prefer to not have retrospect
running on any of my servers (putting the client on there hurt). so hmmm
looks like I'll still do it manually. Or maybe set-up an applescript
(that'll take some research).

Thanx guys... back to square one

G
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> From: Matthew Tevenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:51:41 -0700
> To: retro-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Duplicating volumes
> 
> Garret,
> 
> Retrospect will not duplicate files to and from volumes that reside on the
> same client. To do that, install a copy of Retrospect or Retrospect Express
> locally and do the duplicate that way. That would be faster than anything
> Retrospect would do over the network via the client anyway.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthew Tevenan
> Technical Support Specialist
> Dantz Development Corporation
> 925.253.3050 
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>> From: "Garret J. Cleversley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:36:30 -0400
>> To: retrospect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Duplicating volumes
>> 
>> I tried to use the duplicate volume command but it won't duplicate a volume
>> on the same machine??  I have two drives in my servers and planned on just
>> using the duplicate command but retrospect won't allow it. Is there another
>> way or am I looking to another program?
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> 
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>> 716-822-2212
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Re: Duplicating volumes

[Don Foy]

on 6/7/00 9:36 AM, Garret J. Cleversley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I tried to use the duplicate volume command but it won't duplicate a volume
> on the same machine??  I have two drives in my servers and planned on just
> using the duplicate command but retrospect won't allow it. Is there another
> way or am I looking to another program?


I do this all the time, in fact, just last weekend when a drive began
failing. Just plugged a new one in and duplicated from several volumes to
folders on another volume.

Just exactly how are you going about it?
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Re: Duplicating volumes

[Matthew Tevenan]

Garret,

Retrospect will not duplicate files to and from volumes that reside on the
same client. To do that, install a copy of Retrospect or Retrospect Express
locally and do the duplicate that way. That would be faster than anything
Retrospect would do over the network via the client anyway.

Regards,

Matthew Tevenan
Technical Support Specialist
Dantz Development Corporation
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> From: "Garret J. Cleversley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:36:30 -0400
> To: retrospect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Duplicating volumes
> 
> I tried to use the duplicate volume command but it won't duplicate a volume
> on the same machine??  I have two drives in my servers and planned on just
> using the duplicate command but retrospect won't allow it. Is there another
> way or am I looking to another program?
> 
> G
> 
> 
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> Vice President/General Manager
> Center Page, Inc.
> 716-822-2212
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