Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)
On 08/30/2012 08:05 PM, Al Thompson wrote: > On 08/31/2012 01:06 AM, david wrote: >> On 08/30/2012 03:11 PM, Al Thompson wrote: >>> http://www.hippityshop.com/blog/ikhkjskl.php?jhgb=jhgb >> This looks like virus spam, friends! >> > > I saw that when I got home. The really odd thing about this is that > came it from an OLD email address of mine that was supposedly shut off > about 2 years ago. I verified at the time my new service was set up > that the *@sbcglobal.net account was dead, and I couldn't log on. Email > sent to it at that time bounced. > > My home computer was turned off tonight until I got home, and nobody was > home. Maybe the @sbcglobal.net server responsible for SENDING mail still thinks your old ID is valid? So when someone tries to send mail through it using your old ID, it goes? -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)
On 08/31/2012 01:06 AM, david wrote: > On 08/30/2012 03:11 PM, Al Thompson wrote: >> http://www.hippityshop.com/blog/ikhkjskl.php?jhgb=jhgb > This looks like virus spam, friends! > I saw that when I got home. The really odd thing about this is that came it from an OLD email address of mine that was supposedly shut off about 2 years ago. I verified at the time my new service was set up that the *@sbcglobal.net account was dead, and I couldn't log on. Email sent to it at that time bounced. My home computer was turned off tonight until I got home, and nobody was home. -- --- My bands, CD projects, music, news, and pictures: http://www.lateralforce.com My blog, with commentary on a variety of things, including audio, mixing, equipment, etc, is at: http://audioandmore.wordpress.com Staat heißt das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt lügt es auch; und diese Lüge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.' - [Friedrich Nietzsche] -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)
On 08/30/2012 03:11 PM, Al Thompson wrote: > http://www.hippityshop.com/blog/ikhkjskl.php?jhgb=jhgb This looks like virus spam, friends! -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, jimmy wrote: > > > --- On Wed, 8/29/12, John wrote: > > > I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, > > but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer > > to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs > > work. > Perhaps you shouldn't even bother with Linux at all, pay for Windows, > or OSX apps for everything you want to use, Rosegarden, Lilypond > probably can't be compare to the well polished professional apps out > there. Yes, they are shiny and want to sell you "creativity". You push a button and a guitarist plays his licks, you push another button and a drummer creates a drum fill automagically. But don't ever think that ... - there are no problems. Windows users fight with latencies and limitations as well, only in another way. - they make your songs better. I know people who play with this shiny stuff but never get any song finished. It's a big difference freaking out about perfect piano- or drumset-samples or an even-still-better reverb and putting this all together to a piece of own music. Yes, I am angry when rosegarden crashes or doesn't allow me to put the whole track 19 milliseconds to the front, or that the LADSPA plugins' gui doesn't reflect the knobs' settings. But this doesn't stop me making music. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:36:26 -0400 > John wrote: >> >> I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs work. >> I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. >> >> John > > Well, I totally disagree with this. My DAW was installed about 4 years ago, > apart from the occasional security update it has remained unchanged. Although, > yes, I occasionally update Rosegarden from SVN and also Yoshimi, neither of > which it particularly difficult. > Hey, I just recently upgraded my STG2 (Studio to Go, 2) box from: ALSA 1.0.14rc3 jackd 0.102.20fervent-1 qjackctl 0.2.21-1 HDSPMixer 1.6 to: ALSA 1.0.25 jackd 0.121.3 qjackctl 0.3.2 HDSPMixer 1.11 with the assistance of Patrick Shirkey of Boost Hardware. It has resulted in faster smoother performance with an updated modern interface, and most importantly - NetJack! With netjack the updated HDSP interface can be used for recording and monitoring over a network. This permits me to use a backend "mini-supercomputing" cluster for synthesis and AI tasks. Only with Linux can you do these kind of things - no wonder all the big movie studios are Linux shops. Oh, and there is nothing wrong with paying for Linux upgrades and support. In fact, one's money goes alot further because you only pay for what you need newly developed - and the entire community gains to build on that again. Serious media developers use Linux - everything else is "toy town" Regards, Rich Marschall http://www.hydrophones.com/MAI-Audio -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, John wrote: > I wonder how few Linux users are aware of the > restrictions imposed on the use of open source soft > ware. Legal restrictions as well as moral > restrictions. So what are you objects to which Open Source license(s)? There are quite a few, but mainly only two major classes of Open Source licenses. As an "end user", there's very little or virtually no restriction. As a developer, or modifier of software, sure there are legal terms to those licenses, mostly to prevent unscrupulous people. Many people try to take Open Source software, and try to claim it's their own work. Those are the people who object to Open Source licenses. I have no problems with making changes to Open Source software and give back those changes to the Open Source community. I have read and understand the many Open Source licenses and have no problem with them. I do notice and observe those licenses. I see them as reasonable terms for my usage. I prefer those terms over restrictions in commercial software licenses any day. If you don't like it you don't have to use it. Many open source projects also have parallel commercial/proprietary licenses for a fee, too. > Computers are tools, and good craftsmen choose the best > tools to do the job. Only amateurs try to get by with > inferior tools and spend unreasonable time to keep them > sharp and working. > > John Do you even know why Open Source softwares were created? It's because the "pro softwares" just can't cut it. Or those softwares required such horrendous customization with so many limitation that do-it-yourself people decide that it's much simpler and easier not having to deal with such "self proclaimed pro's" Jimmy -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
--- On Thu, 8/30/12, Chris Cannam wrote: > From: Chris Cannam > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak... > To: "jimmy" > Cc: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012, 1:53 PM > On 30 August 2012 18:47, jimmy > wrote: > > But the ignorant people always think because they pay > for something they must have something worth-while, > especially the more expensive stuff. But hey, its > their money. There's one born every minute. > > Nope, that's not right. There are perfectly sound (economic) > reasons > why paying for software should often get you software that > works > better for your needs. John is quite right. Sure there are always things that make economical sense. Too bad, I ran into too many woo's and wow's of the "self proclaim ads", and "fake reviews" about software applications, and OS's. All B.S.!!! Software and even some hardware patents are now economic weapons. Same as patents used in pharma industry, and genetically modified seeds in farming. Talking about economic sense, economic development strategies are a a big farce, too. The burst of the dot-com bubble cause economy to slow down, so they lowered interest rates to encourage borrowing, leading to real-estate bubble, so they fake a recovery with trillions of dollars propping up the failed banks. Mean while the people are facing horrendous fees and interest rates by credit cards, being entices into buying on credits. Spend, spend money you don't have to help propping up the economy. Look at what Oracle was trying to do with various Open Source projects after they took over Sun. They tried to butcher, or screw up those projects big time. Many software companies have done similar things to try to snuff out the competition including buying out competing products, or companies and then shelved those projects or products. I don't care to deal with those people. That's why I prefer Open Source, forking is always a viable option here, not so for proprietary software. Jimmy -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 30 August 2012 18:47, jimmy wrote: > But the ignorant people always think because they pay for something they must > have something worth-while, especially the more expensive stuff. But hey, > its their money. There's one born every minute. Nope, that's not right. There are perfectly sound (economic) reasons why paying for software should often get you software that works better for your needs. John is quite right. Equally, there are reasons for the opposite. The money involved might be a really big deal for you, and the thought of _having to make the right choice_ that spending money entails might be an even bigger one. Emma Coats, a former Pixar story artist who has had some publicity recently for her series of snippets about how to make characterisation work in stories, also posted a series of links to free-software programs for animation and storyboarding, along these lines: https://twitter.com/lawnrocket/status/239097181460643841 I think this line of thought is a sound one, and it isn't even an angle I'd thought much about before. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 30 August 2012 13:27, Richard Bown wrote: > Ok, this is your fault. Glad of it -- it's good! Other than that it seems to be about computers. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 08/30/2012 11:52 AM, S. Christian Collins wrote: > FWIW, I have been using Thunderbird for years as my e-mail client of > choice, and it has never let me down. I've got seven e-mail accounts > coming into it, using Lightning for my calendar (synced up with multiple > Google calendars). I've got tons of stored e-mails all the way back to > 1999 and all of this running off of an encrypted flash drive so I can > move it between my PC and my laptop. Thunderbird may look kinda ugly in > KDE compared to Kmail, but it's all about the functionality for me. I hate to waste bandwidth and mindshare but... I agree with Mr. Collins. I've been using "Thunderbird" (and whatever its predecessors were called) since 1998 (one up ;) and it's always been able to keep up with my old e-mail archives and ... I save everything but spam. Ugly? Maybe. But I'm always distraught when I use other e-mail clients that seem to want to "simplify" my life too much. just sayin' I wish I had more time to use Rosegarden, but it's a great app for a musical amateur such as myself. -- Michael N. Moran (h) 770 516 7918 5009 Old Field Ct. (c) 678 521 5460 Kennesaw, GA, USA 30144http://mnmoran.org "So often times it happens, that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key." "Already Gone" by Jack Tempchin (recorded by The Eagles) The Beatles were wrong: 1 & 1 & 1 is 1 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: > On 08/29/2012 08:06 PM, jimmy wrote: > > Rosegarden, Lilypond probably can't be compare to the > well polished > > professional apps out there. > The hell of it is that I was at a point a few years ago when > I was more > than willing to shell out some cash for Finale or Sibelius > or something, > something professional, something real. I did some > experiments with > Rosegarden vs. Everything Else, including MusE Score and a > few other > random things. > > What sucks is that Rosegarden won hands down for taking some > random MIDI > file and generating something approaching usable notation > from it. > Hands down. None of the rest of them could remotely > compare, and they > all made a complete ruin of my test. > > If it hadn't been for that, I'd have been free of this thing > years ago. > Unfortunately, that's something I actually do (or did, when > I still had > free time for music) with considerable frequency, and > something > Rosegarden does particularly well. > > It sucks. Continuing to slog it out with this thing > really isn't all > that pointless, it turns out. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > That's why I stopped to even bother checking out proprietary OS'es, or apps along with their bonus "toys", a.k.a McDonnald style spywares, virus, trojans... The more you use, the more "toys" you collect on your computers. But the ignorant people always think because they pay for something they must have something worth-while, especially the more expensive stuff. But hey, its their money. There's one born every minute. Jimmy -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:25:36 -0400 John wrote: > I wonder how few Linux users are aware of the restrictions imposed on the > use of open source soft ware. Legal restrictions as well as moral > restrictions. > Then there is the ever occurring bragging of the "long uptime". If you use > your computer for simple re- occurring tasks and nothing else, it does not > matter what operating system or what distro you use, you will experience a > long up time. > Computers are tools, and good craftsmen choose the best tools to do the job. > Only amateurs try to get by with inferior tools and spend unreasonable time > to keep them sharp and working. > > John Please let me know of these legal and moral restrictions. I am not aware of any. I don't know about long uptimes. I switch off after every session - why waste money on powering an unused system. Also, I rather like the fact that my computers are actually ready for use within a minute of switch-on. I agree about using the best tools for the job, that's why I use Rosegarden and (mostly) Yoshimi on a debian based installation. P.S. Absolutely everything on my website has been produced with linux, and guess what, my ISP has the same idea. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
FWIW, I have been using Thunderbird for years as my e-mail client of choice, and it has never let me down. I've got seven e-mail accounts coming into it, using Lightning for my calendar (synced up with multiple Google calendars). I've got tons of stored e-mails all the way back to 1999 and all of this running off of an encrypted flash drive so I can move it between my PC and my laptop. Thunderbird may look kinda ugly in KDE compared to Kmail, but it's all about the functionality for me. -~Chris On 08/30/2012 06:39 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 08/29/2012 05:14 PM, Chris Cannam wrote: >> I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so much >> to do with temperament and perspective. > Indeed. Rosegarden is a perfect example. If I could go spend, say, > $500 once for something that did everything Rosegarden wants to do, and > behaved in a pretty similar way all around, then I probably would have > parted with that cash years ago. The problem is you can spend a lot > more than $500 for two or three different applications that don't even > communicate with each other, don't share data amongst themselves, etc. > Not only do you not get the Rosegarden that works that you pay for, you > don't pay for it once. Oh no no. > > I was still using a version of Cakewalk that only understood 8.3 > filenames all the way to 2001. I paid for it once in 1993 or something, > and I was damn well going to keep using it forever. > > That's the great thing about FOSS. Free updates for life. You don't > pay once, you don't pay ever, and the updates just keep flowing. > > The crappy thing about FOSS is that that old version from 10 years ago > that worked perfectly will no longer compile on a modern system. Just > look at all the hell we went through keeping Rosegarden alive through > the Qt 4 nightmare. This means that whether you do it today or next > month or a couple of years from now, sooner or later you're going to > have to upgrade your entire system from top to bottom. > > When you do, you may break half the world. Or at least break the most > important application you use every day. > > When that happens, there's just no good answer. Can I pay money for a > KMail that actually works, and doesn't break the continuity of 11 years > of the same ~/Mail folder? Apparently not. Whether I pay money or not, > I'm still just shit out of luck on that front. Thanks, KMail developers, > for completely destroying an application I've been using at least a > dozen times a day for 11 years. Even though I'm a developer and I well > understand how hard this whole game is, I'm more than half tempted to go > create a KDE bugs account for the sole purpose of extending them a big > fuck you. > > It wouldn't be productive at all, or fair, but it might be cathartic. > > Bitter? Not me. No, never. > > We'll see how Thunderbird fares. I have deep concerns that this message > is going to come out in HTML. If so, I apologize. I'll figure it out > in due course. It looks like this is my KMail replacement, and it's a > huge improvement so far, because I can actually click on a message and > read it any time I want. Plus, it's not webmail. I detest webmail. > > /rant -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 08/30/2012 07:27 AM, Richard Bown wrote: > On 30 Aug 2012, at 09:13, Chris Cannam wrote: >> There's just no poetry in you. > Ok, this is your fault. > > http://masticate.com/2012/08/30/ode-to-a-preemptive-multitasking-kernel/ YES That was awesome. Now we just need a haiku about Haiku ;) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
Thanks Ahmet. This prompts me to write as an appreciative user. It is so much easier to write about what is irritating than what is pleasing, but what is pleasing is worth as much ink. I am solidly on the recipient end of the spectrum. I am a mechanical engineer with as little knowledge of coding as I can get away with. So I can't even say that I feel guilty for not contributing expertise, I have none to offer. But I do use Rosegarden in my work. It is an valuable tool for what I do. I made as big a $$ contribution to the project as I have made to any FOSS project and I still spent a fraction of what a commercial program would have cost. I spent a year waffling back and forth between Rosegarden and Cakewalk before figuring out how to do everything I wanted on RG and giving up on Cakewalk. If RG had cost $500 I would never have had that year to tinker with it before committing to it, the 30 day trial would have expired and I would be left needing to spend a lot of money on a program I was not yet certain about. This is a side issue to the whole OS debate (I use XFCE on Ubuntu Studio. It works well and I am glad to sidestep the whole Unity/ Gnome3 debacle) but it does speak to the advantages of working in the FOSS environment. Thanks to everyone who works on the software I use. I may abandon Ubuntu at some point but I will be sticking with Linux for good. Jonathan Herz www.herzmusicbox.com On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 07:24 +0300, Ahmet Öztürk wrote: > > > I prefer to pay in real money > >and not by time spent to make programs work. > > This is your decision but do not forget that freedom comes at a price. It can > be paid by actively coding (whole apps or just patches), or by investing some > time for making things work, or many other ways. You may choose not to pay > this price or think that you cannot afford it. But please, oh please refrain > from blaming developers for it. Developers work to the best of their > abilities without usually being paid at all and when their efforts fall short > in some fronts against some major companies' products, they are the ones to > pay yet another price by answering endless unfair accusations of the > "community". > > Ahmet > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 2012-08-30, at 6:24 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > I'm stuck with the one operating system because it's marginally less > unpleasant to deal with and/or more fun to use than everything else, I guess. > > I'm just so used to all of this by now. I've used Linux longer than I used > any other operating system. > > I still love the idea of it, but I'm really tired of the terrible > implementation. > > It's nothing a few million dollars couldn't fix. Maybe I'll win the lottery. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- Michael, Just some thoughts and reflections. Let us assume you do win the lottery and lets also assume that the acquired riches have not spoiled you completely and that you are still interested in using computers. What operating system would you use? Did I just catch you thinking ?? Yes, I did. You were thinking what would I use the computer for ? In todays economic climate you don't have to win a lottery to approach the choice of operating system differently. It should still come down to the same question: For what purpose do I use my computer ? In the course of this discussion a lot of worn out phrases were used which, when closely examined , play only lip service to old ideas. I always get tickled pink when "freedom" enters the discussion. Freedom of choice, freedom from the oppression by big companies, freedom from paying, freedom to modify, etc,etc… There is no such thing as freedom as we like to have it. We have freedom to drive through a red light , but ……. I wonder how few Linux users are aware of the restrictions imposed on the use of open source soft ware. Legal restrictions as well as moral restrictions. Then there is the ever occurring bragging of the "long uptime". If you use your computer for simple re- occurring tasks and nothing else, it does not matter what operating system or what distro you use, you will experience a long up time. Computers are tools, and good craftsmen choose the best tools to do the job. Only amateurs try to get by with inferior tools and spend unreasonable time to keep them sharp and working. John -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 30 Aug 2012, at 09:13, Chris Cannam wrote: > On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown > wrote: >> It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. > > There's just no poetry in you. Ok, this is your fault. http://masticate.com/2012/08/30/ode-to-a-preemptive-multitasking-kernel/ R -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 08/29/2012 08:06 PM, jimmy wrote: > Rosegarden, Lilypond probably can't be compare to the well polished > professional apps out there. The hell of it is that I was at a point a few years ago when I was more than willing to shell out some cash for Finale or Sibelius or something, something professional, something real. I did some experiments with Rosegarden vs. Everything Else, including MusE Score and a few other random things. What sucks is that Rosegarden won hands down for taking some random MIDI file and generating something approaching usable notation from it. Hands down. None of the rest of them could remotely compare, and they all made a complete ruin of my test. If it hadn't been for that, I'd have been free of this thing years ago. Unfortunately, that's something I actually do (or did, when I still had free time for music) with considerable frequency, and something Rosegarden does particularly well. It sucks. Continuing to slog it out with this thing really isn't all that pointless, it turns out. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 08/29/2012 05:14 PM, Chris Cannam wrote: > I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so much > to do with temperament and perspective. Indeed. Rosegarden is a perfect example. If I could go spend, say, $500 once for something that did everything Rosegarden wants to do, and behaved in a pretty similar way all around, then I probably would have parted with that cash years ago. The problem is you can spend a lot more than $500 for two or three different applications that don't even communicate with each other, don't share data amongst themselves, etc. Not only do you not get the Rosegarden that works that you pay for, you don't pay for it once. Oh no no. I was still using a version of Cakewalk that only understood 8.3 filenames all the way to 2001. I paid for it once in 1993 or something, and I was damn well going to keep using it forever. That's the great thing about FOSS. Free updates for life. You don't pay once, you don't pay ever, and the updates just keep flowing. The crappy thing about FOSS is that that old version from 10 years ago that worked perfectly will no longer compile on a modern system. Just look at all the hell we went through keeping Rosegarden alive through the Qt 4 nightmare. This means that whether you do it today or next month or a couple of years from now, sooner or later you're going to have to upgrade your entire system from top to bottom. When you do, you may break half the world. Or at least break the most important application you use every day. When that happens, there's just no good answer. Can I pay money for a KMail that actually works, and doesn't break the continuity of 11 years of the same ~/Mail folder? Apparently not. Whether I pay money or not, I'm still just shit out of luck on that front. Thanks, KMail developers, for completely destroying an application I've been using at least a dozen times a day for 11 years. Even though I'm a developer and I well understand how hard this whole game is, I'm more than half tempted to go create a KDE bugs account for the sole purpose of extending them a big fuck you. It wouldn't be productive at all, or fair, but it might be cathartic. Bitter? Not me. No, never. We'll see how Thunderbird fares. I have deep concerns that this message is going to come out in HTML. If so, I apologize. I'll figure it out in due course. It looks like this is my KMail replacement, and it's a huge improvement so far, because I can actually click on a message and read it any time I want. Plus, it's not webmail. I detest webmail. /rant -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 30/08/12 12:24, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:14:30 PM Chris Cannam wrote: > > > It's nothing a few million dollars couldn't fix. Maybe I'll win the lottery. In that case do save a few bucks for Rosegarden as well :D -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:14:30 PM Chris Cannam wrote: > I think the root of Michael's problem is that he feels stuck with this > one operating system -- whether for financial reasons or because of a > gloomy expectation that nothing else is going to work for him either. > So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to > relish the good things about it. I'm stuck with the one operating system because it's marginally less unpleasant to deal with and/or more fun to use than everything else, I guess. I'm just so used to all of this by now. I've used Linux longer than I used any other operating system. I still love the idea of it, but I'm really tired of the terrible implementation. It's nothing a few million dollars couldn't fix. Maybe I'll win the lottery. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 08/29/2012 11:14 AM, Chris Cannam wrote: > On 29 August 2012 14:48, Richard > Bown wrote: >> On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John wrote: [...] >>> I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the >>> accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to >>> work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. >> >> Well said, sir. > > I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so > much to do with temperament and perspective. > > For instance, I'm sure that (of historical Rosegarden developers) > you and Guillaume would agree that your lives have been more > pleasant since you stopped having to apply the principle that "it has > to be beaten into shape in order to work in Linux" and switched to > other platforms in which you get things done more readily. Revisiting > other operating systems in the light of your experience with Linux, > you find one of them more satisfying and switch -- contentedly, I > assume. > > On the other hand I've had similar experience of other platforms and > found that, in comparison, Linux is the one I most enjoy using, for > many largely subjective reasons. So the same experience has made me > more content as well, but in a different way. > > As another example -- John wrote, likely accurately, > >> A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently >> discovered new distro [...] The next update will bring them back to >> reality. FWIW, I've been running Debian Sid on several machines for many years. I've only had two dist-upgrades produce failures that required restoring a system image. (And one of those dist-upgrade failures happened because I was mixing Sid with Experimental.) So if I can do all my productive work using Sid, via updating apps when I need a new feature or bug fix in one of my production apps, then it's not hard. FWIW, long before I switch to Sid, I tried to dist-upgrade an Ubuntu installation once. It completely hosed the system. That was on a throwaway box, so I didn't have a system image to restore. I still think dist-upgrading an Ubuntu is a risky proposition. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 08/29/2012 09:13 PM, Chris Cannam wrote: > On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown > wrote: >> It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. > > There's just no poetry in you. Clearly he needs to read the award-winning book, "The Soul of a New Machine." -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown wrote: > It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. There's just no poetry in you. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
