[sage-devel] gphone

2008-09-28 Thread Chris Chiasson
Does anyone think it would be possible to run sage on the T-Mobile G1? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Seach

2008-04-12 Thread Chris Chiasson
Here are the sites searched by the original sage search: trac.sagemath.org http://groups.google.com/group/sage-announce/* http://groups.google.com/group/sage-newbie/* https://sage.math.washington.edu/* https://sage.math.washington.edu:8102/* sage.math.washington.edu sagemath.org sagenb.com

[sage-devel] Re: should bool(x 0) be False or an exception?

2008-04-12 Thread Chris Chiasson
+1 for Carl's proposal with the addition that it should mention the unevaluated if functionality if/when it becomes available in sage (heck, maybe it should just point to the relevant threads or trac tickets in the interim...) On Apr 12, 7:33 pm, Carl Witty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 12,

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: use zip instead of 7zip for distributing the sage binary

2008-04-10 Thread Chris Chiasson
+1 for firefox website architecture style On Apr 10, 12:08 pm, Harald Schilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 4:40 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right thing to do is to make Sage easier to install. Yes, of course, I wanted to point out where the problem is and how it

[sage-devel] Re: should bool(x 0) be False or an exception?

2008-04-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
Since x=0 returns unevaluated, the problem seems like it is with the if statement, which is turning maybe into false. In Mathematica, the if statement would return unevaluated (for symbolic input into g). On Apr 9, 9:18 pm, Carl Witty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to reopen discussion of

[sage-devel] Re: Google funds Sage

2008-04-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
Perhaps one day I will learn to spell congratulations. On Apr 8, 11:58 am, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is really positive and impressive, on both the parts of Google Sage (and the people behind them). Congratualtions. On Apr 8, 8:05 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

[sage-devel] notebook.setup() and domains

2008-04-06 Thread Chris Chiasson
It seems that supplying a server different than the hostname to allow remote connections causes a backtrace in the notebook.setup() routine. My hostname file wasn't setup, so the choice was between localhost (for local connections) and localhost.localdomain (for remote connections). I supplied

[sage-devel] Re: A question of method...

2008-03-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
a guess: sage answer = you write documentation to do this and then submit it to sage alternative: if the documentation already exists, you could find it via the search functionality linked from the main page On Mar 9, 5:05 pm, Philippe Saade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to bother with such

[sage-devel] Re: some sage download numbers; estimating the number of Sage users

2008-03-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
My guess is that the 2 million users estimate is inflated by students who do not really learn these systems. When I was in undergraduate school, most people barely scratched the surface of Mathematica. On Mar 9, 11:38 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:31 AM,

[sage-devel] Re: some sage download numbers; estimating the number of Sage users

2008-03-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
I like to compare the Sage's Google Groups activity to Mathematica's. Recently there was a big jump in MMA's, but Sage was kicking butt for a while there. On Mar 9, 11:38 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:31 AM, mhampton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree;

[sage-devel] Re: some sage download numbers; estimating the number of Sage users

2008-03-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
the full traffic history of the sage cse: http://chris.chiasson.googlepages.com/2008-03-09SAGESearchEngineStats4074T.png 4074 is the total number of queries in the life of the custom search engine On Mar 9, 5:56 pm, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like to compare the Sage's Google

[sage-devel] Re: some sage download numbers; estimating the number of Sage users

2008-03-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
One other thing that I think is relevant in a situation like this: software like Mathematica will have a major economic damping factor applied to its growth, so that after it reaches a large number of users, it will effectively saturate its market (since others can't pay for it) sage will be

[sage-devel] Re: some sage download numbers; estimating the number of Sage users

2008-03-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
I forgot to mention, the vertical axis is the number of queries per day. I think the spike is from when sage was featured on slashdot. On Mar 9, 6:09 pm, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the full traffic history of the sage cse: http://chris.chiasson.googlepages.com/2008-03

[sage-devel] Re: Open source math on Slashdot

2007-11-18 Thread Chris Chiasson
I just noticed this as well. This is good because of /.'s large programmer audience. On Nov 18, 11:37 am, Mike Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I just noticed that there is an article on the front page of slashdot about William and David's AMS opinion piece

[sage-devel] Re: chroot is not a security tool

2007-10-07 Thread Chris Chiasson
What about a virtualized system for each user? On Oct 6, 3:43 pm, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de wrote: On Oct 6, 9:27 pm, Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I helps a little, but getting from non-privileged shell to root shell provided you have compilers isn't very hard. Hello

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.8.6

2007-10-06 Thread Chris Chiasson
The download directory on the website says 2.8.5 instead of 2.8.6. I'm confused. :-[ On Oct 6, 2:33 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Sage-2.8.6 (http://sagemath.org) has been released! Many people including (but not limited to) Nils Bruin, Yi Qiang, Craig Citro, Joel

[sage-devel] Re: Mathematica and Free Software in Mexico

2007-09-28 Thread Chris Chiasson
There should be a warning on this article. I was drinking milk when I read supported by the megalomania of Stephen Wolfram and I almost snorted it out of my nose. On Sep 28, 11:35 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If you read Spanish, you might enjoy reading this aritlce that was

[sage-devel] Re: making new infix operators

2007-09-27 Thread Chris Chiasson
that isn't processed by MakeExpression. On Sep 27, 6:57 am, Jason Grout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Chiasson wrote: It might be worth pointing out that adding new syntax in Mathematica is (usually) done by assignments to the function that transforms general two dimensional input

[sage-devel] Re: making new infix operators

2007-09-26 Thread Chris Chiasson
It might be worth pointing out that adding new syntax in Mathematica is (usually) done by assignments to the function that transforms general two dimensional input into source code. That isn't really the same thing as adding a new operator to the language itself. On Sep 26, 2:07 pm, Jason Grout

[sage-devel] Re: Some thought on trac and the Sage development process - feedback wanted

2007-09-23 Thread Chris Chiasson
since you asked for reactions: * every bug fixed should result in a doctest: Example Zombie det() problem with LinBox, considered fixed twice, but reopened in both cases. ^^^ this should be first (even though this is an unordered list) * tickets are kind of like homicides: They either get

[sage-devel] step by step differentiation

2007-09-22 Thread Chris Chiasson
http://documents.wolfram.com/v5/Demos/Notebooks/Step-by-StepDifferentiation.html just wanted to write this here for future reference (i saw this mentioned on mathgroup today) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com

[sage-devel] Re: Calculus

2007-09-18 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Sep 17, 10:55 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, if anybody out there thinks adding the above to the preparser would make you positively cringe in disgust, please speak up! (It doesn't mean we won't add it anyways...) If you ask me, my opinion would be not to change it. If

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Calculus

2007-09-18 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Sep 18, 2:10 pm, Mike Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about providing a sum function that would behave like, say, the integrate function. It could detect the argument types so if you passed it a list, it'd behave the same as the builtin sum function. sage: integrate(x, x, 0, 10) 50

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive cells, GUIs, javascript, ...

2007-09-16 Thread Chris Chiasson
:50 pm, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... wait until you actually start pushing Mathematica, it gets sluggish on you, produces wrong results and/or crashes, and you receive apathy and blame dodging instead of tech support and bug fixing. On Sep 14, 3:31 pm, Hamptonio [EMAIL PROTECTED

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive cells, GUIs, javascript, ...

2007-09-14 Thread Chris Chiasson
... wait until you actually start pushing Mathematica, it gets sluggish on you, produces wrong results and/or crashes, and you receive apathy and blame dodging instead of tech support and bug fixing. On Sep 14, 3:31 pm, Hamptonio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I started using Mathematica 6

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive cells, GUIs, javascript, ...

2007-09-14 Thread Chris Chiasson
what you mean there as well. But I am committed to using and improving sage over the long haul, don't get me wrong. I think the superiority of the development model will win on most fronts eventually. Cheers, Marshall On Sep 14, 5:50 pm, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

[sage-devel] Re: calculus in SAGE/SymPy

2007-09-13 Thread Chris Chiasson
) On Sep 13, 12:48 am, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, sometimes Mathematica makes assumptions in order to return useful results that are sometimes wrong and then people complain about it on the mailing list. It is probably much easier to ask the user to declare

[sage-devel] Re: calculus in SAGE/SymPy

2007-09-12 Thread Chris Chiasson
On the other hand, sometimes Mathematica makes assumptions in order to return useful results that are sometimes wrong and then people complain about it on the mailing list. It is probably much easier to ask the user to declare something as real than it is to ask the user to figure out that the

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: sage logo page?

2007-09-06 Thread Chris Chiasson
method of selection? http://logo-contest.gnupg.org/results.html http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html On Sep 6, 12:07 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that we should have an iconic logo to go next to the word SAGE, and this is my first attempt at making one. Comments? The SVG

[sage-devel] Re: sage custom search engine

2007-08-30 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 9, 2:54 am, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I officially donate the contents ofhttp://test.chris.chiasson.name/sage/ to the SAGEproject. :-) http://test.chris.chiasson.name/sage/ http://test.chris.chiasson.name/sage-search-engine.zip ^^^ this has the required copyrights

[sage-devel] Re: visual Equation editor

2007-08-27 Thread Chris Chiasson
there are good discussions about creating a two dimensional math input system in the old w3c mailing list archives for (what became) mathml http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-math-erb/ On Aug 27, 12:48 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/25/07, Jurgis Pralgauskis [EMAIL

[sage-devel] Re: slides for a SAGE talk

2007-08-17 Thread Chris Chiasson
Missing verb: Funding for work on SAGE minimal and we need much more funding Also, Mathematica 6.1 isn't out yet. 6.0.1 is, though. (check $Version and $ReleaseNumber (ReleaseNumber gives the third digit)) Perhaps you meant 5.1? On Aug 17, 10:20 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New

[sage-devel] Re: slides for a SAGE talk

2007-08-17 Thread Chris Chiasson
Usually about 30 people get patches accepting into SAGE every month s/accepting/accepted On Aug 17, 10:20 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New version here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/lj/talk/talk.pdfhttp://sage.math.washington.edu/lj/talk/demo.txt On 8/17/07, David Joyner

[sage-devel] Re: Getting Geometry in SAGE

2007-08-17 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 10, 6:47 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wykobi has no documentation, is very new (version 0.0.03), and I'm pretty sure the author(s) are totally confused about what the GPL is. The claim to make Wykobi available under the GPL but only for non-commercial use -- which

[sage-devel] Re: Getting Geometry in SAGE

2007-08-14 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 14, 11:37 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/14/07, John Cremona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever the fact of the case, I find the tone of this email offensive. I'm sure I am not the only one. I think an apology is called for. I'm very sorry for not carefully

[sage-devel] Re: side-by-side comparisons

2007-08-13 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 11, 11:46 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ It would be great if people who are fairly knowledgeable about both SAGE and any of the above systems could add some content. snip/ Hint taken. I'll wait until I have expertise in the same areas of SAGE that I have in

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE wikis

2007-08-12 Thread Chris Chiasson
I added this and the bug tracker to the search engine. Sadly, it won't let me add something like http://www.sagemath.org:*/* If people forgot the URL: http://test.chris.chiasson.name/sage/sage-search-engine.html (plugin) or http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=002411183662849495023:ymym1qazpm4

[sage-devel] Re: side-by-side comparisons

2007-08-11 Thread Chris Chiasson
If you want to designate a wiki page or something, I will be glad to write out the deficiencies of Mathematica as I see them... On Aug 11, 1:18 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Josh Kantor just pointed this out to me:

[sage-devel] Re: bugs, bugs and bugs

2007-08-10 Thread Chris Chiasson
The only thing I would add is that it might be prudent to automatically add the test cases that trigger bugs to the regression/ unit testing system. That way, SAGE will prevent regressions going forward. Mathematica has problems where code breaks over and over again as things are changed. On Aug

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
Strangely, Google Groups converted my em dash into a regular dash. The em dash character can be easily found elsewhere, though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
, sometimes, and it could be helpful. Paul (*) This is backed up: for a while I was the first hit when searching for chocolate mousse (without quotes) ! Unfortunately I have come down to 10th since moving to Oxford. :) On Aug 8, 9:14 am, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is kinda off

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE talk at CECM

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Chiasson
What you should have told them was that SAGE is going to eat their lunch, then spun on your heels, and walked out. Just kidding. On Aug 9, 2:41 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I substantially updated the 1-hour SAGE colloquium-style talk I posted earlier today (thanks for

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
This is kinda off the wall: Mathematica, Maple, and Matlab don't have a lot of competition for their keywords on Google, Yahoo, or MSN. By offering a **very low bid** on each of the names, you could probably put a message about the SAGE open source project on each of their names. In addition,

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
of more quickly growing the community. Perhaps it would make more sense to advertise on terms such as AMS or python or whatever else people who would make good candidate programmers search for. On Aug 8, 3:14 am, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is kinda off the wall: Mathematica, Maple

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
- right now, there is a huge hype surrounding AJAX, Web 2.0, user created content and such. SAGE fits in there because of the SAGE notebook which is a good example of AJAX actually being useful. Use the hype, let the AJAX crazy dotcom world know about it: techcrunch.com, mashable.com,

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 8, 3:59 am, Tim Lahey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I presented software I wrote to symbolically derive mass and stiffness matrices from first principles for finite element analysis at Maple's user conference in 2005. That's cool. I wrote similar stuff in Mathematica when I had to take

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 8, 12:03 pm, Ted Kosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might even be possible to actually use Google analytics to track global Sage notebook usage. If this is implemented, could this please be restricted to sagemath.org? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
I have been resisting a mention of this, but I finally gave in: Do you think the second author is a bit awkward, especially right after mentioning a bunch of mathematical software? It is possible that readers could become confused. Ways to deal with this: 1. Use Your second author... or One of

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
Other minor English usage suggestions: (repairs: em dash, em dash spacing, and run-on sentence) various mathematical facts - no code is given, and the programs are proprietary software some of which only run on hardware many years out of date. - various mathematical facts-no code is given.

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-07 Thread Chris Chiasson
Pick an organization or department that uses Mathematica or Maple or MATLAB. Find out what they use it for. Put the same capabilities into SAGE. Give SAGE to them, possibly with a turnkey demonstration. Rinse and repeat?? On Aug 7, 5:22 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sage-Devel,

[sage-devel] sage custom search engine

2007-08-06 Thread Chris Chiasson
http://test.chris.chiasson.name/sage/sage-search-engine.html Feedback is welcome. Should I cross post this to sage-forum? If you want, I will donate the contents of this directory to the SAGE project: http://test.chris.chiasson.name/sage/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

[sage-devel] numpad enter for evaluation (like mathematica)

2007-08-06 Thread Chris Chiasson
Does anyone else think it's a good idea? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at

[sage-devel] Re: numpad enter for evaluation (like mathematica)

2007-08-06 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 6, 2:37 pm, Martin Albrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Not every computer (e.g. a notebook) does have such a key. I really like Shift-Enter btw. It would be in addition to the regular shift+enter. I think many people here are of the you can take my shift+enter when you pry it from

[sage-devel] Re: ams notices opinion column

2007-08-05 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 4, 8:36 pm, Fernando Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a minor comment... snip/ Philosophy--why do it? WaveLab implements the concept of reproducible research. snip/ If I had a +1 to give to one of the suggestions, this would be the one that I gave it to. Also, it would perhaps be

[sage-devel] Re: ams notices opinion column

2007-08-04 Thread Chris Chiasson
what were the criteria? On Aug 4, 3:48 pm, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: William Stein and I have written a drafthttp://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wdj/research/oscas-ams-notices4.pdf which seems suitable (based on suggestions and criteria given to us by the editor Andy

[sage-devel] Re: ams notices opinion column

2007-08-04 Thread Chris Chiasson
of about 800 On 8/4/07, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what were the criteria? On Aug 4, 3:48 pm, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: William Stein and I have written a drafthttp://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wdj/research/oscas-ams-notices4.pdf which seems

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Jul 25, 1:29 pm, Michael Abshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SAGE already uses a MoinMoin Wiki installation. So I should amend my comment by asking: Why not place the documentation in a MoinMoinWiki? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
o yea, if you do go this route, don't forget about: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID On Jul 25, 1:00 pm, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has to be evil and mention this: MediaWiki If you are willing to sacrifice absolute editorial control, the wiki

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
It should be qualified that the user base for the site is small because Mathematica already has a fair amount (actually, it is a massive amount, but it isn't nearly enough for my taste) of documentation. On Jul 25, 1:16 pm, Alec Mihailovs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MediaWiki There is already

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
Is conversion to LaTeX a requirement or merely a nice-to-have? On Jul 25, 1:16 pm, Timothy Clemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is already available by creating Wiki-books. Wiki-books can not be easily converted to LaTeX documents.http://en.wikibooks.org On 7/25/07, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL