RE: Solstice

[Thone, Bradley A (Sbcsi)]

I'll second that emotion.

It is darn near a *daily* battle to keep my BackupExec backups running on my
NT servers. From BackupExec hanging to it not liking the tapes I just erased
for the night's round of backups, it's a pain.

Retrospect is a little better. I created the scripts a long time ago. I
erase the tapes each day before the night's backup. The servers (B&W
G3-450's) have run without a restart for weeks and months. I rebooted them
last week just because it's a good idea. Retrospect requires no
hand-holding. Just plug and go play.

Brad.

-Original Message-
From: Welch, John C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 7:52 AM
To: retro-talk
Subject: Re: Solstice


That's what I was talking about perfectly. We use legato for our Unix
backups, but it just blew on windows and the Macs. The unique thing about
Dantz, is that a lot of the folks their view *restoring* as Retrospect's
biggest priority. This makes sense, as if the restores are untenable, or
unreliable, what good is backing up? So a lot of the 'lack' of features in
Retrospect are due to this focus on restoration. Considering the garbage
that restoring requires with other products, I think Dantz has the right
idea.

john

> From: Pam Lefkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:58:22 -0600
> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Solstice
> 
>> the best way is to do a test with a test Mac running the legato client.
Do a
>> *complete* full backup, then wipe the drive and see how long it takes to
>> restore it. I'm willing to bet that any glaring weaknesses in Legato will
>> pop up wicked fast
>> 
>> john
> 
> It isn't the speed at which the restore on the client is performed but,
> instead, the accuracy with which it is done. When you do the Legato
> equivalent of a "restore entire disk", will Legato put everything back in
> its rightful place and leave the client as if nothing had happened? Will
> the restore leave the user feeling like she's sitting down at her machine
> and can start working right away or will she feel that she has to first
> install and configure everything before being able to work? I'd be
> willing to sacrifice some speed so long as accuracy and security and
> reliability are there.
> 
> I've not used Legato so I can't speak to what its detailed functions are,
> but another good test would be to put a Legato client on a portable and
> then remove the portable from the network for a day or two. See how well
> Legato handles the portable's unattended backup **without user or
> administrative intervention** as it reattaches to the network the next
> day. 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Pam
> 
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Re: Solstice

[Welch, John C.]

That's what I was talking about perfectly. We use legato for our Unix
backups, but it just blew on windows and the Macs. The unique thing about
Dantz, is that a lot of the folks their view *restoring* as Retrospect's
biggest priority. This makes sense, as if the restores are untenable, or
unreliable, what good is backing up? So a lot of the 'lack' of features in
Retrospect are due to this focus on restoration. Considering the garbage
that restoring requires with other products, I think Dantz has the right
idea.

john

> From: Pam Lefkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:58:22 -0600
> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Solstice
> 
>> the best way is to do a test with a test Mac running the legato client. Do a
>> *complete* full backup, then wipe the drive and see how long it takes to
>> restore it. I'm willing to bet that any glaring weaknesses in Legato will
>> pop up wicked fast
>> 
>> john
> 
> It isn't the speed at which the restore on the client is performed but,
> instead, the accuracy with which it is done. When you do the Legato
> equivalent of a "restore entire disk", will Legato put everything back in
> its rightful place and leave the client as if nothing had happened? Will
> the restore leave the user feeling like she's sitting down at her machine
> and can start working right away or will she feel that she has to first
> install and configure everything before being able to work? I'd be
> willing to sacrifice some speed so long as accuracy and security and
> reliability are there.
> 
> I've not used Legato so I can't speak to what its detailed functions are,
> but another good test would be to put a Legato client on a portable and
> then remove the portable from the network for a day or two. See how well
> Legato handles the portable's unattended backup **without user or
> administrative intervention** as it reattaches to the network the next
> day. 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Pam
> 
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Re: Solstice

[Pam Lefkowitz]

>the best way is to do a test with a test Mac running the legato client. Do a
>*complete* full backup, then wipe the drive and see how long it takes to
>restore it. I'm willing to bet that any glaring weaknesses in Legato will
>pop up wicked fast
>
>john

It isn't the speed at which the restore on the client is performed but, 
instead, the accuracy with which it is done. When you do the Legato 
equivalent of a "restore entire disk", will Legato put everything back in 
its rightful place and leave the client as if nothing had happened? Will 
the restore leave the user feeling like she's sitting down at her machine 
and can start working right away or will she feel that she has to first 
install and configure everything before being able to work? I'd be 
willing to sacrifice some speed so long as accuracy and security and 
reliability are there.

I've not used Legato so I can't speak to what its detailed functions are, 
but another good test would be to put a Legato client on a portable and 
then remove the portable from the network for a day or two. See how well 
Legato handles the portable's unattended backup **without user or 
administrative intervention** as it reattaches to the network the next 
day. 

Hope this helps,

Pam


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RE: Solstice

[Craig Isaacs]

> Has anyone had any experience on how well Sun's Solstice/Legato
> systems backup solution works on the Mac.
>
> It claims it supports up to Mac OS 8.5.  Our sys admin is looking at
> trashing retrospect and switching over to Solstice adn I need to
> know how that is going to affect our Macs.
>
> Any fodder I can use to keep retrospect would be appreciated.

I may be biased but I don't know of anyone who has successfully restored a
Macintosh from a Legato backup that's been running for more than a few days.

Craig



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Re: Solstice

[Andrew Philipoff]

>Has anyone had any experience on how well Sun's Solstice/Legato 
>systems backup solution works on the Mac.
>
>It claims it supports up to Mac OS 8.5.  Our sys admin is looking at 
>trashing retrospect and switching over to Solstice adn I need to 
>know how that is going to affect our Macs.
>
>Any fodder I can use to keep retrospect would be appreciated.

We use Legato Networker to backup our Solaris workstations and use 
Retrospect to backup our Macs and PCs. I administer both systems, so 
I know what it is really like to use both. Both have distinct 
strengths and weaknesses, but in my humble opinion I favor Retrospect 
for desktop systems.

A year ago we gave up using Networker to backup the Macs because the 
client software was, at best, an afterthought. The backups so 
consumed the processor that it rendered the Macs useless if you tried 
to back up during the day and quite often could not complete the back 
up at night due to various reasons.

Networker:
Pros: UNIX based, can handle multiple streams, extremely customizable 
and flexible, client can initiate file recover sessions

Cons: Steep learning curve, poor support for Mac OS, expensive, tech 
support slow to respond, difficult to configure, no easy way to 
backup laptops

Retrospect:
Pros: Mac OS and Windows well supported, easy to configure and 
maintain, relatively inexpensive

Cons: No multiple streaming capabilities, no remote administration, 
no client side recovery capabilities

Overall we are very satisfied with Retrospect as a backup solution 
for desktop systems. Unless Legato has completely changed its 
attitude towards the Mac OS, I would advise you stay with Retrospect. 
I can understand your sysadmins position, it would be great for one 
solution for all platforms. Are you listening Dantz!

Andrew Philipoff
Computer Resource Specialist
Magnetic Resonance Science Center
University of California, San Francisco
415-476-1709
415-476-8809 fax
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Re: Solstice

[Welch, John C.]

the best way is to do a test with a test Mac running the legato client. Do a
*complete* full backup, then wipe the drive and see how long it takes to
restore it. I'm willing to bet that any glaring weaknesses in Legato will
pop up wicked fast

john

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> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:58:09 -0500
> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Solstice
> 
> Has anyone had any experience on how well Sun's Solstice/Legato systems backup
> solution works on the Mac.
> 
> It claims it supports up to Mac OS 8.5.  Our sys admin is looking at trashing
> retrospect and switching over to Solstice adn I need to know how that is going
> to affect our Macs.
> 
> Any fodder I can use to keep retrospect would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thanks
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